Remember how I promised that I’d do my next installment of my blogging Suzanne Somers’ pile of idiocy, namely her own book, before the end of the week?

Plans change, and neurons melt, which they did in response to reading the first several chapters of Suzanne Somers’ book.

Don’t worry, though. I’ll definitely try to get back on track with my–shall we say?–extended multipart review by Monday. Sometimes, though, when you’re blogging, news drives what you do, and news is driving my decision to forego the pleasure and pain of the next installment of my “fun with Suzanne Somers” series, at least for a couple of days. What, you may ask, was so important that I delayed this most important project, a project that strikes home more than most, given that I treat breast cancer for a living?

It’s the Desiree Jennings story again.

You remember Desiree Jennings? She’s the young woman who received a seasonal flu vaccine in August and later developed what is being represented as dystonia but is almost certainly not. The other day, her VAERS database report was found, which casts even more doubt on her story, given that the neurologist who examined her when she presented concluded that there was a strong psychogenic component to whatever it was that was wrong with her. What has been brought to my attention is that, after promoting Jennings as evidence that the flu vaccine is harmful, deleting its page asking for donations for her, and then deciding to support her again, it looks as though Generation Rescue is going full mental jacket in supporting her again. Indeed, it looks as though GR has hooked Jennings up with a character I’ve discussed numerous times on this blog. More on that later. In the meantime, check out her website, where she tells her story and touting her “cure“:

Had I known the full risks of my own flu shot back in August … had I been properly educated … I may have never suffered the painful consequences. Even more importantly, after I got injured, I felt I was written off by most of the medical community simply because they couldn’t figure out what was truly wrong.

Now, I want to make sure you get the education you need in the coming weeks and months. I will be speaking more candidly about my treatment with the help of my Doctor who is assisting in my recovery.

Uh-oh. Who is this doctor? Take a guess. No, it’s not a competent doctor. Indeed, it’s a doctor who has gotten in a lot of trouble with his medical board. He’s known for urine injection therapy, among other things, and has charged tens of thousands of dollars to apply his quackery to cancer patients. Do you know of whom I speak yet? Longtime readers, I bet, can guess.

Yes, I’m talking about “Dr.” Rashid Buttar, Woo-meister Supreme, who once referred to the North Carolina Medical Board as “rabid dogs” for daring to have the temerity to tell him that he should practice according to the standard of care. This is what Desiree has to say about her supposedly being on the road to recovery:

After having her life turned upside down by a routine influenza shot, and discharged by three major hospitals after four visits – despite worsening symptoms – Desiree Jennings is finally making great strides in her recovery. The vibrant, 25-year-old Washington Redskins Cheerleader Ambassador has a website to tell her story and keep well-wishers from around the world informed of her progress as well as to promote “true informed consent.”

Jennings was training for a half marathon in August 2009 when she received her seasonal flu shot, something she had done several years before. This time, however, her reaction was severe and debilitating. Over the course of several weeks she lost the ability to walk or talk normally, and began to suffer violent seizures and recurrent blackouts.

Jennings was misdiagnosed multiple times with a variety of diagnoses since receiving the influenza shot, which she thought would protect her from illness. She has since been diagnosed by her treating physician, Dr. Rashid A. Buttar, with a number of conditions including but not limited to Acute, Viral Post Immunization Encephalopathy and Mercury Toxicity with secondary respiratory and neurological deficits.

Of course he did. That’s what he diagnoses everyone with, pretty much, other than his cancer patients.

And, making the rounds on various quack discussion forums is this breathless e-mail:

I am sending this message out regarding breaking news regarding the Redskin Cheerleader Desiree Jennings. It has not aired yet, but much IS YET TO COME on CNN, Fox News, London Times, 20/20 and major press releases EVERYWHERE!

Desiree is the Redskin Cheerleader who 10 days after receiving the flu shot became neurologically impaired with a diagnosis of Dystonia. John Hopkins as well as another hospital had confirmed this was indeed induced by the flu vaccine she recently received. I have put some you tubes in chronological order of her events, so if you have been following her story, just skip the 1st two you tubes.

Desiree was spotted by Generation Rescue and led to Dr. Rashid Buttar for treatments. When Desiree arrived last Monday to Dr. Buttar™’s clinic, she was having seizures every 45-60 seconds, every 15-30 seconds her breathing stopped, and she had to be carried into the clinic due to rapid progression of her declining health. Desiree was unable to talk and her whole system was shutting down. 36 hours after removing the toxicity from her body, her symptoms are REVERSED!

This story is AMAZING and there is going to be major press release as camera crews where present documenting it all. Tears were shed amongst Desiree and her husband as she bounced back, and amongst the staff in the clinic as they witnessed her health returning back, from chelation. It was a glorious event witnessed by all!

Thanks to Generation Rescue for the rescue of the century and guiding Desiree to Dr. Buttar!

Detox. It had to be detox. Because, you know, the horrific “toxins” in the flu vaccine so damaged Jennings’ central nervous system that she exhibited a set of symptoms that don’t fit with any known disease or condition. Moreover, the story has morphed from Jennings merely being unable to speak and having all these jerky movements to having seizures every minute and having her breathing stop two or three times a minute. Enter Dr. “urine injections R US” Buttar with one of his–what else?–chelation and “detoxification” regimens, and suddenly she’s all well again! Or so says Dr. Rashid Buttar in an interview on a “health freedom” radio show by Robert Scott Bell. Or, at least, so says a happy Desiree Jennings:

The treatments with Dr. Buttar at the Center for Advanced Medicine and Clinical Research in Charlotte, NC are working, and the results are nothing short of amazing. Jennings can now walk and talk normally throughout the vast majority of the day and the seizures/convulsions have significantly decreased. Although her full recovery will take an undetermined amount of time, her family is now for the first time, convinced she will make a complete recovery. She is now more than ever, driven by a desire to educate others to be informed of the potential side effects caused by vaccines and prevent others from suffering a similar fate.

Of course she is. She’s been converted. She now has a video in which she tells everyone how well she’s doing:

When I first wrote about this story, I made a prediction. Actually, I made an “either or” prediction. I predicted that either doctors or practitioners recommended by Generation Rescue would use their usual quackery (i.e., “biomedical therapy” for “vaccine injury”) to “treat” Ms. Jennings. There’s no doubt that that’s exactly what happened, and GR went for the big macher of “biomedical” woo-meisters, Dr. Rashid Buttar. It doesn’t get much bigger than that in the biomedical world. I further predicted that, if Jennings’ symptoms resolved spontaneously, which they appear to be doing, both she and GR would credit her fortune to whatever quackery she was being subjected to. My alternative prediction was that, given the increasing evidence coming out that Jennings’ condition was not true dystonia and had, at the very least, a strong psychogenic overlay, the anti-vaccine movement would let her story fade away. Indeed, that was what it appeared to be doing, given that the page on Generation Rescue’s website asking for donations for Jennings had disappeared without a trace (other than the Google cache, of course).

Apparently in response to all the criticism, someone at GR apparently decided that the best defense is a good offense. (And who’s more offensive than j.B. Handley?) That good offense is what we’re seeing now. Jennings’ website is slick and clearly professionally designed. It’s doubtful that she could afford to put together such a website, much less the well-produced video that is being shown. I also predicted that, if and when Jennings’ almost certainly psychogenic dystonia spontaneously resolves, the anti-vaccine movement will declare victory and use that resolution as “evidence” that her dystonia was due to “vaccine injury.” That is exactly what appears to be happening right now. It looks almost as dramatic as a faith healing. As I said before, I do not think that she is faking, and “psychogenic” doesn’t mean that she can control her symptoms. She is indeed suffering, I’m sure.

Unfortunately, suffering or not, psychogenic dystonia or true dystonia, this unfortunate young woman is being used by the anti-vaccine movement, and it sickens me.I hadn’t realized just how cynical the anti-vaccine movement would be. Even in my wildest imaginings, I wouldn’t have predicted that they’d have chosen Dr. Rashid Buttar as the woo-meister who would “cure” Jennings. After all, he’s the same guy who has promoted, among other quackery, urine injections. He’s the same guy who has charged cancer patients obscene amounts of money for his quackery and made unbelievable promises. Now that‘s chutzpah!

In retrospect, I now realize that I underestimated the sheer cynicism of Generation Rescue and J.B. Handley, the sheer will to exploit an unfortunate woman whose disorder, whatever it is (physiologic or psychogenic), almost certainly has nothing to do with the flu vaccine and, even if it did, would be such a rare reaction as not to be a signficant concern compared to the risk of not being vaccinated. They’re going to milk this for all it’s worth, complete with a “recovery story” testimonial that will appear superficially convincing. Indeed, Jennings’ website is already garnering sponsors like OxyHealth, which makes portable hyperbaric oxygen chambers, and RevitaPop, some sort of supplement in the form of a lollipop that apparently believers in woo feed their autistic kids. Unfortunately, a whois search failed to find who owns the domain name, but I’d bet money that Generation Rescue or someone from Generation Rescue bought the domain name and set up this website for her. It and the ever-despicable Rashid Buttar are exploiting this poor woman for their own ends. Probably, Jennings doesn’t know what she’s bought into, and I doubt she knows just how badly this could end.

You know, also in retrospect, I think that maybe I should have stuck with my original plan to deconstruct Suzanne Somers’ book some more. It would have irritated me less.

