Congo https://scienceblogs.com/ en Why I ate a Pangolin https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2017/04/28/why-i-ate-a-pangolin <span>Why I ate a Pangolin</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The Lese people practice swidden horticulture in the Ituri Forest, Congo (formerly Zaire). Living in the same area are the Efe people, sometimes known as Pygmies (but that may be an inappropriate term). The Efe and Lese share a culture, in a sense, but are distinct entities within that culture, as distinct as any people living integrated by side by side ever are. The Efe are hunter-gatherers, but the gathering of wild food part of that is largely supplanted by a traditional system of tacit exchange between Efe women and Lese farmers, whereby the Efe provide labor and the farmers provide food. The Efe men also work on the farms sometimes, but their contribution to the family’s diet is more typically from foraged goods, including plants but mostly animals, and during a particular season of the year, the products of honey bee nests. </p> <p>For several years, in the 1980s and early 90s, I lived in Zaire (now Congo) for several months out of each year (generally between May and January, roughly), and for much of that time I was in the Ituri with the Lese and Efe. During that time, I spent much of the time in the forest with the Efe (very few of the researches on that long term multidisciplinary project did that -- most spent their time with the Lese for various reasons). </p> <p>To go from our study site to the grocery store (which was not really a grocery store because they did not exist in that part of Zaire, but a city with markets) was about a week’s trip or more. Only a few days of that was driving, the rest fixing the broken truck, doing the shopping, etc. So, one did this infrequently. There was no local market during my time there, though one opened up 10 clicks away for a while, at which one might or might not be able to buy a chicken or a yam, if you showed up early.</p> <p>I (and this pertains to most of my colleagues as well, only a few of us would be at the site at a time) would buy sacks of rice and beans and other long term food items in the city, and carefully curate them at the base camp, a small village constructed of wattle and daub leaf-roofed huts and outhouses. When I went to the forest just to live with or observe the Efe, I would bring the exact amount of food I would need to survive if all I did was feed myself. This way my presence would not affect the Efe’s food budget. But, this is a sharing culture and it would have been very bad for me to just eat that food. I feely shared my food with my fellow camp members, and they shared their food, and my food was almost exactly the same as their local food (rice was grown there) except I would have beans and they are not local. Otherwise, the same. </p> <p>This meant that I ate what they ate. </p> <p>Other times, I would hire Efe and maybe one Lese to go with me to the forest to carry out research. I’d be careful to hire them for limited amounts of time to not disrupt their lives too much, but there was very little difference between them working for me and, say, getting honey during honey season. I would only ask them to work with me for a few hours a day and they would otherwise forage. On these trips, I brought more food, for them, because our geographic location and the work we were doing interfered with their normal food getting activities, so I made up for that. But still, during these times we ate plenty of forest foods.</p> <p>So, what do the Efe (and their Lese compatriot) eat?</p> <p>Locally, the plant diet is insufficient nutritionally, and often, children are undernourished. There is a hunger season during which the plants from the forest and gardens are rare or absent at the same time, and this is often the death season. No one dies form starving, really (though that apparently can happen) but they have another dangerous disease, and the lack of food may put an ill individual over the top. During one bad hungers season, a small family attempted mass suicide, and mostly succeeded. </p> <p>Locally, there is no beef, or as is the case a couple of hundred clicks away in most directions, commercially harvested fish. They have goats but the are ceremonial and seem to be never eaten. The Lese have chickens, a few, and they are eaten now and then. The wild animal foods they eat are incredibly important. Without that, they would be in very bad shape. </p> <p>The most common animals they eat, as in day to day and mundane, are a form of antelope called the Blue Duiker, and monkeys, usually Mangabeys. During a certain season they eat a fair umber of another animal, like but not exactly a duiker, called a water Cheverotain. But since food supply is so unpredictable, they are always on the lookout, and they eat everything. A song bird or bat that flies too close may be batted down with a machete, a Honey Badger that stumbles up on a group of resting Efe may be chased own, an Elephant Shrew that happens on a camp will be dispatched by an archer and cooked up. The only time I ever saw the Efe not go after an animal that happened to show up is when a small herd of elephants came along, and the Efe made a lot of noise to chase them off, while at the same time making plans to hide in the nearby hide-from-the-elephant trees (yes, they have them.) And snakes. Something odd going on there with snakes (see below). </p> <p>One of the focal points of my research was to look at how animals reacted to the Efe’s presence, and it is striking. Since the Efe will kill and eat almost anything they encounter, most of the animals are very careful to avoid the Efe, and even the Efe’s habitually used trails. </p> <p>There is a certain amount of elephant hunting. Pygmies, generally, are the African elephant hunters, and apparently, have been so for a very long time. The importance of elephant is very under-appreciated by most experts. The data show that most of the food the Efe eat is plant food, and animal food makes up a percentage of their diet typical for tropical or subtropical African hunter gatherers. But those data never include elephant. I’ve estimated that the total amount of elephant meat they eat over medium periods of time, left to their own, is about the same as all the other meat combined. This happens because when someone does kill an elephant (a rare event compared to the daily killing of a duiker or other more common mammal), everyone from everywhere shows up and gorges on that meat for a few weeks. </p> <p>So, even though most researchers would classify elephant as uncommon in their diet and therefor not a major contributor to the diet, they’ve simply got that wrong. It is a big deal. </p> <p>Beyond that, the range of animals is huge, because the number of species native to the area is huge. Oddly, the Efe I was with (and these were more than one distinct group) didn’t seem to eat snakes, tough I know that others do. These Efe also often have a particular species of snake as their totem animal, and you don’t eat your totem animal. So, maybe that is the reason. </p> <p>Because Efe live the life they live, one without the privilege of access to unlimited supplies of cattle flesh, swine meat, domestic birds, and commercially caught or raised fish, they have a wide dietary niche. Because they live in a remote part of the African rain forest, this list includes a lot of animals many may have never even heard of, or that most regard as exotic, though they are very common there. They live a life where the plant foods often fail them, and collectively do not provide a sufficiently nutritious diet, so they do not have the privilege of eschewing meat, and in fact, perhaps with the knowledge that meat is the real hunger-killer in their environment, they prefer to spend as much time as they can chewing meat. </p> <p>And I spent a lot of time sharing their culture and ecology with them, and in so doing, had the privilege of getting much closer to truly experiencing another culture than most ever get. Close enough, in fact, to know that I wasn’t even close, and knowing that is a privilege the dilettante missionary or subscriber to National Geo can not have. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Fri, 04/28/2017 - 03:17</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/africa" hreflang="en">Africa</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/anthropology" hreflang="en">Anthropology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/congo" hreflang="en">Congo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/efe-ethnoarchaeology" hreflang="en">Efe Ethnoarchaeology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/african-ethnography" hreflang="en">African Ethnography</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/efe-foragers" hreflang="en">Efe Foragers</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hunter-gatherers" hreflang="en">Hunter-gatherers</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/zaire" hreflang="en">Zaire</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/anthropology" hreflang="en">Anthropology</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/life-sciences" hreflang="en">Life Sciences</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1481439" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1493368483"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Interesting post!</p> <p>OT, but I'm curious about the dilemma of bushmeat. Will this be a sustainable practice in that region long term?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1481439&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZyLuqct_hlDdbtHDOCSWpAwncIMmhTTGoc6ofkbBLs4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Obstreperous Applesauce">Obstreperous A… (not verified)</span> on 28 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1481439">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1481440" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1493370318"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Good question, but your question is actually a great example of there not being enough information out there to even have the conversation. Thus this post, by the way, as I apparently shocked some people into a coma-like state (which includes a reading aphasia) when I mentioned "eat" and "pangolin" in the same sentence.</p> <p>Research in the area I worked has shown that all of the hunting is sustainable in that particular cultural and environmental context. It has, after all, been going on for centuries in some areas, and before that, probably thousands of years at a somewhat accelerated rate. (That is not to say that humans didn't make some animal or another go extinct thousands of years ago here, but we have no information on that one way or another.) The key is, the population density is low and there is no link to an outside market.</p> <p>Putting this another way, the above description, in my blog post, is not about and has nothing to do with the bushmeat market.</p> <p>The bushmeat market happens when points of demand, such as logging or mining camps, or even cities, come geographically close to areas like this, or the market extends for some reason. That is clearly not sustainable.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1481440&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jq3A2feMGjLVM-SxCEirdgAvfiO3iG2alfx86cd9neM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 28 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1481440">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1481441" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1493371400"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ah. That helps fill in some of the gaps.</p> <p>(I did get that the article wasn't about bushmeat, though. It's just that my mind periodically goes on walkabout, and I started wondering about imminent commercial encroachment.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1481441&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ehOb97qffDo_nfJ1c3rKNo4LgXfB8czp6bUg8DVhEIE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Obstreperous Applesauce">Obstreperous A… (not verified)</span> on 28 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1481441">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1481442" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1493372124"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>... and I see that my definition of bushmeat was probably too broad.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1481442&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="enhW1Cp2cp2jgNceZCyJKvpCU2GVvCEGrM-8GH-2T4E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="" content="Obstreperous Applesuce">Obstreperous A… (not verified)</span> on 28 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1481442">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1481443" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1493373047"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Or, more likely, the definition of bushmeat generally is too broad.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1481443&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vGN-321hHRvA7jnJaPkBP-xRxY2ZsslAkgDROq2SjSk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 28 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1481443">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1481444" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1493378581"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What about earthworms? Is that part of the diet? If so, how are they prepared for eating?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1481444&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UE_yQM922m-BKt2QKaaqjCS8Ny6D1-Klz1krGVmghFI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">David Whitlock (not verified)</span> on 28 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1481444">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1481445" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1493383807"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Earthworms are not part of their diet. In fact, they are very rare in the Ituri. Not much proper soil. </p> <p>(Lots of dirt, the dirt can go down meters, but it is actually weathered in situ granitic rock.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1481445&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mztR2YuZ44cMyIU1HeKptp-Hd69fjOmKgro9sv1Mdg8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 28 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1481445">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1481446" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1493390338"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ugh. Skimmed the post, fifth and sixth paragraph led me to you ate an Efe and maybe one Lese.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1481446&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jXoNFbjouZZpRvyOEoxfrGU5CgccncIiZhkqltPWlmI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MikeN (not verified)</span> on 28 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1481446">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1481447" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1493394951"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>All right, if no one else will ask, I will. What does pangolin taste like?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1481447&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9jLFgG633kehYJ-18NoX2VpumzfATTcgu2rY13xGiuU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tyvor Winn (not verified)</span> on 28 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1481447">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1481448" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1493405406"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Tyvor, pangolin is different from most anything else I've eaten. Nothing to go crazy over, but not bad. Of the regularly eaten animals it has to be put nearest to pork, but not that much like pork. But, yes, a white meat. </p> <p>The other other white meat, with scales.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1481448&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1G-eV30mMZjJorIgTmUWEpuQZe5KbFAyB5msBuxkfa4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 28 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1481448">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2017/04/28/why-i-ate-a-pangolin%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:17:46 +0000 gregladen 34365 at https://scienceblogs.com Ebola: Have more knowledge, need vaccine more https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2016/09/19/ebola-have-more-knowledge-need-vaccine-more <span>Ebola: Have more knowledge, need vaccine more</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I just watched, at a the Twin Cities Science Film Festival, a film called <a href="https://vimeo.com/95094692">Nzara '76</a>, which is about the first known Ebola outbreak, the one that gave it its name, in southern Sudan. That's about 150 miles, as the Mvo-Mvo flies, north of my long term project area in the Ituri Forest, an impassable distance over an unforgiving terrain if you are a person, well within the migratory range of an Ebola carrying fruit bat. </p> <p>Back in the day, when Ebola would strike here and there, killing dozens, then disappearing back into the wild as quickly as it came, there was not much movement to get a vaccine. Then, one day, a fruit bat, carrying ebola, dropped some bat spit covered fruit bits to the ground, which were later picked up and mouthed by a toddler, who became patient zero in a pandemic that would ultimately kill over 11,000 people and sicken nearly 30,000. That would be a good argument to get a damn vaccine.