Earlier this week, there was a very bad, very credulous story was broadcast. Now, I realize that this is not an uncommon occurrence. Indeed, I’m sure that this sort of thing happens pretty much every day somewhere in the country and even on national media, but on this particular occasion the story was about a man who has become a frequent topic of this blog, namely Stanislaw Burzynski. Burzynski, as you recall, is the Polish physician who runs a cancer clinic in Houston that attracts desperate patients with advanced cancer from all over the world to spend huge sums of money for his treatment, which consist of chemicals he calls “antineoplastons.” What attracts these patients to travel thousands of miles and pay tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars? It’s the promise, promoted by the Burzynski Clinic and the various shills and minions who are true believers in Burzynski’s “alternative cancer therapy,” of life when conventional medicine cannot save them. Burzynski claims to have discovered endogenous anti-cancer compounds in human urine (his “antineoplastons”), and now he synthesizes them and administers them to patients. Unfortunately, there is no convincing evidence (or even much evidence at all) that antineoplastons have significant cancer activities or that they work better than conventional therapy, even against advanced cancers. Lately, he’s been coupling his antineoplastons with something he calls “personalized gene-targeted cancer therapy,” or, as I like to call it, “personalized cancer therapy for dummies.”

Unfortunately there are a lot of reporters out there who don’t get the message, particularly a credulous reporter from Fox 8 News in New Orleans named Rob Masson, who earlier this week did a story about a patient of Stanislaw Burzynski’s and in the process fell for just about every trope arising from Burzynski’s cult of personality and pretty much every bit of self-aggrandizing nonsense that Burzynski routinely lays down, to the point where I was thinking that it would be dangerous to play a drinking game where everyone had to drink every time a Burzynski talking point showed up, and the story is only around six minutes long! By the time Masson opines at the end how “after thirty years of doing this therapy,” Burzynski is “finally going to the FDA” the you’d be in serious danger of ethanol poisoning. Of course, it never occurs to Masson that perhaps the reason it’s been over 30 years is because there’s almost certainly no “there” there when it comes to antineoplastons, which is probably why Burzynski is moving on to what I call his “personalized cancer therapy for dummies” and his “rebranding” of antineoplastons as an “antiaging treatment” called Aminocare® genetic solutions.

It’s interesting to compare and contrast how the media reports on Burzynski with what’s actually going on over at the Burzynski Clinic, because just yesterday morning I became aware of a disturbance in the skeptical blogosphere, a notice, if you will. More about what I’m talking about in a moment, but first let’s look at the story Controversial Cure: Doctor defends cancer treatment. You can tell right away from the very title of the story that it’s going to be a puff piece “human interest story, and so it was:

It starts out with a woman, who declined to be identified, telling her story. Basically, she was diagnosed with breast cancer but decided to eschew mastectomy and conventional cancer therapy in favor of all manner of woo, which she thought worked for years. Given that the various dubious therapies this woman pursued have, as far as I can tell, no evidence of efficacy against breast cancer, in essence this woman remained untreated until:

And the cancer worsened. She developed tumors and by May 2008 she had fluid in her lungs — Mary finally sought a doctor’s treatment.

She became unconscious and was brought back to life with a massive blood transfusion. She then took estrogen blockers and her symptoms improved. But two years later, the cancer came back, this time in her back. Herbal remedies and pills were no longer an option.

Mary got 16 radiation treatments and, like many cancer patients, she followed that up with chemotherapy. But then heart problems caused doctors to stop the treatment.

Mary’s body could no longer tolerate traditional cancer therapies such as radiation and chemotherapy. So she went to Houston to see Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski.

One thing I can tell from even this little bit of information is that the woman had an estrogen receptor (ER)-positive tumor, which might explain why she lived so long untreated. A subset of ER(+) tumors can be pretty indolent and take a long time to grow and spread, even after they’ve reached stage IV. More than likely, that’s the sort of breast cancer this woman had. Not knowing more about her original presentation, I can’t say for sure, but knowing her ultimate clinical course, I’m pretty sure that more than likely her cancer would have been curable if she had simply undergone the appropriate treatment when she was originally diagnosed. In any case, we have the story set up in a typical Burzynski hagiography: The patient is portrayed as at the end of the line, and only Dr. Burzynski can save her. He can’t, of course, but he’s very convincing, except, that is, to people who have a working understanding of cancer biology and molecular biology. To us, his blather about “turning molecular switches on and off” or how he was the first person to propose gene-targeted therapy are obviously nothing more than the arrogance of ignorance that nonetheless leads to failures of medical journalism. That’s not to say that the story is all bad; there is the token skeptic in the form of a local oncologist named Dr. Jane Gertle, who quite correctly points out that, compared to Burzynski, who has his patients pay for his “clinical trials,” pharmaceutical companies “put their money where their mouth is.”

Sadly, the patient, who is referred to as only “Mary,” died last week. Unfortunately, that didn’t stop this report from saying that although she never “completely kicked her cancer,” “she was showing progress.” If Mary’s outcome represented “showing progress,” I’d hate to see what would represent deterioration to this clueless reporter.

This reporter’s credulity aside, this is where Burzynski makes two revelations. First, he says:

We never charged patients in clinical trials.

My jaw dropped when he said this, and I don’t think Burzynski helped himself at all with this. Think about it. If he truly never charged patients to be on his clinical trials, then that means that he must be charging patients for an unproven drug not approved by the FDA, which he routinely ships across state lines as reported by multiple patients, in direct violation of the consent agreement with the Texas attorney general in the 1990s stating that Burzynski: “(a) cannot distribute unapproved drugs in Texas; (b) can distribute ‘antineoplastons’ only to patients enrolled in FDA approved clinical trials, unless the FDA approves his drugs for sale; (c) cannot advertise ‘antineoplastons’ for the treatment of cancer; and (d) on his website and in promotional material and ads must place a disclaimer that the safety and effectiveness of ‘antineoplastons’ have not been established.” If, on the other hand, the Burzynski Clinic actually has charged patients to be on clinical trials, as so many patients have reported, then Burzynski would appear not to have told the truth to the reporter. Either way, it’s not good, and I can’t figure out why he would say such a thing, and I’m not alone in wondering at the red flag Burzynski’s statement raises.