ADDENDUM: Steve Novella has also commented. As a neurologist, he made perhaps the most cogent observation about the whole Buttar affair:

But, unknowingly, Dr. Buttar was about to administer what can be considered a significant test of the hypothesis that Jennings’ symptoms are psychogenic. One test we can use to help confirm this diagnosis is to see if the patient’s symptoms can respond to psychological treatments or to medical treatments that should not otherwise be capable of reversing the symptoms. A response that is too quick to be plausible, for example, is one type of response that supports a psychogenic diagnosis. One dramatic example from my own experience was a patient with apparently psychogenic symptoms who believed that he needed a specific IV medication as a treatment. After extensive negative workup, we agreed to give him the treatment, and his symptoms completely resolved even before the medicine had a chance to work its way through the IV tubing and into his arm.

If Jennings really had dystonia or any biological brain injury from toxicity, removing the toxin might prevent further progression and allow the slow process of recovery to begin. But brain damage does not immediately reverse itself once the cause is removed. It is possible for dystonia to be a side effect of certain medications, and it can immediately resolve once that medication is stopped or reversed. But in that situation we are dealing with an effect of an active blood level of a pharmaceutical agent – something which is inherently reversible. We are not dealing with damage or injury.

[…]

However, now Jennings herself, and Dr. Buttar, report that Jennings began to improve while still sitting in the chair and receiving her chelation therapy, and within 36 hours her symptoms were completely gone. First, let me say that I am very happy Ms. Jennings’ symptoms have resolved. Hopefully now she can just go on with her life. But to me, this impossibly rapid recovery is a dramatic confirmation that her symptoms were psychogenic to begin with. It is simply implausible that brain injury from mercury toxicity could be reversed so quickly – especially when you consider that Dr. Buttar had Jennings at death’s door.

Indeed. The story being spread by Dr. Buttar about her dramatic improvement is excellent evidence that Desiree Jennings’ dystonia was almost certainly psychogenic all along. Her recovery was too miraculously fast to be plausible especially if she appeared as sick as is being reported, even if the snake oil Dr. Buttar administered had a real physiological effect on her nervous system.

Like Steve, I’m glad that Desiree Jennings is apparently recovering, whatever the reason. Hopefully she can get back to her normal life. But I roundly condemn Generation Rescue and Dr. Buttar for their cynical exploitation of this vulnerable young woman. Given J. B. Handley’s history, I have to wonder if they would have gone so far to promote this story if Ms. Jennings had been a 25-year-old average-looking man, rather than a beautiful 25-year-old woman who was also an NFL cheerleader.

Comments

  1. #1 jenni
    December 12, 2009

    She was diagnosed at Johns Hopkins. Are you saying JH is full of quacks?

  2. #2 Dedj
    December 12, 2009

    Sorry Jenni, thats been covered already.

    She claims she was diagnosed at JH.

    That does not mean she was diagnosed, diagnosed at JH, or diagnosed with what she thinks she was. Her probable VAERS report lends credence to the idea that she has psychogenic dystonia.

    Contrary to the assertions of people who are mostly unqualified and/or inexperienced in dealing with movement disorders or movement impairments this is a legitimate diagnosis.

    I think all of us here have had clients who have had their diagnosis explained to them, yet still persist in thinking they were diagnosed with something else, even after being corrected.

    I think all of us here have had clients believing themselves diagnosed, when they only had testing done, which didn’t indicate the

    Brian was asked several times to provide evidence that she was diagnosed at JH. He failed several times over and very very badly each time. Given how deeply he has involved himself in persuing all information about this case, it’s highly unlikely that a relative novice will succeed where he abysmally failed.

    You are, however, welcome to try.

    No one here is impunging JH, as there’s scant evidence that they’ve ever been involved with her care at any point, much less that they provided her with a formal diagnosis of neurogenic/iatrogenic dystonia, even less that it was ever linked to a vaccine.

  3. #3 notbuyenit
    December 13, 2009

    @jenni: Again, read the article on Selectsmart (A Cheerleader’s Unbelievable Flu Vaccine Reaction”). Desiree Jennings herself never even said that doctors at Johns Hopkins diagnosed her with dystonia, or anything from a flu shot. That was the media’s doing, and she let them. She said it was a physical therapist there who told her she had dystonia, and they aren’t doctors. She was probably already seeing anti-vaccine doctors before her friend Annie Yu at Fox News broadcast her story. I’d suggest you ask Desiree herself but whenever she talks about her experience, she says: domadorfbambledorf (no kidding! Watch the Fox interview.)

  4. #4 Deborah
    December 14, 2009

    This is supposed to be a science blog? Not impressed with Orac.

    “has nothing to do with the flu vaccine and, even if it did, would be such a rare reaction as not to be a signficant concern compared to the risk of not being vaccinated.”

    What is the risk for a healthy, 25 year old cheerleader? She might get the flu, have her immune system do what it was designed to do and then heal and be immune to that strain in the future? What a risk! Oh, you mean the risk to the herd. I didn’t realize the Constitution stated we had to allow toxins and viruses to be injected into our bodies to protect our neighbors. I thought we had the right to bear arms – to protect ourselves from our neighbors. Sometimes prevention is protection. Living in a First World country I will never allow my child to be injected with a vaccine. The risks outweigh the benefits. Perhaps if I move to a Third World Country I will reconsider.

  5. #5 Scott
    December 14, 2009

    Deborah,

    In case you hadn’t noticed, the flu KILLS. Even in young, otherwise healthy individuals.

    Living in a First World country I will never allow my child to be injected with a vaccine.

    Then you’re exposing your child to a completely unjustifiable risk of death or disability, and practically guaranteeing his unnecessary suffering. Way to go.

  6. #6 notbuyenit
    December 14, 2009

    @Deborah: Desiree Jennings told the hospital she got the flu after the shot: Sore throat, fever, body aches, etc. It takes 2 weeks or so for the vaccine to work, so she must have picked up the bug before the shot (and also, flu vaccines aren’t 100% effective for everyone; they can lessen the risk or the degree of getting the infection.) If anything should be blamed for her “dystonia” it should be the flu, not the vaccine.

    People like me who believe the vaccines help our own kids and our community will help to protect those like you who are too afraid to get their kids vaccinated, but unfortunately, you put your own kids as well as all of us at greater risk. Selfish, no? No one likes to get their kids vaccinated; yes there are risks; the benefits far outweigh the risks, do the math.

  7. #7 jason
    January 4, 2010

    Anyone who calls some one else a troll has no respect for anyones else’s opinions, therefore effectively becoming a hypocrite. listen to what people have to say before you assume. you make an ass out of me for even acknowledging it, and bigger asses out of yourselves. Why don’t you ask if someone actually believes what they are saying before you “call troll.” (reference first sentence, as to why)You might actually learn something instead of just enjoying listing to yourself type.

  8. #8 Chris
    January 4, 2010

    jason, which post are you referring to, who are you calling “you” (lots of us used the word “troll”)? Did you post on this posting under a different name? Why are you deciding to protest the use of language several weeks later?

    Might I suggest if you are going to read and post on the internet that you actually grow a backbone. And while you are at it, try to brush up debate techniques.

  9. #9 Back in Reality
    January 7, 2010

    H1N1 = a giant dud.

    Only 1/12th as deadly as the normal seasonal flu.

    H1N1 = Scam to make money off of shots.

    Deal with it.

  10. #11 Chris
    January 7, 2010

    Except, idiot, it tended to kill children more. Oh, wait… are you one of those who hate kids?

  11. #12 Chester
    January 8, 2010

    A mediocre looking cheerleader with a need for attention concocts “symptoms” that appear and dissapear on cue for the camera and we think this not a hoax? She claims to have been diagnosed by several doctors who will not confirm it, she then shops for a MD that will give her a diagnosis that is sufficiently obscure, she then claims that some doctor known to be a quack is better able to treat her than doctors at Hopkins, then she claims to be magically cured. There are at least two plausible explanations here. One, she has developed a reaction that no one in 200 years of medical history has had, which is then cured by treatments with no plausible link to the symptoms, or she is a fraud. The second explanation is infinitely more believable than the first.

  12. #13 iwinc
    January 12, 2010

    Why is the writer of this article so hate filled?
    The problem is that you wouldnt be able to report accurately either way whether this girls symptoms were genuinly as a result from a flu shot or whether it was a hoax because your blinded by your own biases.
    Instead of the article just sticking to factual reporting its peppered with words like “quack” “woo” and sarcasm,assumptions etc which immediately draw the readers attention to that you have certain biases or overemotion so your judgement is very clouded from providing factual opinions and factual articles.
    Regarding Jennings story-well there is no concrete evidence either way because as far as im aware there is not concrete proof that she has received vaccine induced dystonia but on the other hand there is also no concrete proof that her symptoms are psychogenic.All there is is the opinion of a neurologist but all that is an opinion-not evidence through actual science-based testing.
    There are certain subjective tests that neurologists are taught to use to help as a guide regarding a persons symptoms-however,they are a only a guide and not diagnostic & by no means are fool proof.
    These subjective tests are not meant to be used as evidence of a diagnosis-because they are not evidence-evidence can only come from objective tests without human inteference.
    Human observation and opinion is far from infallible & also at any moment the scientific evidence can change so that the new evidence could hypothetically speaking,in one year show that a person with vaccine induced dystonia could have a swift recovery after treatment.
    So it is to soon to make such sweeping,concrete statements.

