anti-aging https://scienceblogs.com/ en Mea culpa! Orac praised the new CDC director for her pro-vaccine views, but missed the quackery in her past. https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/07/10/mea-culpa-orac-praised-the-new-cdc-director-for-her-pro-vaccine-views-but-missed-the-quackery-in-her-past <span>Mea culpa! Orac praised the new CDC director for her pro-vaccine views, but missed the quackery in her past.</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I have to start this post with a <em>mea culpa</em>, perhaps even a <em>mea maxima culpa</em>. I've been going on and on, in essence gloating about how the antivaccine movement was <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/07/06/president-trump-appears-poised-to-betray-the-antivaccine-movement-again-suckers/">once again betrayed by Donald Trump</a>. After the betrayal that was the appointment of the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/04/17/federal-biomedical-science-policy-under-donald-trump-nearly-100-days-in/">ultimate pro-vaccine pharma shill as FDA Commissioner</a>, the second betrayal was the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/health/cdc-brenda-fitzgerald.html?mcubz=1&amp;_r=0">appointment of Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald as the new director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention</a>. And, yes, on the surface, Dr. Fitzgerald doesn't appear to be that bad a pick for CDC director. She has a history of being <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/07/07/vaccine-policy-is-becoming-politicized/">very pro-vaccine during her previous gig</a> as Commissioner of Public Health in Georgia. She even supported early reading and language programs to support brain development, advocacy that everyone's favorite quack defender Patrick "Tim" Bolen hilariously twisted into hinting that there must be something more to her and a fantasy of her showing up on her first day to demand that all the division heads cooperate with "investigations" into various nefarious deeds alleged in the fever dreams of antivaccine conspiracy theorists.</p> <p>Before I get on with my self-abasement and mea culpa, I can't help but give you a taste of his post <a href="http://bolenreport.com/trumps-pick-cdc-head-meets-eye/" rel="nofollow">Trump’s Pick For CDC Head – More Than Meets The Eye…</a> In it Bolen cites a <a href="https://youtu.be/y8qc8Aa3weE">video of a TED Talk</a> given by Dr. Fitzgerald on the simple practice of talking to babies and toddlers to nourish their brains and set them up for better performance in school and life:</p> <!--more--><iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/y8qc8Aa3weE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe><p> The central thesis of Dr. Fitzgerald's TED Talk is something that is utterly uncontroversial, namely emphasizing the importance of language development through talking to babies and toddlers and engaging with them. No pediatrician would argue with this, and, indeed, pediatricians and the American Academy of Pediatrics support early reading initiatives. Yet somehow Bolen spins Dr. Fitzgerald's advocacy for promoting language development in infants and toddlers as meaning that she's somehow sympathetic to antivaccine ideas! He starts out listing a standard list of antivaccine tropes about the CDC supposedly "covering up" evidence that vaccines cause autism. Then he goes into full-on fantasy mode:</p> <blockquote><p> Just suppose that on her very first day at the CDC, Brenda calls in ALL of the CDC Division heads and says “This fellow sitting here next to me is the Inspector General of the DHHS. He works DIRECTLY for my boss Tom Price MD and he is going to help me unravel some issues here at the CDC. You are hereby ORDERED to cooperate with him, and his employees, involving our ongoing investigation of malfeasance, misfeasance, and it’s cover-up. “</p> <p>And then – “This other fellow here is Bobby Kennedy Jr. As you know President Trump has asked Bobby to form a Vaccine Safety Commission, which he has done. YOU are ORDERED to cooperate COMPLETELY with him and his Commission members. I want COMPLETE access, IMMEDIATELY, to the VSD information. Any questions?”</p> <p>Finally – “As you know, the American Public has asked for a five-year moratorium on vaccines, etc… It is up to us, here at the CDC, to satisfy their concerns as fast as possible. Anyone who wants to resign, and move out of the country, will NOT be allowed to do so UNTIL you have been THOROUGHLY questioned by the Inspector General… There are those out there that say that vaccines are damaging a huge segment of our American population – Let’s see if they are right.”</p> <p>I think this woman would get along VERY WELL with our Anti-Vaccine movement. So… </p></blockquote> <p>Yes, Donald Trump met with antivaccine crank Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Unfortunately for him, nothing ever came of it. It's been six months now since the two met and RFK Jr., ever the self-aggrandizing one, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/01/11/donald-trump-meets-with-antivaccine-ideologue-robert-f-kennedy-jr/">claimed that Trump offered him the chair of a commission to study vaccine safety</a>, or autism, or something. Basically, this is nothing more than the delusional, self-reassuring fantasies of a man who supported Donald Trump for President and now, like so many Trump supporters, has to come to terms with the facxt that he's been conned.</p> <p>Amusingly, Bolen's post was so delusional, so out of touch with reality, that even antivaxers called him out for wishful delusional thinking. On the other hand, maybe he saw something I didn't, although that something clearly doesn't have anything to do with vaccines. There is absolutely nothing I could find that implicated Dr. Fitzgerald with anything resembling antivaccine views, but that doesn't mean her past is clean.</p> <p>Here's what I mean. When I originally alluded to my having missed a red flag, here's what I meant. See if you can spot it in this passage from <a href="https://dph.georgia.gov/brenda-fitzgerald-md-commissioner">Dr. Fitzgerald's official bio</a> on the Georgia Department of Public Health website:</p> <blockquote><p> Brenda Fitzgerald, M.D., serves as the Commissioner of the Georgia Department of Public Health (DPH) and State Health Officer. Dr. Fitzgerald, a board-certified Obstetrician-Gynecologist and a Fellow in Anti-Aging Medicine, has practiced medicine for three decades. </p></blockquote> <p>Can you identify the red flag? Sure, I knew you could. I'm referring, of course, to Dr. Fitzgerald's having been a Fellow in Anti-Aging Medicine. This is an enormous red flag that I should have noticed last week while writing a post about her for my not-so-secret other blog. Fortunately for me, <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/ritarubin/2017/07/09/new-cdc-head-fitzgerald-peddled-controversial-anti-aging-medicine-before-leaving-private-practice/amp/">Rita Rubin at Forbes noticed</a>, and I noticed her article, allowing me to revise this post before it embarrassed me after going live:</p> <blockquote><p> Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald, appointed Friday as director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is a board-certified obstetrician/gynecologist who saw patients for 30 years in private practice.</p> <p>Unlike any OB/GYN I know, Fitzgerald treated men as well as women. That’s because besides being board-certified in obstetrics and gynecology, she is a fellow in “anti-aging medicine.” </p></blockquote> <p>I was as disappointed to learn this as Dr. David Goldstein:</p> <blockquote><p> “I’m shocked,” Dr. David Goldstein, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the New York University School of Medicine and treasurer of the International Menopause Society, said after I told him that Fitzgerald’s biography identifies her as an anti-aging medicine fellow.</p> <p>Goldstein described so-called anti-aging treatments as “snake oil” that “plays on people’s worst fears about their mortality.”</p> <p>“If she (Fitzgerald) was one of these people who was marketing anti-aging medicine, that’s scary,” he said. </p></blockquote> <p>Here's the <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100823232052/http://www.drbfitz.com:80/index.php">webpage of her OB/GYN practice in 2010</a>, a year before she was appointed Georgia's Commissioner of Public Health. Poking around the website, I learned that she was first <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100823232059/http://www.drbfitz.com:80/index.php?pid=15">"certified" in "anti-aging" medicine in 2007</a>, which is rather late in her practice career (she would have been 60 years old then) and also only four years before she was appointed Public Health Commissioner.</p> <p>Particularly damning is this <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100823214125/http://www.drbfitz.com:80/index.php?pid=23">FAQ on Dr. Fitzgerald's website</a>. A couple of choice excerpts follow:</p> <blockquote><p> <strong>Q. What is the most common aging problem you see?</strong><br /><strong>A.</strong> "Middle age spread". As we age, the hormones that regulate body metabolism decline. The problem may be insulin resistance, nutrient deficiency, thyroid abnormality, or other hormone deficiency. Most people, by the time they are forty, are simply not eating 5000 calories a day in beer and junk food. They are frustrated because they are trying to eat good things or are eating what they have always eaten, or less, and are still gaining weight. We are now able to accurately evaluate the exact cause of weight gain, and recommend a plan to correct it. </p> <p><strong>Q. How do I know that I am taking the right supplements?</strong><br /><strong>A.</strong> We can now measure the vitamins, antioxidants, necessary fats, and proteins in your cells with a simple blood test. If you like the supplements you are taking (Juice Plus, for example), we can tell you what you need to add. If you do not know what to take, we can give you the newest research for the best replacements. </p></blockquote> <p>So basically, Dr. Fitzgerald was into weight loss woo as well as anti-aging woo. (The two often go together.) She did a bunch of what were almost certainly unnecessary lab tests in order to figure out what supplements her patients "needed" and then ordered followup lab tests to see if she was giving her patients enough supplements. As is the case with nearly all such practices, most of it was cash on the barrelhead:</p> <blockquote><p> <strong>Q. Will insurance cover anti-aging care?</strong><br /><strong>A.</strong> Traditional insurance plans often do not cover preventive medical care. We will try to help you determine if you are covered, but be aware that most coverage changes often and always with less coverage. We will continue to seek those labs that offer the highest quality, best cost tests. We will be happy to arrange monthly payments without additional charges for you. We will always give you our charges before services and we are always willing to look for other ways to get what you need, like labs at the health department. </p></blockquote> <p>I also note that Dr. Fitzgerald was into prescribing Suzanne Somers' favorite form of woo, "bioidentical hormones." Not good. Definitely not good.</p> <p>I haven't really discussed the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine (AAAAM or A4M) before. It's the organization that offered the "fellowship" that Dr. Fitgerald completed. Put simply, A4M is what Kimball Atwood used to refer to as a <a href="https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-pseudomedical-pseudoprofessional-organization-ppo/">pseudomedical pseudoprofessional organization</a> (PPO). These organizations basically exist in order to provide a veneer of respectability to what is often gross quackery. In this case, A4M offers "fellowships" in a number of "specialties," including <a href="https://www.a4m.com/fellowship-in-metabolic-nutritional-and-functional-medicine.html" rel="nofollow">Metabolic,<br /> Nutritional and Functional Medicine</a>, <a href="https://www.a4m.com/integrative-cancer-therapy-fellowship.html" rel="nofollow">Integrative Cancer Therapy</a>, <a href="https://www.a4m.com/stem-cell-therapy-fellowship.html" rel="nofollow">Stem Cell Therapy</a>, <a href="https://www.a4m.com/fellowship-in-integrative-medicine.html" rel="nofollow">Integrative Medicine</a>, and, of course, <a href="https://www.a4m.com/the-aesthetic-anti-aging-fellowship.html" rel="nofollow">Anti-Aging Medicine</a>. It also offers a <a href="https://www.a4m.com/certifications.html" rel="nofollow">number of "certifications" in various specialties</a>, such as Advanced Metabolic Endocrinology, Weight Management, Brain Fitness, Lifestyle Coaching, Advanced Injectables, Addiction, and Sexual Health and Treatment. Then there are a bunch of <a href="https://www.a4m.com/online-courses.html">online courses</a> offered for quite the sum. The Stem Cell Fellowship, for instance, offers four modules at $2,500 per module. That's a cool $10,000 to complete the training. The Anti-Aging Fellowship has three modules at $2,500 apiece. The Integrative Cancer Care Fellowship has eight modules at—you guessed it—$2,500 apiece, for a cool $20,000 to complete the course.</p> <p>It's not clear to me exactly which fellowship Dr. Fitzgerald finished, as the anti-aging fellowship is now referred to as the "Aesthetic Anti-Aging Fellowship" and now includes alot of surgical procedures, chemical peels, Botox, hair transfer, and "body sculpting," but maybe the fellowship was different ten years ago. On the other hand, the module on "<a href="https://www.a4m.com/module-vii-non-invasive-body-contouring.html">noninvasive body contouring</a>" offers:</p> <ul><li>Perform body mass index measurements, anthropomorphic measurements, and medical photography to document clinical presentation and results</li> <li>Prescribe organic whole foods, low glycemic diet along with appropriate detoxification, hormone balancing, and treatment of food allergy for optimal BMI</li> </ul><p>And:</p> <ul><li>Develop a working knowledge of aesthetic devices and energies used in body contouring including Radiofrequency, Acoustic wave, Infrared energy, a novel chilling device, and lymphatic massage. Gain practical knowledge from aesthetic experts regarding the utility and effectiveness of these devices as well as their specific indications</li> </ul><p>"Detoxification"? "Hormone balancing"? Treatment of what are almost certainly nonexistent "food allergies"? Use of all sorts of devices that are almost certainly not evidence-based? Yes, there be quackery here, just as there be quackery over at the <a href="https://www.a4m.com/stem-cell-therapy-fellowship.html">Stem Cell Fellowship</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> Gain expert knowledge regarding the disease background, statistics, etiology, current standard of care, and issues/controversies surrounding current treatments for many neurological and neurodegenerative conditions, including:</p> <ul><li>Parkinson’s disease</li> <li>Dementia</li> <li>Alzheimer’s disease</li> <li>Cerebral palsy</li> <li>Stroke</li> <li>Traumatic Brain Injury</li> <li>Autism</li> <li>Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)</li> <li>Huntington’s disease</li> <li>Spinal cord injury</li> <li>Neuropathy</li> </ul></blockquote> <p>There is no convincing clinical evidence yet that stem cell therapy improves outcomes in stroke, ALS, Huntington's disease, or dementia—or any of these conditions, really. Treating someone with autism with stem cells is, in my not-so-humble opinion, not only quackery but utter malpractice. Yet these are the sorts of things A4M teaches its "fellows." And <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/04/18/the-quackery-of-so-called-functional-medicine-making-it-up-as-you-go-along/">don't get me started</a> on "<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/12/05/what-functional-medicine-really-is/">functional medicine</a>," training in which is also offered by A4M. It's <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/03/01/disruptive-functional-medicine-at-the-cleveland-clinic-disrupting-medicine-by-mixing-quackery-with-it/">quackery, too</a>. The list goes on and on. Yet Dr. Fitzgerald did one of the A4M "fellowships," after which she offered what she was taught to women and men, supposedly to help them deal with aging better.</p> <p>By yesterday afternoon, I felt as though I had gotten whiplash from my turnabout on Dr. Fitzgerald. When I first learned of her impending appointment, I started out very relieved and happy at how pro-vaccine she is and how she seemed to hit all the right notes on public health, particularly the importance of early childhood reading. I was also relieved that she didn't appear to be too dogmatic on culture war issues embraced by conservative Republicans that could interfere with her ability to serve as a science-based CDC director. Then I learned about her anti-aging fellowship and her previous medical practice offering typical dubious anti-aging treatments such as "bioidentical hormones," detoxification, and supplements galore. Now I'm not so sure.</p> <p>One thing that interested me was the question of why. Remember, Dr. Fitzgerald had practiced OB/GYN for over 30 years before she did her fellowship in anti-aging medicine. She was clinical faculty at Emory University, and a president of the Georgia OB/GYN Society. Presumably, her practice was evidence- and science-based. By the time she finished her A4M fellowship, she was 60 years old. So why did she do it? On her website, it says:</p> <blockquote><p> <strong>Q. Why did you become interested in anti-aging medicine?</strong><br /><strong>A.</strong> I got older! The life expectancy for women in 1900 was 48. The majority of women never reached the hormone depleted state of menopause just 100 years ago. Now most of us can expect to live half of our lives without natural optimal hormone production. My goal is to have all my patients, and me, be vigorous and vital for essentially their entire lives. I want to be struck by lightning on the golf course at 120.... and I want that for you. </p></blockquote> <p>Clearly, Dr. Fitzgerald didn't understand life expectancies. The reason life expectancy was so low in 1900 was because of infectious diseases that killed children. If a child born in 1900 made it to age 20, <a href="https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy/">average life expectancy</a> was to between the ages of 60 or 65, meaning the majority of girls who made it past the high mortality period of childhood did reach menopause. It's not a reassuring statement, and it almost makes me wonder if Bolen might have been on to something after all.</p> <p>What partially reassures me is that, since Dr. Fitzgerald became Georgia Public Health Commissioner, she appears not to have engaged in anything resembling quackery. She appears to have supported science and was pro-vaccine. Her one big misstep was that on at least one occasion she failed to stand up to a big corporation (Coca-Cola) whose products are not good for health. That leaves a very important question: Where does the balance fall? The answer is: I don't know, but I'm echoing some of the <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/ritarubin/2017/07/09/new-cdc-head-fitzgerald-peddled-controversial-anti-aging-medicine-before-leaving-private-practice/amp/">complaints I saw on the Forbes article</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> I asked a couple of women’s health advocates what they thought about having an anti-aging medicine doctor lead the CDC.</p> <p>“I’m so disappointed that the first female OB/GYN picked to head the CDC is someone who embraces the unproven and anti-scientific claims of the so-called anti-aging movement,” Cindy Pearson, executive director of the National Women’s Health Network, a nonprofit in Washington, D.C., told me.</p> <p>“The public needs someone who supports public health recommendations that are based on science,” Pearson said, “not someone who tries to scare her patients by talking about ‘the hormone-depleted state of menopause’ and recommending unproven and potentially dangerous bio-identical hormones.” </p></blockquote> <p>It's also been noted that Dr. Fitzgerald isn't a great pick to head the CDC because she's not a researcher. For instance, Diana Zuckerman, president of the National Center for Health Research, a nonprofit in Washington, D.C. noted:</p> <blockquote><p> “Her pitch as a physician suggests that, in addition to not being a researcher, she was providing treatments to patients that were not based on credible science,” Zuckerman told me after looking at the archived website for Fitzgerald’s former medical practice. “If a patient wants to try such treatments, and a doctor wants to prescribe them—preferably giving informed consent that the benefits are unproven—that’s up to them.