Last week Keith Windschuttle, editor of Quadrant declared:
People who are really confident [of their facts] relish debate.
It seems that Windschuttle has no confidence in the articles on climate science he has been publishing. Windschuttle rejected without even looking at it, an article by David Karoly correcting the errors and misinformation in those articles. His reply to Karoly (quoted with permission):
Thanks for your offer but at the moment Quadrant is focusing on offering a platform for the sceptical position on this issue. We find that the pro-IPCC position is very well represented in almost every media outlet in the country, including academic journals and websites, but it is very difficult for sceptics to find any outlet for their voices to be heard. Hence, in the interests of balance, we believe the sceptics deserve a fair go in a little journal like ours. If the current position changes, we will be glad to consider pro-IPCC articles such as yours.
If Windschuttle had any confidence at all in the accuracy of the articles he published, then he would have accepted Karoly's article. His case would be greatly strengthened if the articles he published promoting it could take Karoly's best shot and remain standing. It seems he is frightened that Karoly would score a few knockouts on them.
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> It seems that Windschuttle has no confidence in the articles on climate science he has been publishing.
By now I'm no longer surprised. Whenever climate inactivists whine about activists being guilty of something, it usually means that they themselves are much, much worse.
Eek.
I'd thought Dr Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen of Energy&Environment was the main representative of this approach, but it appears OZ has its own.
It's clear now. Plimer is silenced and Karoly isn't.
"the pro-IPCC position is very well represented in almost every media outlet in the country". Even this little snippet is false. The Australian , for example , makes sure that the pro-IPCC position does not get a fair run. Somebody needs to point out to Windschuttle that a so called argument is not a argument if its assertions are not argued. The conclusion that giving sceptics a " fair go" gives them the right to make assertions without argument is idiotic.
"the pro-IPCC position is very well represented in almost every media outlet in the country".
Every other media outlet, but NOT in his own magazine, is that it ?
The key word there seems to be "almost," in case you missed it.
People who are really confident [of their facts] relish debate.
Even fools who are confident that the denialist tripe they read is "facts". So they relish passing on talking points. So what? What value is this?
The value is that this approach continues the attempts to keep the FUD out there.
At least they are honest about their tactics.
Best,
D
Dano, they relish "debate" as long as their own "facts" aren't the ones cast in doubt.
>but it is very difficult for sceptics to find any outlet for their voices to be heard.
Mr Windschuttle, are you delusional or simply dishonest? You know perfectly well that the GW "sceptic" viewpoint is repeatedly supported in a number of newspapers, and especially in Australia. It is clear that you have little interest in the truth of the matter.
Is 'Quadrant' anything more than a mouthpiece for right-wing anti-science propaganda?
I'm beginning to like this Quadrant publication.
I will write them an article on the visionary nature of Marxism-Leninism and the damnable lie that Stalin was guilty of atrocities in helming the Soviet State to greatness. This is a POV which is, unfortunately, even more suppressed than climate skepticism. The filthy capitalist paradigm - with its obviously self-serving function and lack of real data - should be a veritable pinata for me as I enter into my new close, friendly working relationship with Quadrant. And I want no classical economics true-believers to use their George Bush-derived pseudoscience babble to pretend this won't be a smashing success. He's been getting FAT lately!
I shall, I think, follow up with the benefits of Mithraism, Wicca, and eugenic euthanasia.
Quadrant superstar status, here I come! G'Day, science world!
So Keith wishes to promote anti-scientific gibberish? This from the man who decried the supposed lack of rigour in the work of Australian historians? Can't be the same bloke,surely....
Note the phrasing: there is a "pro-IPCC" and presumably an anti-IPCC "position" on this "issue". To Windschuttle it's a political debate. No sense that there might be actual facts involved.
Just change IPCC to evolution and this looks eerily familiar ...
Thanks for your offer but at the moment Quadrant is focusing on offering a platform for the sceptical position on this issue. We find that the pro-evolution position is very well represented in almost every media outlet in the country, including academic journals and websites, but it is very difficult for sceptics to find any outlet for their voices to be heard. Hence, in the interests of balance, we believe the sceptics deserve a fair go in a little journal like ours. If the current position changes, we will be glad to consider pro-evolution articles such as yours.
That is a good analogy Skeptic but the idea that the IPCC position is well argued in the Australian press is false.
Am I missing something here? Has anybody else bothered looking at the link to David Karoly's supposed critique of the Quadrant articles? If they had, they would have been directed to a transcript of the ABC's Catalyst program, 15/11/07. If David Karoly's actual response to the Quadrant articles is available, could we please see it ?
> Whenever climate inactivists whine about activists being guilty of something, it usually means that they themselves are much, much worse.
This is true of right-wingers in general. They are always projecting. Whether it's family-falues senators having gay bathroom sex or earnest creationists complaining about their views being supressed, the surest way to know what a right-winger is up to is to pay attention to what he is accusing his opponents of.
O_o
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24748258-5006787,00…
Whether it's family-falues senators having gay bathroom sex or earnest creationists complaining about their views being supressed, the surest way to know what a right-winger is up to is to pay attention to what he is accusing his opponents of.
Agree 102%
I wonder if we should formalize this into a law, something like: First Law of Wingnuttia.
Best,
D
He rejected my article criticising these views on the grounds that it had already been published on my blog. That wasn't true - the blog post was a first draft. Everything I publish I initially post on a website somewhere for feedback.
I'm sure that if you hadn't posted the draft, he would have found another reason to reject it.