red river https://scienceblogs.com/ en Sandbag Central https://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2009/04/sandbag-central <span>Sandbag Central</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p><em>Guest post from <a href="http://members.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/index.html">het</a>, provider of the weekly feature "<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2007/09/weekly_news_roundups.php">Another week of GW News</a>"</em></p> <h2 align="center">Sandbag Central</h2> <p><a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/03/red_river_flooding.html"><img src="http://www.cobybeck.com/illconsidered/images/sandbag-central.jpg" /><br /> (source: Boston.com</a>)<br /> When I see scenes like the 'sandbag central' Fargo stadium --- thousands of people shovelling sand, making and piling sandbags, fighting together for their city --- my heart swells. It is the community of shared adversity. </p> <p>CBC-TV had a camera crew wandering around the stadium interviewing people and they zeroed in on one little blonde haired girl of 7 or 8 years. "Why are you doing this?" asked the interviewer. "For my city, for my family," said the little girl. But the thing that struck me was that all the time she was being questioned, she never stopped working. When it came down to it, she had her priorities straight.</p> <!--more--><p>This has been one of my unspoken, background hopes in the long twilight struggle to deal with global warming --- that people would find community when the reality of the threat became unavoidable. </p> <p>There are many problems with the idea. The first is perception. A Keeling Curve is not like the Red River rising. The danger is not immediately obvious. Another is the time factor. Our climate today is a result of the emissions, the energy balance of the past 50 to 100 years. The danger is not clear until it is too late. </p> <p>And if, in the absence of enlightened leadership, some technological wizard should craft a geoengineering miracle to solve our climate crisis, we would still face the ecological crunch. We have exceeded the planet's carrying capacity and will have to rectify that account as well. </p> <p>These are difficult, if not intractable problems; still...sandbag central is inspiring. </p> <p>&gt;EOF </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/illconsidered" lang="" about="/author/illconsidered" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">illconsidered</a></span> <span>Wed, 04/01/2009 - 02:19</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/het" hreflang="en">HET</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/adaptation" hreflang="en">adaptation</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/floods" hreflang="en">floods</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/red-river" hreflang="en">red river</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1585586" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1238568404"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thank AGW we are passing cap n trade. All the AGW damn CO2 in the air. AGW bless America. Oh my AGW, I can't believe we almost boiled the Earth.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1585586&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="O2al0Xt5nqA5iW3NMCpaHaE6d8uMECQ_jwsCmNT-pUY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">larrydalooza (not verified)</span> on 01 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/7514/feed#comment-1585586">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1585587" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1238617736"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Hello Coby,</p> <p>I take it you are blaming GW for the floods? So is B.O'B</p> <p>Political grandstanding quote</p> <p>"I actually think the science around climate change is real. It is potentially devastating. ⦠If you look at the flooding thatâs going on right now in North Dakota, and you say to yourself, âIf you see an increase of 2 degrees, what does that do, in terms of the situation there,â that indicates the degree to which we have to take this seriously."</p> <p>However back in the real world you have this</p> <p>"Temperatures as cold as 7 degrees Fahrenheit froze water running into the river and are responsible for turning back the flood, said David Kellenbenz, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Grand Forks, North Dakota, about 80 miles north of Fargo."</p> <p>"In fact, temperatures in North Dakota have been running about 5-10 degrees below normal for the entire winter and spring."</p> <p>Therefore if it wasnt for the freezing temps caused by GW then the flood caused by GW would have flooded the town. </p> <p>On a more serious note how is your brother? Did he get flooded? I hope all is OK.</p> <p>Cheers</p> <p>Crakar</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1585587&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TZxloy8pEuVQnTzSlve8nLbE5JRNQLchH9z-F5wFljM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Crakar14 (not verified)</span> on 01 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/7514/feed#comment-1585587">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1585588" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1238991239"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Crakar, I am not blaming climate change for this flood, I have not really paid a lot of attention to it, aside from the actual drama of the event. It is very difficult to ever attribute any extreme event to a single cause, especially one as slow moving as climate change.</p> <p>(the quoted email is from het's brother, BTW)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1585588&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ESh8VBwlHlyuuQHcjWcCLf6tgsf5stT1U3jfjaXO4Po"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">coby (not verified)</a> on 06 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/7514/feed#comment-1585588">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1585589" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1239077467"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Coby......</p> <p>How could you not blame Climate change for this flood? C'mon, your letting a perfect opportunity go to waste.</p> <p>Whether or not this event is related to AGW isn't the real issue here..... the real issue is perception. When a once in a lifetime event like this occurs, it is important to take advantage of it's enormity and scope in terms of media coverage and emotions.</p> <p>Seriously, this is a chance to use all those proven marketing tools to drive home a point......fear,passion, guilt etc. I'll admit there's not much sex in this one, but if they were to show some sexy lady dressed in green, filling sandbags with pictures of Polar Bears on them.....it wouldn't hurt.</p> <p>Look, your friend het is way ahead of you. I checked out his site and found this link in his GW news archive.....</p> <p><a href="http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/27/global-boiling-red-river/">http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/27/global-boiling-red-river/</a></p> <p>Here are some helpful hints.....you can use word's like "possible", "maybe", "might" etc....or in the case of the Wonk Room..."predicted" to help create a perception.