    In anycase,regardless of whether this case is produced from vaccine induced dystonia,or is symptoms of psychogenic nature or is a manipulated hoax for attention and fame-whatever the case is,i dont think that anyone should be making character assasinations regarding this girl by calling her a manipulator etc until all the full facts regarding the case have been known and are revealed.
    I noticed that there were a few really horrible comments in the comments listed above stating things like it was obvious this girl was a manipulator etc and the thing that was more disturbing was that the person sad they were a medical doctor.Im sure that some of you have daughters so put yourself in that position & think would you like complete strangers over a computer just mindlessly calling your daughters all sorts of names & think of the hurt they might feel if they read them.
    That sort of thing is really uncalled for and i ask for everyone to please reframe from making such judgements & statements like this regarding the Jennings girl,at least until all the facts have came out.
    Im sure some people are parents here,people are meant to protect children not give them harm which is what writing such things about a girl that age would do.
    Even if hypothetically,the girl did create a hoax & did manipulate,i dont think people should just blindly state this & make character assassins & a witchhunt without facts first that reveal clearly that this was the case.

  13. #14 Antaeus Feldspar
    January 12, 2010

    iwinc —

    If it were a law of logic that “every possibility that has not been 100% ruled out is equally as probable as any other” then your argument might hold together.

    However, there is no such law.

    When evaluating the relative probability of various claims, we must make considerations such as: how “extraordinary” is the claim? has extraordinary evidence been supplied to support an extraordinary claim?

    Manipulative people who fake illnesses are known to exist. The hypothesis that Desiree Jennings’s “illness” is actually calculated malingering is therefore not an extraordinary one.

    Suggestible people who end up manifesting illnesses that persist without any physical cause are known to exist. The hypothesis that Desiree Jennings’ “illness” is actually psychogenic is therefore not an extraordinary one.

    Given the vast difference between her symptoms and the symptoms of actual dystonia, however, the hypothesis that Jennings’ “illness” is the dystonia she claims she was diagnosed with is extraordinary. Given that there has never been any verified case, ever, in the whole of recorded medical history, of dystonia induced by a vaccination, the hypothesis that Jennings’ “illness” is dystonia induced by a vaccination, as she claims, is extraordinary. Given especially that Desiree Jennings is now claiming to have the first case of dystonia in the whole of medical history to be cured, and cured not just by any physician but by one whose understanding of “medicine” is such that he promotes so-called gemstone energy medicine, the claim that Jennings’ “illness” is dystonia is extraordinary.

    What extraordinary evidence has been presented to support these extraordinary claims? None that does not support the non-extraordinary claims equally or more.

    If an individual in second-hand clothes came up to you in the supermarket and claimed that he was the Sultan of Brunei travelling incognito, there would be many possible hypotheses to explain why he would say such a thing. One of them, obviously, would be that he actually is the Sultan of Brunei travelling incognito. Other hypotheses would of course be that the individual is playing some sort of trick, or is delusional. What would you think if we advised you that, until you proved that the stranger was not the Sultan of Brunei through “objective tests” you had to refrain from any public mention of any other possibility? I think you’d recognize that as absurd.

    And to address your secondary point — it may be commendable, somewhat, that you have such a protective attitude. Perhaps Desiree Jennings reminds you of your daughter, and that is why you advise us all to curb our discussions with thoughts of what hurt feelings we might induce in “a girl that age.” But you are not only speaking of a young woman in her twenties, well past her minority, you are talking about a young woman who has come forward with her account of her purported health condition. To say that Desiree Jennings is allowed to claim anything she wants to about her health — including accusations that those who gave her the flu shot actually inflicted a crippling disease on her — but that we in return may only say those things that run no risk of hurting her feelings, is wholly ludicrous.

  14. #15 Anonymous
    January 17, 2010

    House MD writes this crap dozens of times per year, however Desiree’s story almost sounds derivative of fiction rather than the other way around.

  15. #16 brainzez
    January 18, 2010

    Fantastic responses: reading the fear and anger hiding between the lines of these comments is a real eye-opener…it never ceases to amaze me how hopeless people are.

    I have to hand it to you iwinc…you get the award (IMHO) for the most intelligent response. Thanks you. Here is a list of ingredients in the H1N1 flu shot. I wouldn’t inject these ingredients in myself or my children. What is really frightening is that the medical doctors that you trust would.

    Most illnesses can be cured with a good detox. Even cancer. But don’t expect the medical industry to let you in on that little secret – it would destroy their business.

    Novartis Focetria Adjuvanted H1N1

    Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

    Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

    Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin

    Squalene: Neurotoxin

    Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

  16. #17 Chris
    January 18, 2010

    Squalene is not in the American version of the vaccine (interesting how you use the American spelling of thimersal), and how is something that is made in your liver and required for life considered a “neurotoxin”?

    Also potassium chloride is also needed in your body for it to function. You can even buy it in the grocery store as a table salt substitute. That is akin to telling us that the calcium and iron are also neurotoxins.

    Not having either squalene or potassium chloride would leave to actual death.

    No vaccine has any level of thimerosal that is toxic, plus there are influenza vaccines available without thimerosal.

    I would recommend that in the future you do not get medical information from websites like Mercola, whale.to and NaturalNews.

  17. #18 Chris
    January 18, 2010

    Remember the poison is in the dose. Even water is a neurotoxin if you get too much. Remember the poor woman who died during a stupid “Wee for a Wii” contest in California?

    Too little and you die. Too much and you die. In between, not so much.

  18. #19 Julie
    January 26, 2010

    I was researching Porphyria after a CSI Las Vegas re-run and came across Guillain–Barré Syndrome. It is an autoimmune disorder affecting the peripheral nervous system, usually triggered by an acute infectious process. I immediately thought of Desiree Jennings. Then I read further that in the 1970’s this syndrome was directly contributed to the Swine Flu Vaccine(Just as I suspected). The Kicker….in some cases patients can fully recover. I have to agree, Jennings was misdiagnosed and maybe she is fully recovering!! I love Wikipedia!!!!!

  19. #20 Tony
    January 28, 2010

    On an unrelated note, I am just upset that my “real” doctor never followed up with me on my latest MRI. With professional doctors like that who needs a Medical Board. And lots of people find more healing through non-certified healing over “hippocratic” healing.

    Psychogenic seems to me the same thing as “mind over matter” and I’d say a weak ability to do have mind over matter is like having a weak bladder. There are advertised RX pills for weak bladders. So why is it that medical professionals are so irate about this woman’s weaknesses…whether psysiological or physical? Lots of doctors throw medicine at problems to relieve symptoms instead of targeting the root causes.

    For every evidence of medical improbability that this woman does or did not suffer from a real side-effect of a flu shot, there is a common sense everyday person who knows that cancers, depression and other diseases can be cured through prescribing hope just as much as a synthesized animal bi-product, a root, a seed, a plant, a spell, a touch of grace by god, or an educated 100,000 dollar statistical judgment call of a University of Maryland M.D professor.

    I myself have never elected to have a flu shot, haven’t had the flu in years (to significance that i would know better symptomatically) and think especially considering the media frenzy surrounding flu as well as other epidemiology, that the medical profession is much like the legal profession: the person of average knowledge is at their mercy to make the best choices for them, to guide them with prudence, and to help them find the best recovery path available given current technology and precedence.

    That many professionals, whether it be medical or otherwise, are generally lazy, greedy and influenced by mass marketing and incentives to make their judgment calls on behalf of others, is not only dismal, it is objectionable.

  20. #21 Heather
    February 5, 2010

    How dare some of you call this a hoax, people die all of the time from illnesses that no one can explain. I had an illness no one could explain, then they found out it was SLE. Something as a child they did not test me for because I was white and too young they thought. I now suffer I mean truly suffer from this illness which we struggle to get under control. This girl was suffering, you can’t make things like that up. Someone who knew her would have spoke up and said something if they didn’t think she was on the up and up. it is sad that the medical world will try to use her as a poster child but it is her choice. There are too many doctors who think they are God and choose not to think that there could be something unfound by anyone and that maybe just maybe they don’t know it all. Too many times if it can’t be slapped with a name, it doesn’t exist. The human body, the human brain is so complicated, how could you ever say some issue couldn’t exist? People actually can combust, do you think that’s a hoax? I had a friend who she and her mom were hit by a train my friend died her mom ended up with seizures and an English accent. It happened we saw it.

  21. #22 Johnny
    February 5, 2010

    People actually can combust

    I will pay 20 US dollars to see this.

    Name two.

  22. #23 Heather
    February 5, 2010

    Robert Francis Bailey
    John Irving Bentley
    George I. Mott
    Mary Reeser
    Jeannie Saffin
    Henry Thomas
    Janice McCall
    Mick Shrimpton

    I guess you don’t have the ability to educate yourself so above are some names. (SHC) has been proven scientifically, and yes my uncle is a medical scientist and he’s the one who initally told me about SHC.

  23. #24 Johnny
    February 5, 2010

    You copy/paste that list direct from
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion ,
    complete with all the references and links on that page providing simple and rational explanations, continue to choose to believe “(SHC) has been proven scientifically”, and you think I am the one who doesn’t have the ability to educate myself?

    Yeah…..

  24. #25 Broken Link
    February 5, 2010

    Apparently, Inside Edition has done an update on the Desiree Jennings story

    http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=3955

    “But INSIDE EDITION cameras found her walking normally, playing with her dogs, going shopping, even getting behind the wheel of a car and driving!” . . .”Jennings is no longer seeing the controversial Dr. Buttar,”

  25. #26 Sandro
    February 6, 2010

    This makes me think that anyone suffering from a psychogenic condition should receive one or more saline injections, which they would be told is a treatment for their condition.

    If the placebo effect solves the problem, then organizations like Generation Rescue wouldn’t be able to exploit them for their own ludicrous agendas.

    I’m sure some people perceive some ethical concern given the deception here, but I consider it MORE unethical to let these people walk away when a placebo will likely cure their psychogenic ill, and even prevent them from being subsequently exploited by “Alternative Medicine”.

