For Teachers https://scienceblogs.com/ en Climate Smart and Energy Wise https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/09/09/climate-smart-and-energy-wise <span>Climate Smart and Energy Wise</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><a href="http://www.powells.com/partner/41349/biblio/9781483304472?p_ti" title="More info about this book at powells.com" rel="powells-9781483304472">Climate Smart &amp; Energy Wise: Advancing Science Literacy, Knowledge, and Know-How</a> by Mark McCaffrey is a book written primarily for teachers, to give them the information and tools they need to bring the topic of climate change effectively to their classrooms. It addresses the <a href="http://www.globalchange.gov/browse/educators">Climate Literacy and Energy Literacy frameworks</a>, designed to guide teaching this important topic. </p> <p><a href="http://www.powells.com/partner/41349/biblio/9781483304472?p_cv" rel="powells-9781483304472"><img src="http://www.powells.com/bookcovers/9781483304472.jpg" align="right" style="border: 1px solid #4C290D;" title="More info about this book at powells.com (new window)" /></a>The book provides basics on climate and energy, approaches to teaching about climate and energy, and of special interest for teachers, syncing the topics with existing standards. The main point of the book is to get teachers up to speed, but this is not restricted to teachers at a certain level, or for that matter, a certain topic, in that climate change and energy can be incorporated in a very wide range of electives and mainstream classes. The goal of teaching climate literacy is developed by focusing on the "seven essential principles":</p> <p>1. The sun is the primary source of energy for Earth’s climate system.<br /> 2. Climate is regulated by complex interactions among components of the Earth system.<br /> 3. Life on Earth depends on, is shaped by, and affects climate.<br /> 4. Climate varies over space and time through both natural and human processes.<br /> 5. Our understanding of the climate system is improved through observation, theoretical studies, and modeling.<br /> 6. Human activities are impacting the climate system.<br /> 7. Climate change will have consequences for the Earth system and human lives. </p> <p>And, similarly, there are seven organizing concepts for teaching energy:</p> <p>1. Energy is a physical quantity that follows precise natural laws.<br /> 2. Physical processes on Earth are the result of energy flow through the Earth system.<br /> 3. Biological processes depend on energy flow through the Earth system.<br /> 4. Various sources of energy can be used to power human activities, and often this energy must be transferred from source to destination.<br /> 5. Energy decisions are influenced by economic, political, environmental, and social factors.<br /> 6. The amount of energy used by human society depends on many factors.<br /> 7. The quality of life of individuals and societies is affected by energy choices.</p> <p>There is a chapter on countering denialism, and a chapter on mainstream activism. </p> <p><a href="http://ncse.com/users/mccaffrey">Mark McCaffrey</a> is the Programs and Policy Director for these topics at the National Center for Science Education, and this book is an NCSE project. McCaffrey has blogged about the contents of the book on the NCSE blog; his first entry is <a href="http://ncse.com/blog/2014/08/climate-smart-energy-wise-part-1-0015792">here</a>. In his own words:</p> <blockquote><p>...if well presented and handled with creativity and care, climate and energy issues are ideal interdisciplinary and integrating themes, potentially linking the sciences with mathematics, language arts, geography, history, arts, social studies and civics, and at the college level, bringing in psychology, sociology, writing and rhetoric, philosophy, business…. You get the picture.</p> <p>Most importantly, climate and energy are topics that are imperative to teach if we are going to effectively respond to these challenges, and make informed climate and energy decisions.</p></blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.powells.com/partner/41349/biblio/9781483304472?p_ti" title="More info about this book at powells.com" rel="powells-9781483304472">Climate Smart &amp; Energy Wise: Advancing Science Literacy, Knowledge, and Know-How</a> is well written, well laid out, a good read but also an excellent on-the-shelf reference book for educators designing or updating courses. It is coming out later this month and costs only $25.00. A great gift for your favorite teacher! </p> <p>The figure at the top of the post is from the book. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Tue, 09/09/2014 - 15:27</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/climate-change-0" hreflang="en">Climate Change</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/earth-science" hreflang="en">earth science</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/education" hreflang="en">education</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/energy-0" hreflang="en">energy</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/environment" hreflang="en">environment</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/global-warming-1" hreflang="en">Global Warming</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science-education" hreflang="en">Science Education</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/teachers" hreflang="en">For Teachers</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/global-warming" hreflang="en">global warming</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/earth-science" hreflang="en">earth science</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/education" hreflang="en">education</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science-education" hreflang="en">Science Education</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/environment" hreflang="en">Environment</a></div> </div> </div> <section> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2014/09/09/climate-smart-and-energy-wise%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 09 Sep 2014 19:27:03 +0000 gregladen 33309 at https://scienceblogs.com How to not get caught plagiarizing https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/29/how-to-not-get-caught-plagiari <span>How to not get caught plagiarizing</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The blog post you are looking for has moved <a href="http://gregladen.com/blog/2017/10/how-to-not-get-caught-plagiarizing/">TO THIS LOCATION</a>. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Tue, 11/29/2011 - 01:14</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/teachers" hreflang="en">For Teachers</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/plagiarism" hreflang="en">plagiarism</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442211" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322549129"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It's also plagiarism if you take the idea(s) of someone else even if you do not use the same words. I'm not sure where I heard that before. Although this issue may be trickier at the high school level (and even early college), because it is probably difficult to for students to know which ideas are common knowledge and which require citation.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442211&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="0teoR05107MEVJVwaj0-GJSIqEFC6eDcpatMPUv-djs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://angrybychoice.fieldofscience.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lorax (not verified)</a> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442211">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442212" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322551137"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Good point. I should add that in to the post. It is easy to focus on the blatant cut and paste and forget this.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442212&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="z5EyJhA6lQmooDG2PrO44do2lt71IBWuJFe3SbtnoX8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442212">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442213" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322557014"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This is like, "the surefire way to not get caught cheating by your wife: don't cheat!" Great post! I tell my students that I don't care /how many/ citations they have (for the upper limit), if their writing contains a citation every few sentences, /that's awesome/. I tell them to look at the science journal articles that they're using for their research, if you eliminated all non-original work in those articles, they're'd be practically nothing, so it's basically impossible for a student to over-cite. I've never heard of it in fact.</p> <p>I also like that you specifically addressed the issue of having poorly organized research notes. A student should /especially/ be punished when they plagiarize because of that, they /need/ to develop good note taking techniques. I recently saw some scans of C. Darwin's notebooks (I believe this was the Red notebooks in particular) and he'd actually strike-out entire sections as he used them, /that's/ discipline!</p> <p>Also, on plagiarism being obvious, it's funny you mention this because our campus has gone through a bit of a process to get "plagiarism detecting software" and push it's use on us. And yet, I don't think I've heard of a single student being bounced out because of plagiarism. Guess we only have super honest and diligent students (see, they exist, they're just all here!).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442213&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5PVWH2KB2K75AsjgkY_LSeYtvUbqE5AqO-e4l1uQq5w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Schenck (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442213">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442214" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322558465"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If plagiarism is such a bad thing--and I am not disagreeing--how can so-called reputable academic journals get away with it. I am thinking of Lior Shamir's situation but cannot afford the Chronicle subscription to discover just which journals are the co-conspirator offenders. I have been plagiarized myself but Canada makes it difficult: I have to hire a lawyer in that country and sue there--I do not have the funds.<br /> I always stress that ideas must be documented as well as their expression--unless the idea is one's own. I have seen passing few original ideas since I began teaching a half-century ago. I stress that appeals to common knowledge require documentation that the ideas are common knowledge. It is easier for the writer simply to document a source than to document the existence of "common knowledge" as several students have found to their dismay.<br /> One spent weeks doing so and failed because he did not have enough time to finish the paper adequately; his colleagues were smarter and picked a source to cite, ignoring any "common knowledge."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442214&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="p8RpsIeVIgARRRktRJq67TeyzWu94Xqc4SGtK0K60l4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Scott Catledge (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442214">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442215" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322561107"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hey, I had an entire chapter of an archaeological contract report, addressing side notched points from the Esopus river region of New York State, lifted and published almost word for word as an article in Man in the Northeast by Charles Fisher. Chuck was a friend of mine but his wife, Karen Hartgen of Hargen Associated forced him to do it. That was a long time ago, but it was still a serious academic crime. I never said much publicly about this to avoid embarassment to Chuck but now that he is dead, I don't really care. He is already remembered as someone totally controlled by Karen. But I digress... </p> <p>I don't entirely get the logic of "if it is so bad why do people get away with it, for example..." because the examples are people who did not get away with it!</p> <p>But you are right, it is amazing that this occurs at the professional level. On the other hand, college policies and new high school policies will hopefull reduce this in the next crop of scholars. </p> <p>One of the famous cases was a neuroscientist who wrote a piece for scientific american that turned out to be full of text from other sources. He claims, and this is supported by his long time secretary/assistant, that he write the SA piece by writing up his lecture notes, which were in turn originally transcriptions of various written sources that he would refer to (but not read) when he gave lectures, and that these notes over the years were typed up by his secretary as they aged and got ratty. Somewhere along the line the original attributions were lost and he forgot that they were direct quotes.</p> <p>He still lost his position as director of the top neuroscience institution in the world.</p> <p>And I was thinking exactly of this fact when I wrote this post: Assume that scientist really didn't intentionally steal other people's work; The fact is that other people's work was published under his name. It does not matter if you run over the puppy on purpose or back over it in the driveway by accident; The puppy is still run over. By keeping track of sources religiously this can be voided. The puppy lives.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442215&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zQRQONw2TrefxeCpRwXnk_kztIoZAM1u1s424L6N9Ws"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442215">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442216" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322561565"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>OK, I've revised the essay to include other people's ideas.