The next revelation was:

Phase two testing of Dr. Burzynski’s treatments are now wrapping up, both in Houston and overseas in China and Japan. He says he is eager to get through the next phase.

This statement raises even more eyebrows. First of all, as I and others have discussed time and time again, Burzynski has registered over 60 clinical trials at ClinicalTrials.gov over the last 20 years or so, but has reported none of them. Burzynski has been “wrapping up” his phase II trials at for at least 15 years now and appears no closer to publishing a convincing phase II trial than he’s ever been. I call BS. As for these clinical trials in China or Japan, I haven’t been able to find any evidence of them, other than references to the Japanese National Cancer Institute reporting that antineoplastons did not work in their studies and vague references from believers to research being done in Japan. None of it’s been published, as far as I can tell, at least nothing recent that contradicts existing studies that have failed to find a benefit from antineoplastons.

It is particularly amazing that Burzynski would make such claims in light of recent events. Not long ago, bloggers noticed that Burzynski had scrubbed antineoplastons from the Burzynski Clinic website in a recent update. At the time I characterized the observation as “rather interesting,” and thought that maybe it was due to a recent warning letter sent to the Burzynski Clinic by the FDA telling it to cease and desist advertising antineoplastons because doing so is promoting an unproven drug. Given how fast and loose Burzynski has appeared to play with human subjects protection regulations over the years, one wondered if something more was going on.

Maybe there was, which brings us back what might really be going on at the Burzynski Clinic. Yesterday morning, I awoke to multiple Twitter notices and e-mails pointing out that one of our British skeptical friends, Keir Liddle, had posted some news over at Josephine Jones’ blog while, five hours behind the UK, I slept. Then I had to go to work and couldn’t revisit the topic until last night. What I learned is that the parents of a patient at the Burzynski Clinic had posted on their Caring Bridge blog that the Burzynski Clinic is currently undergoing an audit by the FDA and that the Burzynski Clinic is, for now, shut down when it comes to administering antineoplastons. Like Keir, I won’t reveal the name of the patient, but I will quote a bit more than he did from the blog:

The Burzynski Clinic is going through some issues right now. They are in the process of getting audited for the past month by the FDA. The FDA has also gotten approved to continue their audit for another month. I believe it was August, the FDA stopped new pediatric patients because a child had went into a tumor related coma and did not get enough water during treatment, thus spiking the sodium level to a fatal level. Now, in January, for reasons unknown to me, the FDA has suspended new adult patients from the ANP as well. I do not know when the new patients will be allowed again or if any restrictions on current patients will also follow. Friday, the Burzynski Clinic shipped us 3 months of ANP, where they normally only ship 2 weeks. They are being proactive and making sure we have the meds she needs just in case any medicine production is stopped. Apparently, a person who monitors the medicine production had a serious medical emergency. This, along with the FDA auditing has us a little on edge waiting to see how it all plays out. Even though this is bad news for the clinic, there is silver lining because when this is finished, the clinic should be moving into Phase 3 of the clinical trail and hospitals and doctors should be able to start prescribing the ANP and doing clinical trials of their own. To my knowledge, Dr. Burzynski has the only medicine not sponsored or picked up by a pharma company. I think that’s why things don’t work like they do for normal drug approval.

So much for Burzynski’s frequent claim that antineoplastons are nontoxic. Dangerous levels of hypernatremia (high sodium) are a known and expected complication of administering a drug as its sodium salt in such enormous quantities, and I do mean enormous quantities. Indeed, the dose of sodium that can be administered from the high dose antineoplaston protocol can be as high as 148 g per day from the high dose antineoplaston formulation, which for an 88 kg patient would require that 12 L of free water be administered in order to prevent massive hypernatremia. If this patient’s family’s account is true, it would appear that a child died of hypernatremia while under Burzynski’s care, and that finally got the attention of the FDA. I have no idea if what this patient’s family is saying is accurate or not, but they don’t have any reason to lie. Moreover, if this really is what Burzynski is telling his patients (and it sounds as though it is), we should find more patients telling the same tale soon enough.

What would be even better would be if we soon hear of the FDA bringing an enforcement action to stop Burzynski from treating anyone else with antineoplastons and investigate—I mean really investigate—what Burzynski was really doing all those years when he claimed to be signing up patients to phase II clinical trials while the Burzynski Clinic charged tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars for antineoplaston therapy, much of which had to be paid out-of-pocket because insurance companies and government health plans quite reasonably won’t pay for unproven therapies. Sadly, I fear that, should the FDA finally shut Burzynski’s antineoplaston operation down, it won’t stop him. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he packed up his clinic (or part of his clinic) and moved it to, say, Tijuana or Costa Rica or someplace else where patient protections are—shall we say?—not quite as rigorous as they are in most industrialized countries. There, Burzynski’s clinic could function along with all the other alternative cancer clinics. Indeed, his Houston operation could even become a “feeder” for his out-of-country operation, applying his “personalized gene-targeted therapy for dummies” approach. Or he could even dump antineoplastons altogether, pivoting to switch completely over to some combination of his “personalized gene-targeted therapy” and/or sodium phenylbutyrate.

No, as optimistic as I’ve become that maybe—just maybe—the FDA has finally gotten serious about Stanislaw Burzynski and the Burzynski Clinic, I’m under no illusion that even if the FDA shut him down it would mean the end of Burzynski’s “alternative” cancer treatments.

But it would be an excellent first step.


  1. #1 DT35
    February 13, 2013

    Thank goodness! I generally stop reading the threads with a heavy DJT infestation, not because he’s ignorant, puerile, insulting and clueless (though he’s all of those), but because his posts are so boring.

  2. #2 flip
    February 13, 2013

    Thank you Orac. I normally don’t like bans or not publishing comments, but I am thoroughly sick of trying to trawl past his stuff. DT35 is right, it’s just plain boring.

  3. #3 novalox
    February 13, 2013

    Now, let’s just wait and see djt make accusations of persecution and unfairness. Should be entertaining to see his attempts at this.

    Oh, BTW, djt, if you are still reading this, I was one of the Wikipedia editors who reported you for your trolling behaviors there.

    Have fun with that.

  4. #4 Narad
    February 13, 2013


    @Narad, you’re link doesn’t work.