  26. #27 Militant Agnostic
    February 6, 2010

    If they are suffering from a psychogenic condition, telling them an injection of saline will cure their condition isn’t really a deception is it?

  27. #28 Eric
    February 9, 2010

    whore

  28. #29 Unbelievable!
    February 9, 2010

    Wow, Eric.

    Outstanding job of showing just how classy the people who frequent this site are. Phenomenal!

  29. #30 Scientizzle
    February 9, 2010

    A drive-by troll begets a drive-by concern troll who wants to equate the former with the character of RI regulars?

    Eric’s comment is misogynistic and loutish. I’d bet $5 that the IP address of “Unbelievable!” is remarkably similar to Eric’s…

  30. #31 Travis
    February 9, 2010

    So one person writes something insulting and you paint everyone with the same brush?

    It was hardly representative of what others wrote here.

  31. #32 Mark
    February 17, 2010

    Coming to this late, and amazed at how far the discussion has ranged away from the initial post.

    We are told that Dr B diagnosed life threatening brain damage induced by mercury poisoning. He administered chelation therapy to remove the mercury and within hours her symptoms virtually evaporated.

    Now consider an analogy: a doctor receives a patient with a knife in their chest, an obviously life threatening wound. The doctor pulls out the knife and announces that the patient is cured! And indeed, the patient stops bleeding, a collapsed lung reinflates, a severed aorta rejoins, and they walk out in good health to continue their lives.

    Do you see the point? The mercury was the cause of ongoing damage (it is alleged by Dr B) – removing it stops *further* damage, but does nothing to heal the damage that had already (allegedly) been done, any more than taking the knife out of the wound causes the wound to heal up instantly. Brain injuries do not heal in hours, and in many cases are irreparable.

    By contrast, psychogenic conditions are actually expected to show near-instant resolution when the vicitm is suitability convinced that a cure has been applied.

  32. #33 Rosi
    February 18, 2010

    Dr. Buttar has been my physician since being diagnosed with breast cancer in 2003. I, am grateful that he has has failed to conform to the standards of medical care! Anyone that brings in a new paradigm is met with resistance.I would just remind Dr. Buttar — “Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric”, Bertrand Russell,Nobel Laureate.

  33. #34 Travis
    February 18, 2010

    *Yawn*

    “But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.”
    – Carl Sagan

  34. #35 Kari
    February 21, 2010

    My question is: who applied her makeup and mascara when she appeared on TV with her symptoms on dystonia? Who did her hair? Because it seems to me all this lovely grooming on a person who was twitching convulsing every 5 minutes would be near impossible. I am skeptical that she had ANYTHING wrong with her, except for a strong desire to get famous.

  35. #36 johnny
    February 21, 2010

    Who ever thinks this is a hoax is a damn fool..lol
    You are so smart and clever!
    H1N1 swine flu will kill millions!!!!!!!!!! oh my goodness!!!!!!
    Hurry everybody get a vaccine now before you DIE!!!!
    OMG!!!!! 150 million will die if we dont get vaccinated …………….. hurry run dont walk get your vaccine now!!!! LOL
    what happened to all the Vaccines? who will use it? Oh i know lets sell it to 3rd world countries where they have no idea that it will kill them (the vaccine) ………….
    The only HOAX here is the H1N1 scare people wake up/smell the coffee, and complain to your government and tell them to take their head out of their A$$. Its only your money that pays their salary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    MERCURY…..Is it Toxic? ..no i dont think…… lets put it in our mouth, kids and where ever we can stick it……. Only if all the Big Pharma pigs will get a nice 300mg of thimerosal in their veins, I would pay to see that!, if they get brain damage.
    DAMN PIGS! shame on you!!!!! AND all teh idiots that have no commonsense to see that mercury is in the vaccines (STILL) and we are getting screwed!!

  36. #37 johnny
    February 21, 2010

    Who ever thinks this is a hoax is a damn fool..lol
    You are so smart and clever!
    H1N1 swine flu will kill millions!!!!!!!!!! oh my goodness!!!!!!
    Hurry everybody get a vaccine now before you DIE!!!!
    OMG!!!!! 150 million will die if we dont get vaccinated …………….. hurry run dont walk get your vaccine now!!!! LOL
    MERCURY…..Is it Toxic? ..no i dont think…… lets put it in our mouth, kids and where ever we can stick it……. Only if all teh Big Pharma pigs will get a nice 300mg of thimerosal in their veins, if they get brain damage, I will rest my case.
    DAMN PIGS! shame on you!!!!!

  37. #38 Shorter johnny
    February 21, 2010
  38. #39 Antaeus Feldspar
    February 21, 2010

    Johnny, the first part of your (duplicated) message, stripped of the sarcasm and the overuse of exclamation points that makes you look mentally unstable, amounts to:
    1) People were advised to get the H1N1 vaccine to prevent a pandemic that could have had a death toll in the millions.
    2) The death toll of the H1N1 flu was not in the millions.
    3) Therefore there was never any necessity for the H1N1 vaccine.

    Do you see the flaw in the logic there? I feel fairly confident you don’t, so let me present an identical situation that you might be able to comprehend:
    1) You are told to wear your seatbelt to reduce the chances you will die in a car crash.
    2) You get in a car crash while wearing your seatbelt. You do not die.
    3) Therefore, you never needed your seatbelt.

    Does this make sense to you? “I got in a car crash with a seatbelt, so now I know what would have happened if I’d gotten in a car crash without a seatbelt”? No, it doesn’t make sense. The fact that you did crash should tell you that the seatbelt was a wise precaution. The fact that people did die of H1N1, including some who had no previous health issues, would tell any reasonable person that vaccinating against it is a wise precaution.

    As for “3rd world countries where they have no idea that it will kill them (the vaccine)”, perhaps they don’t have an idea that it will kill them because there hasn’t been a single person killed by the vaccine. Again, unlike H1N1 itself.

    As for the final, least coherent part of your message, you are pretty much flailing against phantoms that exist only in your own mind, since no one is saying “let’s put [mercury] in our mouth, kids and where ever [sic] we can stick it.” Nor does it make much of a point to say that you would rest your case if “all teh [sic] Big Pharma pigs” got a dosage of thimerosal far larger than anyone ever got from vaccines and suffered damage from it – even if you got your evil wish and caused those deaths, would it have proved anything about whether the trace amounts of thimerosal found in vaccines are hazardous? Not a thing; it would only have proved that huge overdoses are toxic, which is true of almost everything. You might as well say “I wish that I could pour several gallons of water down people’s throats and make them die of water intoxication; only then would I rest my case about how dangerous a single glass of fluoridated tap water is.” You haven’t proved anything about a single glass of anything. All you’ve proved is that you’re malicious and not a very clear thinker.

  39. #40 Chris
    February 22, 2010

    Ms. Jennings did not get the H1N1 influenza vaccine. Plus, she is doing quite well lately.

  40. #41 MI Dawn
    February 22, 2010

    Johnny must be too young to remember playing with mercury from broken thermometers and Merthiolate (TM). I’m perfectly sure I got mercury (both types) in my mouth more than once, just from the things we used to play with as children. For those too young to remember Merthiolate, it was used on all sorts of open wounds as an antiseptic, and IT CONTAINED THIOMERSAL! My mother slopped it on us for any injury (and we had LOTS of them…we were very active, rather accident-prone kids.) It was popular because, as my mother recalls, it was supposed to sting less than iodine. Personally I seem to recall it stinging a lot, so I can’t imagine how much iodine was supposed to sting. But, strangely, for all our exposure to mercury, my brother and I didn’t become autistic, nor did we develop mercury poisoning, or dystonia, or whatever. And, unlike vaccines, since it was slopped on open, bleeding wounds, it DID enter the blood stream.

  41. #42 The Perky Skeptic
    February 22, 2010

    Oh, yeah, Merthiolate! MI Dawn, I had forgotten all about that!!!

    Man, when I was 6, Merthiolate was like some kind of MIRACLE WONDER SUBSTANCE to me! My mom was a firm believer in isopropyl alcohol, so I had never before encountered an antiseptic that didn’t hurt like hell upon application! But during recess one day, I had climbed up this chain-link fence surrounding my schoolyard, and then when I got to the top, I stuck my hand on one of the twisty wire-bits thinking it would support my meager weight when I pulled myself to the top. OH how wrong I was. Oops. So, the school nurse painted the wound with Merthiolate and it was like liquid LOVE ’cause NO PAIN, omg!!!

    So, I guess that makes me a fan of thimerosal. Also, back in the 1980s, I used to squirt thimerosal into my eyes– it was in saline solution for contact lenses! 🙂

    Also, does poor Johnny above think that none of the commenters here have gotten the H1N1 shot? I got the H1N1 and the seasonal flu shot and hey, no regression! 😀

  42. #43 Calli Arcale
    February 22, 2010

    Inverse relationship between H1N1 vaccine and autism-spectrum disorders…..

    My daughter, who has been receiving services for a couple of years now for her PDD-NOS and ADD, qualified to get an early H1N1 vaccine because her learning disorders counted as a chronic illness. So she didn’t get PDD-NOS from a vaccine — instead, she got a vaccine because of PDD-NOS! 😀

  43. #44 Antaeus Feldspar
    February 23, 2010

    Actually, after thinking about it, I want to modify my analogy at 639. It’s more like saying “My house caught on fire; the firemen sprayed the fire with extinguishers; my house did not burn to the ground. Obviously, those fire extinguishers are no damn good. Because, you know, my house didn’t burn to the ground …”

  44. #45 Johnny
    February 23, 2010

    Please note that there is a lowercase johnny, and there is me. When referring to the idiot, please use a ‘j’. Damn my common name…

    I’ve had both flu shots this year, and I hope to regress to, say 10 years ago, because I remember when JFK was president, and I’m almost, but not yet, old, and my brain is getting full.