</p> <p>But, one could argue that even though Ebola is known to have been around since the 1970s, and may have been around before that (entire villages falling to a deadly disease is known historically in the region, with no understanding of what the disease was), it only arose as an epidemic once, so really, what's the big deal? Next epidemic we'll attack much more efficiently and quickly, and only hundreds, if that, will die. </p> <p>Aside from the fact that the morbidity and mortality tolls in the tens of thousands should not inure us to the death of dozens or hundreds, we should also consider that the conditions that allowed this pandemic to occur arose only recently, so a pandemic is actually more likely in the near future than it was in the near past. Also, and this is from new research, now that Ebola has infected tens of thousands, it has a temporary reservoir in the post-infection population.</p> <p>Research that could not have been conducted before has now been conduced (and is ongoing) in the pandemic region. It is now understood that survivors can have ebola in their systems for long periods of time after infection, and that in some cases, they can pass this on. It can be passed on through both breast milk and semen. I assume it could be passed on through blood.</p> <p>It is simply NOT the case that thousands of post pandemic West Africans are restarting ebola epidemics wherever they go. Post pandemic transmission has been rare, and quickly managed. It is probably true that ebola will eventually leave all the post pandemic people. Humans are not really a reservoir, long term, for ebola. </p> <p>But, consider the fruit bats. The story I gave above about the start of the pandemic is almost certainly true, but at the same time, fruit bats in the region came up empty when tested for Ebola. There are a lot of reasons that would happen, beyond the scope of this post, but it serves as a model for a near future West Africa. Perhaps ebola will last a long time in some individuals. Perhaps previously infected individuals will become reinfected, but not get sick, and be carriers for a year, or six months. </p> <p>An ebola pandemic is not going to resurface easily, or form this source, in this population, because of post pandemic harboring. But, here and there, some people may get the disease, and if there is another outbreak somewhere else, we now know that the public health problems are even more complicated than previously thought. </p> <p>The obvious way to solve this problem is with a good vaccine that is widespread and regularly administered. </p> <p>The research I'm referring to hear was reported at a conference in Antwerp, Belgium, on September 12, and is briefly written up <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/ebola-virus-lingers-longer-than-scientists-thought-1.20585">here</a>, in Nature. </p> <p>A few highlights, and a caveat, from that work:</p> <blockquote><p>Researchers will soon publish the first confirmed report of a person without obvious Ebola symptoms infecting another person. A seemingly healthy mother in Guinea passed the virus to her nine-month-old daughter in breast milk, and the child died from Ebola-virus infection in August 2015...</p> <p>...some people who became infected during the recent outbreak escaped detection. Miles Carroll... tracked 80 people who had contact with Ebola patients in Guinea but did not themselves become noticeably ill. Yet 15–20% of these contacts developed immune responses capable of neutralizing Ebola viruses, suggesting that they had contracted mild infections that went undetected.</p> <p>[Researchers] traced a cluster of new Ebola cases to a man who transmitted the virus to a sexual partner 17 months after recovering from his infection...</p> <p>Researchers must show sensitivity in communicating such findings, says virologist Stephan Günther of the Bernhard Nocht Institute, and take care not to make life more difficult than it already is for Ebola survivors, who face discrimination and lingering health problems. “We have to be careful to stress that these are very, very rare events.”</p></blockquote> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Mon, 09/19/2016 - 15:04</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/africa" hreflang="en">Africa</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/congo" hreflang="en">Congo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola" hreflang="en">Ebola</a></div> </div> </div> <section> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2016/09/19/ebola-have-more-knowledge-need-vaccine-more%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:04:45 +0000 gregladen 34083 at https://scienceblogs.com On cannibalism and Jameson https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/02/17/on-cannibalism-and-jameson <span>On cannibalism and Jameson</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A recent twitter conversation prompted me to dig up some old posts on cannibalism, and maybe a few memories of my time in Central Africa.</p> <p>The twitter conversation concerned a story in which it is claimed that James Jameson, heir to the Jameson Irish whiskey empire, bought a slave girl (for the price of six handkerchiefs) in order to watch her be eviscerated and eaten by cannibals, and in particular, so that he could make some nice watercolor painting of the event. Apparently this is going around the internet.</p> <p>If this is true, which as I will argue in a moment is not actually the case, then there are two things we would draw from the story. First, there were, in the late 18th century, villages of cannibals in Africa. Second, Jameson was a total jerk. </p> <p>There are a few things you need to know before evaluating this story. First, it is true that almost all Americans and Europeans in the 18th and 19th century who had an interest in Africa knew with a high degree of certainty that African were, generally, cannibalistic, even if not all of them were fully fledged cannibals. This presumption, however, is untrue. It is simply something that people believed as part of the prevailing very racist attitude about Africa. This applied to other places as well. It was assumed that the natives around the world were cannibals, and we even see the use of the term "cannibal" being used here and there interchangeably with "native." </p> <p>The second thing you need to know is that nineteenth century traveler's accounts and other documents are notoriously inaccurate, and often designed for a purpose other than to convey the truth, such as self aggrandizement or to disparage rivals, or, of course, to further the racist trope or support colonialism.</p> <p>The third thing you need to know is that by the time Jameson got to the village in question, the mainly middle to later 19th century practice of slave trading was in full swing in the interior of Central Africa, mainly as part of a larger slave and ivory trade focuses on the Indian Ocean and probably North Africa. So, there were villages of slave traders, some of whom were really shady characters, and the village Jameson visited was almost certainly one of them. This was during the period of colonialism in the Congo when there was a full scale genocide starting out, orchestrated bv the King of Belgium and utilizing such notable players as the famous Henry Morton Stanley. So, if there were gruesome murders and even cannibalism, this would not have been normal for the local cultures. </p> <p>Here's the third thing you need to know. Even though it is very hard to find confirmed cases of cannibalism in the historic record for Central Africa, the idea of cannibalism is widespread. But you have to understand this in a cultural context. To help you understand this, I'm going to switch for a moment to the United States.</p> <p>In the US, we have serial killers. For every actual serial killer, there are probably a dozen stories about serial killers, some based on actual serial killers, some just made up books and movies. We seem to be very interested in serial killers. We teach our children to avoid strangers because some of them might be bad people, and the idea of a stranger being a serial killer (as opposed to, say, a rapist or something) is absolutely part of that concern. So, in the US we fear serial killers, amuse ourselves with stories of serial killers, and even teach our children to avoid them.</p> <p>So, does this mean that Americans are serial killers? In Africa, there are many many stories of cannibals, many traditional Africans fear cannibalism and think it is fairly common and consider this to be something to avoid and instruct children about. There are probably many more actual serial killers in the US than there are cannibals in Africa. Of course, some of the American serial killers have been cannibals, and that may be the case in Africa too. But the point is, these two things -- serial killing and cannibalism -- are sort of real but in fact very very rare, and are blown way out of proportion by the cultures in the two regions. </p> <p>Now, the fourth thing you need to know is this. The Jameson story is known from two places. One is an account written by someone who probably wanted to damage Jameson (they had a thing), later promoted by a major rival (HM Stanley himself). The other comes from Jameson's documents assembled and conveyed by his widow after his death. </p> <p>In the first story, the one written by the Jameson haters, Jameson asks to have a demonstration of cannibalism and offers six handkerchiefs, which sounds like a cheap price but that's only because you don't know the value of cloth in late 19th century Central Africa (they would have actually been fairly valuable) to buy a young girl, a slave, so she could be eviscerated, butchered, and eaten while he painted the process.</p> <p>In the second version of the story, from Jameson (indirectly), something like this did happen, but he did not knowingly pay for a slave (but there were handkerchiefs involved), a girl was killed and butchered (but there is no clear evidence she was eaten, I believe). It was not done at his request, he was aghast and horrified, and also, it all happened very quickly and given the situation he was powerless to stop it. </p> <p>More recent write-ups of this event seem to make the assumption that the more gruesome version of the story is real, and in those write-ups we see lame excuses for things like there has never been any evidence that any paintings were every produced or existed in any form. </p> <p>I know a guy who told me he was with the Zaire police when they were called to a village run by a cannibalistic chief. They found body parts everywhere and arrested the chief. He also told me that this people come from a location to the northeast of where he lived and were scattered to the four winds by a nuclear explosion. And he told me a lot of other things.</p> <p>When I was living near the Rwenzori, this happened. There were rebels up on the mountain at that time. They had been there for years. (Now, they are the government, but that is another story). One day the army went up there to harass them, as they did now and then. A villager, it is said, told the army where to find the rebels. Eventually the army left, and the rebels captured the villagers and ... </p> <p>... well, that part of the story almost certainly happened but the rest is in question ....</p> <p>... and then killed him and ate him in front of the other villagers, to teach them a lesson. The problem is, isn't any really good evidence that they killed anybody and even less evidence that anybody ate anybody. But throughout the region, people's fear of the rebels grew. The cannibalism story works. </p> <p>I could tell you many more stories like this. I, myself, am a cannibal according to some. (But, honest, I'm not.) People have searched for confirmed cases of cannibalism and found very few. The Jameson story is unbelievable for a number of reasons, but partly plausible given the context of a village of bad guy slave traders. But to assume that it was routine to have "cannibal villages" is incorrect. </p> <p>Cannibal is real. We see it here and there in the archaeology. But usually it involves eating your ancestors, maybe their ground up bones processed in a respectfully funerary rite. Most cases of "normal" (culturally accepted) cannibalism is probably of those who died on their own or were killed as part of warfare. Other cases are symbolic (like the Christian ritual of eating Jesus Christ and drinking his blood). And, as in discussed in one of the items linked to below, sometimes eating other people is done as a separate event form their death, like when human blood is consumed from an injured person. For medicinal purposes, of course. </p> <p>As noted, I've written about cannibalism and expanded on these themes in a few places. In <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/11/19/you-come-from-cannibals-2/">You come from Cannibals</a> I talk about cannibalism in Classic and European history. In <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/11/19/among-cannibals-2/">Among Cannibals</a> I talk about the Rwenzori incident in more detail, and talk about cannibalism in other contexts. In C<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/09/28/cannibal-native-indigenous/">annibal, Native, Indigenous</a>, I have a little fun with Google N-Gram Viewer. </p> <p>Enjoy. If that's what you want to call it!</p> <p>_____</p> <h3 id="otherpostsofinterest:">Other posts of interest:</h3> <ul><li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/09/29/how-to-get-rid-of-spiders-in-y/">How to get rid of spiders in your house</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/02/20/why-is-my-poop-green/">Why is your poop green?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/28/how-many-cells-are-there-in-th/">How many cells are there in the human body?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/08/16/harry-potter-goblet-of-fire-plot-hole-filled/">Is there really a plot hole in Harry Potter <em>Goblet of Fire?</em></a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/03/01/how-long-is-a-generation/">How long is a human generation?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/01/is-blood-ever-blue-science-tea-2/">Is blog ever really blue?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/29/how-to-not-get-caught-plagiari/">How to not get caught plagiarizing</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/02/29/the-origin-of-the-chicken/">The origin of the domestic chicken</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/08/25/the-three-necessary-and-suffic-2/">What are the three necessary and sufficient conditions of Natural Selection?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/05/22/how-can-i-get-rid-of-foot-fungus/">How do I get rid of foot fungus?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/05/14/should-you-drink-tap-water-or-bottled-water/">Which is better, Tap Water or Bottled Water?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/07/16/has-global-warming-stopped-2/">Has Global Warming stopped?</a></li> </ul><p>Also of interest: <a href="http://gregladen.com/blog/sungudogo/"><strong>In Search of Sungudogo:</strong> A novel of adventure and mystery</a>, set in the Congo. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Tue, 02/17/2015 - 06:44</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/africa" hreflang="en">Africa</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/congo" hreflang="en">Congo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cannibalism-0" hreflang="en">cannibalism</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462628" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424175142"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>To my understanding, no one has ever found people who proudly admit to non-ritualistic cannibalism. It's always a disparagement made about "those others".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462628&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0ylv-Xqa-FmbS8sNLG4SqAycqAV-wzedv0cjfDN6y58"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bill Gascoyne (not verified)</span> on 17 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462628">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462629" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424177122"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It seems like the normal course of things. Some people will run with stories like cannibalism and write them absurdly large, like the claims in this article. Others then come along (like this article) and try to deny, to the greatest extent possible, that any of this is true - with plenty of snide remarks about racist attitudes etc.</p> <p>There is no real question that, e.g. amongst the Pacific island cultures there was a widespread (not ubiquitous) practice of eating one's enemies. Heck, even in our lifetime (some of us), Micheal Rockefeller was almost certainly a victim of cannibalism, in PNG. </p> <p>That the cannibals may have done some "ritualistic" mumbo-jumbo as part of the process does not elevate the practice or mean the it somehow does not count.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462629&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2nRQsV8C6GzQVQXdHrfHhw19tedXzJiULkPPVFonQNw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">joe Citizen (not verified)</span> on 17 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462629">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1462630" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424177212"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The exception is those bad guys who make the claim to scare people. But that is not "a people" or a culture, as you point out.