A federal appellate court has ruled against a Christian school in Murrieta which had sued the University of California over its refusal to accept high school courses that rely on the Bible as the unerring source of truth.

Details here.

Next step: Homeschoolers!

(Hat tip: August Berkshire)


  1. #1 NewEnglandBob
    February 7, 2010

    Next step: Homeschoolers!

    AND bible colleges:

    – Liberty University
    – Bob Jones University
    – Oral Roberts University

    and all the rest of these non-leaning cesspools:


  2. #2 Rorschach
    February 8, 2010

    a Christian school in Murrieta which had sued the University of California over its refusal to accept high school courses that rely on the Bible as the unerring source of truth.

    The mind boggles.

  3. #3 Jay
    February 8, 2010

    If you’ve never had the opportunity to read some of the A Beka materials in question, you’re really missing out.


  4. #4 Larian LeQuella
    February 8, 2010

    Agree New England Bob. I wish employers and the like would also look at people’s resumes closer, and pretty much discard anyone who went to those institutions for lower learning. Being wilfully ignorant should have massive consequences!

  5. #5 Paula
    February 8, 2010

    In what alternative fundy universe did the lawsuit begin to make sense to start with? If the school taught non-standard & mythology based ‘coursework’, why shouldn’t a public University reject them for being uninformed/misinformed/unqualified rubes?
    The level of dumb-ass keeps rising…run for higher ground!

  6. #6 Bickle
    February 8, 2010

    I’d love to take them to court and shut down their ability to teach that, making them prove the Bible unerring

    I figure that trial will be over in about 3 minutes.

  7. #7 Greg Laden
    February 8, 2010

    Well, this is the trial that happened in the Planet of the Apes. And we all know how that went….

  8. #8 Christian
    February 8, 2010

    As my user name implies, I am a follower of Jesus and his teaching. Larian posted “Being wilfully ignorant should have massive consequences!” I would emphasize – Being wilfully ignorant DOES have massive consequences. I would ask you one question. Where do you think your basic instinct of right and wrong comes from? I’m not saying this maliciously. Pray to God and ask him to open your heart to allow for some “faith”. If I’m wrong, you have nothing to lose. If you’re wrong, you have everything to gain. God Bless.

  9. #9 Interrobang
    February 8, 2010

    Where do you think your basic instinct of right and wrong comes from?

    Social creatures evolved altruism (that is, how to distinguish between socially harmful and beneficial actions) because social cooperation and group living helped us survive. Primates and other animals also display altruism. Anti-social organisms who are not capable of complete independence tend to be at a survival and reproductive disadvantage.

    Also, before you whip out Pascal’s Wager again, demonstrate conclusively using evidence (which means not the Bible) that the Christian god is absolutely the correct god. Millions of Hindus, Buddhists, pagans, and Zoroastrians would beg to differ. Really, we’re not so different, Mr. Christian, you and I — I just believe in one fewer god than you do.

  10. #10 Who Cares
    February 8, 2010

    Your question. If you had bothered to read the bible, just genesis and exodus are enough, you would have known that your god does not understand human psychology and thinking. Which makes it kind of hard to stuff altruism into the mix if you don’t know where to put it.

    What good and bad are crudely defined as good being things that you do which don’t hurt others while bad things you do hurt others.

    No need for a god there. I got a much more thorough version of that by following logic (a side effect of reasoning out altruism and why I consider that a better path then pure greed).

  11. #11 dean
    February 8, 2010

    I agree with christian’s unspoken point. I don’t believe the folks in and arguing for the school are willfully ignorant: willfully dishonest would be more like it. They knew perfectly well the kids had been short-changed in their education. I don’t know what they expected to accomplish with the lawsuit.

  12. #12 Ewan R
    February 9, 2010


    Equally one could flip things and ask where your basic instinct of right and wrong come from. Specifically how do you pick and choose which passages from your extensive listing of moral instructions to follow, and which to ignore – it seems pretty obvious from a cursory reading of leviticus or deutronomy (without even getting into the teachings of Jesus about rejecting family and casting non-believers aside as twigs to be burnt) that morality categorically is not sourced from a text held as being scripted by the being you presume to be the ultimate source of morality (which begs the question why is so much of this being’s morality so utterly morally repugnant these days if it is, as I would expect a believer to believe, inerrant) but that there is some other filter through which biblical teaching has to pass before anything which would vaguely pass as moral in the modern world is recognizable. (hint – the question has already been answered in the above comments)

  13. #13 Gyeong Hwa Pak
    February 9, 2010


    Pascal’s wager isn’t going to work because most of the people here are familiar with fallacies. You said that willful ignorance is wrong and yet you’ve come here ignorant of any science or about the commentators upbringings and declare that they open their heart to God with no evidence. Exactly, what do you expect to accomplish from that?