    I don’t remember Merthiolate, but I remember mercurochrome…
    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2518/what-happened-to-mercurochrome

    .. and broken thermometers. No doubt the loonies will say that’s why I suffer from CRS.

  45. #46 Enkidu
    February 23, 2010

    I had many a cut treated with a dropper of red mercurochrome when I was little! Memories… :o)

  46. #47 MK
    March 7, 2010

    I wouldn’t even say that her symptoms were psychogenic. I think she knew perfectly well what she was doing the whole time. Look at what she did; she made herself famous the world over in a matter of days. I am sure this is all it was ever about.

  47. #48 diz
    March 15, 2010

    MK – Are you a fan of Fox News? Just curious.

  48. #49 ryan
    March 31, 2010

    So, here is my take. I am in the US military. In the last ten years I have met and worked with thousands. We’ve all received the same vaccines, they are mostly mandatory, they range from yellow fever, to seasonal flu, swine flu, to anthrax to small pox, just to name a few. I have yet to meet an individual that has had a reaction to any of these.
    And, as far at the whole mercury poisoning conspiracy nonsense goes, do some research, figure out what it is they are adding to the vaccines (it’s not straight up mercury, it is a chemical called thimerasol, it’s used to prevent infections from multi-dose vaccines, and it has not been directly tied to any adverse health effects aside from allergic reactions). Those additives are there to prevent contamination/infection, drug companies don’t want to poison people, they want to make money, what sense does it make to produce a product that will result in lawsuits? Think it about it…

  49. #50 Anonymous
    April 19, 2010

    The idea that vaccines contain 25000 times the amount of mercury as is legal is misleading in multiple ways:

    1. The vaccine actually only contains 2x the legal limit.
    2. The legal limit is for methylmercury, which is found in tuna and which is dangerous as it stays in your body for a long time and can accumulate. Thimerosal is ethylmercury, which is quickly flushed out of the body. It’s similar to the difference between ethyl alcohol (what you drink) and methyl alcohol (which causes blindness and death). Really, the amount of thimerosal in vaccines is no more dangerous than drinking a sip of wine.

    Thimerosal is much-maligned but is not dangerous in any way. No reliable studies (Andrew Wakefield is not reliable) have shown that thimerosal is associated with negative health effects. And few people know that thimerosal is a far less dangerous kind of mercury than the regulated kind, which is found in tuna fish. Eating a can of tuna fish or drinking a vodka and tonic are far, far more dangerous than getting a shot with thimerosal.

  50. #51 Brett
    April 29, 2010

    Jesus, TL;DR.

    What a bad article.

  51. #52 theTRUTHwillsetyoufree
    May 12, 2010

    There’s a special place in Hell for all you God-complex-having Doctors who sell your souls and the health and well being of the populace for the big bucks BIG NASTY PHARMA lines your pockets with. Because you just have to pay for those big McMansions and flashy cars, somehow, right? Our creator gave us everything we need to be HEALTHY AND WHOLE, NATURALLY, on this magical earth. All you do is poison people, and then treat their symptoms of poisoning with more poison. SHEEPLE, STOP LISTENING TO THESE ARROGANT SOCIOPATHS. STOP taking their poison pills and toxic injections, and CHANGE YOUR DIET. Don’t smoke, exercise, DON’T eat GMO’s, aspartame, any form of MSG, ANY form of soy, anything deep fried, any refined sugar or flour, ANY soda, anything with ANY chemicals. Research natural health and nutrition, supplements and herbs, superfoods, and greenfoods. Eat what nature provides for us in abundance in as close to it’s natural state as possible! STOP giving your faith and your $$$$$ to all these Dr. Frankensteins and stop supporting the corporatocracy that rules the FDA! They DON’T CARE ABOUT YOU, don’t you get it?? All they are are masters of keeping you sick and profiting from it!! Take responsibility for your own health and unplug yourself from the insipid brainwashing propaganda these wackjobs employ to keep you sick and keep you dependent! SHEEPLE WAKE UP!

    OH, and to all you poison pushing quacks like the one who wrote this article, enjoy your just desserts, they will last for eternity, make no mistake about it.

  52. #53 David N. Brown
    May 12, 2010

    “anything with ANY chemicals”
    But… EVERYTHING IS CHEMICALS!
    “Thanks” for an especially amusing bit of spam!

  53. #54 Todd W.
    May 12, 2010

    Reminds me of the drowning man.

    There was an old man sitting on his porch watching the rain fall. Pretty soon the water was coming over the porch and into the house.

    The old man was still sitting there when a rescue boat came and the people on board said, “You can’t stay here you have to come with us.”

    The old man replied, “No, God will save me.” So the boat left. A little while later the water was up to the second floor, and another rescue boat came, and again told the old man he had to come with them.

    The old man again replied, “God will save me.” So the boat left him again.

    An hour later the water was up to the roof and a third rescue boat approached the old man, and tried to get him to come with them.

    Again the old man refused to leave stating that, “God will save him.” So the boat left him again.

    Soon after, the man drowns and goes to heaven, and when he sees God he asks him, “Why didn’t you save me?”

    God replied, “You dummy! I tried. I sent three boats after you!!”

  54. #55 Gregg Mckenzie
    May 28, 2010

    Orac, your prejudice is showing!

    Keep and open mind, consider thing lovingly and be less motivated by you obvious ‘isms’ – then maybe your wife will come back!

  55. #56 Joe
    June 16, 2010

    this sounds more like a bunch of teenagers arguing, then scientists debating.

  56. #57 Un-Dumb
    June 28, 2010

    Standard of Care is a democratic voting of the doctors, in which the majority bullies the rest into an acceptable treatment of a disease, and prohibits treatments that are not the norm. This is such a crock. No innovations in treatment can occur except as funded by big pharma, else the doc is out of the standard of care.

    For any ilness, there are many cost effective treatments with minimal side effects that are better than this standard of care, yet our docs cannot use them. Medical decisions should be based on logic and science, not peer group pressure and profit.

    I would have used chelation, sauna therapy, hydrotherapy, vegan diet, mineral supplementation, colonic therapy and plasmapherisis on Desiree to get rid of the toxins. She may act a little odd, but there was no guarantee for a complete recovery, nor that all damage would be reversed. It is very likely that a lot of the mercury she absorbed is still in her body, and that her sensitivey to mercury is much higher now.

  57. #58 Chris
    June 28, 2010

    I believe it is safe to say that the “Un-” in your ‘nym is completely unnecessary.

  58. #59 cj
    July 23, 2010

    I’m late to these comments but just saw this woman’s story on 20/20. I grew up in the military and traveled overseas a lot as a child. So I had basically any type of vaccine you can think of. In fact they would come to our school and give us cholera shots which I dreaded. I also often had polka dot legs because of my mother’s firm belief in mercurachrome. I’ve been a nurse for 30 years and have seen dystonia. This woman does not have it. The amount of mercury she would have been exposed to in a flu shot is probably less than she would have been exposed to if she had eaten salmon or tuna. I believe she is faking and is in with Dr. Buttar to promote his clinic here in North Carolina where I live. Dystonia generally starts in childhood and can be caused by medications such as neuroleptics. One of the main symptoms of this is patients frequently squeeze their eyes shut, involuntarily, and are blinded because they cannot open their eyes. If you notice her make up is on perfectly and her hair is perfectly groomed. A true patient with dystonia could not do this themselves. There is no twisting of her mouth or face and the accent is totally fake. I think she’s a good actress who is looking for money. I’m sure doctors did test her for this and there are tests that can confirm dystonia.

  59. #60 Marilee G
    July 23, 2010

    When I saw the first part of this on 20/20 I thought, that’s what happened to me when I had a minor stroke 6 years ago! Then I saw more of the story and have read what people like the nurses and others have said. I don’t believe she had dystonia from a flu-shot. I have used osteopathic doctors before and they have been good at what they do so this isn’t against the osteopaths. My dystonia was short lived. It was caused by Cymbalta and a chemical reaction I had to it which also caused the very minor stroke I had. As I (luckily) recovered from the minor stroke the dystonia got better but that is because the problems this medication caused me came on within 2 weeks of me beginning the medication and immediately it was stopped. I was lucky. I feel bad for people like Desiree who have such a need to try and gain sympathy from things like diseases.
    I think the first thing we have to ask ourselves is WHO put her on YouTube in the first place? And if she really doesn’t want the fame then why are there so many ongoing videos? I guarantee you I sure didn’t want anyone seeing me when I couldnt speak right, walk right or see right, all out of my left side.
    Her story is a sad, sad, SAD hoax!

  60. #61 (:~Emma~(:
    July 23, 2010

    I hope you get better and i kno that its not fake..so all you ppl out there sayin its fake its not you wouldnt kno cuz your not going through the sad shit she is and i kno that im not either but its not like you can just go and say that she just wants publicity or something all she wants is get better..so just get better and dont listen to what all the stupid ppl are sayin bout you ok just think on the bright side(:And i hope your doctors are treating you with all the care,respect and help you need ok!!!(:
    Get well soon!!

  61. #62 Chris
    July 24, 2010

    Emma, I suggest you read the two previous comments more carefully. They were both from people who really have/had dystonia.