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462630&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="iTUso4UnEm17e6-PFURfOAGaPHxzwhp7UsuT1Ba-png"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 17 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462630">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462631" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424196524"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm with you Joe, there certainly seems to be a fashion to dismiss cannibalism as a fantasy, despite evidence of its widespread practice in New Zealand, New Guinea, Northern Queensland and on islands all over the Pacific.<br /> (I don't know anything about Afirca, but it seems unlikely that cannibalism was as unusual as current fashion dictates).</p> <p>Here is something from Wikipedia:<br /> "Indian POW, Lance Naik Hatam Ali (later a citizen of Pakistan), testified in New Guinea and stated:</p> <p>"... the Japanese started selecting prisoners and every day one prisoner was taken out and killed and eaten by the soldiers. I personally saw this happen and about 100 prisoners were eaten at this place by the Japanese. The remainder of us were taken to another spot 50 miles [80 km] away where 10 prisoners died of sickness. At this place, the Japanese again started selecting prisoners to eat. Those selected were taken to a hut where their flesh was cut from their bodies while they were alive and they were thrown into a ditch where they later died."[112]"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462631&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="f3mpjKiuUQwXvCp0sCzeYZcxDpKs3Smknv_gaAd5GqU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Craig Thomas (not verified)</span> on 17 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462631">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1462632" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424198566"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Joe and Craig; yes, eating enemies, as indicated in the post, has been done. Not at all widespread, virtually unknown in Africa, which is the context here. And yes, there is a certain amount of denialism of cannibalism. But then there is the counter reaction like yooz guys.</p> <p> Stories like Craig's Japan story are often found to have no basis. In this case, the individual given the account saw a perisoner taken away. Are we sure he saw them eaten? That is usually the pattern.</p> <p>Having said that, crazy Japanese soldiers fall into the category of socio/psychopathic behavior, again, as indicated above. Having said that, I'll have to look up that particular story because it sounds interesting.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462632&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5F7dz1Hlj-ULxI-5hawCuZMdAde_g_B2VAfel5ZD41k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 17 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462632">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462633" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424204857"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>One aspect of cannibalism not mentioned is the necessity of it in many of these circumstances. Jungle cultures in this region have depleted the larger animals which would supply the meat they need for their tribe's diet, and they are not bound by the taboos of the more "civilized" world. Hunting wild boar, or jungle birds can be arduous and frustrating. The amount of flesh on a human enemy can satisfy their need for meat, and is wasteful if the enemy is just buried. As recently as 2000, (the most recent I have first-hand knowledge) the Dayak tribes of Borneo still practiced cannibalism whenever there was a dispute between them. It is also possible that the Japanese cannibals were in need of cheap meat, and hadn't the "scruples" of their enemies, so killing and eating them was no big ethical deal, and easily satisfied their hunger.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462633&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1PY6zswk8SxouV4PWaP8LYsnXcN49-dlCaPi3MM-zTI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jonny M (not verified)</span> on 17 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462633">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462634" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424236773"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>In the mid 1990s I read a New Yorker article (a paper copy) claiming that the purpose of all those SW American cliff dwellings was to protect against cannibalism. The author sifted through old fires and bones, and it seemed like a solid case. I can't find that article, but there is this one:<br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/07/us/new-data-suggests-some-cannibalism-by-ancient-indians.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/07/us/new-data-suggests-some-cannibalism…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462634&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UwPy3lTJkoLml_B6d3jFO_UV8n0DUHL8UD89o6JUxoc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Donal (not verified)</span> on 18 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462634">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1462635" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424242806"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yes, the Anasazi is one of the now classic archaeological cases of cannibalism. </p> <p>Jonny, the problem with starting to eat your neighbors, though, is that you usually need them alive and not mad at you!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462635&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fapQvLkVC6_ZyerQEfF6h2j01XVUJ7zlInhAtVyJTSc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 18 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462635">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462636" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424354165"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The most widespread form of *actual*, socially acceptable cannibalism is probably consumption of the placenta. But of course in our culture that's considered so impossibly gross we scarcely even think of it, let alone realize that it's technically cannibalism.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462636&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Q-hehiW615F3qDlvujPDOi_IjzHDJ9yZKvG9IW5NKew"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Calli Arcale (not verified)</span> on 19 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462636">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1462637" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424354784"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It was a thing it the US for a while. </p> <p>Yes, the placenta is a part of the baby. It is the first body part you lose as a human.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462637&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4CT7wiOzoJ6O9padk1JDqLbY_Ub4K1zUlxc9L99LjYE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 19 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462637">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462638" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424397965"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I believed the placenta was more like a scab than a body part.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462638&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YndW5XggK7IatM2y_ZAdm6ZhC62M6YD1t72HX0mteh0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 19 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462638">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462639" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424442924"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I am disposed to view the six handkerchief story as apocryphal -- any Jameson worth his salt would have provided tasting notes on the irish whiskey's paired to the courses of the cannibal feast.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462639&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="07yTuhCibFKWHUlD_Kh4_DfyglOd4Gi8ZL0PPg0WtMg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Russell Seitz (not verified)</span> on 20 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462639">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462640" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424444203"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>On a purely fictional note - Greg, do you remember the song "Timothy" by the Buoys (I believe written by Rupert Holmes) - around 1970. How often is the implication of cannibalism the main point of a song?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462640&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rEieGE_rF02S0WwVynNUFQCDmf_K_V99DF5Adcloe-g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dean (not verified)</span> on 20 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462640">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462641" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424444450"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The placenta is FAR from being "like a scab"... </p> <p>The placenta is a cross between lung tissue (the gas exchange being with the mother's bloodstream, not the air) and small intestine lining (again, absorbing nutrients from the mother's bloodstream, not the chyme in the intestinal media) -- both functions are quite vital, obviously.</p> <p>A scab is excess connective tissue formed to close &amp; protect a wound, and is pretty much disorganized overgrowth -- which may or may not drop off later. That the placenta is also jettisoned doesn't make it like a scab, however. It's more like a body part, since it *is* a body part -- albeit one that is only sustained and provides its function during gestation.</p> <p>Another way to put it: I've yet to hear anyone describe baby teeth as "like a scab".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462641&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="U5LQt89o-AiIDZd4f_CEiJHEZE01W6ThYEdyMFfEXuc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brainstorms (not verified)</span> on 20 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462641">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462642" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424444675"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Okay, will someone please insert the de rigueur reference to the Donner Party (or the Uruguayan Rugby team, if you're in the Southern Hemisphere)...? We're already at comment #15, after all...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462642&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1h-fM7_8o9tTmkACRYQy40RH_6MxrWb7c_7rXzmWBQ4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brainstorms (not verified)</span> on 20 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462642">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462643" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424448382"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>" will someone please insert the de rigueur reference to the Donner Party "</p> <p>Years ago (and possibly still) one of the cycling teams that rode Ragbrai (and the Rockies) every year was "Team Donner Party".<br /> The backs of their jerseys read "We eat the slow ones."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462643&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FZA_wJzzWXfzXvGAnHHizCFpHF1NaBUxCvA8ZG2jR5E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">dean (not verified)</span> on 20 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462643">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1462644" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424460519"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I would have mentioned Donner and the Andes here but I think I covered them in my other posts, references here. I did know a very good friend of a survivor of the Andes crash, and I knew two people with ancestors in the Donner party. One of whom seems to have eaten the other.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462644&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="acp5Yl9Oy9bo8uepj8oUCnTUjDJ8IFAI3z0ctYYX5tg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 20 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462644">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1462645" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424460632"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Julian, the placenta is an organ. It has its own developmental pathway, its own morphology, just like any other organ. It really really is an organ. One of the major differences between large groups of mammals is the part about the placenta (though not all have what is called a placenta). The biology of the placenta is well understood. I've studied placenta related theory, and taught placenta anatomy. I once had a placenta but I lost it. Trust me, it is an organ.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462645&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8Tb3ux6vN50lxxIVA2IynwJ2jlFUwOSeiN5u-j8fx7o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 20 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462645">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462646" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1424466200"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My placenta had a really nice rank of diapasons... But my parents had to cut me off from using it, shortly afterbirth.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462646&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QuV-jRL0S5OgFFwSwSC-RkrlwTbpEhBWknnSdLKgqGE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Brainstorms (not verified)</span> on 20 Feb 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462646">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462647" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1428023593"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Eating other people's flesh is inhumane.Think twice people before turning to cannibalism,you may contract Kuru.<br /> 14242177</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462647&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4ATP7mdI7ECJ0Z7z3Y7FrSBaM_ygqnrdwUTuAjiTkU8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Maria Moreroa (not verified)</span> on 02 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462647">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462648" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1428374926"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I read an article about Matthew Mole who ate parts of a woman's face in November 2014. Cannibalism still exists.Check the article out.<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/07/cannibal-ate-womans-face-wales_n_6119242.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/07/cannibal-ate-womans-face-wal…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462648&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JjI9xJDDO6tbVC2q4zdkWCeeps1Wgy9vzRVX2Zha4TI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Thembi Moloko (not verified)</span> on 06 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462648">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462649" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1428375016"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I read an article about Matthew Williams who ate parts of a woman's face in November 2014. Cannibalism still exists.Check the article out.<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/07/cannibal-ate-womans-face-wales_n_6119242.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/07/cannibal-ate-womans-face-wal…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462649&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Err1Ym2iq53WochD-TTmT_5X-r7c_JtDtyP4yYq7FGc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Thembi Moloko (not verified)</span> on 06 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462649">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462650" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1428378626"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I read a few articles talking about how Kuru is transmitted via funerary cannibalism.Is it transmitted only by that or is there another way a person may get it?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462650&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Wz9swTYn8R1BPvGpfUQnsnaI78sAQffwKR3IjLivERo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Prudence Masufi (not verified)</span> on 06 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462650">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462651" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1428378822"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Cannibalism still exists.I read this article about Matthew Williams who was eating parts of a woman's face in November 2014.Check it out.<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/07/cannibal-ate-womans-face-wales_n_6119242.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/07/cannibal-ate-womans-face-wal…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462651&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9VLH_Pj0D1WEdzHeYNbBUBhe5YSsDP4Q-NiKP3cHnHg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Thembi Moloko (not verified)</span> on 06 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462651">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1462652" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1428400015"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Prudence, if Kuru is in a population it is passed on by eating nervous tissue (brain or nerves) that are not very thoroughly cooked. Kuru is a human version of this, a well known version in cattle is "Mad cow disease."