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442216&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XaRNkIZVPgZmbZJURosNaKbe837CSNMSLEwF9TpCuCQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442216">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442217" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322564153"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>If plagiarism is such a bad thing--and I am not disagreeing--how can so-called reputable academic journals get away with it.</i></p> <p>In the past it was often difficult to detect. I was a victim once where I caught the plagiarism because I happened to be a referee on the paper and recognized four paragraphs copied verbatim from one of my own papers; that journal rejected the manuscript, but the authors submitted it to a different journal whose referees did not notice the plagiarized text. I also found a case by pure luck: I thought to myself, "Hasn't a version of this figure been published before?" and on doing a short literature search found the exact figure in a paper which had no authors in common with the manuscript I was reviewing (which did not declare the figure's publication history). But often plagiarism went undetected.</p> <p>That situation is changing: Some publishers now use plagiarism detection software (similar to what universities use) to flag blocks of similar text. It is up to the editor's discretion whether the similarities constitute plagiarism (the software will often flag common or technical phrases which might have been copied accidentally or which must be copied exactly; e.g., most journals in my field require authors to supply paper titles in the reference section).</p> <p>I have also seen cases of inappropriate referencing: some authors cite secondary instead of primary sources, where said secondary sources clearly identify the readily available primary source (I have also seen citation chains go three or four levels deep to reach the primary source). Not exactly plagiarism, but it has the same effect of depriving credit to the original source.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442217&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="QnUIZLovqmCouJrxv8iCG03IgNDRW-rK-OLqSciogKs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442217">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442218" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322566451"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Plagiarism has been around a long time, and the Internet has made it easier than ever to copy and paste. But even with the rise of technology, people are still getting away with it. Yes, technology has helped bring awareness that it is indeed a very big problem, and make it more difficult for people to get away with it. But the bottom line is that people don't know what they are doing wrong, they are lazy or don't have the time to do their own work, which makes it necessary for institutions and publishers to have to "police" submitted work. The real root of it is the need to educate students when they are learning to write papers so that they know what to do... and what not to do.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442218&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rVOz8QW7BQtPkp4YAXmub3ockCgPUbOANMkZYVyJfGQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.writecheck.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jessica G (not verified)</a> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442218">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442219" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322579072"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Back in the 80's when I worked for the US Army Corps of Engineers, construction of Lock and Dam 26R was the major District project. Things were, in fact, cut and paste. We would prepare a document, with boilerplate out of other documents, cut and pasted, and take it to the typing pool. We produced a fair number of documents on other projects which included comments on L&amp;D 25R. </p> <p>I know of an instance where the PhD dissertation of a fairly prominent person in the profession was a word for word translation of a previous PhD dissertation in another language. It happened years ago, not in my field,and was not pursued.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442219&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SI7_i6W5M9Xx4TLfTP76SFqnkH49Ujfyd55-A9v2nmo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jim Thomerson (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442219">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442220" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322581140"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I take the line that if you can't recast the what you've read (researched) into your own words, you haven't understood it properly.</p> <p>So for me, the problem with students plagiarising isn't that they're trying to lie to the teacher, it's that they haven't absorbed the information.</p> <p>Plagiarisation after graduation is more serious, of course.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442220&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MI9FLzaPuGYh6FBlhiiyE2RgHnuYnEudpZJWDeMf__A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Kapitano (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442220">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442221" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322588169"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"In other words, when you plagiarize something, it is always spotted immediately."</p> <p>So true...</p> <p>I am suddenly reminded of the heavily dyslexic student I had who suddenly started turning in extremely well written essays. Typing the first sentence into google got me the original.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442221&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="b2JpI8GuVrl7VL9GFQVPQzyfYWcJj2PvGf3DS4Gv7Q8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Robert (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442221">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442222" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322605686"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>"In other words, when you plagiarize something, it is always spotted immediately."</p></blockquote> <p>Except when it isn't. You have no idea how often it goes undetected so it is a leap of faith to say it is always spotted immediately. </p> <p>What is spotted immediately is the sloppy plagerism. Fonts suddenly change, they forget to take out little asterisks or footnote symbols, sometimes first person becomes multiple persons (we, our team), writing style changes drastically, spelling and grammar go from sloppy to perfect. In that case I'm more annoyed that they think I wouldn't notice...or are so apathetic about my class they don't even bother trying to do a good job. Either way, they won't last in class. (not that I teach any more...went back to the field).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442222&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="b4qHarQKrE0I1YCH9OeFnV29FfNyE88JNuD9eI4el64"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Daniel J. Andrews (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442222">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442223" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322606426"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Daniel, no, that is not true at all. It is all easily spotted. There is no leap of faith here. </p> <p>I've conferred with colleagues and from their experience and my experience there is no difference between looking and seeing it vs. the results from systematic sampling with google or running it through turnitin. </p> <p>This is a science blog. We do not make leaps of faith here!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442223&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1_r-HatHHMcjh386vqH-WCF9d64Y3_LSd30kOhWkNZs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442223">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442224" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322626960"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"This is a science blog. We do not make leaps of faith here!"</p> <p>bullshit </p> <p>telescopes listening for signs of life in the universe, Voyager's golden records (yeah, that's definitely not a leap of faith lol), SETI - all these are a mixture of science and faith </p> <p>and as for plagiarism ?<br /> teachers and academic institutions are full of crap: the very fact that you can plagiarize yourself is ridiculous </p> <p>if you write a paper for one class, you should be able to make a few modifications and turn in the same paper for another class, but no, that's plagiarism - BS !</p> <p>and as for stupid comment that said "if you can't put something you've read into your own words, then you haven't researched it enough", well that's just dumb </p> <p>if an author explains something well and gets the meaning across with simple, clear examples and very few words, I'm expected to make the explanation more complicated because I can't use his words ?<br /> that's just stupid </p> <p>the ONLY reason teachers get upset about plagiarism is because getting published is how they get promoted </p> <p>They don't want other people getting promoted from their hard work. </p> <p>That's a fair and valid point.</p> <p>But nobody in the real world gives a shit about what stupid papers you've written. All they care about are actual results that make money or that you can do the job. Getting published accomplishes neither of these.</p> <p>Getting published doesn't make you a better nurse or medical doctor or pharmacist. Yet they are all required to do research and they pretty much have to be published to be hired because somehow this idea of research = competence has infected the real world.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442224&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2APqWeghKw90gNXTvfqFJsvkg6fraQt4oQ4JVBNYxRg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bluebooger (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442224">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442225" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322639053"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><em>and as for stupid comment that said "if you can't put something you've read into your own words, then you haven't researched it enough", well that's just dumb<br /> if an author explains something well and gets the meaning across with simple, clear examples and very few words, I'm expected to make the explanation more complicated because I can't use his words ? </em></p> <p>But see? You just did that, so what's the problem?</p> <p>Anyway,yes, there are no doubt times that you should use the perfect formed paragraph of an author to get that author's point across. </p> <p>It is called an attributed quote. If you use the author's words and don't indicate it is a quote and attribute it, you are a thief. </p> <p><em>the ONLY reason teachers get upset about plagiarism is because getting published is how they get promoted<br /> They don't want other people getting promoted from their hard work.<br /> That's a fair and valid point.</em></p> <p>We are mostly talking about high school teacher here, so, no.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442225&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BMkBUUdJvWMvyNnZ6Ia4bXpec7zM2NCcqhm3wpmDz94"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 30 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442225">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442226" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322660201"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A teacher of my acquaintance works in a department with a large number of Asian students. He hasn't mentioned any population in particular, but he sometimes mentions the troubles he has keeping some from plagiarizing because in their culture, it is a compliment to the original source to be quoted even without citation. </p> <p>It's extra upsetting because he knows he has an obligation to report them, but if he does so they will be expelled and sent back to their home countries. I think usually freshman or students who have just arrived in America get more leniency from him - he'll talk with them and explain the problem - and probably an F or double-F on the assignment. The longer they've been at his institution, or if he's caught them before, he will report them.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442226&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Zam-eE4hdg6RqEGAR49ohTW_qJozHUdQYdN-LXVmCT8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">EmuSam (not verified)</span> on 30 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442226">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442227" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322677978"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><b>"Telescopes listening for signs of life in the universe, Voyager's golden records (yeah, that's definitely not a leap of faith lol), SETI - all these are a mixture of science and faith" </b></p> <p>I'm with you on that one - my daily research is a leap of faith. I'm hoping that my line of research is actually going somewhere. But the science is science, and should be no matter what I hope.</p> <p><b>"teachers and academic institutions are full of crap: the very fact that you can plagiarize yourself is ridiculous. If you write a paper for one class, you should be able to make a few modifications and turn in the same paper for another class, but no, that's plagiarism - BS !"