</p> <p>“But putting that doctor in charge of the CDC, a crucial public health agency, doesn’t make sense.” </p></blockquote> <p>Indeed.</p> <p>Dr. Fitzgerald's case suggests that you can be pro-vaccine and still be q quack. Worse, not being a researcher grounded in science, Dr. Fitzgerald is in danger of not being able to distinguish pseudoscience from science when antivaxers come calling (and they will come calling) to demand an "investigation" into the "CDC whistleblower" manufactroversy and other issues relevant to vaccines. I suppose under the Trump Administration, she's the best we can hope for, and, more than that, all we can do is to hope that she consistently listens to the scientists at the CDC. I'm now not as optimistic as I once was.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a></span> <span>Sun, 07/09/2017 - 21:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/complementary-and-alternative-medicine" hreflang="en">complementary and alternative medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/quackery-0" hreflang="en">Quackery</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/american-academy-family-physicians" hreflang="en">American Academy of Family Physicians</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/anti-aging" hreflang="en">anti-aging</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/brenda-fitzgerald" hreflang="en">Brenda Fitzgerald</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/cdc" hreflang="en">CDC</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/centers-disease-control-and-prevention" hreflang="en">Centers for Disease Control and Prevention</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/donald-trump" hreflang="en">Donald Trump</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/georgia-department-public-health" hreflang="en">Georgia Department of Public Health</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/complementary-and-alternative-medicine" hreflang="en">complementary and alternative medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/medicine" hreflang="en">Medicine</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362056" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499664885"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That actually seems to be a place of intersection with Dear Leader. He is hell-bent on reversing the aging process through whatever surgical or quackical methods he can (even though he abhors the one thing that could do him some good, exercise).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362056&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="mYZfqjcdRTJZpyaXmEM_YtMdlkQuDFLTLJDY8x_wUBk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Roadstergal (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362056">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362057" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499665242"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>What partially reassures me is that, since Dr. Fitzgerald became Georgia Public Health Commissioner, she appears not to have engaged in anything resembling quackery. </i></p> <p>This is what I'm trying to focus on. With Trump, I'm quickly learning to be realistic vs optimistic, and while this is a load of BS, her record as the commissioner isn't awful. Kind of the same approach I took with the FDA appointment. Take what you can and keep trudging forward to better.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362057&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wT262Y6IPBo9BI1xyPX0fLyOCtAuFbOjL9x2Ws5CfYY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Frequent Lurker (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362057">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362058" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499666406"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I still fail to understand how someone can connect talking to todlers with supposed anti-vaccine views.<br /> Or should talking to todlers mean, listening to them and grand them every wish?<br /> "I don't want my vaccins."<br /> "That's alright, mom is listening to you and if you don't want it, you don't have to."<br /> "I don't want my veggies."<br /> "Shut up, Mike Adams tells, they are good for you, they are biological and natural, so you have to eat them, to keep those nasty diseases out."</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362058&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="e0mL-y-3ZI7gKdzOqGlQTsGkz91Z4OOv7H18RcY82iY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Renate (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362058">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362059" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499667244"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Eh, if I have to pick I'll prefer the greedy capitalist snake-oil sales to the cultish anti-science brigade. Both suck, I don't want either, but I also realize that those two descriptions fit Trumpism.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362059&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="4Q57B1GWgIN8HaCf2mrBLO_SN6tuUaMjp7kq2tKDi2o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Zach (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362059">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="28" id="comment-1362064" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499678296"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Yeah, I suppose a grifter is better than an antivaxer, but it's just so sad that that's the best choice we get.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362064&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Xp7zLrHJSC7Hpw-ZPgj3ZmoPmXBjgZoj8uFFfcc7mXE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362064">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/oracknows"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/oracknows" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/orac2-150x150-120x120.jpg?itok=N6Y56E-P" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user oracknows" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1362059#comment-1362059" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Zach (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362060" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499668989"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Anti-aging medicine" only keeps patients' hard-earned money from "aging" in their savings accounts. </p> <p>There's a local chiroquacktor here in Phoenix with a Saturday morning radio show who has this same stupid "anti-aging fellow" status, which shows just how few brain cells are actually required to claim "expertise" in "anti-aging"</p> <p>I'm concerned the number of physicians who haven't fallen for pseudoscience is now less than those who have, especially given all the quacky mailings I get for spurious certifications in things like "stem cells" and holistic nonsense. The pushers of this pseudoscience wouldn't keep sending them out if physicians weren't taking the bait.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362060&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1Pw2apUGgFxR1L-yyEebj3RklbtzoRYM6-J2z2SDMZw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris Hickie (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362060">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362061" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499671354"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Well, since *nothing* works for anti-aging, you've obviously mastered it once you understand *nothing*.</p> <p>That said, this is also a good example of how science and dogma are different. When Orac makes a mistake, he owns it, showing how/why it happened and giving us all a way forward to do *better*. The fanatics on the other side would never do something like this, because in their view they can never do wrong and any admission of weakness is anathema to their worldview.<br /> So yes, Orac, even when you make mistakes you're still an example for the rest of us :)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362061&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HX9l1iZQaZiQsM86aomSPXlxLfFkSZJErc8MbyLf2Gw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">J (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362061">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362062" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499672962"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>[Trump] is hell-bent on reversing the aging process</p></blockquote> <p>In his case, I'm afraid that ship has already sailed. Back in the days when he was merely an obnoxious real estate grifter, he was much more lucid than he is today.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362062&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="B8QGVq2s6efzXEjWpknT66LsjVwwFzeJGk5-I_fNwSY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362062">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362063" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499676197"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Orac writes,</p> <p>Picard heard about how Orac missed this one.</p> <p>MJD says,</p> <p>No, Picard is frustrated about how Orac continually ignores the prime directive (i.e., interfering with integrative medicine).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362063&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="FQcNL_VbOGDlj-PKnPEcSZazvHUIa2e8MHh9OcnrjBc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Michael J. Dochniak (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362063">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362065" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499678420"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Renate, #3</p> <p>I still fail to understand how someone can connect talking to todlers with supposed anti-vaccine views.</p> <p>It's because it hints that you can "fix" autism. Which I guess you can, to some degree.</p> <p>They could also flip it. It's anti-vaccine because she implies that there are reasons for language problems other than vaccines. It's a plot to distract us from the real causes.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362065&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="DX77TK9la83INCeF6TOgKGU8i9cdgw8uPXKRzsP4YIY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Christine Rose (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362065">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362066" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499687836"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Since she is an appointee of this deplorable administration, I assume she also opposes women's rights, more specifically the right to make our own reproductive decisions. It's bad in any Doctor, but deplorable for anyone who is a gynecologist. What do they do when a patient presents with an ectopic pregnancy? Say, "I'm sorry, you're just going to die?"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362066&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MaXkBiO1JWghX7eo7yvfQ4BYWfKGGRu8f5PKcAGuSOk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cloudskimmer (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362066">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362067" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499688483"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My guess is that any problems with Fitzgerald at CDC will go back to what Orac was talking about Friday – budget cuts, inaction, neglect of low-income populations, etc. Don't want to spend any tax dollars that can go back to the 1%, do we? She's a conservative Republican, who seems to have gotten the job via Newt Gingrich's ties to Trump and Tom Price. Really, I wouldn't worry about with a Gingrichite at CDC getting converted to anti-vax, any more than I'd worry about Price or Gottleib getting that religion. Too much else to worry about.</p> <p>I'm not clear on just <i>how</i> Fitzgerald's background with anti-aging woo could mess up CDC if those previously repressed interests return once she's in office. It's not like she's going to declare an aging epidemic, and direct staff and budget to 'information campaigns' on the benefits of supplements and botox, I hope. Could someone who knows more about what CDC does, and the director's role and authority, say more about what sort of bad things this might bring? Or just some of the problems you might expect from having an OB/GYN instead of an epidemiologist at the helm? [That alone does seem to make the appointment rather SMH, yes?]</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362067&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9GJ-zBL4qAxmT0X6wDTj1rjjraUNkVCk_SP1vW0596s"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362067">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="28" id="comment-1362069" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499690201"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The problem with Dr. Fitzgerald's peddling of anti-aging quackery is not so much that she'll resurrect it as CDC director but that it suggests a person either (1) whose grasp of science is weak and will therefore be susceptible to not just the blandishments of ideologues and science-denying cranks, be they antivaxers or corporations, and/or (2) who cares about money more than science and good medical care. I'm not worried about her suddenly turning antivax; her record as Commissioner of Public Health in Georgia is pretty good evidence that she's very unlikely to go antivax. I'm more worried that she might be persuaded, through ignorance, to back positions that sound superficially scientific but in reality are not, like investigating yet again the "link" between abortion and breast cancer, a link that's been investigated almost as ad nauseam as the "link" between vaccines and autism and found to be just as unfounded.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362069&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uuSBi3NclTe0tQAt8cdushNZef1EeX0jhauUSYVbSGE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362069">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/oracknows"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/oracknows" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/orac2-150x150-120x120.jpg?itok=N6Y56E-P" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user oracknows" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1362067#comment-1362067" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362068" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499688593"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Anti-aging, well I may have found the answer. I will be retiring in 5 months (age 64) and becoming the step-father of a 5 month old (she is due 9/25). This will either keep me from aging or kill me quicker. I tell Film, caress and tell the baby she is loved even before she is born. This may only help Film and me but that is important also.</p> <p>Either way it will be more fun than doddering off in to the sunset. I am also moving to Chiang Mai will have to adopt a new culture and way of life. </p> <p>After I am there, Orac and the minions are welcome to visit.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362068&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TyvyQ84Nkv54Kw-Cy0L4zOG0dYHCnyjHnjDqGOoJOrg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rich Bly (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362068">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362070" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499694982"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Cloudskimmer @10: Based on a very similar article over at SBM, Dr Fitzgerald is sufficiently pro-choice to have been hassled by anti-abortion activists. She's still OK with some restrictions, but she's not anti-abortion. So that, at least, is somewhat promising. </p> <p>Must have made Pence mad.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362070&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="z9iuuK3eO1ASc4bCcXBlTNyBp1V6Mrj3y_Xu7AMsJbM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362070">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362071" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499697623"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Cloudskimmer: It’s bad in any Doctor, but deplorable for anyone who is a gynecologist. What do they do when a patient presents with an ectopic pregnancy? Say, “I’m sorry, you’re just going to die?”</p> <p>Probably. There's a TON of people who go into ob/gyn and pharmacology so they can wag their fingers at people. It's gotten to the point where I'm extremely leery of ob/gyns; you get four kinds of people in that profession, the pervs, the religious, the crunchy and the competent. And the last one is the rarest.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362071&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="NzrPbjn9HGBSCP0ixtBYiPEp2vfXZDi4qTFgV6A4vIM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362071">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362072" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499698166"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Orac #13</p> <p>I'll take #2 for my angst. I don't see a gullibility issue so much as generic conservative ideology being in conflict with good public health policy. I think you hit the nut with the comments on the Coca Cola quid pro quo, amplified in the thread on the not-so-secret blog. Everything comes down to 'individual responsibility'. Forget the corporations pushing unhealthful products. They're just responding to what the people want. Freedom, don'tcha know. If you become obese, or develop heart disease or whatever, it's your fault from your own bad choices. Cancer? Well, you exposed yourself to those carcinogens, didn't you? STDs? Serve you right for your lax morality.</p> <blockquote><p>We're going to focus on what you should eat rather than on what you shouldn't.</p></blockquote> <p>Right...</p> <p>I suppose if she does follow that more right-libertarian ideology, she wouldn't get into the abortion causes cancer thing, but, hey who ever said the actions of political appointees were philosophically consistent!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362072&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="pE61thS_LPsHo9-gbdbeFZFGrUlcl1eBuKaIQCfyLqk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362072">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362073" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499698732"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I found out that my maternal grandmother and both of her sisters had strokes at around 60 years old, give or take a few years. Which is just about the age I am now. Both my sister and high had increases of blood pressure right about the time we both hit menopause. I sensed a pattern.</p> <p>So my anti-aging strategy is to control my blood pressure by taking generic medication at the spectacular cost of less than $5 a month. Add this to using sunscreen (my freckled skin has to modes: polka dotted or lobster red, I try to avoid the latter), exercise and eating about half of what I used to (hubby and I now split restaurant entrees).</p> <p>Pretty in line to what my doctor says to do. I see no reason for the other expensive whack-a-doodle stuff.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362073&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Z0AtIWVN-QXJlPyh_y3QpH_RNy0qPJLm_UutgQ13fZY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362073">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362074" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499698868"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"Both my sister and high <b>I</b>..."</p> <p>Weird how my fingers typed something that rhymed but was longer.