</p> <p>So please, in the future, never let a disaster or catastrophe like this go to waste.</p> <p>We are counting on you.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1585589&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZRRo40f7C8TLWNiaoCdBCMTJ4jqUzrCsctvJKawWUvk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Betula (not verified)</span> on 07 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/7514/feed#comment-1585589">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1585590" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1239121678"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Sorry Coby i should not have assumed this was your point, appologies to you. However this is Barak Obamas point of view as per the quote in my post.</p> <p>It is sad that politicians have to resort to this kind of scaremongering to hammer home a tax plan. And dont worry we have pollies just like him here in Australia.</p> <p>Cheers</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1585590&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SfaDuowo_3vVhebM8sPt8OpFX7ohDquEfCMld0P-sPA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Crakar14 (not verified)</span> on 07 Apr 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/7514/feed#comment-1585590">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/illconsidered/2009/04/sandbag-central%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Wed, 01 Apr 2009 06:19:27 +0000 illconsidered 41090 at https://scienceblogs.com Red River flooding https://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2009/03/red-river-flooding <span>Red River flooding</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>This was passed on to me for posting by <a href="http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/">het</a>, just as a human interest angle to this current event</p> <hr /> <!--more--><p> My brother David lives 50 feet from the Red River north<br /> of Winnipeg about half way between Lockport and the perimeter<br /> highway. You may have heard about the flooding across<br /> the river at St. Andrews. Below I have copied an email received<br /> from him last night.</p> <p>&gt; I've been getting calls and emails about the Red River and flooding, so I thought<br /> &gt; I would write and let you know.<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; On monday, after work, we had the most amazing experience. The river ice was groaning<br /> &gt; and moaning and cracking, breaking up due to the current's pressure. The sounds were<br /> &gt; eerie and amazing. It seemed that the whole of the ice was moving, then plugging up,<br /> &gt; pushing up and crashing down, then moving as a unit again. Going to bed that night,<br /> &gt; we were still hearing the sounds. When we awoke tues morning, we had open water.<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; But the ice blockage had only moved downstream to the next curve in the river and<br /> &gt; got plugged up again. This is the blockage that you heard about on TV,radio and inet.<br /> &gt; The water level began to rise and by last evening was up higher than we had ever seen it.<br /> &gt; It was up and covering the first plateau on our bank (it needed to rise another 20 feet<br /> &gt; before it would get near our house). Our neighbours across the river have a much more<br /> &gt; gradual slope to their bank and are built much lower and closer to the water. One of<br /> &gt; the neighbours was building clay dikes all evening and the next day, one had his pump<br /> &gt; house flooded up to the rafters.<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; A mile and a half north, houses on both sides of the river built on lower lots were<br /> &gt; flooded. River Road was covered with river water.<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; This morning today the ice broke up and moved further north to Lockport, our river<br /> &gt; level fell three feet by noon hour. But the higher water level just moved north too.<br /> &gt; Houses and businesses along the west side of the river around Lockport are now flooded.<br /> &gt; I suspect this will repeat itself all the way north to Lake Winnipeg.<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; So, the long and short of it is..... we are well and dry.<br /> &gt; </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/illconsidered" lang="" about="/author/illconsidered" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">illconsidered</a></span> <span>Fri, 03/27/2009 - 05:13</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/general" hreflang="en">General</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/het" hreflang="en">HET</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/floods" hreflang="en">floods</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/red-river" hreflang="en">red river</a></div> </div> </div> <section> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/illconsidered/2009/03/red-river-flooding%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:13:12 +0000 illconsidered 41088 at https://scienceblogs.com An up close and personal look at flooding in the Red River Valley https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/03/23/an-up-close-and-personal-look <span>An up close and personal look at flooding in the Red River Valley</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>In 1997, the sandbagging was not enough to save Grand Forks. The river rose higher than it had been since 1826. Downtown Grand Forks was destroyed by explosions and fire that added on to the damage caused by the water. ... The local TV stations carried stories of cattle stranded in flowing water, unable to reach higher ground. Some cattle were frozen standing in place as the floodwaters froze at night.</p></blockquote> <p><a href="http://quichemoraine.com/2009/03/a-simple-assignment/">From <em>A Simple Assignment </em></a>. Go read it! </p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/author/gregladen" lang="" about="/author/gregladen" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gregladen</a></span> <span>Mon, 03/23/2009 - 09:42</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/uncategorized" hreflang="en">Uncategorized</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/flood" hreflang="en">flood</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/grand-forks" hreflang="en">Grand Forks</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/red-river" hreflang="en">red river</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1388785" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1237839512"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Wow! What a touching story. Who wrote it?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1388785&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mY1853jgnnKo7bzKQ07886jTH5v2P0sopAEVgkwblGo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://quichemoraine.com" lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">tuibguy (not verified)</a> on 23 Mar 2009 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/7514/feed#comment-1388785">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/gregladen/2009/03/23/an-up-close-and-personal-look%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:42:22 +0000 gregladen 26277 at https://scienceblogs.com