</b></p> <p>On this topic, it's something I'm learning myself. In science publications, the article that has been published by Nature or Science or any other journal belongs to the journal, not to the authors, legally. By submitting the article for review and publication, you are allowing the journal to protect your rights (by giving those rights to them). So if you want to talk about something you've already done, you have to cite yourself, or risk the anger of the journal. </p> <p>In class, I assume it's the same way: by turning in an assignment in my chemistry course, that paper will be "reviewed" by the professor and will become the property of that class. I can't then turn around and submit that same or similar paper to an other class without first getting permission of both teachers - aka, citing my previous paper.</p> <p><b>"the ONLY reason teachers get upset about plagiarism is because getting published is how they get promoted They don't want other people getting promoted from their hard work. That's a fair and valid point. But nobody in the real world gives a shit about what stupid papers you've written. All they care about are actual results that make money or that you can do the job. Getting published accomplishes neither of these. Getting published doesn't make you a better nurse or medical doctor or pharmacist. Yet they are all required to do research and they pretty much have to be published to be hired because somehow this idea of research = competence has infected the real world." </b></p> <p>And this is the argument of yours I most disagree with (aside from the idea that <b>"that's just dumb"</b>, and <b>"that's just stupid"</b> are valid arguments). If you publish a paper in a journal, everybody else who publishes on similar topics cares what you're doing. And so does the government or who ever else you convince to fund your research. The point of publishing is to communicate your research. Communicating your results is how people find out what you've been doing in your lab. And if nobody finds out what you're doing, you can't get funded for further research. No funding, no job. AKA, publish or perish. </p> <p>We also publish because that's how our peers can review our work - how well-reasoned it is, how clearly we can explain ourselves, and whether there are any flaws in our experiments or theoretical designs. In theory, peer review is how 'bad science' gets weeded out, so if you get published, that is a gold medal for doing good research (especially if you get published in a top journal).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442227&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BRfLaXXfBIfKSwgHJZj86emg1awe0WLKPve8Fb6055U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jana (not verified)</span> on 30 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442227">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442228" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322686256"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I am a co-author on a paper that's in press; however, my contribution was a few paragraphs of text and many of the figures. I wrote an MS thesis on a related subject; I went back, re-read the primary author's introduction to the paper, and was hopelessly dismayed. His introduction could mostly do duty as mine, and he's a far more eloquent writer than I am -- how was I to write my own introduction, without plagiarizing, and come up with something nearly as good??? But after thinking about it for awhile, trying to set the stage for my own arguments, I did end up with something quite different.</p> <p>By golly, if I can do it without plagiarizing, anybody can. No excuses.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442228&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mDxILqBS6szZM_K7HqbBkUNUtPdyOjMxpmjJt-sVo_4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Karen (not verified)</span> on 30 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442228">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442229" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322687500"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Plagiarizing co-authors within the same paper is an entirely different matter.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442229&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FjL_5nM22WfnSsGddhJVkvgDjkKJN372MjvIzXhk2n0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Greg Laden (not verified)</a> on 30 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442229">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442230" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1334234521"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I just wanted to say i know a lot of people who have been copying for years without anyone noticing... but it comes at no suprise to me... its as easy and safe as downloading copyrighted movies from piratebay.... at least thats my experience... sry for bad english</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442230&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="AnduDdEghKgVy4GZ0bDDQavtgvXmSKrG_fCkeCUAQaU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://nothing" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jonas (not verified)</a> on 12 Apr 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442230">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442231" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1348063493"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There's also an ease-of-use factor... just click a button and there's the song/movie/game/ebook you want within a few minutes, although NetFlix/Steam/iTunes has done well to fill that need.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442231&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WIQUK1r7a6icuQdrSmUby1HBg2kPLHwi3hbKjTBkbGI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.notgetcaughtdownloading.com/faq/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gary Sockwell (not verified)</a> on 19 Sep 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442231">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442232" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1368133801"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This is pretty bad advice on how to plagiarize. I'll just pay a website to write my essay for $10.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442232&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ABRgc3EVaq52_kkudH6MqZwro0VGLMP0lHUsGIrl840"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">William (not verified)</span> on 09 May 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442232">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442233" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1379850052"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I teach intermediate composition (preparation for Comp. 101) for ESL students at a community college, and plagiarism is a concept many of my students find confusing. Having come out of many different educational systems, they may have been used to writing down exactly what a teacher says in a lecture and then repeating those words on an exam. Also, they may have been used to copying examples of good writing in order to learn how to write well. Each semester, I spend one class period explaining what plagiarism is and showing my students examples from student writing. I also stress that the writing assignments I give do not require consulting outside sources; my job is to help students learn how to write a paragraph in standard academic English. Indeed, if my students feel compelled to search for information to help them write, they have chosen the wrong topic.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442233&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jH_e0JK99Ti7HCB95f5cTdc5-aaqJTXuqmILqF1eFd4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Carol Kangas (not verified)</span> on 22 Sep 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442233">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442234" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1383128296"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Great post! I'm sad I only found this just now. I think I will use your PDF to hand out to my students at the beginning of next semester. Thank you.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442234&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="lo33LJUj_Od0uTw4FS8c8vfQyiqnUwRUCq7KFyCwx6I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Stephanie Garber (not verified)</span> on 30 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442234">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442235" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1391469085"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>What are you talking about. I am in Stanford University just because I have plagiarized in my entire life and still do because I know to get a job, only networking matters not this academic shit.</p> <p>Cheater</p> <p><a href="mailto:shdydh56@gmail.com">shdydh56@gmail.com</a><br /> 108.205.50.54</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442235&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uTNxfCIjsjA3u1-5Yjhq7ikyUEvuS9vkTQ50hZAviPA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Cheater (not verified)</span> on 03 Feb 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442235">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442236" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1393987466"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My calculus professor told me a story of a very blatant instance of plagiarism, person copy and pasted from Wikipedia and didn't even bother to remove the links.</p> <p>@25 and then get fired for incompetence. Have fun!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442236&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Z0-mkEBa41kdNMmYhhQHn0oXr_xE309CSijPXW9v35U"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sugarfrosted (not verified)</span> on 04 Mar 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442236">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442237" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1396991906"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'd like to point out a few reasons why this is a load of bullshit.</p> <p>You can get caught up in a "plagiarism" charge for forgetting to cite one single thing. You can have a goddamn near perfect paper, but if you forget that one thing, you're simply screwed. Your whole paper is down the drain. You instantly fail the essay. Furthermore, you quite possibly fail the ENTIRE class - simply because you forgot to cite a single source while every other thing in the paper is properly cited.</p> <p>TO EXTEND THIS EVEN FURTHER, you now quite likely have your name smeared. You have lost credibility in your community as a student. Other teachers will not trust you and grade harder. (Which brings me to another point: many students DO get away with plagiarism because many students DO plagiarize material - it's just that teachers do not go through and carefully check citations for every student. So who's to say that when a teacher decidedly dislikes a particular student that said teacher couldn't go through this student's essays with a much finer comb? Everyone's plagiarizing, but this one student is caught just because the teacher dislikes them.)</p> <p>Don't get me wrong. You should be citing things, you should be giving credit where it's due - BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL. The academic communities goal SHOULD NOT be to make an individual name for each person - no, it should be to SPREAD KNOWLEDGE and make the world a better place because of it!</p> <p>@26, riiiight, if #25 has a job, it's probably nothing to do with actual research requiring citations, dumbass.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442237&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DGFoOpHPP3Xkmhk2edoGyVcV-iniUiX2jAwdxWRQ5Dk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Timbo (not verified)</span> on 08 Apr 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442237">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442238" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1399446502"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>When thousands of students or tens of thousands have written articles on the same subject every year for 15 years or more, how can there <i>not</i> be "plagiarism"?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442238&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Jhxav4AVKGpyZPCQzvGcj9Le-qJj8Nd_BOudzE-JBSE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jaws (not verified)</span> on 07 May 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442238">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442239" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1404559539"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Aaaaaaaah......I use words "language acquasition .........the......" and its picked up as plagiarised!!!!!! When is going to bring down this turnitin site , I cant use "the " too many people use it</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442239&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1SBVTvd48VQ4JFN5JZfga3LvlJI1zYzaZ7B3bOqEIvY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Farzana (not verified)</span> on 05 Jul 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442239">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442240" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1409417352"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>so what would happen if two university students, handed in exactly the same dissertations - one the legit way, of sending it through electronic plagiarism checking software and then handing in the hard copy, and the second only handing in the hard copy with the student name changed without using the software?</p> <p>would the second paper be tested through the software even though no electronic copy had been handed in? or would it just be marked in the usual way with two teachers marking the work individually and then agree on a mark ?<br /> would the teachers be suspicious by reading it? (maybe one of the teachers might remember, but what happens when it could be marked by other random staff members?) even when they have to read over 500 dissertations?