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362074&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1ZCu2R8qAyz_uidu_thaTW31xyMJujVNvZgzfzSHhrc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362074">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362075" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499698910"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I just received the official CDC press release about Dr. Fitzgerald appointment to head the CDC.</p> <p>In part it read: We look forward to working with Dr. Fitzgerald to achieve President Trump's goal of strengthening public health surveillance and ensuring global health security at home and abroad. Congratulations to Dr. Fitzgerald and her family.”</p> <p>This goal would seem hard to reach if Rump cuts the CDC budget like he wants.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362075&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eTZAJXJAntrcBaHk8eXu1UoiFJ7pt95nXkhFvvt6Wio"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rich Bly (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362075">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362076" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499699432"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Now I see that Dr Fitzgerald did make contraception more available in the state of Georgie, so perhaps she won't be vehemently anti-choice. Unfortunately her position doesn't give her much opportunity in that area, otherwise she probably would never have been appointed. It still appears that women's rights is one area that freedom-loving Republicans are all too willing to curtail; how do they handle that cognitive dissonance?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362076&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ljEKO7Qr4jNMgqfNwQZzrDaAumwifKsTJGlxJllIR88"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">cloudskimmer (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362076">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362077" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499705155"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>So my anti-aging strategy is to control my blood pressure</i></p> <p>RI comment threads are not ideal locations for that.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362077&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aTucTz_i-7SB4f0qy2iyf3GZcCEJ5iOPsLE94U-750E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362077">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362078" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499715776"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p> It still appears that women’s rights is one area that freedom-loving Republicans are all too willing to curtail; how do they handle that cognitive dissonance?</p></blockquote> <p>Genuine libertarians are a rare breed. Most people who profess such beliefs turn out, on closer inspection, to be authoritarian. Their version of the Golden Rule is, "He who has the gold makes the rules."</p> <p>That's not to say that they don't care about the freedom of straight "Christian" white males. But you have to meet all four of those criteria for them to care about your freedom. I put "Christian" in quotes there because while they pretend to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, they behave as if the words printed in red in their Bibles are errors. (For the record, that's the criterion where I don't meet their standards.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362078&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="a0DoJ8FkzqQxtYesnHGAZhGFfa5-Da5vP2WSYfYF7-M"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362078">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362079" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499717281"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>hdb: "RI comment threads are not ideal locations for that."</p> <p>:-)</p> <p>My most common reaction is to laugh. </p> <p>My stepmother's family had a genetic form of high blood pressure. It was quite common for them to die after a long period of pain and misery in the their mid-forties. It was actually expected, and one of her seven siblings died that way leaving a grieving widow and son.</p> <p>Then a couple of years later the first diuretic blood pressure meds were made available in the 1950s. She and her remaining siblings lived at least thirty years longer, one of them way into his 90s (she died of lung cancer due to a smoking habit when she was about 82).</p> <p>Yeah, it seems our anecdotal family experience is that high blood pressure is bad, and best anti-aging strategy for those of us with that family history is to control it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362079&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fJ3eEOv4482EFSOvhiP1bgbdTugWopBgbbONuxg2mxg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362079">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362080" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499719260"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"So my anti-aging strategy is to control my blood pressure"</p> <p>Blood pressure lowers dramatically when you stop aging.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362080&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XzQc-eeegZPI4P04kQN4GZbfvHzx0he5VCdFI19jgNM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">rs (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362080">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362081" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499721064"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>They could have done much, much worse... At the same time, that shouldn't be reassuring since they could have done much, much better. And, as others have mentioned, it won't matter what she thinks so long as she thinks it's okay to have a massive slash in the budget.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362081&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9EDpbF88-pHZUP__r4iNdVdgNrKYrONvejOqX8BmJgA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Ren (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362081">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362082" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499732765"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Roadstergal #1: it would certainly explain why he's had several considerably younger wives.<br /> Eric Lund #23:</p> <blockquote><p>Genuine libertarians are a rare breed. Most people who profess such beliefs turn out, on closer inspection, to be authoritarian. Their version of the Golden Rule is, “He who has the gold makes the rules.”</p></blockquote> <p>I've been reading Adam West's serialised deconstruction of <i>Atlas Shrugged</i> on his <i>Daylight Atheism</i> blog. That is perhaps the most bang on description of Rand's philosophy I've ever read.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362082&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="k-dZjLr-kMtIpr_ao3I3MaCboyq8rcibSba3kHN7T2g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 10 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362082">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362083" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499757468"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I take issue with Oran's characterization of Trump supporters as realizing they have been conned. Yes they have been conned, and yes they are suffering, or will suffer, as a result. But where is the evidence they are realizing it? It takes a certain amount of willpower and self-reflection to admit you have been fooled.</p> <p>I say wait until the next election. In all likelihood, the exit polls will show that the voters blamed immigrants, Muslims, or liberals for everything Trump has done, as will enthusiastically sign up for another carnival game.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362083&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Ugviy3pepZTPqyp4CtR4wYGJ9v2B_dCAFtrHQMCNc18"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Psalmanazaar (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362083">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362084" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499757497"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I meant "Orac's"</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362084&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="u2GeNnAS9d79qrHgp9KdlefiIKqLdkBCzH-caz0XmEM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Psalmanazaar (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362084">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362085" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499803977"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>cloudskimmer: It still appears that women’s rights is one area that freedom-loving Republicans are all too willing to curtail; how do they handle that cognitive dissonance?</p> <p>Easy. None of them think women are people, therefore women don't get rights. (Same reason most Republicans are A-ok with child abuse and kids starving or dying. Men are the only people.)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362085&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-T5ygAgNWxsRM5bmjZvpzRHYp28SoZsypts1n_TGYwY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362085">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362086" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499804896"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Chris @18</p> <blockquote><p> Both my sister and high</p></blockquote> <p>Has weed been recently legalized in your state?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362086&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2BXam-uLQvyJfi7gobx0i6NAM_0GiXBXDiEl5DW23yI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MilitantAgnostic (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362086">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362087" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499805100"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ren @26</p> <blockquote><p>They could have done much, much worse… At the same time, that shouldn’t be reassuring since they could have done much, much better.</p></blockquote> <p>At this point competent and evil is the best you can hope for.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362087&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uVpSD934S-cLpuL6wIovzvdkLRRjsc6JIAbk6Kb8xUA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">MilitantAgnostic (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362087">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362088" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499806199"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>MA: "Has weed been recently legalized in your state?"</p> <p>Um, yes. Though was not a factor in my weird rhyming typo.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362088&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="F_yoxUTP9TkXU03TrnTuyL975QmkYr4aMW736AGbdLY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362088">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362089" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499810910"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>sadmar #12<br /> declare an aging epidemic<br /> This is quite possibly the one single best thing you’ve ever posted on RI. </p> <p>Awesome! Thanks! I may have to steal the phrase.</p> <p>Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, that aging epidemic is caused by vaccines.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362089&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="qnclsAprRiYuOeZit4C238kxQ2Pj-eFftUbUyMIJ3Sw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chemmomo (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362089">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362090" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499811009"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>^<br /></p><blockquote>declare an aging epidemic</blockquote> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362090&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="F25eRs2Mw8qXMU8lq3o6YXgesWn5x1vEoPhhXKqi6_c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chemmomo (not verified)</span> on 11 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362090">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1362091" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1499862380"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Unfortunately, I know quite a lot about the anti-aging crowd..<br /> the A4M presents conferences where they allow woo-meisters to present their ( so-called) studies ((shudder))<br /> Also her comment about living to 120 sounds familiar although a little less than I've heard ( 140-150)<br /> - I've heard of the benefits of low calorie intake based on studies of invertebrates ( insert snark HERE)</p> <p>Oh lots more but I have to go</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1362091&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="guwW2BT0_0V5irsr6ib7xKi21EeLHEIzC38nJYRvKrg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 12 Jul 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1362091">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/insolence/2017/07/10/mea-culpa-orac-praised-the-new-cdc-director-for-her-pro-vaccine-views-but-missed-the-quackery-in-her-past%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 10 Jul 2017 01:00:40 +0000 oracknows 22582 at https://scienceblogs.com Next up on the Trump crazy train: A man who thinks that a "Yelp for drugs" will do a better job than the FDA https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/01/16/next-up-on-the-trump-fda-crazy-train-a-man-who-thinks-that-a-yelp-like-system-will-do-better-than-the-fda-at-maintaining-drug-safety <span>Next up on the Trump crazy train: A man who thinks that a &quot;Yelp for drugs&quot; will do a better job than the FDA</span> <div class="field field--name-body field--type-text-with-summary field--label-hidden field--item"><p>One of the most important, if not the most important, officials in the federal government responsible for applying science-based medicine to the regulation of medicine is the FDA Commissioner. As you might imagine, particularly after his having met with antivaccinationists like <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/11/02/donald-trump-and-disgraced-antivaccine-scientist-andrew-wakefield-best-buds-forever/">Andrew Wakefield</a> and <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/01/11/donald-trump-meets-with-antivaccine-ideologue-robert-f-kennedy-jr/">Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.</a>, I am concerned, and I think I have good reason to be, about Donald Trump's plans for the FDA. After all, consider the people who have been under consideration for the post thus far (that we know of). First, there was <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/12/09/fixing-the-fda-by-appointing-a-commissioner-who-doesnt-believe-in-the-fdas-mission/">Jim O'Neill</a>, a flunky of Silicon Valley venture capitalist Peter Thiel who does not believe that the FDA should have to require evidence of efficacy before approving a drug for market, only of safety. Then, there was <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/12/14/schadenfreude-at-the-fda-it-looks-as-though-donald-trump-is-about-to-betray-his-antivaccine-supporters/">Scott Gottlie</a>b, a bona fide, honest-to-goodness actual pharma shill with deep ties to the pharmaceutical industry who once complained about the cessation of a clinical trial after the deaths of subjects.</p> <p>So it was with interest that I saw stories over the weekend about a third person under consideration for the position of FDA Commissioner: Balaji Srinivasan. I had never heard of him before, but I quickly learned that Srinivasan is <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/12/trump-met-silicon-valley-insiders-about-fda.html">also a Silicon Valley entrepreneur</a>. Like O'Neill, he is not a scientist, but rather CEO of bitcoin start-up 21.com. He is also a partner at venture firm Andreessen Horowitz and teaches at Stanford University. His primary expertise is in the area of digital payments and computational biology, and his expertise in health regulation stems from a start-up company he co-founded, Counsyl Inc., which offers DNA screening, especially for people considering having children. He also shares the <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-13/trump-said-to-consider-another-thiel-associate-to-lead-fda">same sort of views as O'Neill</a>:</p> <!--more--><blockquote> Thiel, who’s advising Trump on science and technology in the new administration, is a libertarian who has advocated for disrupting society with technology in order to improve it. Srinivasan’s views about the U.S. government—and the FDA in particular—may create challenges in getting confirmed, if nominated. He’s called for letting Silicon Valley entrepreneurs secede from the U.S. and “build an opt-in society, ultimately outside the U.S., run by technology.” </blockquote> <p>It's interesting to note that late last week after his meeting with Donald Trump, Srinivasan deleted his Twitter account, leaving only a single Tweet:</p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">Don't argue on Twitter.<br />Build the future.</p> <p>— Balaji S. Srinivasan (@balajis) <a href="https://twitter.com/balajis/status/820139852041777152">January 14, 2017</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p> So very "responsible," right? So very oozing with self-righteousness! I call bullshit. Indeed, Srivivasan's pious act is pretty disingenuous, given that, prior to meeting with Trump, he was well known for loving to mix it up on Twitter even more than Trump does. (For one thing, he actually responded to Tweets directed at him.) Not surprisingly, the deletion of his Twitter archive did not go unnoticed:</p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">Possible FDA pick <a href="https://twitter.com/balajis">@balajis</a> deleted all his tweets after mtg with Trump today. I archived some from the google cache: <a href="https://t.co/WgOHNijpNM">https://t.co/WgOHNijpNM</a></p> <p>— Christa ? Peterson (@christapeterso) <a href="https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/820430877297545216">January 15, 2017</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p> And:</p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">Trump's pick to lead the FDA, <a href="https://twitter.com/balajis">@balajis</a>, just deleted his tweets, including this one: who needs the FDA when we have online reviews? <a href="https://t.co/koexKqS4uk">pic.twitter.com/koexKqS4uk</a></p> <p>— Christa ? Peterson (@christapeterso) <a href="https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/820378092443037697">January 14, 2017</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p> Also, <a href="http://www.recode.net/2017/1/14/14276530/balaji-srinivasan-trump-fda-twitter-andreessen-horowitz">Peter Kafka at RECODE noted</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> Why would Srinivasan delete his Twitter archive? It would be nice to hear from the man himself, but here’s a reasonable guess: He spent a lot of time criticizing the FDA, and he’d rather pretend those criticisms didn’t exist.</p> <p>Then again, Srinivasan understands how technology works, so he certainly knows that deleting your tweets doesn’t make them disappear. You can get a sense of what Srinivasan used to tweet about by looking at this <a href="https://www.google.com/#q=site:twitter.com+%40balajis+FDA">Google cache</a>.</p> <p>And you can get much more specific, courtesy of people who took screenshots of some of his tweets: In short, Srinivasan seems to think the FDA prevents drug companies and startups from innovating by imposing unnecessary regulations. </p></blockquote> <p>Kafka includes several examples of Srivinasan's anti-FDA Twitter rants, many of which indicate that he shares O'Neill's delusion that the free market is the best method for determining which drugs work the best. In fact, he goes even beyond O'Neill! For instance, in one Tweet from 2014, he said that we "can do vastly better than FDA w/ a Yelp for drugs, including MD star ratings (like all other products)." Last year, he made similar arguments, except that he used eBay, Uber, and Airbnb as the model, as noted here by Christa Peterson:</p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">.