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462652&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MourSHMQEeWPIm7kk8TaZoDXyFaPO5YbvtF3hahWkiE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 07 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462652">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462653" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1429293090"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>When 'haters' conjure up certain things about their 'victim' there could be some truth to it or they just have such a creative mind to come up with such. In the DRC a man who had been accused of being part of a Ugandan-established group as stoned scorched and devoured. i still don't understand why he was eaten.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462653&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CNCssYCDQB8r_Q4O7EKG_Vgr3bT507fLxuqI6Sj9khY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gontse M. (not verified)</span> on 17 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462653">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462654" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1429293113"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>(u15044204)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462654&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XK0XB_bp4Zz83eTl-RjoWnwsHCUkhTV-y2w9IJL465A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gontse M. (not verified)</span> on 17 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462654">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1462655" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1429300746"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Well, he may not have been. These things are usually exaggerated.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462655&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rqr4xSLe3nRu2nAloXfiH3YKxDpYUkxxsjSzbKFPchI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 17 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462655">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1462656" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1429342390"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>i highly doubt that story about Jameson</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1462656&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Y5FYrmj5OqnDcsm1GM8Ica5S3Ea_ksJw0oX5C1nuQD0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Letsatsi N. (not verified)</span> on 18 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1462656">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2015/02/17/on-cannibalism-and-jameson%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:44:07 +0000 gregladen 33498 at https://scienceblogs.com Ebola and "the French Disease" https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/10/27/ebola-and-the-french-disease <span>Ebola and &quot;the French Disease&quot;</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><em>Jim Moore and I were both students in the PhD Program in Anthropology at Harvard a few years ago. He graduated about the time I entered the program. To give a rough historical touchstone, I remember the day he needed to get his thesis off to the Registrar, and there was a delay because it was taking longer than expected to deburst the pages fresh out of the printer. Anyway, Jim is <a href="http://anthropology.ucsd.edu/faculty-staff/profiles/moore.shtml">Professor of Anthropology at UC San Diego</a>, and has done a great deal of work with Old World Primates, the evolution of social systems, and related topics. A while back Jim wrote <a href="http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/feature/the-puzzling-origins-of-aids/99999">an important piece for American Scientist</a> which was a summary of his intensive research on the complex origin of HIV in Africa. Jim and I got to talking the other day about that topic in relation to the current West African Ebola outbreak (though this really relates to Ebola across the region in West and Central Africa). I invited Jim to write a guest blog post on the topic, he did, and that post is below. The graphic above accompanies the post and is used with permission from Jim's <a href="http://www.americanscientist.org/include/popup_fullImage.aspx?key=CGiWOsbyjC2PwXdh1xOZE1f1/KfM1rcF">earlier American Scientist article</a>.<br /></em></p> <h1 id="ebolaandthefrenchdisease">Ebola and “the French Disease”</h1> <p><em>Jim Moore</em></p> <h2 id="theoriginofaids">The origin of AIDS</h2> <p>By comparing the degree of variation among samples of HIV 1 group M (the virus responsible for the pandemic), we can estimate how long it has been since the original variant existed; that gives us a time for the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) of between 1908 and 1920 (depending on which recent analysis you like). For group O (which has not spread far), the TMRCA is a few years later, about 1920 to 1926. Put in the error estimates for these dates, and the range is about 1903 to 1948. Group N, with fewer than 20 patients known, is thought to have originated between 1948 - 1977 and the range for group P (2 patients) spans more than a century.</p> <p>By comparing HIV 1 with different strains of SIVcpz and SIVgor (simian immunodeficiency virus of chimpanzees and gorillas), we find the closest match for group M comes from chimpanzee groups in SE Cameroon, just over the border from RP Congo (“Congo Brazzaville” to distinguish it from the Democratic Republic of Congo [DRC], ex-Zaire, ex-Belgian Congo). Group O appears to be derived from SIVgor, most likely someplace in southwest Cameroon. That discovery involved collecting thousands of samples of ape feces from all over Africa and screening them for SIV, a prodigious project overseen by Beatrice Hahn. And a recent paper in Science makes a good case that for HIV 1 group M, after initially becoming established in someone in northern RP Congo/SE Cameroon, the virus traveled down the Sangha River to Kinshasa (personally, I don’t think they can meaningfully separate Kinshasa and Brazzaville at this stage) around 1920, where it was maintained at a low prevalence until about 1960 when the pandemic began.</p> <p>Do the same exercises for HIV 2, and the two epidemic groups (A &amp; B) most likely originated around 1940 - 1945 (1924 to 1959) from SIVsm (sooty mangabey) someplace in or near Ivory Coast. Like HIV1 group M, the virus seems to have travelled from its point of origin (sooty mangabeys in the Tai Forest, Ivory Coast, have the closest SIV matches to both groups) to where they caught on and eventually became pandemic (Guinea-Bissau, where the war of independence seems to have facilitated the process).</p> <p>Now here’s the thing: people in both areas have eaten primates, and so been exposed to SIVs, for millennia. And as a sexually transmitted disease, well, sex has been going on for even longer. Massively increased promiscuity in the context of commercial sex workers in rapidly urbanizing and poor populations? That’s more a twentieth century thing, starting early in the century but really taking off after World War Two and ongoing today. Furthermore, in around 1960 disposable plastic syringes became widely available and, in poor areas, were often reused and/or easily available to traditional healers and charlatans, making unsterile injections more common. And of course travel by trains, cars, and planes has increased through the 20th century (with an important caveat that in parts of Africa such as the DRC, many railroads and roads weren’t maintained after independence and fell apart post–1960s).</p> <p>So exposure to SIV has been going on for millennia, and “the usual suspects” in terms of STD risk factors became important early in the 20th century but increased dramatically (and have remained high) since the late 1950s, and despite that the only strains of HIV that have “caught on” all date from around 1920 - 1945. What is missing? </p> <h2 id="thefrenchconnection">The French Connection</h2> <p>Those places, those times: French Equatorial Africa and French West Africa. There are SIV-carrying primates in many parts of Africa, under various colonial powers at various times, but all four zoonotic HIV strains happened under the French. Bad luck?</p> <p><a href="/files/gregladen/files/2014/10/Screen-Shot-2014-10-27-at-11.13.54-AM1-e1414426671379.png"><img src="/files/gregladen/files/2014/10/Screen-Shot-2014-10-27-at-11.13.54-AM1-e1414426671379.png" alt="Screen Shot 2014-10-27 at 11.13.54 AM" width="300" height="174" class="alignright size-full wp-image-20574" /></a> </p><p>It is impossible to be sure, but I have argued that for HIV 1 the catalyst was the combination of two things. First comes the unbelievably brutal treatment of Africans in both French Equatorial Africa (FEA) and the Belgian Congo, resulting (among other things) in labor camps where men were overworked, malnourished, and provided with women as a matter of policy to keep the workers – well, “happy” is probably not the best word, but you get the idea. The second element was the effort to cure smallpox and sleeping sickness through aggressive diagnosis/treatment/inoculation campaigns using traveling “mobile clinics” that had inadequate equipment for the scale of the job they were doing. For example, one sleeping sickness expedition in 1916 into what is now Central African Republic diagnosed/treated more than 89,000 people with just 6 syringes (the number of needles isn’t recorded). Over more than a decade, these mobile clinics, pioneered by Dr. Eugene Jamot, reached - and injected - millions of people. The importance of sterile equipment was well understood, but the logistics (I speculate) would have been prohibitive. The campaigns represent a major humanitarian effort that saved many lives, but the combination of widespread use of unsterile needles and stress-induced immunosuppression could not have been better designed for adapting a virus to new hosts.</p> <p>I do not know the relevant history of French West Africa (FWA) so am cautious about saying the same thing happened there with HIV 2. However, it is worth noting that in 1931 Jamot was held responsible for the accidental blinding of hundreds of people being treated by one of his subordinates (sleeping sickness was treated with an arsenic derivative, and the subordinate apparently tried out a higher dosage, with disastrous results). With a cloud over his reputation, Jamot shifted from FEA to - Ouagadougou, in FWA. There he took charge of the sleeping sickness campaign, again with mobile clinics and again treating thousands of people under difficult conditions over several years before his health deteriorated.</p> <p>About 20 years between the origins of HIV 1 in FEA and HIV 2 in FWA, and about 15 years between the onset of Jamot’s work in FEA and his move to FWA. Very circumstantial, but it gives one pause.</p> <h2 id="whybelaborthefrench">Why belabor the French?</h2> <p>Eugene Jamot was a genuine hero, and while colonial support for the mobile clinics wasn’t all humanitarian (there were concerns about the loss of [forced] labor if too many died), I am sure the people involved were doing their best to help other people in need. It might seem mean-spirited to point the finger of AIDS at them.</p> <p>Well, here is one reason. A recent article in Science by Faria et al. examined the history of HIV 1 group M, concluding that the virus arrived in Kinshasa in about 1920 where it barely kept up with population growth until about 1960, when it began rapidly spreading in the pandemic we see today. It is valuable and interesting work. The actual origin of the virus is not their focus, but they summarize it thusly:</p> <blockquote><p>After localized transmission, presumably resulting from the hunting of primates, the virus probably traveled via ferry along the Sangha River system to Kinshasa. During the period of German colonization of Cameroon (1884 - 1916), fluvial connections between southern Cameroon and Kinshasa were frequent due to the exploitation of rubber and ivory. (page 58)</p> </blockquote> <p>German colonization? Well, yes; the Germans were in Cameroon up until 1916 (when French/Belgian forces that had traveled up the Sangha in 1914 finally drove them out; Jamot was a medical officer with the expeditionary force). But traffic on the Sangha River didn’t end in 1916, and most of it was between Brazzaville/Kinshasa and the French towns of Ouesso, Nola, and Carnot anyhow. Why specify the “period of German colonization”?? I do not KNOW, but I note that (1) there is no other mention of any colonial power in the Faria et al. article, and (2) of the 14 authors, 6 are affiliated with institutions in Belgium or France (the rest, UK and USA). It looks to me like there may have been a bit of whitewashing going on there, and using a scientific article to blow historical smoke in our eyes gets my dander up.</p> <h2 id="aidsandebola">AIDS and Ebola</h2> <p>Here is a better reason for acknowledging the likelihood that AIDS got its start as an unanticipated consequence of underfunded, understaffed humanitarian efforts to deal with infectious diseases in equatorial/west Africa: history can repeat itself. To ignore ebola in West Africa is not an option, and half-measures have whole risks.</p> <p>_____________________</p> <h3 id="furtherreading">Further reading</h3> <p>The puzzling origins of AIDS (2004). Jim Moore. American Scientist 92: 540–547. <a href="http://pages.ucsd.edu/~jmoore/publications/MooreAmSci04.pdf">pdf</a></p> <p>The early spread and epidemic ignition of HIV–1 in human populations (2014).<br /><br /> Nuno R. Faria, Andrew Rambaut, Marc A. Suchard, Guy Baele, Trevor Bedford, Melissa J.Ward, Andrew J. Tatem, João D. Sousa, Nimalan Arinaminpathy, Jacques Pépin, David Posada, Martine Peeters, Oliver G. Pybus, and Philippe Lemey. Science 346: 56 - 61.</p> <p><a href="http://pages.ucsd.edu/~jmoore/publications/HIVorigin.html">Some other material of mine on HIV origins</a></p> <p>_____________________</p> <p>Further note: Readers of this blog will avoid confusion by noting that this Jim Moore is not the Aquatic Ape Jim Moore. Same name, different guy. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Mon, 10/27/2014 - 06:19</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/africa" hreflang="en">Africa</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/congo" hreflang="en">Congo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola" hreflang="en">Ebola</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ebola-1" hreflang="en">Ebola</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/colonial-africa" hreflang="en">Colonial Africa</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/eugene-jamot" hreflang="en">Eugene Jamot</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/hiv" hreflang="en">hiv</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/jim-moore" hreflang="en">Jim Moore</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/medicine" hreflang="en">Medicine</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1460981" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414477531"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Great.<br /> Read it tooo.<br /><a href="http://www.flamingopink.com.au/2014/10/shouldnt-fear-ebola/">http://www.flamingopink.com.au/2014/10/shouldnt-fear-ebola/</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1460981&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LSdllhoiLOgBrPHejPtKY0JV60JKKAkBzsizxhoHW9k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Debashish Das (not verified)</span> on 28 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1460981">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1460982" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1414664486"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Fantastic read - wondering what the connection was kept me reading to the end.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1460982&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xVX-jrAi3brpWBeL-radPJl6-BHMwpV3Cbbwa0LrD3E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Doug Alder (not verified)</span> on 30 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1460982">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1460983" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1415039674"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Many thanks, Debashish &amp; Doug.!<br /> A friend, reading this, asked me exactly what risks I meant - new diseases (cf. Nathan Wolfe's book, The Viral Storm)? Part of me wanted to dodge it - the point about unanticipated consequences is not anticipating them - but vague "beware, the sky might fall" is cheap.<br /> Ebola has not previously spent much time in humans, so has had little chance to adapt. Obviously the longer the epidemic goes on, the greater the chance the virus will adapt to humans. For example: ebola is not contagious until symptoms manifest. Well, logically speaking isolating patients as soon as symptoms show up creates a strong selective pressure on the virus to become contagious BEFORE symptoms are visible (like HIV).<br /> So that's one possibility.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1460983&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bCGek2PCmL710fDVv_n4hbDwb_PmCEkfCP-SeTBnJRc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jim Moore (not verified)</span> on 03 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1460983">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1460984" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1415046270"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Humans could bring Ebola to a new host. </p> <p>Ebola could become more benign, and thus, worse, if it manages to circulate in humans and human commensals (rats, etc) ... i.e., it could become a version of the plague, more or less.