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442240&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="cQyuaxsQYVz-2yS-wujK5KUicIKvJg2xFsNwh9uApuQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sam (not verified)</span> on 30 Aug 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442240">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442241" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1409418146"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Nobody has to read 500 dissertations in a term. In any event, most of the time we can tell the work is plagiarized by looking at it. Then, it is very easy to check. Sometimes we work in pairs. One person looks over the text and now and then marks part of it, and the other person types that into the software and we find out if it is taken from another source. The original papers don't have to be electronic to do that. </p> <p>We always know.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442241&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="C6a142VznmgTGxjaf1rPbwYFc38kN8xb9-bUuVRZX5Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 30 Aug 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442241">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1442240#comment-1442240" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sam (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442242" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1409418796"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>i'm mainly talking about plagiarism between students not quotes/paragraphs taken off the internet without crediting. </p> <p>for instance......say if one student handed his dissertation in, and then the another student handed in the same dissertation a couple months later due to being granted an extension. Do you think the teachers would notice without the software even though the original dissertation has already been marked a while ago?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442242&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OnYBvaKiXrqZoEf9Wrt5mp2liCJvFCYPmXBi4QUe3xE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sam (not verified)</span> on 30 Aug 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442242">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442243" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1409433917"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yes.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442243&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KQOvd1EssjjTVEWHNoAf6QlD4irJw5_8jb8qg1wlTwU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 30 Aug 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442243">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442244" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1428876945"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It’s very serious issue. First of all I appreciate your post on this topic. We have to use the right sources like internet and other references to avoid this.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442244&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="agbXmXwVXJLx7-OseOiMJrd5NXs9CV2z47zRfyuM-Yk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ramzy Dell (not verified)</span> on 12 Apr 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442244">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442245" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1431920361"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thank you for this article. Good Stuff! I really enjoyed reading. I will be visiting often and telling my friends about this Hope to read more good articles</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442245&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SbbWwQypjXCJzQmy6vPY0ykL0jgj1ZjTTVbTHS_WAYg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jameslenz934 (not verified)</span> on 17 May 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442245">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442246" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1433341368"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>While I believe that there are good reasons to prevent plagiarism in the academic world, mainly that it is important to create a safe environment for researchers where creativity is encouraged and recognized, I don't think that the issue is the same for high school plagiarism. It's basically like learning to have good habits : at a certain level, it's mostly the students issue. He/she's not stealing the credit of anybody when handing the work in class... Just give it a bad grade and basta.<br /> And it's actually easy to go through the plagiarism testing software... Just download a few of those progranms, test your essay on it. Take the parts that are returned by the program. Go to Google translate, translate them to another language then back to English, a few times. Correct the grammar mistakes.<br /> Repeat the process until clear.<br /> Tough to aim for a good grade like that though haha.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442246&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6oP_iye2KA_L7HAcB4FhvOF_w8fgYHI6ERPyd6njvrw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Bob (not verified)</span> on 03 Jun 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442246">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442247" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1434198980"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Excellent post indeed. Thanks for sharing some very useful tips for plagiarism checking. As you are giving tips for plagiarism so I like to share a very useful tools called Solid SEO Tools. It's an amazing tool for any blogger. It can help you in a top level to satisfy your demand from a super tool. I personally prefer this tool and always advise my friends to use it and now they are doing so. You can try Solid SEO Tools. I'm sure you'll love it after a try on it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442247&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eVsA1TGGlf-obWu8A2vTUPwcMXsprZScYpoMxPoqeGs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mark (not verified)</span> on 13 Jun 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442247">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442248" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1441661367"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>this is supposed to be giude How to not get caught plagiarizing !!! this bull shit is i here all the time ,dont do plagiarism ! !! you idiot wasted my time and data . go to hell man .</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442248&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CfzVxuT6ISWcarVS8jqSF_dthtQQEay3ql3FvVyWhyQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">asfb (not verified)</span> on 07 Sep 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442248">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442249" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1454868098"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>M y son jack is always getting bad grades at school(I'm not married). I talked to his teacher and she said she caught him cheating an a test. he got a zero. I was wondering if you could right something on cheating I need help!!!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442249&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-BkPaqy_AtvtgPcFgNq_Ta2H81RzId5pOHN4hHHus8w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sarah lunburg (not verified)</span> on 07 Feb 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442249">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442250" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1455978684"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>One of the above commentators is right: the best way to plagiarize is to hire someone else to write original papers for you, which is not technically plagiarism but corrupts the evaluation process in the same sort of way. Of course, you take the risk that the person you've paid is selling the same paper more than once. Another related approach is to bribe your professor to do the work for you. This is also quite undetectable. There was a short story by Asimov based on this idea, and in a world where students often have far more (family) money than those who teach them, this is pretty likely.</p> <p>The moral issue isn't so simple, anyhow, because what counts as corrupt depends on what your role is. It's not corrupt to use a spelling checker, or to get someone to check your spelling for you — unless you are a kid taking a spelling test. Politicians can and do plagiarize routinely by using speechwriters, but as long as nobody sues them for copyright breach, this is ethically fine. On the other hand, politicians are not supposed to lie, whereas nobody gives a damn if a student actually believes his thesis, as long as he can argue it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442250&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dm4B0ssz-_6AYBtG4jU-cM33NxbxYl_ySgJYlc1bi7Y"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">John Cowan (not verified)</span> on 20 Feb 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442250">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442251" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1459513328"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I got dinged for plagiarizing because my mom edits my papers. I 100% write them, but then my mom helps with vocabulary and syntax. Apparently there is software that decides a piece is too well written for a 24 year old college student. Unbelievable.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442251&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ea34evjfsZ3QcqmtfUNqkZAPnkMLPxylzhZLjPCYud0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">RD (not verified)</span> on 01 Apr 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442251">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442252" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1469257048"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yep, it would have been helpful for Melania Trump to read this article before the epic speech :))</p> <p>Anyways, that's a great article. Plagiarism now-days is a hot topic and we all need to be careful with our words, especially in public speeches. If anyone need to check their speech for plagiarism use - <a href="https://noplag.com/">https://noplag.com/</a> plagiarism checker.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442252&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="W31Ii4UxlChEz9aapePtKz_xK7K7xKZeceqcv47W34A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anthony (not verified)</span> on 23 Jul 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442252">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442253" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1469960498"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Greg, I just found your fascinating blog today while researching Five Lined Skinks. Now I've been reading multiple topics for hours. I just want to say I love your candor! On your #5 comment regarding Chuck and the domineering spouse; hysterical! There's a foot fungus post where someone lashed out at you. I found nothing "harsh" or incorrect in your replies whatsoever. But then no good deed ever goes unpunished. I for one appreciate your knowledge and wisdom, mostly deep gratitude for taking the time to help and enlighten us. You rock!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442253&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Vts_288DC-xpBB9mH5RTW9n7yYgbTYf9FCqSpTW4p3w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Laurel LaFlamme (not verified)</span> on 31 Jul 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442253">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442254" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1490858051"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I was accused of playgerizing a term paper. I used 3 sources of research. Turn It In showed two other research sites that were plagerized but I didn't even use those sites. When I asked my teacher how could I be accused of playgerizing from a source or sources that I didn't use the teacher said because the sites I did use most likely plagerized from the sites I didn't use. Is this the procedure educational institutions use?....how can I have control over a sited reference that plagerized other sources?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442254&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KD8Vt2Mlt1dWa5gkDhci_JzE7vbIya-oNkqmKk5t5T4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Barry (not verified)</span> on 30 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442254">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442255" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1490858337"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sounds like your paper had text close to word for word copied from a site, and that information was not properly put in the context of a quote or a citation.</p> <p>Is that the case? You should go back to your teacher and get a clarification on this, because if a) you think you did not do something wrong but a) you actually did plagiarize, then you need to straighten that out before it happens again.</p> <p>If your teacher is wrong, take it to a higher authority and get your grade back!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442255&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="n6LisaTE5eT_1RKtdVGVJ5hRlPZ1E-03uaExeTQzvmQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 30 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442255">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1442254#comment-1442254" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Barry (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442256" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1490925909"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I just love this part:<br /> "Don’t do it.