<a href="https://twitter.com/balajis">@balajis</a> is pretty into this whole replace-the-FDA-with-online-reviews thing <a href="https://t.co/7YeGE4vzH1">pic.twitter.com/7YeGE4vzH1</a></p> <p>— Christa ? Peterson (@christapeterso) <a href="https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/820381178188283904">January 14, 2017</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p> Notice in one of these, Srivinasan is asked, "But how do you prevent quacks?" His answer: "Scaled Internet reputation systems. Works at massive scale in other areas."</p> <p>Yeah, right. Does this guy have any clue how ignorant of how drugs are developed he sounds? I mean, seriously. This is weapons grade stupid with respect to drug development.</p> <p>Elsewhere:</p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">idk if this needs to be said, but this is a really stupid idea.</p> <p>— Christa ? Peterson (@christapeterso) <a href="https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/820506746837823488">January 15, 2017</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p> Of course, there are many huge problems with a "Yelp for drugs" or using the Uber model. First of all, for restaurants or rides, it's very much apparent to the end user whether the service "worked" or not. Either the food was good or it wasn't. Either it was worth the price to the user or it wasn't. Either the service was good or it wasn't. Either the ride showed up on time and got you where you wanted to go at a reasonable price or it didn't. People can judge these things without any specific expertise. For drugs and devices, that's just not so easily done. Whether a drug is working or not is not necessarily obvious to the user (although it can be sometimes). Also, thanks to something we discuss very frequently here at SBM, whether a drug "works" or not also can be affected by patient expectations and placebo effects, hence the need for randomized, double-blind clinical trials. Peterson nails it again:</p> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr" xml:lang="en">Even if we could get accurate descriptions of users' experiences (we wouldn't), we wouldn't be getting the data we need to evaluate a drug.</p> <p>— Christa ? Peterson (@christapeterso) <a href="https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/820509551011074049">January 15, 2017</a></p></blockquote> <script async="" src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><p> She's produced a <a href="http://archive.is/https://twitter.com/balajis*">pretty comprehensive archive of deleted Srivinasan Tweets</a> regarding the FDA that's worth perusing. His whole philosophy seems to <a href="http://archive.is/Ufkg7#selection-3985.0-3985.139">boil down to this</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> Don't argue about regulation.<br /> Build Uber.<br /> Don't argue about monetary policy.<br /> Build Bitcoin.<br /> Don't argue about it.<br /> Build the alternative. </p></blockquote> <p>That's nice. However, to build an alternative, you need to know how the existing system actually works and why. Srivinasan shows no sign of that with respect to the FDA, as this Tweet showed:</p> <blockquote><p> FDA bears responsibility for many deaths. Blocked many good drugs. <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/12/before-occupy-how-aids-activists-seized-control-of-the-fda-in-1988/249302/">http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/12/before-occupy-how-aids-activists-seized-control-of-the-fda-in-1988</a> </p></blockquote> <p>This is, of course, complete and utter nonsense, as I explained when I <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/11/21/i-fear-for-medical-science-under-donald-trump/">deconstructed Nick Gillespie and Ronald Bailey's articles</a> claiming the same thing.</p> <p>So two of Trump's FDA picks are libertarians, one who thinks that the FDA should only require evidence of safety and that the free market should figure out efficacy, the other who thinks that online reputation systems and ratings can replace FDA regulation. This should not be surprising, as both are acolytes of Peter Thiel.</p> <p>If you haven't heard of him, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel">Peter Thiel</a> is a Silicon Valley venture capitalist who is the co-founder of PayPal. He is also a fervent libertarian known for his belief in a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity">technological singularity</a>, which is, in brief, the hypothesis that the invention of artificial superintelligence will abruptly trigger runaway technological growth, resulting in unfathomable changes to human civilization. According to this hypothesis, an artificial intelligence that is self-upgradable would enter a "runaway reaction" of self-improvement cycles, with each new (and more intelligent) iteration appearing faster and faster, ultimately resulting in a superintelligence that would far surpass all human intelligence, resulting in a radical change in human civilization. Lots of science fiction is based on concepts very much like the singularity. For instance, basically <em>The Terminator</em> movies can be viewed in part as exploring what would happen if the singularity resulted in machine intelligence that decided humans are superfluous. Some believers in the singularity predict that the <a href="http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/immortality-will-be-delivered-by-the-singularity-say-scientists/">singularity will be the path to human immortality</a> through evolving into something else, such as an immortal, ever-improving machine intelligence.</p> <p>Thiel also strongly supports life extension research that often delves deep into woo. Indeed, more than anything, Peter Thiel appears to want, more than anything else, to find a way to escape death and, to that end, has invested millions of dollars into startups working on anti-aging medicine. For instance, Thiel is into parabiosis, which Steve Novella refers to as the "<a href="https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/parabiosis-the-next-snakeoil/">next snakeoil</a>." Basically, it's another "fountain of youth," that postulates that the blood of the young (or, in this case, plasma) will reinvigorate and reverse aging in the old. There's a bit of science there, but let's just say the claims go far beyond what the science supports. Thiel is also very much into supporting seasteading, a movement whose mission is to "to establish permanent, autonomous ocean communities to enable experimentation and innovation with diverse social, political, and legal systems." Basically, the idea is to escape existing governments to try to develop libertarian paradise.</p> <p>Relevant to his influence on Donald Trump's science policy is Thiel's view that the government in general—the "progressive left" in particular (whatever that means)—<a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/278758/end-future-peter-thiel">always impedes scientific innovation</a>:</p> <blockquote><p> Most of our political leaders are not engineers or scientists and do not listen to engineers or scientists. Today a letter from Einstein would get lost in the White House mail room, and the Manhattan Project would not even get started; it certainly could never be completed in three years. I am not aware of a single political leader in the U.S., either Democrat or Republican, who would cut health-care spending in order to free up money for biotechnology research — or, more generally, who would make serious cuts to the welfare state in order to free up serious money for major engineering projects. Robert Moses, the great builder of New York City in the 1950s and 1960s, or Oscar Niemeyer, the great architect of Brasilia, belong to a past when people still had concrete ideas about the future. Voters today prefer Victorian houses. Science fiction has collapsed as a literary genre. Men reached the moon in July 1969, and Woodstock began three weeks later. With the benefit of hindsight, we can see that this was when the hippies took over the country, and when the true cultural war over Progress was lost.</p> <p>Today’s aged hippies no longer understand that there is a difference between the election of a black president and the creation of cheap solar energy; in their minds, the movement towards greater civil rights parallels general progress everywhere. Because of these ideological conflations and commitments, the 1960s Progressive Left cannot ask whether things actually might be getting worse. I wonder whether the endless fake cultural wars around identity politics are the main reason we have been able to ignore the tech slowdown for so long. </p></blockquote> <p>One can't help but note that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses">Robert Moses</a> couldn't have achieved anything like what he achieved without the full power of government behind him to condemn property, bulldoze opposition (literally and figuratively), and pour resources into projects that were often controversial. Ditto Oscar Niemeyer. In any case, to Thiel, it's those nasty "aged hippies" and "Progressive Leftists" (why the capitalization, I wonder) who are to blame for the FDA's problems through their damned "overcautious" insistence on scientific evidence that a drug is effective and that its risks do not outweigh its benefits (i.e., it is safe) before approving drugs.</p> <p>In other words, there is much magical thinking here.</p> <p>Obviously, I don’t like any of the candidates under consideration by the Trump transition team to become FDA Commissioner. Any of them would be very likely to significantly seriously weaken regulations that protect consumers from dangerous and/or ineffective drugs and contaminated food, some more than others. Basically, you have to pick your poison: Do you pick a <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/12/09/fixing-the-fda-by-appointing-a-commissioner-who-doesnt-believe-in-the-fdas-mission/">libertarian who doesn’t think that the FDA should have to require the demonstration of efficacy</a> before approving drugs, a libertarian who thinks that drug approval and regulation can be replaced by online reputation systems, or a bona-fide, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/12/14/schadenfreude-at-the-fda-it-looks-as-though-donald-trump-is-about-to-betray-his-antivaccine-supporters/">honest-to-goodness pharma shill</a>, someone who’s a pharma shill to a level that most pharma shills only dream of?</p> <p>Unfortunately, we probably don't have long to find out. Given the <a href="http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/01/trump-edging-closer-to-appointing.html">news stories late last week</a> about Trump meeting with Jim O'Neill and Balaji Srinivasan, coupled with his tight relationship with Peter Thiel, my guess is that Gottlieb's star is on the wane and that it's probably already a done deal that either O'Neill or Srinivasan will be the new FDA Commissioner, possibly with the other to be appointed Deputy Commissioner. Peter Thiel is basically calling the shots here, and these are his boys. Compared to them, Scott Gottlieb—who, being a physician with deep ties to big pharma, would be the more conventional conservative pick—probably doesn't have a chance. Ironically, to me Gottlieb would be the "least bad" selection because at least we'd know how he would be likely to change the system, even though we know it would be bad.</p> <p>And that's very, very scary.</p> </div> <span><a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a></span> <span>Sun, 01/15/2017 - 21:00</span> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-tags field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Tags</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/skepticismcritical-thinking" hreflang="en">Skepticism/Critical Thinking</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/anti-aging" hreflang="en">anti-aging</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/balaji-srinivasan" hreflang="en">Balaji Srinivasan</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/drug-approval" hreflang="en">drug approval</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/fda" hreflang="en">FDA</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/quackery" hreflang="en">quackery</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/medicine" hreflang="en">medicine</a></div> <div class="field--item"><a href="/tag/politics" hreflang="en">Politics</a></div> </div> </div> <div class="field field--name-field-blog-categories field--type-entity-reference field--label-inline"> <div class="field--label">Categories</div> <div class="field--items"> <div class="field--item"><a href="/channel/policy" hreflang="en">Policy</a></div> </div> </div> <section> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350594" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484539405"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Ironically it's the 'progressive left' who are responsible for Trump becoming the President. </p> <p>Many of them decided that either the Democrats needed to be 'punished' for choosing the wrong person to put up against Trump or that Hillary Clinton 'offended' them and needed to be 'made to go away'. </p> <p>Of course none of them actually bothered to think what that would resort in or if they did all they thought of was the fun they would have protesting Trump becoming president.</p> <p>They have made the same mistake the Tupamaros made in Uruguay in the 1960's/early 1970's unfortunately it's everyone else who has to live with the consequences.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350594&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6d6db_iHzVDlSOqKq1DlnXpzDAZxuY2DtzqtOKJgY0c"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Graham (not verified)</span> on 15 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350594">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350595" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484548301"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If libertarians had their way, they would ban the installation and approve the removal of all those annoyingly socialist stops signs that for decades have hindered the 'freedom' of drivers. </p> <p>Whether the choice for Commissioner is the uber pharma shill or the libertarian who hasn't a clue about the approval of medicines, I would simply refuse to prescribe any drug allowed on the U.S. market during their watch. I can think of a number of countries whose regulators would take a similar if not more rigorous stance. A drug approved for prescription in the U.S. would face greater obstacles in receiving approval in the EU, for instance, if not also Japan, Canada, and Britain, just to name a few countries.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350595&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="7oTaxsUVM4QvjyqfsPNVYVYgjGTkuSpP50ECB0tCwsQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lighthorse (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350595">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350596" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484548846"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Oh holy hell.....and we think drugs and research is China are bad.</p> <p>Imagine how the rest of the world will start looking at products and research coming from the US, if this type of "anti-regulation" is enacted.....</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350596&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="fCt7-tKpKXbNZ--LBGacSYYHC8qjY7M62a_QPGXmtRw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350596">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350597" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484551830"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Anyone who believes that on-line reviews written by the general public are generally accurate and useful is profoundly ignorant, a complete idiot, or both.</p> <p>Probably at about the same time Orac was writing this piece, I was having a conversation about reviews of potassium iodide tablets sold by an Amazon vendor. I noted that many reviewers gave four or five stars. I would bet very substantial sums that next to none of those reviewers even knew for certain that what they received was KI.</p> <p>VAERS comes to mind. Testimonials for homeopathic nostrums and other quack remedies abound. "Writers" (those are contempt quotes) post copious disinformation on eHow and nothing gets fixed when errors are pointed out. Businesses that offend some public sensibility get copious bad reviews on Yelp from people who have never even been in the same state as the business, much less the business itself.</p> <p>My general impression is that perhaps something around 5% of on-line reviews by the general public rise to the level of vaguely helpful. Reviews that are well written and show evidence of thought and objectivity are scarce. Technology forums, as a sort of related class, are almost invariably abominations, where you're really lucky if your question about how to do X using product or operating system Y isn't responded to with replies that you should be using operating system Z and why would you want to do X in the first place - reflecting the mindset of tech types. Useless, opinionated, ignorant, arrogant idiots abound. Some are elected to office.</p> <p>Where can I post a review of Srinivasan?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350597&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="khdpKgztGBCTyVOiOXUyoSDDWrr8zOgRRsiuRoCLTXc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">doug (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350597">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350598" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484556325"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>One can’t help but note that Robert Moses couldn’t have achieved anything like what he achieved without the full power of government behind him to condemn property, bulldoze opposition (literally and figuratively), and pour resources into projects that were often controversial.</p></blockquote> <p>Robert Moses was also more or less singlehandedly responsible for turning the Bronx into the hellhole it is today, and his counterparts in other US cities were largely responsible for making inner city neighborhoods in their cities the hellholes they are today. Leaded gasoline was sill in wide use at the time, and its impacts fell disproportionately on the neighborhoods through which these highways (intended for people passing through the neighborhood, not people actually living there) were built. It is no coincidence that many of the cities that had freeway revolts (e.g., Boston, San Francisco, Washington, and eventually even New York) are among the most livable cities in the US.</p> <p>The law of unintended consequences is strictly enforced, so there would almost certainly be downsides to any proposed "progress". We always have to ask ourselves whether the claimed "progress" is worth the price. In the case of the FDA, we have specific experience that what Thiel, O'Neill, and Srinivasan have in mind will not be worth the price.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350598&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XUCjpYXxcZ5tvfvYPTDOOWWTlU0OvZA5gK4jeNl9tag"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350598">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350599" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484559230"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>doug said, "Where can I post a review of Srinivasan?"</p> <p>doug, I think you just did :)</p> <p>You're absolutely on target with your comments on reviews and their relative worthlessness, but you left out a key issue that REALLY makes online reviews a terrible idea as a way to determine the worth of a service or product.</p> <p>Review shills. There are companies who pay for good reviews of their products. Happens all the time. Some are even well written and thoughtful. Some are just, "Great product, don't know how I lived without it."</p> <p>How I use online reviews is to look at the complaints; how did a vendor resolve a dispute? What problems with the service or product came up, and do they show user error on the part of the consumer, or hint at something I might want to avoid?