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1460984&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QYla8Ki5V_lIorBNwzXP7ON5JC24O_VclFVntB2z5jM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 03 Nov 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1460984">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2014/10/27/ebola-and-the-french-disease%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 27 Oct 2014 10:19:03 +0000 gregladen 33401 at https://scienceblogs.com New Stanley https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/10/26/new-stanley <span>New Stanley</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>...</p> <p>As instructed, I arrived at the New Stanley Hotel, in downtown Nairobi, at just before 11:00 AM, to meet Pat Soffer, primatologist. Willoughby didn't have to tell me about the fish and chips at the hotel's cafe; I'd eaten here many times. The Thorn Tree was a pretty standard meeting place in Nairobi. A block or so from the Hilton, at the end of the main downtown street, a short walk from the central government buildings, across from a central bus station, it was a slightly pricey but reasonable hotel with an inexpensive, leisurely outdoor restaurant open early in the morning for breakfast and coffee, all day for lunch and dinner, and late into the evening for drinks.</p> <p>A giant tree...a thorn tree as it happens...grew from the middle of the outdoor eating area, and around the tree was built a bulletin board. The bulletin board was mainly for travelers and tourists to hang notes for other travelers and tourists. A typical scenario might be for a couple of backpackers to cross paths in Malawi or Tanzania or Uganda, both thinking they'd be passing through Nairobi in a month or so. Then, when either would arrive in town, they would search for a note from the other and put up one of their own, and in so doing, sometimes reconnect in the Tourist Capital of East Africa. Among these numerous mostly unanswered missives, other more interesting but less overt messaging would also take place. A small but steady amount of arms, drugs, and intelligence trafficking was facilitated by notes on the Thorn Tree's bulletin board. And, now and then, people organizing expeditions into the Congo would meet up here. </p> <p>So on my arrival at the Cafe, I went right to the tree to look for a note from Pat Soffer, prepared to write my own. I realized I had no idea what my contact looked like, and the restaurant was full of westerners any one of which could be Pat Soffer, Primatologist. Seeing nothing, I took out a note pad, located a blank page and penned: </p> <p>"Looking for Pat, Mutual Interest in Monkeys"</p> <p>And I was just about to pin this to the board when a woman who had been standing next to me also looking at the bulletin board took a step closer and snatched the paper from my hand. "Welcome to Nairobi," she said, gesturing toward a table already set for tea, along the back wall. "you're early." </p> <p>Pat Soffer struck me right away as someone who'd been around the block more than once and who knew how to take care of herself. Darkly tanned with a lot of split ends in her black hair, brown eyes, broad shouldered, trim and muscular, I had the vague impression that she was of Greek ancestry, though her last name did not match. For just a second I was surprised she was a girl. "Pat" is the ultimate western non-gendered name. Surprised but glad. I was tired of working with that special Intrepid Explorer Ego that usually accompanies western Y-chromosomes in the bush. </p> <p>So we talked. Pat confirmed that Dieter was her advisor in undergraduate school. She had a vaguely defined plan to get a Master's degree at Oxford, then return to Dieter's institution to work under him towards a PhD, but by that time there had been some difficulties and for some reason or another Dieter was no longer taking on female graduate students. Other than the one he had just married, that is. Yes, it was true; all the complexities of high school relationships returned but with a vengeance in graduate school, especially in Anthropology where fieldwork complicated things. Pat ended up getting her PhD elsewhere, and spent most of the time since those days off in the field somewhere. </p> <p>Dieter Phillips had asked her to consider joining him on an expedition to the Eastern Congo, where we were now heading, under the condition that she, Pat, would only be in the field at the same time as Dieter's wife, at the new Mrs. Phillip's request. Pat had no problem with that. She explained it this way to me: "Dieter Phillips was not my type. Phyllis, on the other hand, was, physically; but not emotionally or mentally. She was a child. But I would have enjoyed the window dressing and had fun playing with the dynamic, especially if it would have given Dieter a hard time. I wasn't really happy about being rejected from my choice of graduate school because of marital insecurity by two emotionally retarded latter day hipsters, which is how I regarded the two of them."</p> <p>"So your interest in South Dakota was not for the opportunity to work with the great Dieter Phillips?" I inquired.</p> <p>"Hell no. I wanted access to their primate skeletal collection. It is the largest and best documented in the world. At the time, that's what I wanted to do...measure bones. In the end, I'm glad it didn't work out. I live in the field now. You know what I'm talking about."</p> <p>I certainly did. If you spend enough time in the field, not being in the field feels strange. </p> <p>"Let me ask you, then, what was the point of Phillips" expedition, the one you didn't go on? Why didn't you go, in the end, and what did he find? I've been told almost nothing about it, other than that I'm to help you."</p> <p>"Ah. I figured that. They were probably worried you would not come if you knew..."</p> <p>I waited, now more intrigued than ever.</p> <p>"Dieter Phillips was looking for a new species of primate, a kind of ape, called Sungudogo," she said. </p> <p>"He had evidence that it really existed and intended to document its presence, collect a few to bring back as specimens, and then get funding for a much larger project."</p> <p>"OK, that much I either knew from what they told me in Brussels, or inferred. Why would you NOT go on such a search? Even if Sungudogo did not exist, there are probably plenty of other primate-related things in the area you could have worked on."</p> <p>"Sungudogo is a gorilla no taller than this," she said, as she held her hand about four feet off the ground. </p> <p>"While knuckle walking?" I asked, "Four feet would be about right. you're saying Sungudogo is a bit bigger than the average gorilla?"</p> <p>"No," she said, glancing at her hand and with a grin moving it a few inches to one side. "This tall. From the top of the table. While standing full height on its hind limbs."</p> <p>"What?" I said, wishing I hadn't been sipping my tea at just that moment. "A two and a half foot tall gorilla?"</p> <p>"Well," she said. "You should have guessed from the name; "sungu" from ape or chimp and "dogo" for small, like the word "kidogo." Small Ape. Sungudogo." </p> <p>"Yeah, I had noticed that, those two terms are used in a lot of languages in the area. But I didn't think..." I thought for a moment. "Wait, is this why you didn't join Phillips? Because Sungudogo is no more likely to exist than Bigfoot?"</p> <p>"Exactly," she said. "I told him that I'd be the first to join his second expedition!" </p> <p>"So, they went off without you. How did they explain Sungudogo in the end? Was it a local totemic symbol, or some other sort of made up creature, or something lost in the translation, or what?"</p> <p>"Ah...no, not exactly," she said, that same wry grin returning to her lips. </p> <p>"What then?"</p> <p>"It exists," she said, suddenly getting serious. "I've seen one."</p> <p>I stared. Waiting for the punchline. </p> <p>"I think they killed Dieter."</p> <p>That was not the punchline I was looking for. </p> <p>"Listen," she said, leaning in close and moving my half finished cup of tea off to the side. "You are going to have to trust me on something," now putting her hand on my forearm, as though what she was about to say might cause me to bolt. </p> <p>I looked at her, and saw something in her eyes that caught my attention. Worry. Fear, maybe.</p> <p>"There are a couple of things that have to be cleared up, very soon, before we can go forward with this expedition. I have been sworn to absolute secrecy and I can't even tell you certain things."</p> <p>"That won't do at all," I replied, maybe a little too tersely. For that I earned a tighter grip on my forearm. </p> <p>"I know," she said. "This is where you have to trust me. We're both going to Goma, Zaire. You know that place, right?"</p> <p>"Only in as much as I live there when I'm in country and not on a job, sure."</p> <p>"Do you have a place there?"</p> <p>"No," I replied. "Not at the moment, I gave that up. I stay in a hotel. But yes, I know the place. I understand We're going to points north of Goma, so that is where I assume we'll start out. Arrange a vehicle, get supplies, maybe poke around for information, get our land legs."</p> <p>"Here's what we need to do, Mallows. We'll meet in Goma in a few days. I'll supply the vehicle, I have access to a Land Rover. I need to make a stop and verify something and then, if all that works out, I can tell you everything I know. I promised to not tell anybody, you included, everything that I know until we are in country. We'll talk in Goma in about a week."</p> <p>I don't know exactly what made me trust her, but really, the cost was not high. If things didn't work out, Goma was where I should be anyway. This is where the action was in mining and mercenary work. Once I got to Goma, even if Pat never showed up, I'd be fine. I gave a nod. </p> <p>"Besides," she said, seeing my nod and relaxing a little. "Goma's where you would normally go this time of year anyway, since your job in Brussels is done." Echoing my thoughts, knowing more about me than I thought she did, like everyone else I'd spoken to so far. She let go of my arm, reached out her hand for me to shake it, and as I did so, she stood. "See you in Goma in a week. I'll send a telegraph to the<br /> Pierre Hotel when I know my exact schedule. That's the one you usually stay in, right?"</p> <p>And without waiting for an answer, she turned and walked out of the Thorn Tree Cafe, took a right towards the Hilton and Government Center, and disappeared. ...</p> <p>_______________________</p> <p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Sungudogo-Greg-Laden-ebook/dp/B009R8ASRG/">Now available for only 99 cents! Cheap at half the price!</a></p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Sat, 10/26/2013 - 02:20</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/congo" hreflang="en">Congo</a></div> </div> </div> <section> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2013/10/26/new-stanley%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Sat, 26 Oct 2013 06:20:28 +0000 gregladen 32931 at https://scienceblogs.com When Are Nomads Not Really Nomads? (Efe Pygmy Ethnoarchaeology) https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/05/16/efe-pygmy-land-use-nomadism <span>When Are Nomads Not Really Nomads? (Efe Pygmy Ethnoarchaeology)</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>“First, we’re going to collect our data,” Jack, the archaeologist, was telling me as we slogged down the narrow overgrown path. He seemed annoyed. “Then, we’ll leave. Until we leave, they won’t leave. They think it would be rude. After they leave, we’ll go back and map in the abandoned camp.”</p> <p>I had just arrived at the research camp in the Ituri Forest, then Zaire and now the Congo, after a rather long and harrowing journey that took me from Boston to New York to London to Lagos to Kinshasa to Kisingani to Isiro, all by plane, then over 250 kilometers of increasingly less road-like road, to the world’s most “remote” research site to be found among human settlements anywhere on the planet. Jack’s research involved looking at what happened to Efe Pygmy “camps” after they were abandoned. The Efe hunter-gatherers were known to move camp an average of once every two weeks or so. An archaeologist would want to know what happens to a camp once it is abandoned because many of the ancient sites we excavate are exactly that, abandoned settlements. Jack had been tracking Efe movement and camp abandonment patterns for one year, and the expectation was that I would continue his data collection for another year, as he and his wife returned to Montana to write up their results. </p> <div style="width: 310px;float:right;"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/05/sm_Efe_Forest_Camp_photo_by_g_laden_1985-prints-neg-007-300x189.jpg" alt="A typical Efe forest camp." width="300" height="189" class="size-medium wp-image-16634" /> A typical Efe forest camp. </div> <p>The Efe, being very hospitable, were reluctant to leave a camp with visitors present, even if the visitors promised to leave with them, and certainly would never leave a camp if the visitors stayed behind. It just wasn’t done. Jack never told me how long it took for him and Helen to figure out that every time they visited a camp they were told would be abandoned that day, the Efe never actually moved, but eventually they came upon the method of arriving about the time of expected abandonment, collecting some preliminary data, and then leaving only to return hours, or perhaps a day, later.</p> <p>“Oh, excuse, me have you moved yet? No? OK, see you tomorrow.” </p> <p>When we arrived at the camp, which was located very near the Lese villages … the Lese are the farming people who with an overlapping culture and economy with the Efe … there were a lot of people there. This was a camp with several adult couples and a number of kids of all ages from baby up to nearly teenage. Since this was Jack and Helen’s last visit, they brought gifts to give to the people who had helped them out for the previous year. Project regulations and ethics required that any gifts be irrelevant to diet or economics, not usable as tools of poaching, not likely to change people’s status, and be likely to be used up or worn out quickly. So, everybody got plastic green sunglasses, the really cheap kind you buy by the dozen at a party store to use as favors. </p> <div style="width: 310px;float:left;"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/05/sm_Lese_village_photo_by_g_laden_1985-0-002-300x198.jpg" alt="A typical Lese village." width="300" height="198" class="size-medium wp-image-16635" /> A typical Lese village. </div> <p>The data collection involved listing all the people who were present, using coded references so no one could ever trace a real individual to any of our reports or publications. Years ago there was a revolution here in the Ituri during which lists of plantation workers or other employees, people who might be sympathetic to the Belgian colonials, were used to find and sometimes kill sympathizers. In case something like that ever happened again, we did not want our records to be used to identify people who were friendly to outsiders who might be seen as oppressors. That we tried very hard to not be oppressors was hardly the point; violent revolutions often get such things wrong. We would also offer everyone in the camp the opportunity to display their tools and other durable items so that we could inventory and photograph them. This was done voluntarily, but in this particular culture there was no proscription against it as long as we were looking only at regular household items or hunting weapons. Any sacred ritual items would be kept hidden, most likely, and we would not ask about them. </p> <p>It was a party, a good time, lots of conversation, some weeping over the fact that the much beloved Jack and Helen would be moving back to the States, lots of fun with the green sunglasses, lots of data collected. Then, we left, and the next day we returned to map in the locations of the small dome shaped leaf-covered huts and other structures, fire hearths, stick chairs, drying racks, midden piles, trampled central-use areas, and so on and so forth. This is what the abandoned camp of a people known in the literature, and generally to outsiders, as “nomads” looked like. There was lots of stuff there, but all of it was made from materials available on the spot, transformed from wild growing plants to architecture and kitchen furniture, but eventually thrown out or left behind. Everything else was carried by the Efe, in one trip, to the next camp they would build from natural materials. Or almost everything.</p> <div style="width: 310px;float:right;"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/05/sm_Saying_goodbye_to_Jack_and_Helen_photo_by_g_laden_1985-prints-neg-042-300x192.jpg" alt="Saying goodbye to Jack and Helen." width="300" height="192" class="size-medium wp-image-16636" /> Saying goodbye to Jack and Helen. </div> <p>To understand the movement of the Efe across the landscape, one had to first understand the seasonal cycles of the villages and the forest. While the Efe were hunter gatherers, living off the land in the African rain forest, they also associated with the Lese Villagers, farmers who grew crops in swidden (slash and burn) gardens. Sometimes the Efe men helped the Lese to develop the gardens, especially new gardens, by cutting and burning trees, in exchange for some goods, often tobacco and marijuana (which were always consumed together). But much more regularly, the women worked in the gardens planting, tending, harvesting, and processing rice, peanuts, cassava, plantains, and other crops. These gardens had a seasonal cycle. Being almost on the equator, there were two growing seasons, a wet season for “dry” country rice and a less wet season for growing peanuts. The other crops were grown year round. So, there was a harvesting and planting season around June, and another harvesting and planting season around November.