<br /> Don’t seem to be doing it, and for that, I have some actual helpful advice."<br /> Thanks for a great article!<br /> Also, helpful tool to check plagiarism [LINK DELETED]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442256&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MGyanzn6MRqN0ewWkJYmP3iKb6RhAxTHNNYdNZ2na-M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Grace (not verified)</span> on 30 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442256">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442257" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1491026926"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Grade, I deleted your link because I don't want to send students to a place where they will just get into more trouble.</p> <p>No, using a machine or a consultant to "paraphrase" your work is still cheating. Shame on you.</p> <p>Which I'm sure rolls right off your back because you are not a real person. But I do appreciate the opportunity to point out to folks reading this thread that the paraphrasing services do not get you away from plagiarism. Paraphrasing still may be plagiarizing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442257&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mdnTqPX_jYdrrKxR8MDA4QELiHHyri5XXXIzUS2qMAI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 01 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442257">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1442256#comment-1442256" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Grace (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442258" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1491547976"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Um... how about citing the ideas that you used from the comments in your essay? Someone would have to read the comments to understand that those ideas were suggested by someone else. Is that irony? :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442258&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ApLrvGONT7PbBTbYfPo2OpHqbNeVEZgh1dvuB_SG1Kw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sir Essly (not verified)</span> on 07 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442258">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442259" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1491552751"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sir Essly, </p> <p>I wrote this essay before I read the comments on it. Because the comments didn't exist yet. </p> <p>Time. It goes that way.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442259&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9tAivYQfD42nFKTmBQZBETQh_FWHPgKV3EYXyd1Az6c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 07 Apr 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442259">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1442258#comment-1442258" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Sir Essly (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442260" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1498626893"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Most people cheat for fear of failure, being lazy lack of self confidence and bad time management. It is unfortunate if one does it by mistake and then gets caught. This is a great post.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442260&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HcWXYdOQAJoayIns-jrXvczlCF9qSdOtfAXAWwnpu7M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rahab Mumbi (not verified)</span> on 28 Jun 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442260">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442261" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1498724379"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Totally agree with the Cheater. In the modern professional world, everything can be plagiarized, but not networking. That's why this skill becomes #1 must have for any adult person, whose job is at least somehow connected with people. I cheated by myself a couple of times, but I've never been caught because of real pros who kindly sold <strong>[link to a paid for plagiarism site deleted because this comment is essentially spam]</strong> for me. The modern world is an ocean, and the who has sharpest teeth wins. And it just doesn't matter how you get them: you grew them by yourself or somebody just sold it to you. That's what I'm talking about, and the main point is that plagiarism isn't a bad thing. The bad thins starts when people get caught on it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442261&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xhlIxv06rTnBPP3qiakAdk0RXTiMNV5B9IQM0D1bVRg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Imogen Wright (not verified)</span> on 29 Jun 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442261">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442262" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1498725785"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If you had been my student, Imogen, you would have been caught. You probably were caught, but since you echew learning, you were not smart enough to know that the teachers were simply tired of your bullshit and let you go.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442262&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="VCTL7-KKc6e3C-ULfHNDmjJk5ArVXe-E0WNmMXbPlu8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 29 Jun 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442262">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1442261#comment-1442261" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Imogen Wright (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442263" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1498726362"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Greg, so she wasn't smart enough to know that you believe the teachers were probably timid, weak and lazy so couldn't be bothered with her?</p> <p>Oh, and just in case there is a word in there that I'm the only one on this blog using...</p> <p>[WARNING: Watch My Language}</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442263&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="udoATbS7Xw1xGS-okSLh99D4bTY3KtH1-MeBPEtKZnk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Betula (not verified)</span> on 29 Jun 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442263">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442264" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1498729163"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>She, who is an ad bot and not a person, was not smart enough to know that networking is key and that by blatantly cheating she destroyed her all important recommendations from the teachers who lost all respect for her. </p> <p>You had used a version of the word "retard" which is a dick move, don't do it again.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442264&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4-8TZYxxTFYzrp6NiKFAbJZNDyZ0mTWjK6cjPxTW59k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 29 Jun 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442264">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442265" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1498729923"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>A "version"?</p> <p>I'm sorry, I don't know what "version" you are talking about since you have never explained it. Hard to know what I'm not supposed to use when others are using it.</p> <p>So this is where you explain the double standard you have when it comes to using certain words. I've already given many examples where others on this blog have used the exact word I used (different version?) never to be challenged by you.... I could give them again if need be, but since it's your blog I'm sure you are aware of the many times the word has been used by others.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442265&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="muaFMbGewkrE4_XvufS_Dw152MjocKeSDci1pixEoI8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Betula (not verified)</span> on 29 Jun 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442265">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442266" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1507218416"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have a question, I wrote a personal story about my place of birth and the land surrounding it plus the dates the things happened, but my instructor call the sentence with dates plagiarism. How can I fix my paper.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442266&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uTBe8N_lUm4I4MJvMJVcYa5rEvoR814z_ExZDkcNqow"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Nancy Perkins (not verified)</span> on 05 Oct 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442266">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2011/11/29/how-to-not-get-caught-plagiari%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:14:54 +0000 gregladen 31259 at https://scienceblogs.com How many cells are there in the human body? https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/28/how-many-cells-are-there-in-th <span>How many cells are there in the human body? </span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The other day, Amanda, who is currently teaching AP Biology, noted that among the various sources she had at hand, including a couple of textbooks, the number of cells that make up human body seemed to range from about five trillion to fifty trillion with a scattering of numbers in between. It is not clear why this number matters but I suppose if we want to impress students with the smallness of cells and the complexity of life it is worth pointing out, and if it is worth pointing out it might be worth getting it right. So, how many are there?</p> <p>I believe the correct answer is in the upper end of the range Amanda cited, and here's why. </p> <p>According to various sources, the following is more or less true:</p> <p>Adult people (for our present purposes) weigh between 60 and 90 kg. (I'm ignoring small populations here because this is mainly for American Audiences.) The amount of bone in a body ... the non-cellular part ... is between 14 and 20 percent. The amount of blood that is not cellular (i.e, that is water) is about 5% of the total body mass. The mass of a typical body cell is about one gram times ten to the negative nine, or one nanogram. </p> <p>... do the math ...</p> <p>I get about 46 to 68 trillion. </p> <p>Bigger people (using these weight ranges) would have a larger proportion of lean mass in bone, and if some off that extra mass in the range of human weights is increased fat percentage, then some of that mass is accounted for by either more fat cells or enlarged fat cells. For these and other reasons, as mass goes up the rate of additional cells goes down, so the higher end of that range is probably an exaggeration. There are other things in the body that need to be subtracted as well, including connective tissue that has very few cells in it, bacteria welcome and unwelcome alike, etc. etc. </p> <p>Which brings us to a comfortable estimate of "about 50 trillion, give or take a few trillion."</p> <p>Is that satisfactory? </p> <p>You can get most of the base numbers <a href="http://www.wikipedia.org/">here</a>, of course. </p> <p>_____</p> <h3 id="otherpostsofinterest:">Other posts of interest:</h3> <ul> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/09/29/how-to-get-rid-of-spiders-in-y/">How to get rid of spiders in your house</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/02/20/why-is-my-poop-green/">Why is your poop green?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/28/how-many-cells-are-there-in-th/">How many cells are there in the human body?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/08/16/harry-potter-goblet-of-fire-plot-hole-filled/">Is there really a plot hole in Harry Potter <em>Goblet of Fire?</em></a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/03/01/how-long-is-a-generation/">How long is a human generation?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/09/01/is-blood-ever-blue-science-tea-2/">Is blog ever really blue?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/29/how-to-not-get-caught-plagiari/">How to not get caught plagiarizing</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/02/29/the-origin-of-the-chicken/">The origin of the domestic chicken</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/08/25/the-three-necessary-and-suffic-2/">What are the three necessary and sufficient conditions of Natural Selection?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/05/22/how-can-i-get-rid-of-foot-fungus/">How do I get rid of foot fungus?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/05/14/should-you-drink-tap-water-or-bottled-water/">Which is better, Tap Water or Bottled Water?</a></li> <li><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/07/16/has-global-warming-stopped-2/">Has Global Warming stopped?</a></li> </ul> <p>Also of interest: <a href="http://gregladen.com/blog/sungudogo/"><strong>In Search of Sungudogo:</strong> A novel of adventure and mystery</a>, which is also an alternative history of the Skeptics Movement. </p> <p>Photo Credit: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/44124348109@N01/1808810025/">jurvetson</a> via <a href="http://compfight.com">Compfight</a> <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/">cc</a></p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Mon, 11/28/2011 - 14:34</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/teachers" hreflang="en">For Teachers</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cells" hreflang="en">cells</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/human-body" hreflang="en">human body</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442182" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1337792737"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks! That's really interesting. I was wondering how scientist calculated the number of cells the average human body contained and I thought they couldn't possibly count it by hand!