  62. #63 Harpreet
    July 24, 2010

    I watched tonight’s segment on 20/20. I happen to be a physician, granted I’m an internist and not a neurologist, but I completely agree that this is largely psychosomatic.
    I think its horrible that she is going through this but people need to look at the medical facts and stop being so defensive about the suggestion that this actually is NOT some medical miracle that she’s getting better, rather its clearly supporting the likely psychosomatic diagnosis.

  63. #64 teevee
    July 24, 2010

    Here is the deal. If you are cured using standard medical procedures you have a disease and the medical profession cured you. (They have no cures, not a word used in the medical profession)

    If you have a disease and I don’t know what it is, then it’s all in your head. If you are cured by any other means than the “proven scientific” medical procedures it was all a placebo and proof it was all in your head. If you die then they murdered you.

    If you take the standard medical procedures and you die…well s*** happens…any questions?…

  64. #65 Seb30
    July 24, 2010

    Here is the deal. If you are cured using standard medical procedures you have a disease and the medical profession cured you.

    Well, it’s the meaning of a standard procedure. Doctors have been trained to match a clear set of symptoms to treatments which have been shown in large controlled trials to improve these symptoms.
    Of course, this is not to say that never a doctor took a blind guess or committed a mistake. Actually, medical mistakes happen on a daily basis. That’s one of the reason we have medical boards, refreshing courses and other regulation bodies, to track mistakes and minimize their happening. Well, or this is that should be in a perfect world. Any idea of how to improve the system?

    (They have no cures, not a word used in the medical profession)

    “Cure” sounds a bit too magical (as in Cure Light Wounds), I could understand why doctors don’t want to use it, if indeed they don’t. And this bit of alleged semantics is relevant in which way?

    If you have a disease and I don’t know what it is, then it’s all in your head.

    Not exactly, it could indeed be a new disease, or an old/rare disease knocking on your door. There are ways to know if something is in your head. By example, the non-consistent display of symptoms, and their sudden disappearance when you believe that no-one is watching you. The disappearance of symptoms in the first minutes after the start of a IV infusion, before the medication even had a chance to act, is also a pretty good sign.

    If you are cured by any other means than the “proven scientific” medical procedures it was all a placebo and proof it was all in your head.

    Well, you have the procedures which have been proven to work better than placebo, and you have the others. So yes, claiming that you have been cured by a procedure which have never been tested correctly is not going to generate much trust in your story.

    If you die then they murdered you.

    Let’s see. Someone injects you a substance which has never been properly tested for human treatment, let alone simple consumption, or worse, a molecule which is known for toxic effects and whose injection has no benefit to the patient, and you, the patient, die. Yep, that’s murder. Or at least reckless behavior resulting in someone killed. You take the risk, you take the consequences.

    If you take the standard medical procedures and you die…well s*** happens…

    Unless you can prove that your doctor, oh I don’t know, injected you some unproven substance and lied to you about the risks. That’s murder.
    Of course, there is the whole risk/benefit ratio topic and being correctly informed about this ratio before undergoing any medical procedure. Again, for the established medical field, we have regulation bodies, a tracking of known issues with ensuing corrections, and legal liability to keep peoples motivated. Agreed, the watchers are understaffed, underfunded, and subject to human failability. Again, in a perfect world…
    Since we are on a Tu quoque basis, what are the efforts done by alt-med healers to address the issues of mistakes, side-effects and correct assessment of risk/benefit ratios of their own products?

    any questions?…

    Yes. Are you working for Big Placebo?
    (come on, your post was missing a clear shill gambit)

  65. #66 UDTSealCap
    August 12, 2010

    Its already been proven that Desiree faked the whole thing. All you gotta do is find the many “follow ups” where she drives to and walks in the mall without so much as a limp. When confronted she instantly develops an Australian accent and starts walking sideways.
    My question is did she rely on any government support while “incapacitated”?

  66. #67 Dr John T Kinnard
    August 16, 2010

    I recently treated a 10 yar oul boy, with very similar symptoms,paralysis from the waist down, which began after a swine flu shot last Nov

    The young man has recovered, but it had nothing to do with medical intervention or Medical evaluation to come up with a medical diagnosis.
    I can send a vidieo if you have an intrest about this frightining issue

    Thank You Dr John T Kinnard

  67. #68 Calli Arcale
    August 16, 2010

    So . . . you treated the boy, but he had no medical intervention? Were you treating something unrelated to the paralysis, then? The statements appear contradictory.

    No medical evaluation — you mean you treated someone whom you did not evaluate? How did you know how to treat him? (Oh, that’s right, you said he received no intervention. I guess if you don’t intend to intervene, there’s no reason to evaluate.)

    No medical diagnosis — so you don’t know why he was paralyzed, nor why he apparently spontaneously recovered. OK, fair enough. But what does this have to do with the flu shot? If you don’t have evidence that he was paralyzed, nor the nature of the paralysis, nor the origin of it, what does it have to do with anything?

    Do you commonly invite patients into your office, nod encouragingly, offer them no wisdom, and then bill them? Or are you simply incapable of writing coherently? Because as it is, it sounds like you’re saying you treated him but didn’t treat him, and he was paralyzed after getting a flu shot, except you didn’t try to find that out.

  68. #69 Travis
    August 16, 2010

    I notice that Kinnard seems to be a fan of Ms. Jennings.
    I did a google search for the name “Dr John T Kinnard” and found this comment on Desiree Jennings page:

    I balanced, adjusted a patient. A 10 year old boy who had a swine flue shot last Nov (09) He began to lose his motor skills and was confined to a wheel chair within a few days, like Desiree, he could function some backwards, but continued to deterate, untill he was paralized from the waist down.
    I use a proceedure call…ed Bio Enrrgetis Synchronization Technique, my patient stood up the next day on his own and began to reestablish his walking motor skill,
    He is 100% back to normal now.
    I have a vido of the TV interview if you would like to see it.

    John T Kinnard DC

    (I left the address and e-mail address out)

    So it appears Mr. Kinnard is a chiropractor. I am hardly surprised by that. It also appears that he did “treat” the boy despite the confusing message left here. Though it does display similar characteristics to his message above, being poorly written and containing a number of major spelling mistakes (I am hardly one to call people on this but I do know how to spell deteriorate).

    I would very much like to know more about this Enrrgetis Synchronization Technique.

  69. #70 Jeff
    September 16, 2010

    Whoever wrote this article is a fucking moron. Half of it just extra information about yourself. No one cares about you or thinks your little comments are entertaining. Next time keep it simple and stick to the facts jackass.

  70. #71 Science Mom
    September 16, 2010

    Oh goody, another thread necromancer. Jeff, why are there 670 (now 671) comments on here and no one even knows who you are? The facts are in the post along with links to previous discussions. Try reading them first.

  71. #72 Reality Hurts
    September 30, 2010

    Desiree is in really bad shape again.
    Ya, she is going to fake it for over a year, and hasn’t had any media coverage in months.

    Suzanne Somers by the way beat cancer and Christopher Hitchens is dying from the radiation they blasting him with. Dumb idiot.

  72. #73 Todd W.
    September 30, 2010

    @Reality Hurts

    Who said she was faking it? IIRC, the medical consensus was that she has a psychogenic illness. To put it rather simplistically, her brain is creating the symptoms in the absence of a biological agent. The end result is quite real and something that she very likely has no conscious control over. Plenty of evidence for that.

    As to Suzanne Somers, she did quite well, thanks in large part to the conventional treatment she had. And a citation for Mr. Hitchens dying, if you don’t mind?

  73. #74 Antaeus Feldspar
    September 30, 2010

    Yeah, I would really like to see Reality Hurts attempt to show that Hitchens’ health woes are due to his radiotherapy and not to another cause, such as his oesophageal cancer.

  74. #75 Orange Lantern
    September 30, 2010

    The medical consensus is that its psychogenic, but that Inside Edition follow-up was strongly implying that she was faking it, as they found her walking normally, but she demonstrated that she had to walk sideways only after they interviewed her.

  75. #76 T. Bruce McNeely
    October 1, 2010

    Suzanne Somers by the way beat cancer

    Well, I think that her surgeon has something to do with it.
    She followed this by giving herself a precancerous condition (endometrial hyperplasia) with her stupid home-brew hormone regimen. This again was probably treated successfully by surgery.

    And what would you suggest that Mr. Hitchens do about his inoperable esophageal cancer? Radiation probably won’t cure him, but it will extend his life, and allow him to swallow.

    You should also Google “conversion reaction”. Desiree is a textbook case.

  76. #77 Buteyko
    October 31, 2010

    I kid you not, the buteyko method thing actually works for asthma. I’m the world’s biggest doubter, but there really is something to it. Before you ask, I don’t also believe in leprechauns, unicorns, alien abduction etc. I am a normal, sane person (to some extent, anyway).

  77. #78 Chris
    October 31, 2010

    And a stupid spammer posting on a very old thread that has nothing to do with asthma (other than some other idiot posting the exact same words a year ago).

  78. #79 edwin111
    November 23, 2010

    Thanks for sharing.It also appears that he did “treat” the boy despite the confusing message left here. Though it does display similar characteristics to his message above pass4sure ccna, being poorly written and containing a number of major spelling mistakes (I am hardly one to call people on this but I do know how to spell deteriorate).

  79. #80 pass4sure security+
    November 23, 2010

    Thanks for sharing.It also appears that he did “treat” the boy despite the confusing message left here. Though it does display similar characteristics to his message above pass4sure ccna, being poorly written and containing a number of major spelling mistakes (I am hardly one to call people on this but I do know how to spell deteriorate).