    Sorry about that. Let’s try again.

  5. #5 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 13, 2013

    DJT was like a drunk in a bar. Yes, they’re amusing for a while, but then quickly become annoying and obnoxious. Eventually the bartender has wither throw the drunk out or risk losing his regular customers. I am glad Orac has decided to throw the drunk out.

    Nothing will annoy him more than not being able to post his juvenile retorts that ceased containing any substance weeks ago.

    I still question his motive. Since mid-December he has posted hundreds of comments, expending the energy the write thousands upon thousands of words. He has inside information about Merola and uses the same arguments and terminology as Merola, but as much as I hate to admit it, I think Merola is much smarter than DJT and lacks a certain sense of whimsy that DJT has displayed. He was actually trying to be funny at times, a quality I have never seen Merola display.

    Whomever or whatever, I’m glad he’s gone. It wasn’t fun around here anymore.

    I just hope a) he doesn’t find another way to post, and b) Orac doesn’t change his mind.

    DJT must be seething right now.

  6. #6 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 13, 2013

    An interview with Wayne Dolcefino here:

    He admits the FDA is at Burzynski’s clinic right now but says that’s “par for the course” when trials are being completed.

    So the FDA goes to every lab and every research facility in the USA when any Phase II trials are being completed?
    I call BS.

  7. #7 Narad
    February 13, 2013

    Now, let’s just wait and see djt make accusations of persecution and unfairness. Should be entertaining to see his attempts at this.

    Probably try moving back to Pharyngula, be ignored or canned, and then start sending incoherent E-mails to David Braun.

  8. #8 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 13, 2013

    I’m pretty sure PZ banned him too, after his last round of wall-of-text.

    I’m learning that amongst all the science bloggers, Orac is the most tolerant and least likely to ban anyone. DJT wouldn’t have lasted a week on other blogs.

  9. #9 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    February 13, 2013

    I am happy that Didymus Judas Thomas has apparently received the reward he truly desired and worked so hard for, and wish him well in his future endeavors.

  10. #10 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    February 13, 2013

    Please replace “he” above with “he/she/it” and “him” with “him/her/it” as appropriate. I did not mean to wrongly guess Didymus Judas Thomas’s gender.

  11. #11 Narad
    February 13, 2013

    Please replace “he” above with “he/she/it” and “him” with “him/her/it” as appropriate.

    Are you sure you don’t also want to change “well” to “similar success”?

  12. #12 kemist
    February 13, 2013


    Do not try anything that appears on this site.

    They recommend daily doses of 100 mg of iodine FFS (RDA is around 100 – 150 mcg).

    If your thyroid was ok before you try that, it won’t be afterwards.

  13. #13 thenewme
    February 14, 2013

    Iodine / iodoral is one of the most hyped “miracle cures” peddled on BCO, and yeah – even up to 100 mg doses. There’s a group called breastcancerchoices (dot) org that heavily promotes iodine supplementation and recommends a scammy iodine “loading test,” that they even sometimes offer for FREE to breast cancer patients! Wow, what a bargain (NOT). It’s sick how they peddle this crap directly to cancer patients under the guise of being breast cancer patients themselves.

  14. #14 herr doktor bimler
    February 14, 2013

    At one point I started looking at some of the Woo Woo Websites about magical iodine. Sounds like it became part of the magical-thinking pharmacopoeia during the days of Cayce and has been firmly ensconced there ever since. This was after Dangerous Bacon mentioned the topic:

    Soon, however, one encounters Detoxified Iodine (which has had electricity passed through it in just the right way), and Detoxadine, and bio-elemental nanocolloidal states. There is an entire rabbit warren of weirdness there and I was lucky to escape with my sanity intact PEACOCK WIBBLE HATSTAND. Cayce’s various intellectual heirs failed to agree on the proper electrical processing for iodine that will maximise its bio-elemental powers, so there are a number of alternative products on the market CALENTURE PEACOCK.

    It is not difficult to find naturopaths promoting iodine megadose treatment, while recommending homeopathy in the next sentence.

  15. #15 Grant
    February 14, 2013



    Funnily, tonight’s episode of Grand Designs included a peacock. Surely there was a hatstand in there somewhere too.

  16. #16 kemist
    February 14, 2013


    I had read a bit of iodine woo back when I was first diagnosed with hypothyroidism. It was mostly for my own amusement, and to try to understand why some people advised me to take iodine supplements when I knew my thyroid had basically been destroyed by my supposedly magical rainbow-throwing immune system (if you believe what the woo woos say about it).

    How I could have become iodine-deficient in a first-world nation was never explained, and neither was how a shot thyroid supposed to start making T4 with surplus iodine, especially as it would stop receiving TSH signal with the feedback. Then I was entertained by people who believed in taking costly, hapharzardly dosed dessicated pig thyroid, or weird T3-T4 mixes, rather than low-cost, standardized synthroid.

    However, I had never heard of it as breast cancer treatment.

  17. #17 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 14, 2013

    Here’s a longer e-mail response from Wayne Dolcefino to that UK blogger about Burzynski. He stil lclaims it’s normal for the FDA to be on site to monitor trials. He defends the costs of the treatment (hospitals are expensive, yadda yadda) and denounces bloggers who attack patients. He says it’s unfair to attack “joy” when Count Stan is curing children, etc.

    No word on the Phase II trial status. The blogger has asked specific questions about not publishing, the high monthly cost of ANPs, etc. but so far no response to those questions yet.


  18. #18 Krebiozen
    February 14, 2013


    Then I was entertained by people who believed in taking costly, hapharzardly dosed dessicated pig thyroid, or weird T3-T4 mixes, rather than low-cost, standardized synthroid.

    IIRC there is an occasional commenter here I have argued with about the alleged advantages of dessicated thyroid over synthetic T4.

    I have seen Lugol’s iodine (a mixture of elemental iodine and potassium iodide) recommended on CAM sites to prevent (but not treat) breast cancer and bitter complaints that it is now hard to get hold of in the US thanks to Big Pharma suppression (in reality because it is used in manufacturing methamphetamine). The usual test recommended is to stain some skin with iodine and see who quickly it disappears, the idea being that if you are iodine deficient it will be absorbed by the body more quickly. I don’t believe there is any scientific basis for this at all.