</p> <div style="width: 310px;float:left;"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/05/sm_Jack_collecting_data_in_Efe_garden_camp_photo_by_g_laden_1985-04-017-300x183.jpg" alt="Collecting data from an abandoned camp." width="300" height="183" class="size-medium wp-image-16638" /> Collecting data from an abandoned camp. </div> <p>In return for their work in the fields, Efe could take food from the gardens. In the end, about half of the food the Efe ate consisted of agricultural produce procured in exchange for this work and the other half of their food came from the forest, mostly hunted meat but also gathered fruits and roots and other things. </p> <p>And the forest had it’s seasonal cycle as well. During the dry season, which lasted several weeks around November and December, certain animals were easier to hunt because the streams they hid in, or that would impair hunter’s movement through the forest, were very low. Staring in late June and running into August, the famous African Killer Honey Bees (the wild version of our own domesticated honey bee) produced copious honey in nests about 100 feet up in the forest canopy. The Efe men were very dedicated to harvesting this honey. </p> <p>If you think about that information for a bit you’ll notice possible conflict. For example, the Efe are drawn to the deep forest for Honey Season, but this overlaps with the mid-year harvest and planting. The November harvest and planting overlapped and conflicted with the dry season hunting. You might guess that men and women would have different opinions about where to reside during these periods of conflicts. The women would never stay overnight in a farm village during harvest; they moved each day by foot from the Efe camp to the gardens and back. But as it became more desirable to camp farther and farther into the forest, that commute became longer and longer. We say (usually tongue in cheek) that Western couples fight over certain things, like money or how to raise the kids or what channel to watch on TV. Efe couples argue over where to put the camp in relation to the horticultural villages vs. the deep forest. </p> <p>I ended up never continuing Jack and Helen’s data collection project. That I would spend a year doing Part II of another graduate student’s thesis was an idea cooked up by our shared advisor, but neither Jack nor I saw the benefit in doing that. He had enough data, I had other things to do. So, instead, I studied the larger scale structure of Efe nomadism, of their movements across the landscape and their use of forest resources. </p> <p>I discovered that each Efe group possessed (and that is a carefully chosen word) rights to a trail, usually one single trail but sometimes something a bit more complicated, that ran from the villages out into the forest. Along this trail, at intervals of almost exactly 1.5 kilometers, was a potential camp site. Of these camp sites, a handful were used again and again as the Efe moved through their seasonal cycle. Some of the other camps were used only occasionally. This was interesting, because it meant that even though the efe might move over 20 times a year, the part of their movement in the deep forest had them return to the same exact four or five camps again and again for years. They would also repeatedly use the same camps near the villages, but since village farmers often moved their swidden gardens, wiping out grown-over sections of the forest in one area and abandoning a garden elsewhere, the Efe “village camps” … the camps used during planting and harvest seasons … were often destroyed or otherwise became inconvenient. </p> <div style="width: 310px;float:left;"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/05/sm_Efe_hunters_photo_by_g_laden_1985-prints-neg-102-300x186.jpg" alt="Efe hunter. As a general rule, if you don't know at least approximately where something is in the forest before you go looking for it, you're not likely to find it. " width="300" height="186" class="size-medium wp-image-16639" /> Efe hunter. As a general rule, if you don't know at least approximately where something is in the forest before you go looking for it, you're not likely to find it. </div> <p>I also discovered that the Efe named each of their camps. This should not be surprising. Humans everywhere use place names to navigate and situate themselves in space. As with place names generally, the names of camps often had a meaningful history. One camp was named “Near the rotten orange tree.” That was a camp located near a garden where there once stood a citrus tree, long gone. That was revealing because there were no villages anywhere near the old orang tree today, the original village having been left decades ago. The best camp name I encountered was “Place the women refuse to pass.” This meant that this was the location along that particular group’s trail that the women refused to move camp beyond during the seasons they commuted to work in the gardens. As it was, this camp was about two hours walk from the villages. No wonder they refused to live beyond that point while working in the farms!</p> <p>And now we come to the interesting anthropological lesson that emerges when we look at other cultures, in this case, the Efe and Lese. In books and articles about the Pygmies of the Central African rain forest, the Pygmies (including the Efe as well as other groups with different names) are often called “nomads.” Nomads, we all know, are people who move a lot. The term also invokes, for many, a certain amount of randomness, or at least, uncertainty in where one might be moving next. There is indeed uncertainty, of a sort, among the Efe as to when they are going to move and where to. But this is simply because one does not need to decide when or where until it is time to do so. There is a constant negotiation happening between members of a particular group as to when to move, and which camp to move to. If there is a big enough difference between different families in a camp, they can easily move to two different locations for a while, or one group can stay and others leave. But these differences never lead to the men going one place while the women go elsewhere, even though the biggest conflict is usually between men and women. The point is, their movement is not random, but well considered and systematic, yet in at the scale of days or weeks in advance, not very predictable at any level of detail.</p> <p>Yet, at the same time, the Efe are the opposite of nomadic. Consider their Lese village farmer neighbors. They live in permanent villages. But, over time, the Lese use up garden space and firewood in the vicinity of their village. Also, a mini-epidemic of disease in a given village will cause people to not want to live there any more. So, over the course of a person’s life, say a person who lives to 70 years old, one might move seven or eight times from one village to another just in service to the agricultural cycle. </p> <p>But wait, there’s more. Among the villagers, men and women, when they are married, move to one parent’s village or another for a while, then try to start their own village, and that sometimes does not work out, so they move again. So, around the age of marriage, a person may move three or four times in two or three years. A young man might spend two or three years working at a plantation far from their village, or spend some time in the army. A woman and her children might move to near a chief’s village if her husband is caught doing something wrong and forced into indentured service for a few months. Every now and then the government comes along and moves any village that is too far out in the forest closer to the road so it is easier to tax them. Then later, the government disappears (remember, this is a remote area) and everyone moves back. If grandma gets really sick part of the family might move far away to a mission hospital, because the family is required to supply food and labor to support grandma’s stay in what amounts to a hospice. And so on and so forth.</p> <p>Betweeen all of these factors, Lese farmers might move 20 times in their life. </p> <p>Let’s view “nomadism” among the Efe hunter gatherers and the Lese villagers from a slightly different perspective. Let’s ask the question: How many different places have you slept a total of 100 nights or more? That eliminates short forays, fishing trips, very short marriages, etc. Or, putting it a slightly different way, let’s look at the list of places one lives ranked by how many nights one has slept there in a lifetime. Nomads, given our usual conception of them, should have a very long list with a small number of nights at each place, while settled people should have a list with a short number of localities each associated with hundreds or thousands of nights, even if there is a tail of several places with a small number of nights each down hear the bottom of the list. </p> <p>If we look at the “nomadic” hunter gatherers of the Ituri Forest, the Efe, their list will have five or six places that account for 80% or more of their nights, if we adjust for the frequently destroyed camps in or near the gardens. The Lese farmers, on the other hand, will have over a dozen localities with a several hundred nights in each. By that reckoning, the Lese are more nomadic over a lifetime, even if the Efe are constantly moving.</p> <p>Minnesotans who go away for college and whose families have a cabin (maybe a series of cabins over time) up north and who spend part of their lives moving opportunistically from apartment to apartment in South Minneapolis are pretty nomadic too. I myself moved once before the age of 16, then about every six months for the next 15 years, chasing relationships, jobs, schools, and doing field work. </p> <p>Finally, let’s look at nomadism in one more way. If you move every several years, occasionally more often such as around the time of marriage, then at any given time the landscape you know is the landscape you live in, and the memories of details of the landscape of your childhood or other times gone by both fades and becomes obsolete. But if you move constantly, but over the same exact landscape all the time like the Efe do, then your knowledge of every bit of the landscape is detailed an intense and constantly updated and renewed. The Efe know every root that ever tripped them and every rocky pile that ever harbored a small forest animal procurable for dinner and every mature fruit tree and every patch of tasty forest yams in the place they live. The other part of my research, looking at Efe diet, came to this conclusion: There is a fair amount of food in the rain forest, but the only way to find any of it is to know in advance where it is located. Otherwise, the costs in time and energy to discover it excede its caloric value. </p> <p>The Efe are not nomadic. They are, rather, constant inspectors of their rather large home, centered on their traditionally used trail, consisting of a half dozen venues to sleep and live. </p> <p>_________________________________<br /><strong>More stuff about the Congo</strong></p> <p>A while back I wrote a Novella, as a fundraising effort for the Secular Student Alliance, set in the eastern Congo. A cleaned up version of it is available here: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009R8ASRG/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B009R8ASRG&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20"><strong>Sungudogo</strong></a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B009R8ASRG" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /></p> <p>You can read the harrowing real life story of a season of field research in the same region, in a series of blog posts, by clicking <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/05/03/the-zodiac-2/"><strong>HERE</strong></a> (then click through to the next blog post, and the next, and the next, until you've read them all!).</p> <p>And, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/category/africa/lost_congo_memoir/"><strong>THIS LINK</strong></a> will get you to a selection of other stories set in the region. </p> <p>Jack's research was written up here:</p> <p>Ethnoarchaeology Among the Efe Pygmies, Zaire: Spatial Organization of Campsites, by J. W. Fisher, Jr. and H. C. Strickland. American Journal of Physical Anthropology 78:473–484.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Thu, 05/16/2013 - 03:06</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/africa" hreflang="en">Africa</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/efe-ethnoarchaeology" hreflang="en">Efe Ethnoarchaeology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/lost-congo-memoir" hreflang="en">lost congo memoir</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/archaeology" hreflang="en">archaeology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/congo" hreflang="en">Congo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/efe-pygmy" hreflang="en">efe pygmy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/nomadism" hreflang="en">Nomadism</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1451782" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1445057844"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A really insightful take on nomadism. I am conducting ethnoarchaeological research with two iron-smelting communities in India. They are used to lead a "nomadic" life moving along the sources of ore and charcoal. But their movements were not erratic. These took place in a circle, guided primarily by their forest management strategies. They revisited their camps after a more or less fixed interval, and hence there was a certainty in their movements. You can read more on this here: <a href="http://ethnoarchaeologyresearch.com/">http://ethnoarchaeologyresearch.com/</a><br /> I am more nomadic in that sense, because although I occasionally visit my parents, much I do not really know where my next professional appointment will be.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1451782&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SRWdnbUpLLS1pq81MwrEVNKi-zu0DEG133ta2Vs-p8E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Tathagata Neogi (not verified)</span> on 17 Oct 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1451782">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2013/05/16/efe-pygmy-land-use-nomadism%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 16 May 2013 07:06:34 +0000 gregladen 32686 at https://scienceblogs.com What a Difference a Century Can Make https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/03/01/what-a-difference-a-century-can-make <span>What a Difference a Century Can Make</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>At the beginning of the 20th century, a traveler in Central Africa made mention of some strange people that he had come across. He was traveling among regular, run-of-the-mill natives…probably Bantu-speaking people living in scattered villages and farming for their food. But along the way, strange people came out of the forest. These strange people had sloping foreheads; they were short of stature, bow-legged and otherwise misshapen. They also clearly were, in the eyes of the traveler, of subhuman intelligence. The traveler described these people as a separate, subhuman race that lived in the forest. As I read this, I began to think that perhaps he was speaking of so-called “Pygmies” who live in this region, and as I began to think that, I started to get mad at this writer because so-called “Pygmies” do not look or act as he described.</p> <!--more--><p> Then, the writer totally surprised me by noting (I paraphrase) that “unlike the Pygmies, who live in these forests and are of perfectly proportioned shape and appearance, these subhuman creatures were rather grotesque.”<br /> The traveler was a college-educated westerner with a late-Victorian attitude about Africans. The idea that all Africans are at least a little subhuman would have been a starting point for him. Throwing in a tribe here and there with especially cannibalistic or otherwise uncouth tendencies would be typical. Running into a group of individuals that looked to him almost like a separate species would be notable, and he did in fact make note of it, but this would be something he would take in stride.</p> <p>Reading this made me wonder about two totally different and to some extent opposed lines of thought. On one hand, I thought, “How can people think such things are real…this guy was obviously seeing something he expected to see. Why? How does that work?” On the other hand, I thought, “What if his observations were essentially accurate, aside from the racial judgments he made. What if he really did encounter a bunch of people with bow legs and funny-looking bodies?”<br /> Then, in the next paragraph of this monologue, a possible answer came. Shortly after the above mentioned description, the traveler mentions that one of these strange heathens, with the bow legs and the disproportioned body, traveled with him as a servant for a while. Then, at the end of that leg of the trip, after serving quite well for being such a subhuman and all, the traveler wanted to leave this misshapen wretch with some sort of extra payment for services. A tip. But the wretch had withdrawn to the forest never to be seen again (by the traveller), apparently uninterested in recompense.<br /> Bingo.</p> <p>Or at least, maybe bingo. I have an experience that may in fact match that of this ca. 1900-vintage traveler. Actually, a few such experiences. But as a post- (way post!) Victorian anthropologist, I have a slightly different take on the situation.</p> <p>When I lived in the Ituri Forest, I often lived with the Pygmies for stretches of time. There were two modalities of living with them. In one mode, I would throw myself on their mercy and more or less live exactly as they lived, staying in the same kind of hut they lived in and doing whatever they did, or at least watching them do whatever they were doing, and trying to stay out of the way at the same time as observing and learning things about their lifeway. In the other modality, I stayed in a small dome tent (a cloth version of their hut) and was a bit more involved with the logistics of camp life, because during at least some of that time (several weeks over the course of many many months), it was more like they were living with me. I would hire a small number of Pygmy men, and maybe have one villager with us as well, and another anthropologist, and we’d be doing something like digging an archaeological site, measuring trees, counting monkeys, or whatever.