  80. #81 Daniel
    December 26, 2010

    “With time, population density, and their own conviction, they will likely die in a pandemic. While this is surely a horribly cynical and irresponsible suggestion, it would be their choice. They would retain their freedom to choose, and die off in the process. While they die, we can turn our attention to solving the real causes of autism, be it gene therapy, pathology, or other. Why waste our time trying to convince them that the world is round, when we can spend that time doing something more constructive?”‘
    ENT-TT <<

  81. #82 ApillAday
    December 26, 2010

    “With time, population density, and their own conviction, they will likely die in a pandemic. While this is surely a horribly cynical and irresponsible suggestion, it would be their choice. They would retain their freedom to choose, and die off in the process. While they die, we can turn our attention to solving the real causes of autism, be it gene therapy, pathology, or other. Why waste our time trying to convince them that the world is round, when we can spend that time doing something more constructive?”‘
    ENT-TT, you are a SICKO!

    Perhaps because the enduring love we should have for eachother is what makes us human, obviously you feel seperate from this group, leave then, we dont need or want you, capitalist pig!
    Also if you cant see that the majority of todays science will eventually be proved wrong then I put it to you that you are delusional and you should take some psychotropic substances probably provided by whoevers paying you to talk nonsense, if only to shut you up/down because thats all they do. Secondly, the standard of care is designed inherently in such a way as to save the majority and unfortunately kill the minority, it is that simple, and just like 9/11 the infrastructure or the system is ultimately more important than the individual as it prevents the majority from dying, I dont like this but that IS how it is. That said we should aim to remove these unnecessary restraints. The human mind and body is much more complicated than we know just now. SCIENCE HAS GIVEN BOYS THE POWER TO BE GODS BEFORE THEYRE WORTHY OF BEING MEN!

  82. #83 HackYouIntoThesis
    December 26, 2010

    I have been a practicing doctor for over twenty years and because of what I have learnt in this time I refuse to ‘practice’ on humans any longer and I refuse to reveal my true identity due to the sickening and ultimately dangerously underground nature of the current medical/pharmaceutical industry. I have seen many severe reactions to vaccines, pharmaceuticals and other unnecessary toxic substances. I’ve personally seen many people young and old become gravely ill from vaccines, become paralysed and also I’ve seen children die as a result of these measures of general safety where innocents just like in capital punishment will inevitably be killed for the greater good. The problem at hand which the anti-vaxx people may also recognize is not only in the application of vaccines in an individual but the potential for global instability by tinkering with collective health before fully knowing the risks and the problem is also in the intrinsic marketing and fear mongering of those set to profit largely from our health and from our sickness. It is infinitely important that we all recognize the threat money hungry, free trade driven pharmaceutical corporations are to our natural progress. Perhaps humans all have acquired a mental sickness that in actuality fuels the very need for even more sickening drugs or perhaps we are the plague the cynics would suggest. It is clearly just another way for those in control to manipulate the population to their every will in the name of safety and health all the while never mentioning the trillions of dollars set to be made from vaccines, social illnesses created in conference rooms by those set to profit and the thousands possibly millions debilitated or dead as a result of this new drug age. For example BAYER company [creators of H1N1 vaccine and also has strong ties to NAZI Germany death camps] a company which was responsible not that long ago for purposely sending vaccines tainted with AIDS to European countries ultimately infecting hundreds and thousands of unknowing haemophiliacs with the deadly H.I.V. virus and getting away with it too, and they get away with this how? Because the pharmaceutical companies are our new kings they hold all the money, they hold all the power and that is exactly what is going on here. Western medicine whilst dictated by a structure or system is the greatest enemy of our health and is the only thing other than ignorance and inhumanity that is holding us back from self-healing.

  83. #84 Chris
    December 26, 2010

    Aw, isn’t that cute, it is a rash of post-Christmas necromancers. Truly lovely that there are two identical posts with different names, and then an evidence and paragraph free Pharm Shill Rant, but with extra Godwin.

    Some basic rules before commenting on a blog or forum:

    1) If you find an article through Google, before commenting go to the first page and see what is under discussion.

    2) Get to know the place, lurk for a while.

    3) Become familiar with the writing style, especially in how issues are discussed. Anecdotes are not considered data, and neither is a string of insults. Argument by blatant assertion does not go far here.

    4) Actually read the article and comments before commenting.

    5) Try to proof read your comments (okay, we don’t all do that).

    6) If you think you want to bring a subject up to the participants’ attention, please use the search box on the upper left side of this page to see if it has been discussed before.

    7) If you get an error when posting a comment, before posting again… open another window to see if it was actually posted.

  84. #85 T. Bruce McNeely
    December 26, 2010

    I have been a practicing doctor for over twenty years

    No, you haven’t.

    a company which was responsible not that long ago for purposely sending vaccines tainted with AIDS to European countries ultimately infecting hundreds and thousands of unknowing haemophiliacs with the deadly H.I.V. virus

    No practicing doctor would confuse clotting factors with vaccines. He or she would not refer to “H.I.V. virus” – it would be HIV (because V stands for Virus, right?)

    To add to Chris’ list:

    8) Don’t claim to be someone you’re not. You will be found out, and you will reveal yourself as dishonest, as well as stupid.

  85. #86 novalox
    December 26, 2010

    @681, @682, @683

    Ah, three doses of utter stupidity to wake me up this morning.

    Definitely nice to wake up to a good laugh to someone’s ignorance.

  86. #87 Marianne Adams
    January 4, 2011

    So who are these “competent” doctors you speak of? Perhaps the ones that the Journal of the American Medical Association reported in July 2000 were the 3rd leading cause of death in the US? 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes is hardly something to brag about.

    And how is injecting someone with their own urine any worse than shooting them up with live attenuated mutated viruses, mercury, monkey kidneys, mashed chick embryos, formaldehyde, aluminum and aborted fetus cells?

    “The labeling for one vaccine, CSL Limited’s Afluria, has undergone changes this season to inform health care providers about an increased incidence of fever and febrile seizure… The FDA said it was asking CSL to conduct a study of its vaccine in children.” – Reuters

    If you read between the lines: This Afluria vaccine causes an increased risk of seizures, it’s being imported into the USA to be injected in children this flu season, and the FDA is just now asking for a study? That means, of course, that no study has been conducted on this vaccine yet.

    In other words, this vaccine which causes seizures in children has never actually been properly tested in children according to FDA guidelines, so the FDA wants a test to be done but the vaccine will be injected into children in the USA anyway, even before the testing is likely to be completed.

    And that means, of course, that U.S. children are being used as guinea pigs to see what happens to them following this vaccine injection. If enough children have seizures or end up paralyzed or dead, the FDA will probably pull the vaccine off the market. But that only happens after the fact and after the damage has already been done.

    After uranium, mercury is the 2nd most toxic element known. It doesn’t break down in the body but accumulates in the brain and other organs. A typical 0.5 milliliter flu shot contains 50,000 parts per billion of mercury. The EPA classifies a liquid with 200 p/p/b of mercury as hazardous waste. The limit for drinking water is 2 p/p/b. Using the standards set for methyl mercury consumption, a 130 lb. person getting the flu shot would exceed the daily limit by more than 4X.

    A 22 lb. baby would get more than 25X the amount of mercury considered safe. Some doctors recommend babies get 2 flu shots per season. By the time a child is 2 years old, they’ve been injected with over 20 vaccines! A safety data sheet from Eli Lilly and Co. says effects of exposure to thimerosal may include “fetal changes, decreased offspring survival, mild to severe mental retardation, mild to severe motor coordination impairment.” Just what you’d expect from a neurotoxin.

    “My data proves that the studies used to support immunization are so flawed that it is impossible to say if immunization a net benefit to anyone or to society in general. The American Society of Microbiology has promoted my research and thus acknowledges the need for proper studies.” – John B.Classen, M.D., M.B.A.

    “Nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.” – Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testifying before a Senate subcommittee.

    “There is no evidence whatsoever of the ability of vaccines to prevent any diseases. To the contrary, there is a great wealth of evidence that they cause serious side effects.” — Dr. Viera Scheibner

    “The medical authorities keep lying. Vaccination has been a disaster on the immune system. It actually causes a lot of illnesses. We are changing our genetic code through vaccination.” – Guylaine Lanctot M.D. Canadian author of the best-seller ‘Medical Mafia’

    Judging by the following quotes from esteemed researchers in their field, toxic chemotherapy has a lousy track record as well:

    “Two to four percent of cancers respond to chemotherapy. The bottom line is for a few kinds of cancer chemo is a life extending procedure—Hodgkin’s disease, Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia (ALL), Testicular cancer, and Choriocarcinoma.” – Ralph Moss, Ph.D. 1995 Author of Questioning Chemotherapy.

    “A study of over 10,000 patients shows clearly that chemo’s supposedly strong track record with Hodgkin’s disease (lymphoma) is actually a lie. Patients who underwent chemo were 14 times more likely to develop leukemia and 6 times more likely to develop cancers of the bones, joints, and soft tissues than those patients who did not undergo chemotherapy (NCI Journal 87:10).” – John Diamond M.D.

    “Success of most chemotherapy is appalling. There is no scientific evidence for its ability to extend in any appreciable way the lives of patients suffering from the most common organic cancer…chemotherapy for malignancies too advanced for surgery which accounts for 80% of all cancers is a scientific wasteland.” – Dr Ulrich Abel. 1990

    The New England Journal of Medicine Reports – War on Cancer Is a Failure: Despite $30 billion spent on research and treatments since 1970, cancer remains “undefeated,” with a death rate not lower but 6% higher in 1997 than 1970, stated John C. Bailar III, M.D., Ph.D., and Heather L. Gornik, M.H.S., both of the Department of Health Studies at the University of Chicago in Illinois. “The war against cancer is far from over,” stated Dr. Bailar

    “Most cancer patients in this country die of chemotherapy…Chemotherapy does not eliminate breast, colon or lung cancers. This fact has been documented for over a decade. Yet doctors still use chemotherapy for these tumours. Women with breast cancer are likely to die faster with chemo than without it.” – Alan Levin, M.D.