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442182&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uXXwhgObEVm_kIGj4EcNmLZ0gQjnMi8VrLSR3smNvPQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Shmoo (not verified)</span> on 23 May 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442182">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442183" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322512751"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You're underestimating by a factor of around 20 according to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora">THIS</a> Wiki:<br /> </p><blockquote>Gut flora consists of micro-organism that live in the digestive tracts of animals and is the largest reservoir of human flora. In this context, gut is synonymous with intestinal, and flora with micro-biota and micro-flora. <p>The human body, consisting of about 100 trillion cells, carries about ten times as many micro-organisms in the intestines. The metabolic activities performed by these bacteria resemble those of an organ, <b>leading some to liken gut bacteria to a "forgotten" organ</b>. It is estimated that these gut flora have around 100 times as many genes in aggregate as there are in the human genome.</p></blockquote> <p> I assume from this that the average gut flora cell must weigh only 2%-5% of an average 'human DNA' cell. Is that plausible? </p> <p>I can't quite make my mind up if it's fair to exclude gut flora [&amp; skin bacteria etc.?] from the calculation, but my instinct is that one should not ~ it's almost as essential for our functioning as air.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442183&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="GujQ8OAxmWTLszQzD1eQ06YJLpZJbCW7tTV0usZwgcU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.gravatar.com/michaeljfisher" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael Fisher (not verified)</a> on 28 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442183">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442184" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322512782"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>About 90% of the cells (by number, not mass) in your body are bacteria. And yes, they are part of what makes you, you.</p> <p> --bks</p> <p>p.s. BTW Greg, did you mention the passing of Lynn Margulis last week?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442184&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Iqao2cz7rb6LGhVB-XIGMulo03BSiqBZQnlvidRCA4c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">bks (not verified)</span> on 28 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442184">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442185" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322519607"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>bks, it went without saying that we are referring to the cells of the human body, i.e., mainly somatic sells. The relationship to bacteria may be important, even vital, but we don't count them as somatic cells. They are different. Unless they are Endosymbionts of course! </p> <p>Yes, I did mention LM's passing in a blog post a while back.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442185&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="jfE76FLQTB3IdrvxpDktDDdbgKoLz0J3xyajF6MrTRI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Greg Laden (not verified)</a> on 28 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442185">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442186" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322520065"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Michael: OK, air is essential. Therefore the mass of a human is the weight the scale tells you plus the atmosphere? Oh wait, the O2 in the air comes from plants and algae and stuff. So that must be included as well!</p> <p>I heartily disagree! There are numerous vital, essential links between an organism and other things ... other organisms included. That does not make those other organisms that organism. The gut flora is a "forgotten organ" only metaphorically. We require our gut flora to survive. We require the organisms that convert CO2 to O2 to survive. We require the primary consumers that convert sun and water and CO2 to carbohydrates and we require the intermediate consumers that convert carbohydrates into various other things we need and concentrate minerals etc.</p> <p>I have absolutely no difficulty counting the number of human cells by only counting the (mainly) somatic cells that (mainly) come from division from a fertilized egg. That is a simple biological question. There is no question as to where to draw that line. Counting only somatic cells when asking how many body cells they are (body = soma) is not dissing the gut flora or the other bacteria associated with the human body. </p> <p>Regarding your source, it is interesting that they happen to say 100 trillion cells. This is why I wrote this blog post. We've seen this huge range of numbers.</p> <p>Do you have the data and math to back up the number 100 trillion? I'll be happy to revise. But we're not adding in the gut flora. They will have to make due with a different, but still important, blog post at some other time!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442186&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1ZV8_vuiIogNvO9pPduc31ovUi63gYw-jHLKBna9Eh4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Greg Laden (not verified)</a> on 28 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442186">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442187" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322548247"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I disagree with you Greg. The idea that your microflora is trivially a part of you, as I interpret your algae example, disregards a decade+ of recent research. Besides playing a role in vitamin production and nutrient acquisition, which you note, the gut microflora plays an important role in regulating the immune system. I think the research is showing a much stronger interaction between your flora and your overall health than is generally appreciated. I agree your flora is not the same as your somatic (and germ line) cells, but they play a more direct role in you being you than algae.</p> <p>Question, how much shit is in the gut (by weight) and does this affect on the calculation?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442187&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="V1wF2dpDRXsfqDrc8w5dkCTuPF2y9dysjSqzfWgq01A"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://angrybychoice.fieldofscience.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lorax (not verified)</a> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442187">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442188" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322550242"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Lorax, I certainly do not think microflaura are trivially part of you. There is nothing trivial about it, and I never used the word trivia. The aglae I was talking about btw was the algae in the sea. I really, really don't want to count that as part of the human body. I'm having enough trouble loosing weight as it is! </p> <p>The count of somatic cells is the count of somatic cells. Not of other cells or other things.</p> <p>How many kilos do your bones weigh? What if we weighted the bones and found out they were 10 kilos. Now, did we do that wrong? Bones are nothing without muscle, and in fact, some bones only form if there is muscle and tendon and other connective tissue in a certain location (the sigmoid bones). Therefore, they are non trivially integrated, almost symbiotic with the muscles. So, to answer the question "how much bone is there" we must add in the weight for the muscle or we are doing it wrong.</p> <p>Another way to look at this: How much gut flora is there in the human body? If you can't count the cells in the human body without counting the gut flora cells as part of the body, is the reverse not true? </p> <p>As noted, there is other "stuff" in the body. Bolus, chyme and feces would be "stuff"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442188&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="l_iC72X1260GDoqabPZ_W8PrX_upQKM1Bx6JydFbYpw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442188">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442189" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322578305"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It is clear from context and methodology that Greg was counting the human cells in a human and not including those of other species. That there are large numbers of bacteria associated with the human body is interesting and important, but not relevant to Greg's original post. It is, in fact, reasonable to treat gut contents as topologically external to the body proper. They are in a tube open to the outside at both ends, after all. One often sees the analogy between the gut and the hole in a donut. (At least this was so back in the 20th century.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442189&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TWoe1BCIdJY1eij7MjrPzYRo0lCuG2j8aEGRwJAA7b4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jim Thomerson (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442189">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442190" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322606526"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm with Greg and Jim, intestinal microflora shouldn't be counted as human cells anymore than bacteria on the surface of our skin should be counted. If you think about it, other than the cardiac and anal sphincters sealing it off, the digestive tract is exposed to the environment, the "tube within a tube" body plan.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442190&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="yQN6L285bUDHdqkRWfp3_VGAAPeaj6_Sv_gApD2YBgc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">T (not verified)</span> on 29 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442190">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442191" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322649304"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm not sure about the 1 ng estimate. Larger cells contribute disproportionate amounts of mass and may skew this. Skeletal muscle in particular constitutes large fractions of our total body mass but these cells can run the whole length of a muscle, containing hundreds or thousands of nuclei. More reasonably sized muscle stem cells and fibroblasts also exist in this tissue, but do not make up the bulk of the mass.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442191&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SyDyESuM1u8I9NtA9tZyER7yhNOHqxxsKhe_GrWvYOs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">BaisBlackfingers (not verified)</span> on 30 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442191">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442192" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322653995"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>BaisBlackfingers: good point, but you need to supply some numbers!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442192&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fY2Qc5_0SOFDeCDcvxgLh5yswKEMmPahwAuTeazUtfI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 30 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442192">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442193" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1322679083"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Greg- I don't think anybody has real numbers for the weight of an average muscle fiber- there is alot of heterogeneity based on length from muscle to muscle. I have spotted a few numbers in the 1 ug per mm of fiber length range (ranging from .7 to 1.5) for dry weight, so a little over 3ug/mm hydrated I would guess. I don't know the mean length (parallel to pennation) of a muscle in the human body (any human anatomists care to chime in?) but with those numbers you could do it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442193&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="gkTovhJ3GzrQnZbOAU_8QzSm1nHzOlqfUgYYeAk14JA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">BaisBlackfingers (not verified)</span> on 30 Nov 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442193">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442194" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1323170546"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p><em>But we're not adding in the gut flora. They will have to make due with a different, but still important, blog post at some other time!</em></p></blockquote> <p>I'm looking forward to that post.</p> <p>A couple months ago Popular Science wrote an article saying that <a href="http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-09/fyi-how-much-bacteria-do-people-carry-around">our bacteria collectively weigh 3-5 pounds.</a></p> <p>This Google Answer on <a href="http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/208733.html">Bacteria and Human Body Weight</a> widens the range to 2-9 pounds and cites a wide variety of sources.</p> <p>I'm just as curious about cell count as weight, and particularly interested about the ratio of somatic to non-somatic cells.</p> <p>It would also be interesting to know more about the ratio of DNA between human and bacterial base pairs. In <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/bonnie_bassler_on_how_bacteria_communicate.html">her TED talk on quorum sensing</a> Bonnie Bassler says it is 1:100. She also says that the somatic cell count is about 1 trillion.</p> <p>In Lives of a Cell Lewis Thomas pondered a similar question:</p> <blockquote><p><em>My mitochondria comprise a very large proportion of me. I cannot do the calculation, but I sup- pose there is almost as much of them in sheer dry bulk as there is the rest of me.