</p> <p>During some of these forays, especially in the first modality when it was only me (no other anthropologist) travelling with them, and I was living in their lifeway, more or less, I was assigned a wife. Sort of. This happened a couple of times, with different groups, and different individuals. In each case the person whom I eventually came to understand was serving the role of Mrs. Gregoiri (one of my Efe names was Gregoiri, which I admit is not too original) was a man with pretty severe polio.</p> <p>These were men who could not carry out many of the activities in which the men normally engaged with respect to hunting and other forest activities. Even moving from camp to camp might be a challenge to someone whose legs were very shortened and deformed and who had, essentially, a kind of polio-induced dwarfism. For the most part, these men had outstanding manual skills. They could shoot an arrow as well as any (or better) and were outstanding at making things that the other men also made, but that the polio-afflicted men would make with utmost skill. What they lacked was stamina in the field.<br /> Their condition meant that they would be unlikely to marry. It meant that they would be in camp with the women anywhere from now and then to almost always as the men went off to hunt. It meant that their social and economic gender was unique. And it meant that when someone had to be assigned to keep the big pasty white guy who was always tripping on tree roots and poking himself with sticks from harming himself, well, this person was the obvious choice.</p> <p>I remembered, rather poignantly in fact, on reading the aforementioned traveler’s notice that the strange deformed subhuman left without any special recompense, that this is what happened to me as well. It was a bit of a privilege to hang out with the visitor, as would be the case in most cultures, and the visitor seemed to overlook the person’s affliction, which is something that many visitors may not have done.</p> <p>The polio that came through the Ituri Forest of Zaire must have come through at roughly the same time because all the men who had it were about the same age…my age, actually. This population of forest dwelling people must have been very susceptible to it. And the Pygmies were notable for either refusing or just being bad at accepting long-term treatment or hospital stays, so even if there was some help available for them in those days, it may have ended up rather ineffective. Many must have died.</p> <p>I need not mention that I never saw a subhuman deformed race. I did see some men who were being very good to me, keeping me from getting killed by the snakes, the elements, by getting poked to death or falling off a cliff into quicksand, or whatever one may think of as the dangers of the African Jungle. And they didn’t want any special pay for it.<br /> Those marriages were short lived. But they were good marriages.</p> <p>Originally posted at <a href="http://quichemoraine.com/2009/07/what-a-difference-a-century-can-make/">Quiche Moraine</a></p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Fri, 03/01/2013 - 03:29</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/lost-congo-memoir" hreflang="en">lost congo memoir</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/africa" hreflang="en">Africa</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/congo" hreflang="en">Congo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/efe" hreflang="en">efe</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/zaire" hreflang="en">Zaire</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1451002" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1362177111"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I always love your reminiscences of your African experiences. Another great post.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1451002&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YPl3isjFNaqYUyvA2eMWADwQxoYJL8WgqM1P6Cj5qQ8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gwen (not verified)</span> on 01 Mar 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1451002">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2013/03/01/what-a-difference-a-century-can-make%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 01 Mar 2013 08:29:41 +0000 gregladen 32556 at https://scienceblogs.com King Leopold’s Soliloquy https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/02/28/king-leopolds-soliloquy-2 <span>King Leopold’s Soliloquy</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I first became aware of, and read, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0717806871/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0717806871&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=grlasbl0a-20&amp;linkId=91bd4a3db2387261510deb1664977f68">King Leopold's Soliloquy</a><img src="//ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=grlasbl0a-20&amp;l=am2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0717806871" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />, which is not his soliloquy but a parody of what he might say according to Samuel Clemens, while doing fieldwork in the ex-Belgian Congo. That is where the real story that inspired the essay took place. I lived in an area that at one time had a few a plantations, but the plantations only existed briefly and are now long gone. The "road" through this area was passable only with a very tenacious four wheel drive vehicle (we had a Land Rover) and grew worse every year. But the road at one time was excellent. </p> <p>I knew a guy, an older Efe Pygmy man, with one leg. When I first arrived in the Ituri Forest I was shown by my colleague an abandoned camp that a group of Efe Pygmies has only recently been living in, and told "everyone in this group lived here but the old man and his wife ... he's a bit contentious and there was an argument." Having read all the literature written in English about Pygmies, I was aware of the fact that these foraging people, who moved frequently -- perhaps ten times a year or more -- would often change the composition of their residence groups to reflect forming and breaking alliances among people who often, but not always, lived together. After hanging out in the camp long enough for my colleague to collect some data, we went back to the road via a different path and passed the old man, Kobou (pronounced "Ko-bo-oo"), and his wife in a small clearing in a freshly cut garden. "Strange," I thought, "They live in a square hut. Everyone else lives in a dome-shaped hut. I guess some Efe live in square huts."</p> <p>But no. Kobou is the only Efe I ever came across to always build square huts. Maybe somewhere else in the Central African Rain Forest, but not around these parts.</p> <p>Thin, old, bearded, fierce eyes contagious laugh and one leg. Kobou<sup>1</sup> was the father of one of my main informants. Kobou would come by the research base camp whenever I was there, more or less daily. He'd sit in a chair and chill for a while, then we might chat about one thing or another. Then he'd say "I've come to get my plantains" or "I've come to get my mohogo" or "I've come to get my [fill in the blank with something to eat that we had growing in our fields]". The base camp did have a rather large garden, and the main purpose of the garden was so that Kobou and a handful of other Efe could come by now and then and claim some of the food.</p> <p>"You'd better cut your plantains, then," I'd say. </p> <div style="width: 282px;float:right;"><a href="/files/gregladen/files/2013/02/67340-1987-x-040-535x590.jpg"><img src="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/02/67340-1987-x-040-535x590-272x300.jpg" alt="Kobou and I hanging around in the Harvard Ituri Project base camp. " width="272" height="300" class="size-medium wp-image-16031" /></a> Kobou and I hanging around in the Harvard Ituri Project base camp. </div> <p>More often than not he'd reply, "I did already," pointing with his bearded chin to some big bunch of plantains at the edge of the clearing. Then he'd speak to a child or other handy person in KiLese (the local language) and that person would drag the food over to Kobou. Kobou would then pull out some vines he always seemed to have handy and create a tumpline strap or other carrying device incorporating the plantains or other food item, stand up on his one leg, grab one of his hand-fashioned canes, attach the food to himself, and grabbing the other cane head off to his camp. Unless his wife was with him, then Mrs. Kobou would carry the food.</p> <p>Kobou had lost his leg to a snake. He had been bitten by a full grown Gabon Viper. The Gabon Viper is one of the scariest of snakes. It's head is huge, it's body very stout, and it's venom is the richest venom known in a snake, both neurotoxic and haemotoxic. </p> <p>When my friend was bitten by the snake, he was driven by someone from a nearby plantation to a hospital, to have is leg cut off, which was the only way to save his life. In the days I lived there, this drive required many many hours (or a day or two), and would beat the hell out of the truck. But in those days, they were able to drive him there in a few hours. At 120 kpm, it would have been a two or three hour drive. </p> <p>But the reason that the road was so good is because of the sort of policy satirized in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1148505695/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1148505695&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20">King Leopold's Soliloquy</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1148505695" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />. In those days, a Belgian Colonial Administrator would drive a vehicle at 100 kilometers per hour down this road with a glass of water on his dashboard. Wherever water spilled form his full glass, he would stop, and his agents would beat and/or maim the nearest villagers. This encouraged the villagers to keep the dirt road in perfect condition by constant attention to any rivulets or potholes, using hand labor and simple tools.</p> <p>Eventually, the revolution came, in it's own way, and the Belgians, guilty of a decades-long holocaust, got their due. They were burned to death in the buildings they hid in, they were shot, strangled, and drowned, and a few got away. </p> <p>At a later time, I stayed in one of King Leopold's mansions. Well, not really. We kept some of our stuff in the mansion. The mansion had no roof, and was filled with birds and bats, and their guano. It was better to stay in a tent, outside, even though one would risk being trampled by a hippo or hassled by a hyena. This was Ishango, known locally as "The Most Beautiful Place on the Earth." It is. But they should really tear down those old mansions (Two stood there side by side) and neaten the place up just a little. Leopold had mansions here and there across his Congo, though he never actually visited the place. </p> <blockquote><p>I have ruled the Congo State not as a trustee of the Powers, an agent, a subordinate, a foreman, but as a sovereign -- sovereign over a fruitful domain four times as large as the German Empire -- sovereign absolute, irresponsible, above all law; trampling the Berlin-made Congo charter under foot; barring out all foreign traders but myself; restricting commerce to myself, through concessionaires who are my creatures and confederates; seizing and holding the State as my personal property, the whole of its vast revenues as my private "swag" -- mine, solely mine -- claiming and holding its millions of people as my private property, my serfs, my slaves; their labor mine, with or without wage; the food they raise not their property but mine; the rubber, the ivory and all the other riches of the land mine -- mine solely -- and gathered for me by the men, the women and the little children under compulsion of lash and bullet, fire, starvation, mutilation and the halter. </p></blockquote> <p>Leopold did not say that. Clemens puts those words in his mouth as a political and social parody. But it is absolutely accurate; had Leopold said those word he would have been speaking the truth. </p> <p>___________________________________<br /><sup>1</sup>Here and elsewhere, when I write about people in the Congo, I use fake names. There are reasons. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Thu, 02/28/2013 - 03:01</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/africa" hreflang="en">Africa</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/congo" hreflang="en">Congo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/efe-ethnoarchaeology" hreflang="en">Efe Ethnoarchaeology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/lost-congo-memoir" hreflang="en">lost congo memoir</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/efe" hreflang="en">efe</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/king-leopold" hreflang="en">King Leopold</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/zaire" hreflang="en">Zaire</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1451001" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1362178693"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Great story. I wish you would put them all together into a book.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1451001&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1IIstR9cov-Bwl6_etXbaVBU-1bQ6jBuU9jk0Uf7jv8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gwen (not verified)</span> on 01 Mar 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1451001">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2013/02/28/king-leopolds-soliloquy-2%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:01:53 +0000 gregladen 32555 at https://scienceblogs.com “We Live In Little Houses Made of Beans” https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/01/15/we-live-in-little-houses-made-of-beans <span>“We Live In Little Houses Made of Beans”</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/01/13/no-place-to-sit-down-or-why-do-the-efe-let-some-insects-live/">We were discussing insects.</a> What about eating insects? </p> <p>When it comes up that I've lived in the Central African Rain Forest, certain questions often come up, and one of them is: "Did you eat bugs?" </p> <p>Every one has seen those National Geographic specials where some natives somewhere are eating insects, and of course, Westerners who think they generally don't eat insects are fascinated with the idea. However, Westerners eat a lot more insects than they think. You should really consider any processed food you eat that started out as a plant crop to be part insect. If what you are eating is made of any corn product, rice, wheat, etc. or pretty much anything else, consider how the foodstuff got from field to factory to your face. At no point did someone sit down and do what you do with the veggies you buy at the grocery store: take the time to clean them off and if you run into a bug, get rid of it. And, even when you do that to your own produce, you are not seeing some of the invertebrates that are just too small and too well hidden to see. </p> <p>We had a more extreme than usual buggy food situation arise in the Ituri Forest one year. Our practice was to grow some food, and occasionally purchase food from a local market when one existed, but to mostly stay away from the food the local people grew, because we didn't want to be draining away their resources. So, we would go to town every several weeks and purchase a number of long-term staples, including 20 kilo sacks of rice, beans, or other dry foods, a few gallons of palm oil, and to splurge, twenty boxes of pasta and dozens of tiny little cans of tomato paste which we would turn into feeble Italian food. The tomato paste cans always exploded on opening, so one had to learn to aim them into the pot first. But I digress. </p> <p>Once you brought that food back there was no changing plans. If something bad happened to the sack of rice, there would be no rice for six weeks. We kept the food in a special food storage hut, and our cook, a locally hired woman who worked a few hours a day for us, would take very good care of it. All sorts of things can go wrong from leaks in the roof to vermin to mold or rot. </p> <p>And one day something went wrong with the beans.</p> <p>At first we noticed little black spots floating around in the cooked beans. A little later we noticed that among the beans, while cleaning them, there were these little tiny things that would fly away. Then we noticed that some of the beans had little holes bored into them. Eventually, we put two and two together and figured out that we had some sort of infestation. Some small beetle creature had taken up residence in our beans. Their larva would bore a hole into a bean and live there for a while, presumably eating each bean from the inside out. I'm pretty sure both the larvae and adults were doing the boring, but I can't be sure. The way we handled this was to spread the beans out in the sun, and over time a bunch of the beetles would fly away. Then we'd wash off the beans as per usual and some of the beetles left behind, beetle corpses (of which there was an increasingly large number) and grubs would be washed away. But as each day passed, the number of beetles that would end up in the cooked beans went up and up and up, and the efficacy of getting rid of the beetles was obviated by their ubiquity. So we stopped laying the beans out in the sun. At that point we stopped eating "cooked beans" and started eating "cooked beetles and beans" or, for short "B&amp;B". </p> <p>And eventually we discovered that this was not all that uncommon. If you want beans in that habitat, you're gonna get beetles too. Its just that this particular batch of Beetles and Beans was farther along than usual. Eventually we had to speed up the rate at which we consumed the beans so that there would be some left for us to eat! And, as I recall, the next batch of beans had hardly any beetles in it. </p> <p>Well, I'm sorry to report that you do something like this every day when you eat stuff made out of pretty much any plant, but probably to a lesser degree. When products are made in factories in the US, some sort of test is applied to the powder or juice or whatever the corn or beans or wheat is turned into, to see how much invertebrate (mainly insect) matter is in there. I assume that batches with "too much" are mixed with batches of "not much" to make batches of corn meal, wheat flour, etc. that have under the regulated maximum amount of insect matter. Right?