    “The five year cancer survival statistics of the American Cancer Society are very misleading. They now count things that are not cancer, and, because we are able to diagnose at an earlier stage of the disease, patients falsely appear to live longer. Our whole cancer research in the past 20 years has been a failure.” – Dr J. Bailer, New England Journal of Medicine.

    “I look upon cancer in the same way that I look upon heart disease, arthritis, high blood pressure, or even obesity, for that matter, in that by dramatically strengthening the body’s immune system through diet, nutritional supplements, and exercise, the body can rid itself of the cancer, just as it does in other degenerative diseases. Consequently, I wouldn’t have chemotherapy and radiation because I’m not interested in therapies that cripple the immune system, and, in my opinion, virtually ensure failure for the majority of cancer patients.” – Dr Julian Whitaker, M.D.

    “Finding a cure for cancer is absolutely contraindicated by the profits of the cancer industry’s chemotherapy, radiation, and surgery cash trough.” – Dr Diamond, M.D.

    “We have a multi-billion dollar industry that is killing people, right and left, just for financial gain. Their idea of research is to see whether two doses of this poison is better than three doses of that poison.” – Glen Warner, M.D. oncologist.

    “As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incromprehensible to me that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much more harm than good.” – Alan Nixon, Ph.D., Past President, American Chemical Society.

    “In spite of over $20 billion expenditures since the “War against Cancer” was launched by President Nixon in 1971, there has been little if any significant improvement in treatment and survival rates for most common cancers, in spite of contrary misleading hype by the cancer establishment.” – The National Cancer Institute (NCI) and American Cancer Society (ACS).

    Cancer establishment policies, particularly those of the ACS, are strongly influenced by pervasive conflicts of interest with the cancer drug and other industries. As admitted by former NCI director Samuel Broder, the NCI has become “what amounts to a governmental pharmaceutical company.”

    It should be evident to anyone with a lick of sense who the real “quacks” are.

  87. #88 Todd W.
    January 4, 2011

    @Marianne Adams

    Wow. Nice wall o’ text there. I didn’t read the whole thing, but this bit jumped out:

    If you read between the lines: This Afluria vaccine causes an increased risk of seizures, it’s being imported into the USA to be injected in children this flu season

    I assume you have evidence to back up that Afluria is being imported for use in the US? Because, last I heard, the FDA put a halt on flu vaccines from CSL and their US subsidiary. And note, that it was only CSL’s 2010 formulation that had issues, and only in Australia. The FDA’s move was a cautionary one.

    That means, of course, that no study has been conducted on this vaccine yet.

    Uh, no it doesn’t. It means that the FDA wants them to do additional studies above and beyond what has already been done. In fact, if you take a look at the package insert for Afluria, you will find that it has been studied in children 6 mo. to 9 years of age. They have even updated their insert to reference the Australian formulation’s problems.

    After uranium, mercury is the 2nd most toxic element known.

    Uh, citation needed. There are plenty of other elements that are more toxic than mercury, like plutonium or any of the other radioactive elements. Also, it’s a good thing that elemental mercury isn’t in any vaccine.

    A typical 0.5 milliliter flu shot contains 50,000 parts per billion of mercury. The EPA classifies a liquid with 200 p/p/b of mercury as hazardous waste. The limit for drinking water is 2 p/p/b. Using the standards set for methyl mercury consumption, a 130 lb. person getting the flu shot would exceed the daily limit by more than 4X.

    A thimerosal-containing flu vaccine has 25 mcg of ethylmercury. The EPA guidelines you discuss are for methylmercury, a very different and much more dangerous substance. Also, the EPA guidelines set the bar far below the level that results in toxicity and has chronic consumption in mind, not one-time acute exposure. Hey, you want to compare one-time acute exposures? A single can of tuna has over twice the amount of methylmercury as compared to the ethylmercury in a flu vaccine. Methylmercury also take weeks to months to clear from the body, as opposed to days to a week or two for ethylmercury.

    Some doctors recommend babies get 2 flu shots per season.

    The only time a child is recommended to get 2 flu shots in a season is if they have never had a shot before. Oh, and guess what? There are thimerosal-free versions available!

    A safety data sheet from Eli Lilly and Co. says effects of exposure to thimerosal may include “fetal changes, decreased offspring survival, mild to severe mental retardation, mild to severe motor coordination impairment.”

    You mean an MSDS? Yeah, that’s for chronic, industrial exposure. Take a look at the MSDS for sodium chloride. You’ll find that it is:

    Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells.

    Also, under precautions, we find:

    Do not ingest. Do not breathe dust. Avoid contact with eyes. Wear suitable protective clothing. If ingested, seek medical advice immediately and show the container or the label.

    Oh, and:

    Suggested protective clothing might not be sufficient; consult a specialist BEFORE handling this
    product.

    Wow. Common table salt sure sounds dangerous! Better get rid of any you have in your house.

    I seriously suggest you start getting your info from more reputable sources than wherever you got that nonsense. As to your litany of quotations, I unfortunately don’t have enough time at the moment to address them. Perhaps someone else will knock ’em off in my stead.

  88. #89 Orac
    January 4, 2011

    Yeah, it always amuses me when someone like Marianne shows up on a year old post and posts a huge wall of quotes, many of which I’ve refuted multiple times over the years here–or at least refuted quotes making similar claims. The chemotherapy quotes, for instance, are so wrong they’re not even wrong.

    Interestingly, Marianne Adams lists NaturalNews.com as her website. One wonders if she’s Mike Adams’ sister, wife, daughter, or mother, one does.

  89. #90 Scott
    January 4, 2011

    So who are these “competent” doctors you speak of? Perhaps the ones that the Journal of the American Medical Association reported in July 2000 were the 3rd leading cause of death in the US? 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes is hardly something to brag about.

    No, but saving far more lives than that is.

    And how is injecting someone with their own urine any worse than shooting them up with live attenuated mutated viruses, mercury, monkey kidneys, mashed chick embryos, formaldehyde, aluminum and aborted fetus cells?

    Well, let’s see. Mercury isn’t in most vaccines, aborted fetus cells never have been. Monkey kidneys and mashed chick embryos are new on me, but I suspect that they fall under the same category as “aborted fetus cells,” i.e. the viruses are grown in cell lines that a long time ago were derived from such. Formaldehyde is produced by the body in much larger amounts. Aluminum is ingested by breathing and drinking in much larger amounts. And the viruses are “mutated” specifically to make them less dangerous than the real thing.

    But the real answer is because vaccines have been proven to be safe and effective, while urine injections have not.

    If you read between the lines: This Afluria vaccine causes an increased risk of seizures, it’s being imported into the USA to be injected in children this flu season, and the FDA is just now asking for a study? That means, of course, that no study has been conducted on this vaccine yet.

    News flash! The flu produces fever and febrile seizures. More often than the vaccine.

    In other words, this vaccine which causes seizures in children has never actually been properly tested in children according to FDA guidelines, so the FDA wants a test to be done but the vaccine will be injected into children in the USA anyway, even before the testing is likely to be completed.

    False. Flu vaccines undergo all the standard testing. They just don’t repeat it every year for each different formulation.

    If you want to talk about any details beyond that, how about providing some actual reliable information that can be checked? Pubmed references will suffice.

    After uranium, mercury is the 2nd most toxic element known.

    Citation needed.

    It doesn’t break down in the body but accumulates in the brain and other organs.

    False; the overwhelming majority is excreted.

    A typical 0.5 milliliter flu shot contains 50,000 parts per billion of mercury. The EPA classifies a liquid with 200 p/p/b of mercury as hazardous waste. The limit for drinking water is 2 p/p/b.

    None of these numbers have any relationship to one another, as the contexts are completely unrelated.

    Using the standards set for methyl mercury consumption, a 130 lb. person getting the flu shot would exceed the daily limit by more than 4X.

    First, methyl mercury is not ethyl mercury. They are profoundly different. Second, the limit you’re talking about is a limit on long term exposure per day – it has no applicability to something which repeats at most annually.

    A 22 lb. baby would get more than 25X the amount of mercury considered safe.

    Already explained why this is nonsense.

    By the time a child is 2 years old, they’ve been injected with over 20 vaccines!

    So? Particularly given that the overwhelming majority of those are thimerosal-free. Can’t you even decide what it is you’re complaining about?

    A safety data sheet from Eli Lilly and Co. says effects of exposure to thimerosal may include “fetal changes, decreased offspring survival, mild to severe mental retardation, mild to severe motor coordination impairment.” Just what you’d expect from a neurotoxin.

    Only in doses much larger than any vaccine.

    “My data proves that the studies used to support immunization are so flawed that it is impossible to say if immunization a net benefit to anyone or to society in general. The American Society of Microbiology has promoted my research and thus acknowledges the need for proper studies.” – John B.Classen, M.D., M.B.A.

    Unsubstantiatied unsourced quotations have no evidentiary value. Such statements call for references in peer-reviewed journals at a minimum.

    “Nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.” – Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testifying before a Senate subcommittee.

    Yep, once it pretty nearly wiped out polio the risk/benefit equation shifted so a less effective but less risky vaccine became the better choice. Your point?

    The entire rest of your post may be summed up with two words: “citation needed.”

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