  19. #19 Narad
    February 14, 2013

    If I may put on my editorial hat, I kind of wish Mr. James would lose the accent over the ‘n’. I’m well familiar with the inclination to hypercorrect, but Burzynski himself has dropped it, as do many immigrants. (Every time I encounter a Turkish name in a reference list, I have to go dig up the CV to see how they actually hold themselves out.)

  20. #20 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 14, 2013

    Mikey Adams was whining last week that a company that makes water purification tablets (NOT MMS!) was forced out of business because the ebil gub’mit took away their iodine. It was a key component of their product but they can’t buy it anymore in bulk because of its use in meth production.

    Then where do the cancer quacks get it?

  21. #21 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 14, 2013

    When I made beer, I used drugstore iodine to perform a starch-conversion test. Every single brewing book warns that the test batch as well as the plate and any utensils or tools that have come in contact with the iodine are poisonous and should be thrown away, or sanitized in the case of the tools. And that was only using one drop of idoine–literally. One drop. So how is it that such large quantites are being ingested “safely”?

    I realize there are different potencies, concentrations, combinations, etc. but it still seems like a foolish thing to do.

  22. #22 Narad
    February 14, 2013

    In other news, Pediatrica USA’s Web site has gone bye-bye.

  23. #23 Lawrence
    February 14, 2013

    @Narad – hmmmm, that didn’t take very long.

    Perhaps the thread of the Burzynski empire is starting to unravel?

  24. #24 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 14, 2013

    I did send a letter to the FDA last week, including all the supporting links (thanks to Narad). But there’s no way the FDA would act that quickly, would they? I never even got a response from the FDA, not even an auto-repsonse.

    More likely is that Pediatrica was informed that they’re in the spotlight and elected to take down the website as a preemptive move. I’m sure they’re still in business, it’s just more clandestine.

    Or…maybe the FDA at Count Stan’s uncovered some evidence that he’s working with them. Since ANPs are now suspended, they warned Pediatrica.

  25. #25 Science Mom
    February 14, 2013

    In other news, Pediatrica USA’s Web site has gone bye-bye.

    Oooo how interesting; nice work boys.

  26. #26 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 14, 2013

    And right on cue, Eric Merola pipes up:


  27. #27 Narad
    February 14, 2013

    I did send a letter to the FDA last week, including all the supporting links (thanks to Narad). But there’s no way the FDA would act that quickly, would they? I never even got a response from the FDA, not even an auto-repsonse.

    I received a copy of my complaint to the California Board of Pharmacy and a reference number, but there’s nothing on their enforcement page and I’ve received no further communication. If Burzynski was in fact supplying ANPs to an unlicensed pharmacy, this could prove to be very entertaining indeed.

  28. #28 herr doktor bimler
    February 14, 2013

    Pediatrica USA: This site is under construction.
    Best to grab copies from the Google cache.

  29. #29 Narad
    February 14, 2013

    Best to grab copies from the Google cache.

    I think I’ve got the whole thing. Probably should’ve sucked it all down with curl when I had the chance, but that would be… telling. On the other hand, antineoplastons.us, which was the same guy, is gone without a trace.

  30. #30 Krebiozen
    February 14, 2013

    Anyone else seeing a seriously screwed up header on this page?

  31. #31 Krebiozen
    February 14, 2013

    Never mind, it’s resolved itself.

  32. #32 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 15, 2013

    DJT has turned up on Josephine Jones’s blog. Same wall of links, but he’s also bitching about his treatment here.

  33. #33 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 15, 2013

    Oh look. He’s set up his own blog too:


  34. #34 Narad
    February 15, 2013

    Oh look. He’s set up his own blog too

    I wonder whether he’ll moderate it.

  35. #35 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 15, 2013

    Might I suggest we all ignore the temptation to reply to him either on JJ’s blog or his own blog.

  36. #36 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 15, 2013


    What time zone are you in? I thought I was the only one who kept “rock star”* hours. It’s 4:10 a.m. where I type this.

    *Not an ego thing: I’m up all night and sleep ’til noon.

  37. #37 Narad
    February 15, 2013

    What time zone are you in? I thought I was the only one who kept “rock star”* hours. It’s 4:10 a.m. where I type this.What time zone are you in? I thought I was the only one who kept “rock star”* hours. It’s 4:10 a.m. where I type this.

    I’m a time zone to the west of you. It’s been an odd day, and I used to work the night shift, and I had to give up on figuring out how one gets a double-summation Bessel expansion of a single cosine term, and… well, these things happen sometimes. I attempted to post at JJ’s site, but there’s enough weirdness around WordPress-based logins that I simply gave up when it failed.

  38. #38 Narad
    February 15, 2013

    I’m up all night and sleep ’til noon.

    Try the blackstrap molasses and wheatgerm bread.*

    * Yes, I know I’ve used it before. You’ll sleep all night and half the day.

  39. #39 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 15, 2013

    E-w-w-w-w. That was so creepy (the baby face, not the jingle.) Reminded me of Family Guy’s “Prom Night Dumpster Baby.” I take it that was an actual old-tyme commercial? Back in the days when commercials could run two minutes, I guess.

  40. #40 Narad
    February 15, 2013

    I take it that was an actual old-tyme commercial?

    No, that was an old-time mockery of health faddism. That’s Groucho Marx doing the “sleep all night” line, and the inimitable Jimmy Durante is in the mix, as well as Danny Kaye and Jayne Wyman.

  41. #41 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 15, 2013

    Went right over my head. I’ll watch and listen to it again.

  42. #42 Antaeus Feldspar
    February 15, 2013

    Hey, remember when DJT first showed up here and claimed that he was just here to defend truth and reason, not specifically to defend Stanley? Okay, hands up, who’s surprised that he was lying from the very beginning? … yeah, me neither. ^_^

  43. #43 LW
    February 15, 2013

    Antaeus Feldspar, he does have a good word, though: Oracolytes. As Oracolytes, do we get paid? Or do we at least get swag?

  44. #44 flip
    February 15, 2013

    Yet more proof that DJT isn’t half as dumb as he pretends. And isn’t half as naive either. One still wonders why, if he is so capable of setting up a blog, he can’t just write normally… and the answer is either blowing in the wind, or soon to be revealed I’m sure.