</p> <p>In any event, there is nothing wrong with eating most insects, especially those that eat the foods we eat. Chances are they are low in toxins, and they are loaded with amino acids and other protein related molecules! Here as well as the Ituri, people eat insects all the time in this manner.</p> <p>But of course, that is not what people are really asking me. They want to know if I've ever eaten insects as part of the cuisine. On purpose.</p> <p>Yes, of course I have...</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Tue, 01/15/2013 - 10:30</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/eating-insects" hreflang="en">Eating Insects</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/lost-congo-memoir" hreflang="en">lost congo memoir</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/congo" hreflang="en">Congo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/eating-insects" hreflang="en">Eating Insects</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/ituri-forest" hreflang="en">Ituri Forest</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1450333" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358326688"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Last summer we had an inordinately large number of big black ants, so I took to eating them, testing a theory I have that as an ant is getting crushed by my teeth it sends out warning signals to the other ants to stay away. Results tended to disprove my theory, but I did like the extra 10 grams of free protein a day!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1450333&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1mk6bbCYbFzBFmfNENS-wY62zW4ngk8R46bqW7-8iLA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jeffrey (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1450333">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1450334" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358436542"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Were those cans of "yummy" pilchards available in the markets at that time?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1450334&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZFQpDbF4s6W4t65mBY6uGUvnC3cqMuDFCW45hcVT0PY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lorraine M. Thompson (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1450334">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1450335" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358436672"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There were fish in cans, two kinds as I recall.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1450335&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="VL1dO7L3_Ni0gtXjW8bcwV46UXq2g7m61srowW0kZiw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 17 Jan 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1450335">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2013/01/15/we-live-in-little-houses-made-of-beans%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:30:05 +0000 gregladen 32443 at https://scienceblogs.com Why are some animals rare, and why is this very important? https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/12/12/why-are-some-animals-rare-and-why-is-this-very-important <span>Why are some animals rare, and why is this very important?</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A friend of mine told me this story: As a special forces soldier, a Green Beret, he was alone and traveling through a dense area of jungle in or near Viet Nam during the 1960s. Enemy soldiers were nearby and he intended to pass through their patrol area to arrive at some safe destination, but he fully expected to run into a trip wire, a sentry, or a squadron of hostiles. His rifle was loaded and ready to fire at any moment. </p> <!--more--><p>Suddenly, a figure loomed in front of him. Without waiting for even a fraction of a second, he fired on it with lethal effect. The figure fell to the floor of the jungle. He claims it was an Orang-utan. He tells few people this story because he felt very bad about killing an innocent creature, and because he does not want to be thought of as crazy. You see, there are no Orangs in or near Viet Nam. What we know of the biology of <em>Pongo pigmaeus</em> tells us that they probably did inhabit the region in the past, but were presumably wiped out long ago. Certainly, they were there in the Pleistocene or later, as there is fossil evidence of this (though they were probably a different species or subspecies of the living Orangs). Indeed, the region has a very interesting “cryptozoology” claiming (as such things usually do) that either an Orang-like ape lives there now, lived there recently, or lived there a long time ago but manages to remain “alive” in folklore. (See <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/12/14/encounters-gigantic-orangutans/">Darren Naish’s blog post</a> for related information.) As a person, I trust my friend as an honest and observant individual. As a scientist I have no ‘faith’ in that particular observation. But still … there is an argument that in war torn regions, or in places where certain animals are regularly hunted, they can become very very scarce. Post-war Viet Nam has had its share of creatures being “discovered” much to everyone’s surprise. (But no Orangs!)</p> <p>Here’s another story. I know <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/category/series/congo_memoirs/">an area of the Congo</a> very well. In fact, at one point I knew the landscape and wildlife there better than anyone around, including the locals, because there really weren’t any locals. This region had a healthy elephant population back in the 1950s. A colleague of mine who worked there then has photographs of a herd of elephants dismantling his base camp. They removed and partially ate the grass roof of a building used to store food, then they ate the food (mainly plantains and roots) that was stored therein. But when I worked there it was well known by the local conservation officers and others that the elephants had been shot out soon after independence in the 1960s and that they had not returned. </p> <p>But, as I say, I knew this landscape well. One of the things I was doing was finding and mapping animal movements as indicated by their spoor, including animal use of “trails” that would form after habitual reuse. I had done this elsewhere, including in areas where elephants were common, and I was well aware of what both elephant spoor and elephant “trails” (which are actually quite rare but fairly distinctive) looked like. I located a set of likely elephant trails that were out of use, presumably left-overs form bygone days when elephants habitually crossed a river in that area. The trails by which they gained the plateau next to the river were distinct, but grown over and not even used by the local hippos. There were even large tree branches and trunks fallen across the trails. </p> <p>Then one day conditions changed. With the change in seasons and time of year, several dozen scientists and their locally hired helpers left the area at the end of a major expedition. Over the next few weeks, the behavior of many of the animals changed. With only five of us left in a remote camp (we intended to spend a couple more months there) animals that had been scarce in our immediate environs became more common. It actually became quite dangerous. Going to our widely spaced (for privacy) tents from the common area where we cooked and ate our food, after dark, involved a high probability of running into a dangerous creature such as a buffalo, a hippo, or a lion. After a few close calls, we took to driving the hundred meters or so from kitchen to tent, one person dropping off the others along the way. Fear induced car pooling. </p> <p>After a few weeks I returned to the area where the old elephant trails were located. The trail was trampled down and there were many signs of damage to the vegetation in the area. The large branches were pushed aside. Large prints led form the trail inland a few hundred meters, where a group of fruiting trees were ripped up, much of the fruit harvested. Elephant dung lay around the area. The signs that a small herd of elephants had emerged from the river to feed on these trees were unmistakable. Across the river was an area of park that was not used by anyone and not accessible by vehicle. The only way to get in there was to climb through an impenetrable forest from a height <a href="http://gregladen.com/blog/sungudogo/">hundreds of feet above the river valley</a>, or to cross the river on a boat such as our Zodiac (as we had done a few times in our research). Apparently, elephants were living over there, undetected, and under conditions of significantly reduced human activity had crossed the river one night to have a snack. </p> <p>Later, I observed the same thing again; I can’t say how often the elephants visited our side of the river, but the spoor accumulated indicating that they had made at least a few forays. It turns out that elephants were living on a landscape where even the local conservation officers were certain they did not exist.</p> <p>Since then, the area has been ravaged by war and most of the large game has been harvested by marauding armies and poachers. Just so you know.</p> <p>As a person who has spent a lot of time sitting quietly by myself in the middle of a remote forest or other wild land, I can tell you more, but I won’t. You get the point. I will tell you, though, that I never saw a Bigfoot or any sign of one!</p> <p>These stories relate to one of the topics covered in a book that is coming out in a few weeks: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1610911954/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1610911954&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20">The Kingdom of Rarities</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1610911954" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> by Eric Dinerstein. Dinerstein is the Vice President of Conservation Science at World Wildlife Fund. As a scientist and conservationist, he’s done work with numerous threatened animals and even some plants, around the world. You might know of his book (about rhino rescue and conservation) “<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0231084501/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0231084501&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20">Return of the Unicorns</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0231084501" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />.” </p> <p>This latest book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1610911954/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1610911954&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20">The Kingdom of Rarities</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1610911954" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> (officially released next month but I think available now) is a collection of essays surrounding the question of commonness vs. rarity among animals. He talks about what makes some species rare, including biological reasons inherent to the species, its ecology, or biology, as well as because of human effects. He addresses a question of interest to palaeontologists: What is the link between rarity and habitat? And, he discusses at length the potentials and problems in conservation of rare, threatened, and endangered species. </p> <p>The book is set up as a story, or a set of stories, and qualifies as “adventure non-fiction” but with a lot of science. Rarity is a trait of certain taxa, worthy of scientific study. That rarity is a feature of some creatures has huge implications for conservation biology. He address this issue at length. </p> <p>This is an excellent example of story telling, nature writing, and science. I think I know who I’m going to give this to for Christmas. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Wed, 12/12/2012 - 04:55</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/congo" hreflang="en">Congo</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/animal-conservation" hreflang="en">animal conservation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cryptozoology" hreflang="en">cryptozoology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/endangered-species" hreflang="en">Endangered Species</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/life-sciences" hreflang="en">Life Sciences</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1449385" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1355307124"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Similar problems drastically reduced animal diversity in northern Thailand during the 60s. Soldiers of both sides had rice and shot a lot of animals as food. A retired zoologist who grew up in this area recalls all the animals of his childhood that now are missing, completely. And here in the USA morons with rifles shoot every wolf that wanders across some arbitrary line on a map. Cougars are now once again in the upper midwest; it's only a matter of time before some yahoo shoots one.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1449385&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jQv_owQ1Lh1sKH73A950ZVidNEb1XOdMiL11fMFvdaw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">The Phytophactor (not verified)</span> on 12 Dec 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1449385">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1449386" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1355309206"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>And cranes. Don't forget bout the cranes</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1449386&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KcI4a_odbBAeiGWP0mTxoW9YijN_5PSalKIHPSlyRpU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 12 Dec 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1449386">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1449387" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1355323623"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Phytophactor -- already happened. A cougar was shot and killed in Bloomington, Minnesota a few years ago. Memorable to me, because I lived just a few blocks away from where it happened. (I have moved since, as my growing family required a larger home.) As I was driving home from work, I passed evidence of some sort of police action, but it looked like all the excitement was over. Next day on the news, I learned the details -- a cougar was in someone's backyard, having come up from the Minnesota River valley via Nine Mile Creek. It's a nice strip of parkland connected to state and national wildlife refuge area. An officer was called by a resident concerned about the big cat, and the officer ended up shooting and killing the animal, which turned out to be a female. (Not lactating, so at least there weren't any abandoned cubs to worry about.) Not sure that quite qualifies as being shot by some yahoo; police officers are generally obligated to put civilians ahead of animals.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1449387&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZY143GbkI9VB8yFWfc3Rss67e8Z1YAHTy-jps3b5VPk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Calli Arcale (not verified)</span> on 12 Dec 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1449387">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1449388" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1355325074"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I would have been peeking out of my window at it, thinking it was amazing to be able to spot one of these elusive creatures in my yard, and wait for it to leave on its own. :(</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1449388&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WpHADXn3mWRoEenSqOWkw1EAbRdtpQJq-VTsoEXKSF8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gwen (not verified)</span> on 12 Dec 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1449388">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field 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about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 12 Dec 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1449389">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1449390" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1355353972"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Give my regards to the Douglas-Hamiltons !</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1449390&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SWAgnwaIUpPGvJw-CNyau0XIzN9mV0Mt0lxlI4jZUIY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Russell (not verified)</span> on 12 Dec 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4465/feed#comment-1449390">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a 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