</p> <p>Even then, it's a crap shoot. Heck, I've bought products based on reviews from Consumer Reports that turned out to be a waste of money, and they at least try to have some kind of process in their reviews (how good you think they are is a conversation for another time, I know some people don't think much of CR). </p> <p>Honestly, when I hear the word "libertarian" anymore, I don't think good things. I basically think "anarchist." They claim they want a "light" regulatory hand but they really mean no regulation at all and a return to caveat emptor. </p> <p>I really don't want to see our society turn into the Ferengi. But that's where it's headed, including the part where women are objects who aren't allowed to wear clothing.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350599&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="1Se277h3LWikzjzILhy2Fhag1yJWrp05aNkTAbwG6fk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Panacea (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350599">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350600" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484560518"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I believe Graham has leveled enough enough simple-minded BS to obtain a post in the Trump administration. I'd explain why the Tupamaros comparison is especially insane, but no doubt, I'd be wasting my time. The outcomes of close elections in the U.S. have so many factors, singling out one is a game for fools.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350600&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="pAJtMWzKID6dmU5yX8CisVyD9tj-XfWw20GDw6y8otM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350600">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="28" id="comment-1350601" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484561308"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You might not be wasting your time for others in the comment thread, even if you are for Graham. I, for one, am not familiar with the Tupamaros.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350601&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KELtCKCa2yEICedcVXctZTRHB7fY2DCKau7TCu1ib7g"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350601">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/oracknows"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/oracknows" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/orac2-150x150-120x120.jpg?itok=N6Y56E-P" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user oracknows" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350602" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484561936"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>sadmar:</p> <blockquote><p>I’d explain why the Tupamaros comparison is especially insane, but no doubt, I’d be wasting my time.</p></blockquote> <p>Not for me. I'm always interested when I learn something I didn't know before.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350602&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uMSZs_zwWLOW7sbXhHqa80dT8-iYCVYxZtXUBhsQqZk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350602">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350603" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484562163"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>No, Robert Moses didn't destroy the Bronx single-handedly, any more than Bernie made Trump president. Again, so many factors involved, and Moses 'just worked there', in the sense he was just the guy who did the detail work on what all sorts of powerful people wanted done.</p> <p>What's scary about the Trump picks is how narrow the interests they serve, how many people stand to get badly harmed, how predictable the consequences are, and how thin the veneer that would pretend they're unintended.</p> <p>To know that Srinivasan is a dangerous kook, you didn't need to read past "Bitcon Startup CEO". Or "Peter Thiel". As awful as Nick Gillespie is, he's capable of putting on a show of being sensible. Pretty much everyone in Silicon Valley is some sort of techno-libertarian, and there are some who are more, shall we say 'careful' or 'limited' in their philosophy. They wouldn't want to run the FDA. Thiel and his crew are the most extreme wackos by orders of magnitude. I think they are clinically nuts, though I'll leave a specific distance diagnosis to Denice. </p> <p>That's the problem with Gillespie and other Libertarians with even less crazy proposals. They all break in the end for laissez faire, and that means Thiel and O'Neill and Srinivasan get the 'liberty' to whatever they want with their money, no matter who and how many their bat-crap insane 'innovations' screw over. Pick Nick, you get Peter. </p> <p>Of course he's trying to sell the idea thinks Sci-Fi has collapsed. He doesn't want anyone reading <i>Ubik</i> or watching <i>Mr. Robot</i>.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350603&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="5W6cPXzfkF3Bpw6OovEm1A-pxo1phRHEo4ELfh9aGnU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350603">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350604" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484562536"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"hence the need for randomized, double-blind clinical trials. "</p> <p>Which the FDA never does for vaccines ...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350604&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="pdViYBYiEuMlSCU3PQwhOUWYLaADlM2qxGXzc2wEw60"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350604">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350605" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484562807"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The FDA approved Flublok with 300% of the HA protein as the regular flu vaccine. Can Orac explain why?</p> <p>Predictable result:<br /><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25428412">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25428412</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350605&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="V9fmdmRPs9qW6zYy3Ze91c0gmrJ2OvbFd4ifAkWoPz8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350605">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350606" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484563800"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Thanks Orac and Julian:<br /> I haven't slept and I'm super busy. but, brief vewrsion: socialist movement in Uruguay, began in the early 60's, began as labor actions, protests, a bit of Robin Hood steal from the rich and give food to the poor. In 1968, the right-wind El Presidente declared a state of emergency, repealed constitutional protections, shut down all street protests with violence, imprisoned and tortured the political opposition. The military officers who did all this stuff had been trained at the CIA-run School of the Americas, and the CIA was backing the regime. In 1970, the Tupamaros began a series of political kidnappings, They would interrogate their captives, and if they got them to reveal their misdeeds, make tapes of the interviews public. The most famous of these was an American advisor named Dan Mitrone, who was later found dead in a car shot twice in the head.,The Tupamaros leadership had wanted him held alive, but when they were all arrested, the men in charge of guarding him panicked and decided to get rid of him. </p> <p>The Mitrone story was the inspiration for the fiction film <i>State of Seige</i> by Costa-Gavros, starring Yves Montand. Excellent movie, btw.</p> <p>Go to Wikipedia [<a href="http://tinyurl.com/h93j3gk">http://tinyurl.com/h93j3gk</a>} to read what Mitrone had actually done, and what the US government said about him after his death, if you want to get sick... </p> <p>I'll leave you all to observe the differences between Uruguay under fascism in 1970, and the U,S. under Obama in 2016.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350606&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BrXdtScuPGeuC5fw793E_uVMnr9eRR_yFB8oMa2kl2o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350606">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350607" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484565768"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>“Writers” (those are contempt quotes) post copious disinformation on eHow and nothing gets fixed when errors are pointed out.</p></blockquote> <p><i>That</i>, being a content farm, is a somewhat different beast. I forget what they pay freelancers to churn out that crap.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350607&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="racYYG3-4IV8xMilT2JiplZUgnDWftWdtWZhqK4JWXA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350607">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350608" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484565880"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Also, the line about <i>Science fiction has collapsed as a literary genre.</i> really makes me wonder if Thiel has connected himself to the whole Sad Puppies/Rabid Puppies attempt at taking over the Hugo awards. Given that the former group has complained about 'affirmative action Hugo awards' and the latter group is run by Theodore Beale, aka Vox Day, it wouldn't entirely surprise me.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350608&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nRurEPikNTPcNFpZmmjjm0_4Tt0GSCh3iMJt8m93Dns"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Jenora Feuer (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350608">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350609" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484571049"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Lighthorse</p> <p><i>I would simply refuse to prescribe any drug allowed on the U.S. market during their watch.</i> </p> <p>That was my thought as well. It means that we would be unable to trust any new drugs coming out of the USA. The only responsible thing would to be to demand legitimate trials in other countries.</p> <p>Come to think of it, what does this do to Big Pharma? Would something like this suggest that they would have to migrate all their drug development and trials to anywhere other than the USA?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350609&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="39JIZVeX8iqeH5piJbgSwQCX8Or88YlZ6Pui2vFJoXM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jrkrideau (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350609">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350610" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484572816"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>You do know what Stage 1 &amp; Stage 2 clinical trials consist of, don't you, Vinu?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350610&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="P6F2bETjn3XJpL7fsa0abXjoSaMLxx4VbTYKTfoWh9o"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350610">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350623" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484599187"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"You do know what Stage 1 &amp; Stage 2 clinical trials consist of, don’t you, Vinu?"</p> <p>Yes, fraud. Like using AAHS as control.<br /><a href="http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM111263.pdf">http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedPr…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350623&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="JAzA4Y7sDb9mKiYSpWLiDL3IAsDy98NI4GM2xSWftHQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350623">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350610#comment-1350610" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350611" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484572912"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>I, for one, am not familiar with the Tupamaros.</p></blockquote> <p>Although the neutrality of the relevant <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupamaros">Wikipedia page</a> is in dispute, there is enough there to demonstrate that Gilbert's invoking them is not even wrong. For starters, the Tupamaros were never part of the Uruguayan government (although one of their member later became President). It gets worse from there.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350611&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BCXPBb42dEu6D5vGu_JZUE_qlaYrzE3dRgn1dJxSPtE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350611">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350612" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484574293"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@doug #4:</p> <blockquote><p>Where can I post a review of Srinivasan?</p></blockquote> <p>Print it out, roll it up tight and thrust it forcefully down the nearest toilet. I get the impression he won't be far away.</p> <p>What is it with these people? How stupid and immoral do they have to be not to realise that their bright ideas will kill people? If they want to ignore regulation in their dealings because 'all regulation is bad', move to China and bribe the local party bigwig. There's a reason they want to build seasteads and not just emigrate to Somalia (Bond villain fantasies not aside).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350612&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="aBVpfVEJUkB7imr8kmHyGsQxy93v6R2hX_hzv_vS7LI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Rich Woods (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350612">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350613" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484574776"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Related gossip on the NIH from <i>Nature</i> News: <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/surprising-contenders-emerge-for-trump-s-nih-chief-1.21295">Ioannidis?</a> Yah.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350613&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wMLqtunppdFv_n718L7ED-gXUBIOgtCEWAWql1m1sJw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350613">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350614" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484575156"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Jenora @ 15, naw, it's because Thiel hasn't saw Azimov. Clarke and Bradbury write any new works.<br /> So, it's obviously because of the hippies.</p> <p>Seriously weapons grade stupidity, assembled in a supercritical configuration.</p> <p>As for online testimonials, I did use a couple of online sites that had physician reviews, in specific, looking for "that miserable doctor wouldn't give me antibiotics for my flu" types of ratings. I also ruled out all physicians who weren't permitted to prescribe controlled substances (I was quite surprised how many there were in the Shreveport metropolitan area).</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350614&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Xqani49vohHwdYsaWQZfCoSvTrwsSJnSw62rWUrSeL4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350614">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350615" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484577192"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Thiel’s view that the government in general—the “progressive left” in particular (whatever that means)—always impedes scientific innovation</i></p> <p>You are making the mistake of assuming intellectual honesty / consistency from Thiel, and confusing his loudly-expressed ideological stand with his actual policy proposals:<br /></p><blockquote>I am not aware of a single political leader in the U.S., either Democrat or Republican, who would cut health-care spending in order to free up money for biotechnology research — or, more generally, who would make serious cuts to the welfare state in order to free up serious money for major engineering projects. Robert Moses, the great builder of New York City in the 1950s and 1960s, or Oscar Niemeyer, the great architect of Brasilia, belong to a past when people still had concrete ideas about the future.</blockquote> <p>He is calling for new Manhattan Projects, new Brasilias, more top-down authoritarian planning; massive government investments / subsidies, so long as they are in projects in infrastructure and medical research that stand to benefit <b>him</b> and so long as there is no democratic oversight.<br /> Thiel may elsewhere complain that the post-Reagan small-government consensus did not go <b>far enough</b> (stand back, get out of the way of corporations, let the market decide where research money goes!), but here he is complaining that it went <b>too far</b>, and he is <b>blaming it on hippies and the Progressive Left</b>.</p> <p><i>there is much magical thinking here.</i><br /> I'd call it "massive intellectual dishonesty from a bullsh1tting douchebag"... but tomahto, tomayto.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350615&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="WwXqK4KpStNMVzRDXDLT9RrkThz-BonjrGh8A6DjKKY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350615">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350616" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484578296"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I submit that after Thiel won the Golden-IPO Lottery and convinced himself that it was all due to his technological nous, he became best-known for using censorious legal asshattery to bankrupt people who speak of him disrespectfully. While Trump has promised stronger defamation laws to stop people criticising him. So I can predict in all confidence that any replacement of the FDA by a Yelp-style consumer-feedback network would be accompanied by corporate-defamation laws, allowing pharmaceutical companies to seek damages from anyone who hurts their business by posting negative reviews.<br /> Not to mention good old-fashioned Tort Reform to stop those frivolous lawsuits from customers claiming "side-effects" or "death".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350616&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="O5WydusyJuoXhc0jDximAoJu77Bbd-XSYLi80Yaysd0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350616">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350617" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484592294"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>naw, it’s because Thiel hasn’t saw Azimov. Clarke and Bradbury write any new works.</p></blockquote> <p>I'd replace Asimov by Heinlein in your list. Asimov was never afraid to admit that he was a liberal. Heinlein started out as a liberal, but sometime in the late 1940s (following his marriage to Virginia Gerstenfeld) his politics shifted to the ultra-libertarianism for which he was known.</p> <p>There has always been a right-wing element among sci-fi authors. Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle are notorious examples. Bradbury, late in life, criticized Michael Moore's explicit reference to his novel <i>Fahrenheit 451</i> in the latter's movie <i>Fahrenheit 9/11</i> (though Moore saw what was happening as more of a validation of Bradbury's novel).</p> <p>Thiel may be lamenting the ascendance of authors who are more in the tradition of Asimov than of Heinlein. It's still a bunch of weapons-grade stupid.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350617&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="KV2bRuZWaYYiUX_npRkC65Jtm2k46BAyRcK38R0LY8E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Eric Lund (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350617">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350618" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484593579"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Rich Woods: How stupid and immoral do they have to be not to realise that their bright ideas will kill people?</p> <p>Killing people is the point, really. They get a tingle, just like God does, when people die. Especially if people die because of lack of health care, or because of complications of pregnancy, or because a chemical spill wiped out a whole town. God is fine with this, and so are they.