</em></p></blockquote> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442194&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="X-StUKSUArRvZY_kMdLvYsJEu3ej9K941Th7karDRVQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://wildernessvagabonds.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Mike Lewinski (not verified)</a> on 06 Dec 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442194">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442195" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1332965397"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There's to many things to substitute into this equation to give any form of "accurate" estimate, however, that's just my honest opinion.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442195&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CYPGikcdCOxUur97ifN6k-ONqMilVAAtNwLEdISIBAc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Abel (not verified)</span> on 28 Mar 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442195">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442196" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1355852159"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>oh please, that is way over the correct answer. :(</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442196&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="t78uDRQs_Jfby7g9pYr7RKk9-qHoVPZpgfH86LMZQ0I"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">persons (not verified)</span> on 18 Dec 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442196">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442197" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1358231751"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>EXCELLENT JOB!!! luvddddd it &lt;3 :)) :) :D :P</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442197&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zFIR4UTvdnNHqlUwotEn4BaAPXhRNdtLj4UiiAizuwE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rida (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442197">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442198" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1380701572"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>There are 100 Trillion Cells in Human body as i Study ..</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442198&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="L6lEvrbn7BMAxMP4bCm98uEeXn6FhkpdCa_-06P1gME"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Zahid (not verified)</span> on 02 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442198">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442199" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1382687575"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>We cant count the cell</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442199&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4enPMC-ViW1TwNzur-5wqXWh64gR7sZOtIvNW5MOUpI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">rishi kesh (not verified)</span> on 25 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442199">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442200" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1382687749"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Anybody can count cell ? Answer the question please<br /> Ok,</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442200&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="i-nCgJLTkLn9ymXPPVS0ccu4EYYD3U51oQHOctIkJyk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">rishi kesh (not verified)</span> on 25 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442200">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442201" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1382771501"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The cells has more organ like us . example nucleus, ribosome and membrane and still more</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442201&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5FO_W0EDYmkIUWSAp7vsxd96SSXUg6nIUkz_UHdSMWE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">rishi kesh (not verified)</span> on 26 Oct 2013 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442201">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442202" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1390070879"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The best estimated cell numbers should be based on weight of human body and the weight of a single cell of a category to be estimated.<br /> For example if we want to calculate muscle cells in a person . We should know the weight of the person and the average weight of a human muscle cell.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442202&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="t53oVOwk6EIzK0H1zCVdjXtBC006NsqX4Jmw_G2-fLs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Devinder (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442202">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442203" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1404811374"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Turns out a group of researchers set out to accurately estimate the number of cells that comprise the human body (somatic, not microbial or other organisms that reside in/on our body) by more accurate means than simply weight or volume and they found it to be estimated at 37.2 trillion. You can read more about their process on the Smithsonian's website.</p> <p><a href="http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/there-are-372-trillion-cells-in-your-body-4941473/">http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/there-are-372-trillion-cells-i…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442203&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zNUEI6kNJjH5WEt1H9xpbLDm371Vkh4rvLm-nVjS1cA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Josh (not verified)</span> on 08 Jul 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442203">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442204" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1404814153"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks Josh! Clearly I will have to update this post!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442204&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DY3zIB90h0Wow_xmJDAUcMiZJdSDk7LpC22q12h5Aow"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 08 Jul 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442204">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442205" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1411483115"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>how many cell are really in a human body</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442205&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TeNyTZ4N7hiMFCUoDjfDHh0kVnX106vXwddz1M2rDz8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">robin deen (not verified)</span> on 23 Sep 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442205">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442206" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1413974430"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>how many cells are there in the human body just a number of ALL CELLS DUMB</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442206&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nPOlLznzAbpIAcP0W9cfsINwGayDGalTNzy9ryM3YW8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jack (not verified)</span> on 22 Oct 2014 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442206">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442207" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1432341744"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You have really done a good job, but lets try to be very sure of something before we post it. According to (SAB) it is said that all human being has up to 73 trillions of cell in the body. Although you really tried because you almost there. Thanks.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442207&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9O4CuwMhEcvqpfzwaQerP1bEkP5A8F32I8auR7DSulM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wahab Abeeb (not verified)</span> on 22 May 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442207">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442208" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1432358634"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Actually, it is likely closer to 37 trillion according to this:<br /> <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23829164">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23829164</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442208&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NM-p0dxeVqrG45wxgv92oYXZTp2PVgCNIK3lS1VagKs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Marco (not verified)</span> on 23 May 2015 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442208">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1442209" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1456060390"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Coming to this a wee bit late, referred from a 2016 post...<br /> A lot of quibbling could have been avoided if the title of the post had been 'How many human/somatic cells are there in the human body?' I'm on the 'count the bacteria' side because the result is more interesting. Whether the number of human cells is 10 or 37 or 100 trillion doesn't matter much to most of us except for answering a trivia question. ('37.2 trillion' tells you something: that the answerer has a poor under standing of significant figures.) Whether the percentage of human cells is 1 or 10 or 50 tells you something interesting about the human body and opens you to learning about the intestinal flora.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442209&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RppqpUUd2QuzX5tvgRqJ6zXHDV1dQv-NegYlu1pWDZ4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Treesong (not verified)</span> on 21 Feb 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442209">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="31" id="comment-1442210" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1456131982"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Treesong, I actually agree. The human body is made up of cells that originated from a fertilized gamete. All the other cells may be critically important, and the whole relationship is very important, but they are not part of the body, but rather, in a parasitic or symbiotic relationship with it. </p> <p>Indeed, this all does tell us something interesting, but the interesting part is the very fact that these other cells are important yet not part of the body itself. </p> <p>Also, consider the explanatory power that is lost. Across multicelled organisms, across mammals, across primates, across individuals in a given species (i.e, across humans) there may be a great deal of interesting and important viation in how many cells of each type, whether they are symbiotic, parastic, some other thing, etc. Conflating all the cells as part of a given body tends to obscure these interesting questions.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1442210&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SITn8nJNenU3fO4w-EVNfjNaRRF99VvRxD8SNKuI2Cg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a> on 22 Feb 2016 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1442210">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/author/gregladen"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/author/gregladen" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/HumanEvolutionIcon350-120x120.jpg?itok=Tg7drSR8" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user gregladen" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2011/11/28/how-many-cells-are-there-in-th%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:34:32 +0000 gregladen 31258 at https://scienceblogs.com A River Runs By It: Children growing up with science all around them https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/10/06/a-river-runs-by-it-children-gr <span>A River Runs By It: Children growing up with science all around them</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Look at this map, of a small part of the state of Minnesota:<br /> <img src="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/wp-content/blogs.dir/472/files/2012/04/i-549b4bc6c1d95840299a8590a36e04b2-Warren_River_Minnesota_River_Red_Riever_Falls_Glacial_Geology.jpg" alt="i-549b4bc6c1d95840299a8590a36e04b2-Warren_River_Minnesota_River_Red_Riever_Falls_Glacial_Geology.jpg" /><br /> See the wide channel that runs from left to right with the windy river in it? You are looking at one of the most amazing stories in geological history ever. I'd like to tell you about it. </p> <!--more--><p>When not in flood, the meandering river is little more than a slow moving stream in a wide marsh, with thickets and stands of pioneer trees dispersed among reeds and pools of open water. Largely bypassed by farm, rural and urban development, it is in this channel that the state's rare cougars live, and where some of the best birding in the upper midwest can be found. But that's not the interesting part.</p> <p>The steep walls that define the northeastern and southwestern sides of the channel extend far below the marshy surface of the river's floodplain. When people have built large bridges across this channel, where a highway could not simply meander through it, they found that the river sediments were five to eight times deeper than the current depth of the channel. It appears that this sediment filled in the channel after the river that formed it stopped running about 10,000 years ago. Well, it didn't stop, there's still that little trickle you see on the map, which today we call the Minnesota River.