  45. #45 LW
    February 15, 2013

    I don’t think DJT’s arithmetical incompetence, demonstrated by the immortal 5/7 = 80% computation, was feigned.

  46. #46 Josephine Jones
    February 15, 2013

    I have unapproved DJT’s comments on my blog as he appears to be a spammer.

    I also note that the blog contains multiple variants of Burzynski’s name and is also apparently set up with the sole purpose of smearing Orac. I think it probably violates the WordPress.com TOS.

    Here is where it can be reported as Spam:


    I think my own blog was suspended because Errol Denton reported me in this way and was encouraging others to do the same.

  47. #47 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 15, 2013

    Keir Liddle has devoted an entire posting to DJT’s new blog. I wonder if Keir is aware of DJT’s track record posting hundreds upon hundreds of nonsense comments and his idiotic juvenile rantings:


  48. #48 flip
    February 15, 2013

    Not sure I would classify Squidymus as a spammer. (Squid yes… ) More like a troll with an uncontrollable urge to regurgitate google results … ok, yeah, maybe that’s spam.

  49. #49 flip
    February 15, 2013

    Oh, Josephine: Squidymus had been here long before the 40 posts thing. I suspect he just ramped it up because he couldn’t post on Wikipedia anymore. I recommend you look at all the other Burzyinski threads here to see his… droppings.

  50. #50 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 15, 2013


    If his intention is to drum up support or business for Count Stan, they yes indeed, that’s spam.

    I wonder if Orac has seen Keir’s posting titled “In Defence of Orac” yet?

    I was in touch with JJ privately once DJT popped up there, to fill her in on his background. She promptly decided to delete the two posts he managed to get through and ban any futher dribbling. I’m sure she would have been inundated with dozens, nay hundreds of similar wall-of-links.

    What’s left for him? The 21st Floor? He’ll be systematically banned by every science blogger out there. Good thing he started his own blog, which will be ignored.

    And who the hell is Arthur Burzynski?

  51. #51 Shay
    February 15, 2013


    What do you have against poor Josephine that you would suggest she read more DJT? Have you no mercy?

  52. #52 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 15, 2013

    This is weird: a “Didymus” just popped up on The 21st Floor but not on a Burzynski thread, and with a comment supporting anti-quack bloggers. Can’t possibly be the same guy, unless he’s just easing himself in gently.


  53. #53 Narad
    February 15, 2013

    On the other hand, antineoplastons.us, which was the same guy, is gone without a trace.

    I must apologize for committing the same error twice. It was antineoplaston.us (not “antineoplastons.us”). Identical to the Pediatrica site.

  54. #54 AdamG
    February 15, 2013

    I find it hilariously apt that DJT on his blog says that RI is hosted at “scienceblog.com”

  55. #55 novalox
    February 15, 2013


    Well, that just tells you the level of reading comprehension he/she/it has.

    Honestly, I’m a bit torn by this. On one hand, he has a forum in which he can post his/her/its ignornance. On the other hand, it’s a good idea that all of his ignorance will be in one spot only, instead of all over the internet.

  56. #56 Lawrence
    February 15, 2013

    @Novalox – I think it will be equivalent to “the sound of one hand clapping.”

  57. #57 Narad
    February 15, 2013

    I think it will be equivalent to “the sound of one hand clapping.”

    This I doubt. The koan represents the penultimate step in the Zen wheel. The crowing of a wooden chicken, once heard, is the call to finish the work.

  58. #58 Melissa G
    February 15, 2013

    Wow– out of all of DJT’s mutated and horribly wide-of-the-mark attempts at humor, one FINALLY landed– “Oracolytes!” That is a GREAT word, and I love it like I love the Pharma Tarts!!!

  59. #59 flip
    February 15, 2013


    If his intention is to drum up support or business for Count Stan, they yes indeed, that’s spam.

    True, I wasn’t really thinking of it in that way.

    But again, looking at the 21st Floor post by Squidymus, it’s clear that the whole language barrier thing is a put on. Either that or someone’s using the same ‘nym. And apparently the 21st Floor one is Aussie – ours was always US.

    This is why I suspect trolling more than spam.


    What do you have against poor Josephine that you would suggest she read more DJT? Have you no mercy?

    LOL! Alright, I take it back: JJ shouldn’t read anything lest her mind melt from the incoherence of it all.

  60. #60 herr doktor bimler
    February 15, 2013

    Either that or someone’s using the same ‘nym

    DJT has no copyright to the name “Didymus”.
    Ideally a skeptical epidemiologist would call himself Epididymus.

  61. #61 ChrisP
    February 15, 2013

    Looks very much like a different Didymus going on the style of writing, the usderstanding of Australian regulatory processes and the lack of links.

  62. #62 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    February 15, 2013

    Looks very much like a different Didymus going on the style of writing, the usderstanding of Australian regulatory processes and the lack of links.

    Not to mention being, I don’t know, understandable…

  63. #63 herr doktor bimler
    February 16, 2013

    So he’s selling ANPs out of a shopping mall from a Laser Tag outlet? Nice. […]
    This guy has to be a business partner of BS SB somewhere down the line…

    is there any evidence that the Pediatrica / Dart-ops / on-line memorials guy is actually working with Burzynski? I mean, for every Burzynski in the Wooniverse, building up a market for his new brand of snake-oil over a period of decades, there is a whole second tier of parasites and bottom-feeders who see the money flow and wonder how they can grab some. It’s not as if the concept of intellectual property is widely respected in the Wooniverse.

    He could have non-Burzynski sources in mind for the antineoplastons he was proposing to export to the non-US market… or just a warehouse of white powder (it’s not as if he would be robbing his customers of therapeutic benefits).

    As well as running the Laser Tag clone, Erwin Ilao claims on his vanity memorial website company to have

    worked for the largest trans-national pharmaceutical company in Asia, known in the Philippines as United Laboratories, Inc. He started out as a professional service representative and then moved on to product management. In his successful stint as a product manager he managed the anti-infective category of the company and launched a third-generation cephalosporin known as Cefixime. Considered in the company to be one of the most promising managers of their time, Erwin Ilao, was tapped to handle the company’s nutritional category whose products range from women’s nutritional drink to adult energy drink. There he was exposed to ageist dilemmas and values and has delved in deeper into business and marketing management.