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350618&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dtLUhi1gBzRiV0a8gQ6tmGnByZ_X8G-QL3O9exWkhFc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350618">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="28" id="comment-1350619" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484594188"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>I’d replace Asimov by Heinlein in your list. Asimov was never afraid to admit that he was a liberal. Heinlein started out as a liberal, but sometime in the late 1940s (following his marriage to Virginia Gerstenfeld) his politics shifted to the ultra-libertarianism for which he was known.</p></blockquote> <p>Indeed. For example, in his novel <em>Starship Troopers</em>, Heinlein basically played the militarism straight, while in the movie Paul Verhoeven played the story as a satire of fascism and militarism.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350619&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rMQ7ygNmPoF43MFDSeqlW7Ak3LIORFy89_qOWoCTV1w"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350619">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/oracknows"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/oracknows" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/orac2-150x150-120x120.jpg?itok=N6Y56E-P" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user oracknows" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350620" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484596947"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Do any of these people even remember how things were like before the FDA was created? We’d go back to the era of medicine shows and likely another incident similar to the elixir sulfanilamide debacle of 1937. These clowns essentially want to repeal the 1938 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act passed in the wake of that debacle, thereby removing the fangs from the FDA which had for the past 78 years done a reasonably good job of preventing a similar incident from happening again. So they want to remove the FDA’s mandate to force drug manufacturers to prove their products effective? Well, I suffer from hypertension, and if the drugs I’m taking aren’t truly effective I could suffer a heart attack or a stroke. Perhaps my widow can write the review on that “Yelp for Drugs” that Mr. Srinivasan is proposing that the drugs I were taking didn’t work. Fat lot of good it does me when the urn with my ashes sits in its crypt.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350620&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="xRaValiSdVnXVSD9zK7Esp5_7LGsUocw96uXhunOJlw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous Coward (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350620">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350621" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484597488"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@sadmar</p> <p>To make things clear, first up I never stated that I supported Trump, and in fact I don't, the man should never have been elected. </p> <p>I bought up the Tupermaros as an example of the law of unexpected consequences. My understanding of their activities was that they wanted to force the govt of Uruguay to become 'facist' so that the ordinary citizens of Uruguay would throw their support behind the revolution. It didn't work out that way. </p> <p>The thing is, in several of the states that Clinton lost to Trump, the difference between them was less than the number of votes given to Jill Stein, and then there is the large number of Democratic registered voters who chose not to on the day. </p> <p>It is discussed on the 394th episode of the Strange Frequencies Radio podcast.</p> <p><a href="https://strangefrequenciesradio.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/sfr-394-how-it-all-went-wrong/">https://strangefrequenciesradio.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/sfr-394-how-it…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350621&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="o4-_SC5rd0Uw10q5X7Q28JcymLn5zMjjGqiJLJBNeyE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Graham (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350621">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350622" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484598152"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The thing is, in several of the states that Clinton lost to Trump, the difference between them was less than the number of votes given to Jill Stein, and then there is the large number of Democratic registered voters who chose not to on the day.</p> <p>It is discussed on the 394th episode of the Strange Frequencies Radio podcast.</p></blockquote> <p>Yes, there's nothing like waving in the general direction of a two-hour podcast to make a case. There's a relevant 538 chat <a href="https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/">here</a>; I haven't read it, as I'm not particularly interested in whining about the existence of other candidates for one not getting one's druthers.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350622&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="zJnDxPvD5TDGIb00lZOkz1XMGYNSRJpeyeXcWHQaWVk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350622">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350624" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484601390"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Do any of these people even remember how things were like before the FDA was created?</p></blockquote> <p>When you are profoundly arrogant and believe that you will make your mark by "disrupting" all that went before, remembering or learning about the past isn't likely to be much of a consideration. If your disrupting product doesn't catch on, oh well. Fiddle with the design, release the new version and see if it does better.</p> <p>I happened to watch the final episode of season 5 of <i>Call the Midwife</i> today. It was partly about the thalidomide disaster in the UK. I was reminded of Dr. Frances Oldham Kelsey, who, in her role at the FDA kept thalidomide from being approved in the US. In Germany, the UK, Canada and other countries the reviews of thalidomide did come in, and were quite negative. But those reviews came after great harm was done. Oh well. Do-over. Better luck next time.</p> <p>Once again I will mention that Tamara Lovett went to the web looking for reviews of dandelion tea and oil of oregano, found positive reviews and used those "remedies" instead of real medicine to treat her 7 year old son Ryan. Ryan is dead. There is no do-over for him.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350624&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="XoxOEtZLOTMJQAU8rrcsvt1531Pz_X_gWOJdLA0PLW4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">doug (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350624">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350625" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484603863"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Graham: sadmar has a point. If you are going to overgeneralize the results of the election to disengaged voters or spoilers, you are grossly underestimating the complex reasons behind Trump's victory. That's not a path to getting a better result in four years.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350625&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="X3qfL2pgUMAcVPkWq-IRBUFNKNnYsLK6r3s1y3QI6NI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Panacea (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350625">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350626" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484606069"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Panacea: That’s not a path to getting a better result in four years.</p> <p>In four years we're either not going to be voting at all or it'll be scumbags as far as the eye can see. The Democratic party needs to accept that we're done for this generation. The US doesn't want progress now or ever.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350626&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CdDOlcBog6cOR0xCvNq8e2-zhd1CzFoXZbGIImlRffY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350626">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350627" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484615291"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Doug #4:</p> <blockquote><p>Anyone who believes that on-line reviews written by the general public are generally accurate and useful is profoundly ignorant, a complete idiot, or both.</p></blockquote> <p>Because I like XKCD...<br /><a href="https://xkcd.com/958/">https://xkcd.com/958/</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350627&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="UeMFlYuc5c9NdxpRn_100dVsULtAh5a-JdaYy77M1pY"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350627">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350628" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484619731"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>It seems that Randall Munroe has made some further cartoons about the dangers of trusting online reviews and ratings. For instance, XKCDs 325 (A-minus-minus), 937 (Tornado Guard), and 1098 (Star Ratings). Not linking to them directly since it makes my post look like spam to the filters… Orz</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350628&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="V1s9LCP-IzowN9-tjBO9cjbY6CEMghOxuYGaQ0JVRu4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Anonymous Coward (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350628">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350629" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484626702"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"I am not aware of a single political leader in the U.S., either Democrat or Republican, ... who would make serious cuts to the welfare state in order to free up serious money for major engineering projects."</p> <p>Huh. In my world, Democrats have been screaming for infrastructure projects for years, blocked by Republicans. Not, mostly, big new projects, but maintaining the older ones at least, with a few big-transit enthusiasts. If the Republicans ever stopped screaming about the deficit (like they will right now), Democrats could afford to start dreaming big again.</p> <p>"Science fiction has collapsed as a literary genre."</p> <p>That's not true from a mass-market standpoint, or from the value of what's being written. Definitely a victim of the Sad Puppies propaganda.</p> <p>"Today’s aged hippies no longer understand that there is a difference between the election of a black president and the creation of cheap solar energy"</p> <p>Uh, we have both? And I'm too young to be a hippy but I am quite aware that a) they are independent forms of progress and b) one party is for them both and one is against them both.</p> <p>Assuming he's not just lying like a MFer, it's kind of sad that he's blind to all the cool new tech that is happening. And yet I can generate only so much sympathy.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350629&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="YyGIpOpg6X6yz3TKtq6NKpSiN9WM4JEgO14JKTADpW0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">BlackPearl (not verified)</span> on 16 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350629">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350630" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484633991"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@jkrideau #16:</p> <p>"Come to think of it, what does this do to Big Pharma? Would something like this suggest that they would have to migrate all their drug development and trials to anywhere other than the USA?"</p> <p>Not all drugs receive approval by regulators in foreign countries on the basis of trials solely conducted in the U.S. In some instances, at least one further trial in patient populations of the foreign country is required before a decision is made. Assuming that rigorous trials in the U.S. were abandoned or the results of what trials were conducted had otherwise become questionable or compromised, far more independent foreign trials would be demanded by the EU, Japan, and Canada before the approval of a drug or therapeutic product from an American source would even be considered.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350630&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="vCz7-nrf5Y2V92KLxqQ7QQFQLq2rHIgqNfDm24L9wE8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lighthorse (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350630">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350631" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484641297"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>PGP: I respectfully disagree . . . and you sound like you've given up. That sounds as bad as the uber liberals who are currently frothing at the mouth in a state of panic.</p> <p>I know a lot of people who think that after one party has had the White House for 8 years, the other should get it. Their politics don't get any more complex than that. And we've certainly seen enough of it in the past 50 years or so, including a couple of double Republican terms. Yet progress steadily marches on. It may zig, it may zag but it gets there eventually.</p> <p>A lot of people thought the world would come to an end with the election of Andrew Jackson. It didn't. He did a lot of damage in 8 years, some of which we're still living with today (the destruction of a central bank is his enduring legacy), but we survived it.</p> <p>We'll survive this.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350631&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ZPKo1a8UnuC6gv4d3qm7pyKHW9o-ACPzVirgFR7NGF4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Panacea (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350631">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350632" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484643897"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ Panacea:</p> <p>I agree.</p> <p>Already there are conflicts within the 'winning' party and actions being planned by the opposition.<br /> When Reagan was elected, he had a higher approval rating and the 'consent' of the electorate in order to push his programme. It won't be easy but DJT will not rule with an iron hand and/ or confidence. Just follow his twitter.<br /> He's not happy.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350632&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SLFMINd1nstgGVotMMFfLOmA89gL8y0WNexGf8Io6DM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350632">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350633" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484645372"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>In related news..</p> <p>The Donald is rather unhappy about the press and is pushing them off into other quarters under some excuse or other.</p> <p>As the saying goes ( paraphrase)<br /> Never make enemies of those who have unlimited supplies of ink.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350633&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="-2d_I0oUBU8lAsRN335pwtsRMZFpGKB2-x0lgDc81Jo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Denice Walter (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350633">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350634" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484649236"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Panacea: I respectfully disagree . . . and you sound like you’ve given up.</p> <p>Well, the country did turn into pretty much wall-to-wall scumbags overnight, and all the news is bad, and will be bad for the foreseeable future. Barring an unlikely accident with catfish or freshwater sharks, we're stuck with scumbags all the way down the chain of command.</p> <p>P:I know a lot of people who think that after one party has had the White House for 8 years, the other should get it.</p> <p>I hope these people are all men, since women are affected more by one party's rhetoric and policies and should really pay more attention to politics. It's literally a matter of life and death.<br /> After all, after these four years are up, we're not even going to be able to vote anymore. If there is another election, which is doubtful.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350634&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="_jrAN7qyM-wpEj_1UbFS7ffkp9py8XVlq4lPCWF2w6k"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Politicalguineapig (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350634">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350635" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484650436"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Whereas PGP has given up &amp; should probably just put herself out of her self-imposed misery, I have determined that the best course of action, for the near term, is to act locally.</p> <p>Just because idiots elected Drumpf, doesn't mean that I can't work to ensure that my community maintains its place as a diverse, educated, and welcoming area.</p> <p>She can give up, if she wants, but I, for one, am bound and determined to actually do something about it.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350635&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="P8lTZ8OPl6DrhZCUZzprUTqDr7YB15qCjiEmMRG8u0E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350635">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350636" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484652449"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>The Donald is rather unhappy about the press ...</p></blockquote> <p>Hey, if online ratings are good enough to determine the quality and suitability for purpose of pharmaceuticals, surely press ratings should be adequate to determine the quality and suitability for purpose of loud mouthed ignorant arrogant liars.</p> <p>AC &amp; JF, thanks for the XKCD. I rate them several stars each.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350636&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="nXDelruvtWpKRVyDXHoLNtvCUFahNgSFBh3XdYJ7mZo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">doug (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350636">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350637" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484656208"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Lawrence: I'm trying to do something about it "locally" myself. I spend a fair amount of time on FB debunking BS memes and fake news, whether it be "conservative" or "liberal." </p> <p>These people can spread their BS on FB but I don't have to let them get away with it, and occassionally I do manage to get someone to actually think, so it's been worthwhile.</p> <p>I'm also holding my elected reps feet to the fire. Letters and phone calls. I'm holding them accountable for what they do. I may live in a deep red Congressional district and a purple state, but I'm not giving them carte blanche to do what they want.</p> <p>If people keep letting Congress know they don't have a mandate, they will get the message eventually. I think we'll have a Democratic Congress in 2108.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350637&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="iZ3EziF0O6aqh9eUy_lYjKMpklxaOy23qzdhI9vHdFU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Panacea (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350637">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350638" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484668381"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Which the FDA never does for vaccines</i></p> <p>Efficacy of a prophylactic adjuvanted bivalent L1 virus-like-particle vaccine against infection with human papillomavirus types 16 and 18 in young ... - PubMed - NCBI<br /> Sustained efficacy and immunogenicity of the human papillomavirus (HPV)-16/18 AS04-adjuvanted vaccine: analysis of a randomised placebo-controlled ... - PubMed - NCBI<br /> Efficacy of 23-valent pneumococcal vaccine in preventing pneumonia and improving survival in nursing home residents: double blind, randomised and p... - PubMed - NCBI<br /> Efficacy of nine-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine against pneumonia and invasive pneumococcal disease in The Gambia: randomised, double-blind,... - PubMed - NCBI<br /> Efficacy of human papillomavirus type 16/18 AS04-adjuvanted vaccine in Japanese women aged 20 to 25 years: final analysis of a phase 2 double-blind... - PubMed - NCBI<br /> Immunogenicity, reactogenicity, and safety of human papillomavirus 16/18 AS04-adjuvanted vaccine in Japanese women: interim analysis of a phase II,... - PubMed - NCBI ,Safety, efficacy and effectiveness of cold-adapted, live, attenuated, trivalent, intranasal influenza vaccine in adults and children.