</p> <p>But thousands of years ago, it was the Warren River that ran from left to right across this picture, and it was during it's maximum the largest river in the world, carrying more water per minute than any other river. The river was the outlet of the largest fresh water lake that ever existed as far as we know, or at least one of the largest, which we call Lake Agassiz. The lake was formed by a combination of three factors: 1) Glacial depression of the landscape: During the Ice Age, a huge glacier pushed the crust of the earth down so far that as the glacier melted away,water ran into the depression rather than out to sea. 2) Glacial "till" ruined all the natural drainage: As the glacier melted, huge quantities of dirt and rock came out of the ice and covered the land, filling in all river valleys that might have survived the glacier's earlier expansion. It would take time for rivers to cut down through this "till" and re-discover a path to the sea. 3) Ice blockage: As the glacier melted away, large chunks of ice ... mini glaciers and buried blocks of ice with a volume approaching the average lake ... were left behind, many serving for decades or a century or two as dams in the outlets that streams and rivers would eventually use after complete melting.</p> <p>At some point the water in Lake Agassiz found its way out from the lake somewhere around Fargo, North Dakota. The exact outlet is a movable thing: As the lake drained, the land under the lake rebounded from the weight of the disappearing glacier, and the river eroded the outlet, the size and shape of the lake changed dramatically. It may have shrunk and grew several times but on average, it got smaller. Other outlets formed as well, draining Agassiz through Lake Superior and the Saint Lawrence River. But at certain times, water from the largest lake ever flowed through a channel that is today the Red River and the Minnesota River, joining what is now the Mississippi River south of the Twin Cities, and then down to the Gulf of Mexico. </p> <p>I can not verify that the following is true, but it is what I've heard: An archaeologist I knew told me of a whale skeleton in a museum down in the state of Mississippi that was supposedly found in the flood plain in a position and at a level that would indicate that it came down this river from Lake Agassiz. It may be that an early version of Lake Agassiz was part of a large inland sea that ran from eastern Canada and Maine across the Great Lakes and to Manitoba, caused by the depression under the glacier. Sea life would have occupied that large gulf. We know there were whales and walruses in this sea, and their remains have been found here and there to the east. Also, there's the trout; Trout are essentially salmon, a sea-living fish, that got trapped in freshwater lakes and, separated from their original stock, evolved into new species that can no longer live in salt water. Some of these trout may have been trapped inland in places like Moosehead Lake, Maine as the great arm of the sea became separated and changed over to fresh water. A giant inland lake with fresh water whales swimming around in it seems a bit strange, but glacial times were, indeed, strange!</p> <p>So, imagine being a Clovis Indian arriving at the shore of The Warren River about 10,000 years ago, and standing where the town of Redwood Minnesota is today. The river you'd see before you would be very wide, about three kilometers from side to side. That is wider than the Nile River at a comparable distance upstream. The river would be flowing very fast from left to right, and even if this was the first time you were seeing this river you would by now have heard stories of its fury during floods, and just standing there you'd be nervous. There would be a lot of crap floating by. This river is young, having just cut its path out of the great lake to the north within a few centuries past, so it is still busy finding its way and shaping its channel. Every moment you watch, somewhere upstream, a chunk of river bank covered with brush (there are few large trees in the region at the time) falls in and breaks apart. The rocks fall to the bottom and start rolling along, the dirt muddies the river, and the vegetation tumbles along at or just below the surface. The lake from which this river flows fronts an active but melting glacier, and thus, it is full of ice bergs. As these break up into smaller and smaller chunks they float toward the Warren River, and now you see their remains as a continuous stream of dirty foamy ice that is hard to separate visually from the foamy dirty water and the dirty watery foam and the watery foam and dirt and the vegetation. To us, if we went back in time it would not look like a normal river. To the Clovis Indians of the time, it might have looked like a place you would not want to put your boat. </p> <p>And then, as you're watching, this whale goes by. Alive and struggling in the current? Long dead, bloated, and lolling in a morbid circle battered every moment by the flotsam of which it is just one large component? Alive but no longer struggling, and looking back at you, thinking "What in tarnation is that thing, I've not seen one of those before!"?</p> <p>OK, now look back at the map. Just south of Bridge Street, on the edge of town, is where the children of Redwood Falls, who have grown up on the shores of the most amazing river that ever existed on the planet Earth, go to the Reede Gray Elementary School. The school is named after an educator who got his graduate degree in 1925 at a small but highly regarded college down river from here. You can imagine that the children have a lot of opportunities, weather permitting, to enjoy field trips to the several parks and wildlife management areas a short drive, or even a brisk walk, from school. Many live on farms, so they have a sense of the landscape because there are places you can farm and places you can't and that is determined mainly by the Warren River's legacy. And in the spring, the kids that come from the other side of the river probably miss some school because the bridges get closed during floods or even washed out now and then. They fish in the meandering channel or one of the small ponds left behind, or a tributary. These kids are growing up with stories and experiences played out in a context created by an ancient geological event. </p> <p>And now, an opportunity. Wouldn't it be nice to inject a little extra science into their lives, in a positive and helpful way? So that everything they see around them they will see through that powerful lens that as a science blog reader you take for granted? Wouldn't it be great to go to that elementary school and give a talk, or send a DVD or some books appropriate for Elementary School science learning, or something? Among these kids from Redwood Falls there is potential and talent and among these kids a few are surely interested in one area of science or another, and just need encouragement, resources, sciencey stuff, handy and available for them to get their hands on and get into it and be inspired. Too bad there's nothing you can really do from the comfort of your own home, sitting there browsing on the Internet, reading blogs and stuff.</p> <p>But wait, don't despair! There is somethings you can do! You can help Ms. Osborne, one of the teachers at the Reede Gray Elementary School! Ms. Osborne is trying to buy a human skeleton for her kids to learn anatomy! And some other body parts and stuff. (These would be plastic models designed for use in the classroom, of course, not the real thing, just in case you were thinking that.) And that's a really great idea. I've taught anatomy at various levels and I can tell you that you should not actually even bother to go into this subject unless you've got the body parts available and a pile of good anatomy books. Ms. Osborne wants to get a skeleton, a lung, an eye, and a brain. The whole thing is going to cost about 300 bucks and she's about half way there in raising the money. </p> <p>What you can do is to <a href="http://www.donorschoose.org/donors/proposal.html?id=632379&amp;challengeid=196072">CLICK HERE and make a small donation to help</a>. Check the amount "to go" (right now it's about $150). If it's down to zero by the time you get there, you might want to donate to <a href="http://www.donorschoose.org/donors/viewChallenge.html?id=196072&amp;category=274&amp;utm_source=GP10&amp;utm_medium=widget&amp;utm_content=GP&amp;utm_campaign=196072&amp;max=50">one of the other projects I've carefully selected for you to consider.</a></p> <p>Your donation will be very much appreciated, and it will have a very long lasting effect. In addition to this, for all of the projects I'm asking you to help, I'll throw in a bonus. The details will vary. I've got some extra anatomy books I could send to Ms. Osborne. They may or may not be useful in an elementary classroom, but teachers need books too, to stay ahead of the students! In other cases I'm offering a talk or presentation in class. I'll let you know what I end up doing. But that's only going to happen if people step up and help fulfill the needed funding level. Sort of a matching grant: I can't put in money but I can put in some time and talent. </p> <p>Thank you in advance for your kind donation. </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Thu, 10/06/2011 - 05:50</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/teachers" hreflang="en">For Teachers</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/geology" hreflang="en">Geology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science-education" hreflang="en">Science Education</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/glacial-geology" hreflang="en">Glacial geology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/minnesota" hreflang="en">Minnesota</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/warren-river" hreflang="en">Warren river</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/geology" hreflang="en">Geology</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/science-education" hreflang="en">Science Education</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1441195" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1318171761"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Over on Scienceblogs, Greg Laden has a great article. He starts by looking at above map and digs back into the history of the landscape [...]" <a href="http://visurus.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/a-tale-of-times-long-gone">http://visurus.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/a-tale-of-times-long-gone</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1441195&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JdkMUimBmAiV8zotrv1IL7ePz6kFazua27Vnwpy6A00"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://visurus.wordpress.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">visurus (not verified)</a> on 09 Oct 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1441195">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1441196" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1330017467"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Greg, I thought you might like to know that this project has been completed. The funding goal (~$250) was reached on January 19, 2012; this Monday (Feb 20) the teacher, Ms. Osborne, posted <a href="http://www.donorschoose.org/donors/proposal.html?id=632379&amp;challengeid=196072">pictures of her students</a> playing with models of the skeleton and assorted body parts.</p> <p>Thanks for inspiring me to contribute to the project.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1441196&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HXx7XEWhbXn_viiBz1WS_LxsQQsNZNr2ZD1MhkBY0KI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Inspired Donor (not verified)</span> on 23 Feb 2012 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1441196">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1441197" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1489098905"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Among these kids from Redwood Falls there is potential and talent and among these kids a few are surely interested in one area of science or another, and just need encouragement</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1441197&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qEzkvct2WE3QrxN87F7MphiV3crxMhL-M93xurvjpL4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">UK Essay Writing (not verified)</span> on 09 Mar 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1441197">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2011/10/06/a-river-runs-by-it-children-gr%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 09:50:41 +0000 gregladen 31068 at https://scienceblogs.com Cambrian Explosion set to music https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/15/cambrian-explosion-set-to-musi <span>Cambrian Explosion set to music</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Below the fold because it is too wide:</p> <!--more--><iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/EMwxwRA9Xr8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe><p> Stolen from <a href="http://deepseanews.com/2011/07/tgif-the-cambrian-explosion-song">Deep Sea News</a></p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Fri, 07/15/2011 - 05:31</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/teachers" hreflang="en">For Teachers</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1437596" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1310728594"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You can tell it is a good video because it has a lot of trilobites in it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1437596&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LceFLZ2DIvdRL7OEonzbqu9KMqaIs-99d3d2FYU-wGM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">frank habets (not verified)</span> on 15 Jul 2011 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/4485/feed#comment-1437596">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2011/07/15/cambrian-explosion-set-to-musi%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:31:29 +0000 gregladen 30810 at https://scienceblogs.com