  64. #64 Narad
    February 16, 2013

    is there any evidence that the Pediatrica / Dart-ops / on-line memorials guy is actually working with Burzynski?

    From the “online ordering” section,

    All products shall come from the Burzynski Research Institute in Houston, Texas, USA. Applicable shipping charges will be added to the order.

  65. #65 Narad
    February 16, 2013

    Of course, I suppose Wayne Dolcefino could sort this right out for everyone, with evidence.

  66. #66 herr doktor bimler
    February 16, 2013

    I read Majikthyse’s statement that Ilao and Burzynski are formally associated, but this could be an assumption, fostered by the former.
    Burzynski is skilled at plausible deniability and it is hard to imagine him leaving a written record of any arrangement with Ilao, given the latter’s naked opportunism. Sorry — his entrepreneurial zeal.

    I did like Ilao’s offer (at both the Pediatrica and Antienoplaston websites) of a money-back offer to take back unused product when the patient dies.

  67. #67 herr doktor bimler
    February 16, 2013

    From the “online ordering” section,
    That ascribes a certain amount of honesty to Erwin Ilao.

  68. #68 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 16, 2013


    Count Stan’s name was all over that website, including links back to the Burzynski Clinic’s own website.

  69. #69 Narad
    February 16, 2013

    That ascribes a certain amount of honesty to Erwin Ilao.

    It does indeed. The question is what happened to Ilao’s operation. Was BRI alerted to it? Then Dolcefino should be able to provide every bit of evidence leading to the takedown. Was law enforcement involved? Then one will be able to ascertain what he was purporting to be shipping, and its provenance, as foam-dart guy sure as hell wasn’t synthesizing anything himself. It’s “murky, to be certain.” But the ball is in BRI’s court, and if there’s a reply, it had better be thorough.

  70. #70 herr doktor bimler
    February 16, 2013

    including links back to the Burzynski Clinic’s own website

    Oh yes. But a poorly-thought-out parasitical scam might include the same links, with the intention of piggybacking on Burzynski’s air of credibility. I shall withhold judgement until someone finds a communication from one of B’s sales reps to a customer recommending one of Ilao’s erstwhile websites as a supplier.

    Burzynski has grandiose plans for a worldwide chain of Burzynski Clinics. Would he really settle for distributing his flagship pills through a dodgy operation run out of a laser-strike company?

  71. #71 herr doktor bimler
    February 16, 2013

    he largest trans-national pharmaceutical company in Asia, known in the Philippines as United Laboratories, Inc

    The Whackyweedia page on United Laboratories is entertaining, illustrated as it is with a photograph of “Sister Ma. Raquel A. Reodica, RVM, famous cancer healer of the Lord”.

  72. #72 Narad
    February 16, 2013

    run out of a laser-strike company?

    I think it’s time to nip this one. Dart Ops, the site for which is still up, is not a laser-tag operation, it’s foam projectiles.

  73. #73 Narad
    February 16, 2013

    Upon further reflection, I think the very least that BRI is going to have to provide in order to maintain deniability is a bona fide C&D and a verifiable complaint to the relevant California law enforcement agencies. In particular, anything short of the latter, with a full paper trail, will lead me to believe they were in on it.

  74. #74 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 16, 2013

    I think it’s time to nip this one. Dart Ops, the site for which is still up, is not a laser-tag operation, it’s foam projectiles.

    I used Laser Tag as a convenient generic term. I didn’t think “foam projectile gaming facility” rolled off the tongue.

    Notice one of the games on offer is an “Assassinate The President” simulation. Very tasteful. Isn’t it illegal in the U.S. to even use those words?

  75. #75 Khani
    February 16, 2013

    #233 I love how he can’t spell the word “hypocritical,” and didn’t bother looking it up before he put it in the title.

  76. #76 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 16, 2013


    I believe that was his whimsical way of combining the word “hypocrite” with “Hippocratic.” But either way, he left out the second “p”. (Pee? Did someone mention ANPs?)

  77. #77 flip
    February 16, 2013


    DJT has no copyright to the name “Didymus”.

    I agree. I’m just pointing out the differences between the one here and the one there.

  78. #78 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 16, 2013

    Eric Merola has popped up in the comments of this latest post about Burzynski. He compares us skeptics to members of the Wetboro Baptist Church. What a miserable piece of human filth:


    Any thoughts about the chakras?

    Now I have to boycott anything Josh Duhamel appears in, just like Jenny M, Suzanne Somers, Tom Cruise, Travolta, and Jenna Elfman, among others.

  79. #79 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 16, 2013

    Darn…make that Westboro.

  80. #80 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 16, 2013

    From Merola’s twitter feed. I’d be so proud to have him on my side if I were Burzynski:


  81. #81 Narad
    February 16, 2013

    Notice one of the games on offer is an “Assassinate The President” simulation. Very tasteful.

    The only thing I’m seeing is “Protect the President.”

    Isn’t it illegal in the U.S. to even use those words?

    No, but it’s very, very unwise.

  82. #82 Shay
    February 16, 2013

    Notice one of the games on offer is an “Assassinate The President” simulation. Very tasteful. Isn’t it illegal in the U.S. to even use those words?

    No, but you’ll make a lot of new friends very quickly. Large men in dark suits with no sense of humor.

  83. #83 Narad
    February 17, 2013

    Large men in dark suits with no sense of humor.

    I suppose it’s time for the canonical watch out for guys on Segways photo.

  84. #84 elburto
    February 17, 2013

    Well I’ve been weeping for days after Diddums struck the lowest possible blow by calling me ‘ElBlurto’. I’m devastated.

    I was enthralled by his claims that Burykidski is virtually a pauper, and loses money from his “trials”. Given that certain British families are on the record as having forked over hundreds of thousands of pounds to him, that the Lola Quinlan cased showed he was selling a drug that costs pennies (at real pharmacies) for thousands of dollars (from his Little Shop of Horrors, and the very easily verifiable fact that his home address is a house worth millions – is Diddums simply blind to factual evidence?

    MSII – He’s fascinated with you isn’t he? Poor Diddums. His apparent ignorance of who MS is (despite his encyclopaedic knowledge off all things Burzynski) is odd. Could he be Marc Stephens, still smarting over his brush with the Streisand Effect?