<br /> A double-blind, placebo-controlled study of the safety and immunogenicity of live, oral type 4 and type 7 adenovirus vaccines in adults<br /> Safety and immunogenicity following administration of a live, attenuated monovalent 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine to children and adults in two rando... - PubMed - NCBI</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350638&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="B4UjRaSr6v8GIvFr5oMpY515qfBWsPJh2vDnnpSlkPo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">shay simmons (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350638">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350639" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484685398"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>My comment was based on Dr.Offit's response below.</p> <p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/paul-offit-a-choice-not-to-get-a-vaccine-is-not-a-risk-free-choice/">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/paul-offit-a-choice-not-to-ge…</a><br /> "And if you have a large enough cohort of children who are vaccinated or unvaccinated, you can bet that there will be children in the unvaccinated group who will suffer that consequence. And no Institutional Review Board, and frankly no ethical researcher, could ever do that study, because you know that you have frankly condemned those in the unvaccinated group — some in the unvaccinated group — to develop diseases which can permanently harm them and/or kill them. You can’t do that study.And if you have a large enough cohort of children who are vaccinated or unvaccinated, you can bet that there will be children in the unvaccinated group who will suffer that consequence. And no Institutional Review Board, and frankly no ethical researcher, could ever do that study, because you know that you have frankly condemned those in the unvaccinated group — some in the unvaccinated group — to develop diseases which can permanently harm them and/or kill them. You can’t do that study."</p> <p>Do you believe Dr.Offit, or do you believe the "unethical" researchers and their results from the trial in The Gambia?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350639&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ynDP0fwG7bZxlRijtjgA5ZkEBaqYkyACsRzyU40zuNw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Vinu Arumugham (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350639">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350638#comment-1350638" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">shay simmons (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350640" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484704049"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@PanaceaB</p> <p>Bienvenu au Canada.</p> <p>Strangely enough, we tend to like immigrants, heck even Americans (my mother was one).</p> <p>Check out the job listings and be prepared to argue with Immigration.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350640&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E6zvzN6c6SPUnlqMUOyISQG43ISsan4k949oRD7mQls"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">jrkrideau (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350640">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350641" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484713769"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>There has always been a right-wing element among sci-fi authors. Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle are notorious examples.</i></p> <p>"Oath of Fealty" comes to mind, as a depiction of a neo-feudalist utopia. The title is a fair description of the world-view... obedience to authority presented as Libertarian freedom.<br /> I'm 99% confident that Thiel has read "Oath of Fealty", and thought "This high-tech authoritarian arcology sounds great, but it would be even better as a floating sea-stead rather than a land-based structure, so we could simply throw dissidents overboard".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350641&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="LyXbOrcGMyz6YadL1RnsX9xsrvbHSPjmWhRlUyaTXRE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 17 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350641">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350642" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484719232"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@vinu #46:</p> <blockquote><p>Do you believe Dr. Offit, or do you believe the “unethical” researchers and their results from the trial in The Gambia?</p></blockquote> <p>Way to miss the point. Offit was talking about calls from antivaxxers to have large scale double blind vaccinated/unvaccinated studies for vaccines that are currently on the schedule. Those studies were to test the efficacy and safety of vaccines prior to deciding whether or not to add them to the schedule. You really are clueless.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350642&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uKh1qXAFmfytqq3f7metqWPeR-9nfs57Gs6IvKQJDRg"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350642">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350650" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484782353"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If the original studies were done right, there would be no reason to repeat them now. Vaccine ingredients have not been individually safety tested (food protein contaminants for example).Severe adverse events are not on the "solicited adverse event list" and are therefore dismissed as not being caused by the vaccine.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350650&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MTb_ekY5W1z5kFcxIsBRp0tWHol3g-dwaN3PXdgaplA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350650">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350642#comment-1350642" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="28" id="comment-1350643" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484739214"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Well, it looks like Srivanasan is out of the running, thanks to his many Tweets attacking the FDA:</p> <p><a href="https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/17/tweets-fda-srinivasan/">https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/17/tweets-fda-srinivasan/</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350643&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="MyeVit_I2A8KBiJIqMuMHB7mtnqTPpzd2ojUPA1qIvM"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350643">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/oracknows"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/oracknows" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/orac2-150x150-120x120.jpg?itok=N6Y56E-P" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user oracknows" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="28" id="comment-1350644" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484739266"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Matt Herper thinks it'll be Gottlieb, who, as bad as he is, would probably be the least bad of the three candidates:</p> <p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2017/01/18/what-trumps-libertarian-pals-dont-understand-about-the-fda-or-reality">http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2017/01/18/what-trumps-libert…</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350644&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="phONqx_fd_mqkOeVFl9QxHlkXHAWG_FEOypdZwG1FAA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <a title="View user profile." href="/oracknows" lang="" about="/oracknows" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">oracknows</a> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350644">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/oracknows"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/oracknows" hreflang="en"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/pictures/orac2-150x150-120x120.jpg?itok=N6Y56E-P" width="100" height="100" alt="Profile picture for user oracknows" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350645" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484741403"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>it would be even better as a floating sea-stead rather than a land-based structure</p></blockquote> <p>What a wonderful idea. Of course, it didn't turn out so well for Rapture but that city was submerged. Nor did it fare well for Columbia, which was a city floating above the clouds... Maybe the objectionalism and minarchism are a problem after all? </p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN8LgXsJJNA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN8LgXsJJNA</a></p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350645&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="TrdJIOWXEegMbUvz4awknS-x7LQIRuKNkxeyIiB6dYU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Gilbert (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350645">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350646" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484742238"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Today I read an opinion piece in my newspaper, stating Donald Trump wouldn't do crazy things, because he wants to be elected for a second term, because otherwise he would be a loser, which he doesn't want to be.</p> <p>Still not sure this will keep him from doing the wrong things with the FDA.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350646&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dPkwHvGzRIoCc22_cBNbli6E-qq9ZV7-Bd7frRhDASU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Renate (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350646">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350647" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484743881"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I'm still not convinced Trump is going to last his first term, much less being concerned about a second.....I think we will learn a lot over the next 100 days or so.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350647&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="cx6iq9FJmPUuQuCxlAQUBdIgMnRr-gv_tS5t1gtujuo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Lawrence (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350647">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350648" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484744323"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That whooshing sound was the point going over Vinu's head (#46) so far a HAWK missile wouldn't bring it down.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350648&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Q50dCvUOswFInO0wQQD9fGbWlnzSLmcAa9v1_Yfp0mc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">shay simmons (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350648">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350649" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484757861"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>That screed by Thiel is hilarious. He does realize that the Internet was basically created by the government doesn't he? No Internet, no Pay Pal. Of course, he did it all "by himself".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350649&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="v3tLK49SHTTe36OfCatfRlcOGu7n2RAdKWX-cHnyYTE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Riv (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350649">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350651" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484784593"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@Renate #53, true. One can still do absolutely idiotic things that are not insane.<br /> @Riv #56:</p> <blockquote><p> He does realize that the Internet was basically created by the government doesn’t he?</p></blockquote> <p>I think not. Thiel is a libertarian. To him, "government is bad" is a truism. As is "I did it by myself".</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350651&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="CnAQ1GcvfhG78Bfb6-6e0_OdWEwoMhOnk5u-9fJzYT4"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350651">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350652" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484785635"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Maybe Srivanasan's name was floated to make the eventual nominee look more palatable by comparison. Living just North of Silicon Valley, I'd never heard anything about Jim O'Neill, but Srivanasan has a public profile as a general purpose technolibertarian kook, unrelated to anything specific to the FDA. A sort of self-parody of the Twitter-pontificating "I can't believe he said that" tech-bro, indistinguishable from an <i>Onion</i> parody thereof...</p> <p>@ Graham<br /> Fwiw, I didn't say you had any affinity for Trump, as #1 expressed obvious dismay at his election. I was tossing a bit of 'unintended consequences' back at you, by saying your argument is as bogus as those made by various Trump appointees. As for the Tupamoros, their tactics at any point are certainly open to criticism. I doubt they set out "to force the govt to become ‘facist’ so ordinary citizens would support revolution." But that sounds like the kind of claim radical groups issue as propaganda to try to turn lemons to lemonade. </p> <p>In any event, dissidents don't 'force' fascists to turn to repressive police/military violence, suspension of rights, mass arrests and torture. They do that because they're fascists. Unless you want to blame Pinochet on Allende, or blame the crimes of the Aparheid regime on the ANC, or other similar ridiculous arguments routinely offered by the American right. If you check the history of US activities and policies in Latin America, it was pro-fascist and anti-democratic from the get go of the 20th Century. The School of the Americas was created in 1946, and yes it was our military that taught Latin American scumbags how to stage coups, institute dictatorial regimes, 'disappear' any opposition, use torture more effectively, assassinate nuns and all that good stuff.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350652&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="hAGb_6x1lGOkOVKQd88mZTRhubrWDeGc0FcAC7CASIQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350652">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350653" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484786760"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i> to make the eventual nominee look more palatable by comparison</i></p> <p>My money is on Deepak Chopra.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350653&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E-oDV0w_c-mvqMZAHZPtZHFU3-fcqIrxC7QprvwLxwQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350653">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350654" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484787873"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>My money is on Deepak Chopra.</p></blockquote> <p>He does have a YUUUGE Twitter following, after all...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350654&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="E_okXFmPhWy8tvJccPtUiC1sHU4fVM4Dlc6fFYYDSd0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JP (not verified)</span> on 18 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350654">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350655" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484849084"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I can't speak for any pharma CEOs (who generally wouldn't know science if it bit them in the face), but the actual people who work in pharma are not at all excited about a clinical-trial free future.<br /> 1) We want to know if the drug works, because we're scientists, and that's kind of the point of science, answers.<br /> 2) No insurance company in the world is going to pay for a drug without evidence that it actually works. And the patient pool who has hundreds of thousands of dollars lying around to drop on something that *might* work is infinitesimal.</p> <p>As to Theil's comment about science fiction, yeah, he sounds somewhere between Sad and Rabid. Probably scared off by all the women authors who've won Hugos recently. Or Scalzi. Theil is making Elon Musk sound more sensible every day. HyperLoops for everyone!</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350655&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="8d8w8tsJcv8VuYknkW_cemPs-xzJQDPVuKiIdI3DOOs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350655">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350656" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484860863"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@ JustaTech;</p> <p>I hear you about the science-minded folks who work for the pharmas. Honestly, it's a head-scratcher even for half-marxist me that the pharmas are major bank-roll for the free-marketeer anti-regulatory warriors, but that's where the empirical facts lie. I probably wouldn't put it all on the CEOs, since they're responsible to boards, and big investors, and if they don't maximize profit every quarter, they get purged. </p> <p>I'd also guess that they're counting on 'evidence that the meds actually work" jiggered a little in their favor, and have strategies on place to get insurers to pay for the new stuff – not the more long-shot right-to-try things, but the ones just over the line at present. And mainly, I think it's less about things-that-wouldn't-get-approved now than just getting the things-that-would-probably-get-approved out into the market faster. I'd also guess they're no much afraid of increased liability, as they're counting on those conservative politicos they back to get across 'tort reform' to make judgments limited and harder to get.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350656&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="bA1ENJmwSEidVWl5SkVURdm2L0I-fj_e_SbHsXwP3EQ"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350656">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350663" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484936433"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The biggest problem with getting a product to market earlier is, well, do you remember Vioxx?</p> <blockquote><p>Merck withdrew the drug after disclosures that it withheld information about rofecoxib's risks from doctors and patients for over five years, resulting in between 88,000 and 140,000 cases of serious heart disease.</p></blockquote> <p>This, of course, happened post-approval. Rushing a product to market can also result in missing similar problems, which would have been caught under our current approval regime.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350663&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="90xVi5k2S8D3GO7To0PpJhoPoZDqD5LD0Bgz3NjkDwc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350663">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350656#comment-1350656" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">sadmar (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350657" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484870981"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>@vinu #50:</p> <blockquote><p>If the original studies were done right, there would be no reason to repeat them now. </p></blockquote> <p>Um, the vaccine tested in The Gambia was the nine-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine. In other words, a very new vaccine. That was very likely the original study for that vaccine.