  85. #85 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013

    Here’s another, much longer e-mail response from Wayne Dolcefino. He is now confirming that he represents Count Stan and “answers” several of the questions posed to him.


  86. #86 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013

    And here are details from Eric Merola about the second part of his commercial, coming March 5!


    (As an aside, I wish Keir would learn when to use, and when NOT to use, apostophes. Oh well, I’m fighting an uphill battle with misuse of English these days…)

  87. #87 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013

    I find it hilarious that Wayne thinks we should use our “influence” with medical journals to hasten the publication of Count Stan’s papers.

  88. #88 Shay
    February 17, 2013

    It hasn’t occurred to Wayne, evidently, that first, Stan has to actually write something.

  89. #89 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013

    Oh, but they’re on their way! Phase II has wrapped up, don’tcha know.

    So now Wayne tells us that “most” clients at Count Stan’s are NOT in any kind of clinical trial, they’re just patients who happened to choose Stan’s clinic rather than, say St. Jude or M.D. Anderson.

    I also think Wayne is alluding to the “Cancer Treatments of America” commercials so pervasive on daytime TV, where supposedly Stage IV cancer patients are now living happy, healthy lives.

  90. #90 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013

    Make that “Cancer Treatment Centers of America.”

  91. #91 herr doktor bimler
    February 17, 2013

    Wayne tells us that “most” clients at Count Stan’s are NOT in any kind of clinical trial

    So he’s re-branding himself? No antineoplastons, no experimental treatment, no Brave Maverick Doctor? Switching to being the Recognised Pioneer of Genetic-tailored Oncology, where he prescribes random cocktails of chemotherapy?

  92. #92 Lawrence
    February 17, 2013

    Wow, interesting turn of events. I guess the FDA has really put a muzzle on what he can and can’t say or advertise….I wonder, with all of those patients who were told they were part of a clinical trial (and I guess this would be directed to the families, since the patients are dead now, may their souls rest in peace or something), might have been given incorrect information?

  93. #93 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013

    The first product of Wayne Dolcefino as a shill for Count Stan is now posted on the home page of the clinic’s website. It’s a two minute video shot around Christmas at the clinic.

    So now Dr. Josh Duhamel joins the ranks of other celebrity doctors like Dr. Rob Schneider, Dr. Jenny McCarthy and Dr. Suzanne Somers. Duhamel is shown wearing a lab coat (!) as he tours the facility and then proclaims that “all the evidence is there.” And he wants to do his best to spread the word. Moron.


    Is that Dolcefino’s own voice narrating this little work of fellatio? If so, I feel sorry for the TV viewers of Houston who had to endure him for over two decades.He uses that phony, over-modulated carnival barker cadence (kind of appropriate) to try to generate excitement and enthusiasm.

  94. #94 Lawrence
    February 17, 2013

    @MSII – when will people realize that YouTube is not a substitute for real Scientific Evidence…..dammit Wayne, get Burzynski to publish his damn results!

  95. #95 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013

    It would appear that DJT is now on Twitter!

    He calls himself a “researcher extraordinaire”:


  96. #96 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013


    But AN ACTOR says all the evidence is there! What more do you sheeple need? Think for yourselves! Something something something Big Pharma!

  97. #97 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013

    How will DJT restrict himself to 140 characters?

    Anyone willing to follow him?

  98. #98 sheepmilker
    February 17, 2013

    MSII: by tweeting 2,000 times a day!

  99. #99 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013

    Hope his data plan doesn’t bankrupt him.

  100. #100 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 17, 2013

    An analysis of the “Japanese research” that Merola says will be exposed in his new infomercial (hope I’m not annoying Orac with all these links to other skeptic sites):


  101. #101 Shay
    February 17, 2013


    I hope his data plan DOES bankrupt him.

  102. […] That’s why I hope that this time the FDA really does shut him down. […]

  103. […] a week and a half ago, I noted that the FDA had apparently paid every skeptic’s favorite cancer doctor who is not an oncologist, […]

  104. […] That’s why I hope that this time the FDA really does shut him down. […]

  105. #105 David James
    February 18, 2013

    @MSII RE: #293

    I thought I’d pop in and say hello! I made 2 fold error when I said in my post about Josh and the chakras. Firstly, I said Merola made the film and he didn’t. Secondly, I ignored my better judgement that was saying “I know that voice”! Having spoken on the phone to him, I should have realised… That is the voice of Wayne Dolcefino.

    Currently writing my next post. It’s my reply to his email, replying to the last post! That made sense, right?!

  106. #106 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 18, 2013


    Great job on the Wayne Dolcefino interviews!

    I’d love to know if Wayne, or Count Stan himself, actually condones the abusive tone taken by his Twitter supporters like @BurzynskiSaves who calls critics “c*nts” and “f**king r*tards” among other slurs. Is that the mature discourse Stan et al. are hoping for? Has the clinic ever disassociated itself from this Twitter guy?

  107. #107 David James
    February 19, 2013

    Thank you!

    It’s been an interesting week or so! I have enjoyed my interactions with Wayne, but I feel from this point it’ll go one of two ways. Either he’ll keep his journalistic integraty intact, really look into the questions I’ve raised or he won’t and well see things turning a little more sour. I hope it’s the former.

    I’d relish the opertunity to have a chat with Stan. If that happens, I will ask him about the online behaviour of some of his more vocal supporters. When @BurzynskiMovie referred to me and jo brodie as f****** r*tards (it was “movie” and not “saves”), It reminded me that I’m always going to be the better man. I have no need for name calling.

    That Wayne was upset by my “journalistic style” may speak to the approach he’s going to take with me in the future… We shall see!

    Also, drop me a DM. I’ve given up trying to figure out who you are! 🙂

  108. #108 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 19, 2013


    We’ve been talking about you and your work on the “Josh Duhamel…” thread. You have lots of fans here.

    I’ll be in touch.

  109. #109 Mary
    Pinnacle, NC
    February 19, 2013

    Since when did the FDA become GOD? The FDA dose not care about you or me. They represent the DRUG corporation people and if it does not make money for them, then FUCK you.

  110. #110 novalox
    Laughing at a troll
    February 20, 2013


    Stay classy, mary, stay classy.