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350657&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="OpcldrBpdpNnfBhyc1M5JIz_Bq_iDFTkStjSriwoYOk"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350657">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350658" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484873186"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>I was referring to the Offit article.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350658&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6Un5sAlWht5BgrPwumcC2GDg6QMd2bN2ZF-JsgjKX0Q"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 19 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350658">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350657#comment-1350657" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350659" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484890366"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>.Severe adverse events are not on the “solicited adverse event list” and are therefore dismissed as not being caused by the vaccine.</p></blockquote> <p>Neither is delayed flights, but I swear to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that the last two times I've had vaccines, I've had delayed flights within a fortnight.</p> <p>Maybe they were left out of the list because rigorous studies didn't show a causation?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350659&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="BMyH8ZHQjqpd2xjTHuGhzTW9y5eUNGS8KeOWBr8wf40"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gaist (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350659">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350665" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484945099"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"rigorous studies "<br /> Please point us to those studies.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350665&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="9Tit3ho5VBa5YOMhpeQgTaQ6oxEy5HESl8yvwNTJwaE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350665">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350659#comment-1350659" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">gaist (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350660" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484908617"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>vinu, I am having considerable difficulty working out what you're getting at.<br /> In your comment #46 in response to shay, you end by saying</p> <blockquote><p>Do you believe Dr.Offit, or do you believe the “unethical” researchers and their results from the trial in The Gambia?</p></blockquote> <p>I responded at #49 by pointing out that</p> <blockquote><p>Offit was talking about calls from antivaxxers to have large scale double blind vaccinated/unvaccinated studies for vaccines that are currently on the schedule.</p></blockquote> <p>and that the vaccine trial in The Gambia</p> <blockquote><p>was the nine-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine. In other words, a very new vaccine.</p></blockquote> <p>You then responded at #50 with</p> <blockquote><p>If the original studies were done right, there would be no reason to repeat them now.</p></blockquote> <p>At #64 I pointed out that</p> <blockquote><p>the vaccine tested in The Gambia was the nine-valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine. In other words, a very new vaccine. That was very likely the original study for that vaccine.</p></blockquote> <p>You then replied at #65 by saying</p> <blockquote><p>I was referring to the Offit article.</p></blockquote> <p>If that was the case, then why did you even say</p> <blockquote><p>Do you believe Dr.Offit, or do you believe the “unethical” researchers and their results from the trial in The Gambia?</p></blockquote> <p>That's just a non-sequitur.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350660&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="tusFdVeCv9siY9lMkWqwmqycMq060C-G-c-750qFYUE"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350660">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350666" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484961618"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>" Offit was talking about calls from antivaxxers to have large scale double blind vaccinated/unvaccinated studies for vaccines that are currently on the schedule."</p> <p>There would be no calls to perform these studies, if the proper studies were performed BEFORE placing them on the schedule. In fact, it is better late than never. But I suspect Offit knows what the results will be so he does not want to perform the studies.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350666&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="SDHkFNfFLpQz69WZNIx_mmQ9wU7TNK0vqJCOYvcXXqA"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350666">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350660#comment-1350660" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350661" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484911669"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>JustaTech: "2) No insurance company in the world is going to pay for a drug without evidence that it actually works"</p> <p>When I read that I was thinking of the recent article on SBM on how a jury ruled in a cross action suit against a company selling homeopathic remedies:<br /><a href="https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/junk-science-helps-homeopathic-remedy-company-win-class-action/">https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/junk-science-helps-homeopathic-remedy-…</a></p> <p>Every homeopathic remedy gets a pass for every ailment, because they are just sugar pills. Too many people claim they work, so they must work. Take that to the next logical conclusion. ;-)</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350661&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="eD4onMs0PJuRQGauKRiMp1inTRkL4C8HVijpQDWVcy8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350661">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350662" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484918602"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Chris @69: Well, homeopathic stuff is already kind-of sort-of covered by some FDA-ness. And I don't think that any of the over-the-counter homeopathic stuff is covered by insurance anyway (like most OTC stuff).</p> <p>I was more thinking the super-expensive new cancer treatments.</p> <p>But yeah, the trial in that article was pretty irritating.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350662&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="2N33xKenzEuUzRb8r7a-cFqN1-DcE9b13Q9Pl12zcLU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350662">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350664" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484936917"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>One problem is, insurance companies don't want to pay for expensive treatments at all and use every dodge in the playbook that they can to keep a new and hence, expensive drug off of their formulary.<br /> My wife was prescribed an immunotherapy for her advanced osteoporosis, the insurance company declined it, another proposed, declined, rinse and repeat for all such therapies.<br /> I changed insurance companies, BCBS covers several of such therapies, doesn't a bunch more.</p> <p>The same is true on procedures. 30 years ago, I knew a man who couldn't get coronary bypass surgery performed. The insurance company called it an experimental procedure that hence, was not covered. He died soon after.<br /> After a hue and a cry over a handful of years and needless deaths, my father had a heart attack and insurance covered his coronary bypass surgery when he was age 61.<br /> He died a few years ago at age 84. At least his great grandchildren can remember him.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350664&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Z2dd7sDJycrvkkyuwiuk-zwCmNTysb8etVXiYkE04jU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 20 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350664">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350662#comment-1350662" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">JustaTech (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350667" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1484993355"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>There would be no calls to perform these studies, if the proper studies were performed BEFORE placing them on the schedule.</p></blockquote> <p>The proper studies WERE done before placing the vaccines on the schedule. The problem is, wooden-headed antivaxxers insist that the studies weren't good enough.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350667&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RyYLZPs1FV-4376_cReLXETqsRRAl2K5ucTXJZEKykU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 21 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350667">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350668" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1485013380"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>"The proper studies WERE done "<br /> Please point us to the studies demonstrating that the amount of milk protein in a vaccine is safe. Same for yeast, soy etc.<br /> The only antibody titers measured are to the viral/bacterial proteins. Why not for ALL the contaminating proteins?<br /> Why would Amorphous Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate [AAHS] be used a control in the study?<br /><a href="http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM111263.pdf">http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedPr…</a><br /> The vaccine safety studies are a joke. That's why vaccine safety is an oxymoron.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350668&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="Dzz3lVygc3W_YcbsY8IdCbnOVraVhltZG2yLM1iYlUs"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 21 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350668">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350667#comment-1350667" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350669" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1485014280"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Dr. Jay Gordon,<br /> It would be interesting to hear your understanding of the following:</p> <p><a href="https://iom.nationalacademies.org/Reports/2011/Adverse-Effects-of-Vaccines-Evidence-and-Causality.aspx">https://iom.nationalacademies.org/Reports/2011/Adverse-Effects-of-Vacci…</a></p> <p>Document Pg. 65 (pdf pg. 94 ): </p> <p>“Adverse events on our list thought to be due to IgE-mediated<br /> hypersensitivity reactions<br /> Antigens in the vaccines that the committee is charged with reviewing do<br /> not typically elicit an immediate hypersensitivity reaction (e.g.,<br /> hepatitis B surface antigen, toxoids, gelatin, ovalbumin, casamino acids).<br /> However, as will be discussed in subsequent chapters, the<br /> above-mentioned antigens do occasionally induce IgE-mediated<br /> sensitization in some individuals and subsequent hypersensitivity<br /> reactions, including anaphylaxis.”</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350669&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ub1uBMRPHf7AkwplAZrtEec-kp5svXadvc9mrUlhvBw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 21 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350669">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350670" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1485040199"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Was the reference to Robert Moses supposed to be an argument for or against government?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350670&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="HsglUSbeGgBljI44rTeHwOk5I2LSE7fRYumXUuF3kfw"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Joseph Hertzlinger (not verified)</span> on 21 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350670">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350671" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1485048115"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><blockquote><p>Dr. Jay Gordon,<br /> It would be interesting to hear your understanding of the following</p></blockquote> <p>Is there anything in particular that causes you to think he's, y'know, <b>reading this comment thread</b>, Vinu?</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350671&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="6V7rglKPNkimQo43Rsw-xBnaKKk2TU37CLLPt9Nahr0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Narad (not verified)</span> on 21 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350671">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350672" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1485464918"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p><i>Thiel, who’s advising Trump on science and technology in the new administration, is a libertarian who has advocated for disrupting society with technology in order to improve it.</i></p> <p>The idea of Thiel as a stalwart member of the Trump administration became even more delightful when we learned that such is his patriotism and his confidence in the benefits that will result from his advice, he recently bought citizenship in New Zealand.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350672&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="rQq9jNXjv19e1Cp1AlSYp7N1mxkJ1CtL5eOrsPR24OU"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 26 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350672">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350673" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1485467649"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>How much does one pay to buy citizenship in New Zealand?<br /> I've been considering moving there and raising sheep after I retire.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350673&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wCKv_EsB2rUnw34IRn63Z2Fq1qyXYDRJKYhaX0lkvKc"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 26 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350673">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350672#comment-1350672" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350674" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1485471413"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>If you have not been there, the sand flies are horrible ...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350674&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="n-Ke_Pxeu4Zw44EHeV5zRYCfUQDvWx1VlUm3aPbSS-8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 26 Jan 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350674">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350673#comment-1350673" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div></div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350675" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1486425777"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>For your "entertainment".<br /><a href="http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2017/02/07/Consumers-must-be-protected-from-dangerous-quackery1">http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2017/02/07/Consumers-must-be-protec…</a><br /> This is why a Yelp for drugs will fail.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350675&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="wUI9WdQ9ybiP2fN4LcCLRj6xOfvba1ZJi2f-NxgbLT8"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Julian Frost (not verified)</span> on 06 Feb 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350675">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350676" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1486429517"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Mr. Frost: "This is why a Yelp for drugs will fail."</p> <p>Another fail is an <a href="https://www.intelius.com/people/Vinu-Arumugham/San+Jose-CA/0c62sjx2x3x">executive from Cisco</a> to avoid WiFi. Especially since that company made it ubiquitous everywhere.</p> <p>Hello, Vinu the hypocrite.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350676&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="dwichv8-pU__zf4FOwMQpDSrB6LMThk7dJO5RHlaooI"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span> on 06 Feb 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350676">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> <div class="indented"> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350678" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1486430377"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>The guy who invented E=mc^2 had no control of how it would be used. He can only warn of the danger ...</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350678&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="uPCg27Mr5QF5MtyrJZe8gLsJ4fsG0eFiKqACNV7Uz6E"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">vinu arumugham (not verified)</span> on 06 Feb 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350678">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350676#comment-1350676" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350679" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1486446554"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Laughably, I am EM sensitive. After having a cataract removed and an IOL inserted, I can now see into near-UV and long wae UV bands.<br /> Apparently, the natural crystalline lens filters all forms of UV light. The plastic entirely refrains from doing so, so it's up to one's receptors.</p> <p>Yes, I can see "black light" illuminated items far better than most. Using a UV flashlight (or sunlight), I can see the security markings on US currency as well as the primary markings.<br /> Downside, it also illuminates what is likely proteins in my eye, so higher illumination in long wae UV tends to dazzle me badly.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350679&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="ESqad1nJBpcn4Vcz6CgZicz_RLaqipFfGBwmGF5wHHo"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Wzrd1 (not verified)</span> on 07 Feb 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350679">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> <p class="visually-hidden">In reply to <a href="/comment/1350676#comment-1350676" class="permalink" rel="bookmark" hreflang="en"></a> by <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">Chris (not verified)</span></p> </footer> </article> </div> <article data-comment-user-id="0" id="comment-1350677" class="js-comment comment-wrapper clearfix"> <mark class="hidden" data-comment-timestamp="1486429782"></mark> <div class="well"> <strong></strong> <div class="field field--name-comment-body field--type-text-long field--label-hidden field--item"><p>Vinu maligns the NZ sandflies. They are no problem at all if you restrict your beachtime or river activities to the hours of darkness. When the mosquitos will get you instead.</p> </div> <drupal-render-placeholder callback="comment.lazy_builders:renderLinks" arguments="0=1350677&amp;1=default&amp;2=en&amp;3=" token="RPJhuLhBW_aDdDfSKmeUTlpVXJa5BoOIhZB53xr9OV0"></drupal-render-placeholder> </div> <footer> <em>By <span lang="" typeof="schema:Person" property="schema:name" datatype="">herr doktor bimler (not verified)</span> on 06 Feb 2017 <a href="https://scienceblogs.com/taxonomy/term/977/feed#comment-1350677">#permalink</a></em> <article typeof="schema:Person" about="/user/0"> <div class="field field--name-user-picture field--type-image field--label-hidden field--item"> <a href="/user/0" hreflang="und"><img src="/files/styles/thumbnail/public/default_images/icon-user.png?itok=yQw_eG_q" width="100" height="100" alt="User Image" typeof="foaf:Image" class="img-responsive" /> </a> </div> </article> </footer> </article> </section> <ul class="links inline list-inline"><li class="comment-forbidden"><a href="/user/login?destination=/insolence/2017/01/16/next-up-on-the-trump-fda-crazy-train-a-man-who-thinks-that-a-yelp-like-system-will-do-better-than-the-fda-at-maintaining-drug-safety%23comment-form">Log in</a> to post comments</li></ul> Mon, 16 Jan 2017 02:00:46 +0000 oracknows 22471 at https://scienceblogs.com