  111. #111 LW
    February 20, 2013

    @Mary, have you checked out the story of Denise D at The OTHER Burzynski Patient Group? Your hero has precisely your attitude towards a dying woman who lacked the money he demanded as the price of his worthless nostrums.

  112. #112 Krebiozen
    February 20, 2013


    The FDA dose not care about you or me.

    I very much doubt that’s true. I believe that the vast majority of people who work for the FDA do so because they want to help to make sure that food and drugs in the US are safe and effective. The FDA and drug corporations consist of people like you and me who get cancer and other illnesses, and have loved ones who also get sick. They have just as much motivation for wanting safe and effective medical treatments as you and I do.

  113. #113 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    February 24, 2013

    DJT is all over the comments of this thread about Orac on the 21st Floor site. Really funny stuff. Deja vu all over again


  114. #114 novalox
    February 25, 2013


    Guess djt didn’t attract many followers to his blog.

    Must be lonely for him, spewing nonsense to no one even remotely interested in his verbal diarrhea.

  115. #115 Rey
    February 26, 2013

    Whoever wrote thus blog is a dumbasd! Fuck you guess some big corporation is writing your paycheck.

  116. #116 AdamG
    February 26, 2013

    Thanks, Rey, for further demonstrating the character of Burzynski supporters.

  117. […] by the FDA, but somehow Burzynski keeps on keepin’ on, as they say. Even now the FDA is auditing Burzynski and might well shut him down; yet CPT12 sees no problem promoting him in order to try to make money […]

  118. […] condition, the audit of the Burzynski Clinic and Burzynski Research Institute by the FDA, which has shut its antineoplaston operation down at least temporarily, and another development that I know about but can’t really discuss […]

  119. #120 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    March 26, 2013

    So it nows looks pretty certain that Dolcefino was lying through his teeth when he said the FDA’s visit to Count Stan’s Little Shop of Horrors was “routine at the end of the Phase II trials.” Bob B. has obtained the observation notes from the FDA compiled during their stay at the clinic earlier this year. Horrifying stuff.

    Here’s Bob’s blog, as well as a .pdf of the notes themselves.



  120. #121 Narad
    March 26, 2013

    In other news, I have indeed received a letter back from the California State Board of Pharmacy regarding Pediatrica, and I have a contact name. I doubt anything will happen, but you never know.

  121. #122 flip
    March 28, 2013

    Re: the FDA notes, is anyone surprised to discover that the IRB has been doing what it should? Because I wasn’t.

  122. #124 W. Kevin Vicklund
    April 12, 2013

    Ha! Diddums is a 9/11 troofer!

  123. #125 Khani
    April 13, 2013

    Six impossible things before breakfast.

  124. #126 flip
    April 13, 2013

    Not wanting to give Diddums any increases in hits, can anyone who has visited give me a quick tour of the highlights from his blog? That is, if they were legible enough for such a thing?

  125. #127 Renate
    April 13, 2013

    Highlights from Diddums? Do they exist? Or are there only low points?

  126. #128 Alain
    April 13, 2013

    Flip, he’s just envious of us 🙂

    like a baby (of which I could think is his mental age), he need constant attention.

    That’s the only highlight of his blog.


  127. #129 Flip
    April 15, 2013

    Thanks guys – looks like I’m not missing much then!

  128. #130 Lawrence
    April 15, 2013

    @flip – as incoherent as his posts here…..still with the same damn stupid formatting too.

  129. #131 flip
    April 15, 2013

    I’m not surprised Lawrence. One wonders how he managed to create a blog at all, given his lack of understanding of basic formatting.

  130. #132 Donna
    Aurora MN
    April 17, 2013

    Hi to all, now I didn’t read every single blog on here hopefully not all of you are that ignorant.
    I have a dear friend who was diagnose with brain cancer when he was a little boy he now I think 22 yrs old .. I know this family very well.. if it wasn’t for Dr, Burnzynski he would of died. His protocol has an 85% cure rate.. quite remarkable if you ask me..You have nothing to loose by going to him when you have a terminal illness..The FDA & the pharmaceuticals are bunch of greedy people who have no concern for your well being..cancer treatment have not improved FDA has pushed that you need chemo before you can see Dr. B but then by that time his protocal life expectancy goes 30%..Do your research people.

  131. #134 janerella
    Irony meter repair shop after reading first line above....
    April 18, 2013

    I can haz cookie plz…

  132. #135 Grant
    April 18, 2013


    Can you point to evidence for this (your words): “His protocol has an 85% cure rate” ?

    A point repeatedly made here is that Burnzynski hasn’t published the results of his “trials”. That being the case, there would be no published evidence supporting a particular ‘cure rate’.

  133. #136 herr doktor bimler
    April 18, 2013

    His protocol has an 85% cure rate.. quite remarkable if you ask me.

    Dear Donna, It is a well-known fact that random statistics made up on the spot are more convincing if they have more decimal places. I suggest that on your next attempt you change it to “84.72%”.

  134. #137 Militant Agnostic
    Up to my ass in muskeg live trapping Wolverines
    April 18, 2013

    Do your research people.

    We did, that is why we know he is a fraud.

  135. #138 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    April 18, 2013


    I know you’re joking but “Dr.” Leonard Coldwell claims a 92.3% cure rate for cancer. I’ve always enjoyed his effort to go to one decimal place. Like 92% wouldn’t be enough.

    He’s an accomplice of Kevin Trudeau so that says a lot about his credbility. His name wasn’t even Leonard Coldwell until 1999, but that’s another story. I’m surprised there’s such a lack of material about him on the the skeptic sites as he served as my entree into the world of woo after hearing him on “Coast To Coast” about a year-and-a-half ago.

  136. #139 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    April 18, 2013

    For those interested in Leonard Coldwell’s history and claims, here’s a primer:



  137. #140 Marc Stephens Is Insane
    April 18, 2013

    Some further background on Leonard Coldwell. And yes, he’s a supporter of Count Stan, to bring this on topic:


  138. #141 Lawrence
    April 18, 2013

    @MSII – do you think the clinic issues a set of “talking points” to parents / patients when they start the protocol? To address questions that invariably get asked?

    The stories / claims are all way too similar for there not to be something that gets hammered into them as part of the “indoctrination” process.

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