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Homeopathy is quackery. There, I’ve fulfilled my normal requirement to start out all posts that I write having to do with homeopathy with a simple, declarative, and, most of all, true statement about what homeopathy is. I also like to mention briefly homeopathy’s two major “laws.” The first is the Law of Similars, a totally pseudoscientific “law” without basis in science that proclaims that the way to treat a symptom is to use a substance that causes that symptom in healthy people. The second “law,” of course, is the Law of Infinitesimals, which further states that the more you dilute a remedy the more potent it becomes. This leads homeopaths to dilute remedies to 30C (C = one hundred-fold dilution) and beyond. Given that a 30C dilution equals a 1060-fold dilution and Avogadro’s number is only approximately 6 x 1023, such homeopathic remedies are unlikely to contain a single molecule of the original substance, other than perhaps contamination carried over from one dilution to the next. Either way, homeopathy is basically water or ethanol or whatever diluent is used to dilute the substance, and any effects from homeopathy are placebo or nonspecific effects. Indeed, I like to think of homeopathy as the Rorschach test of quackery in that quacks see in it whatever their nature leads them to see.

I normally don’t blog about Facebook memes (although I have been guilty on occasion of spreading them around), but the other day I saw this a screenshot of this Tweet:

Upon seeing this, I thought: Good point! Why aren’t there homeopaths trying to treat Ebola victims in Africa? After all, there are, unfortunately, homeopaths out there treating AIDS victims in Africa, a truly terrifying incursion of quackery into Third World countries.

First off, does anyone remember Homeopaths Without Borders? It’s not a joke. (Well, it is a joke, actually, but Homeopaths Without Borders does nonetheless exist.) There really are homeopaths out there who, thinking themselves capable of doing anything more than getting in the way of real doctors and rescue workers, for example in Haiti after the earthquake of 2010. A year and a half later, the results were not exactly what I would call a smashing success, although homeopaths bent logic, language, and medicine to portray it as such. Homeopaths have also claimed to be able to treat malaria, although malaria isn’t nearly as “sexy” a disease (i.e., frequently in the media) as HIV/AIDS or Ebola.

The meme made me curious though? Is Rayne correct? Is it even completely fair? After all, even the Peace Corps is temporarily removing volunteers from West Africa in the face of the spreading Ebola outbreak. On the other hand, While it’s true that Homeopaths Without Borders appears not to be rushing to the areas in Africa where there are currently Ebola outbreaks and hundreds of fatalities, what about other homeopaths? It’s not as though homeopaths don’t claim to be able to treat or even cure Ebola, as you’ll see.

Ebola, of course, is a horrible virus causing a horrible, horrible disease. It’s also very contagious, being spread through the secretions of the infected in much the same way Hepatitis B and C are. The disease the Ebola virus causes belongs to a subtype of viral diseases known as hemorrhagic fever, because in addition to the usual viral symptoms of fever, joint aches, muscle aches, nausea and vomiting, Ebola victims often develop diffuse dysfunction of their clotting system, leading them to hemorrhage from suffer from hematemesis (vomiting up blood), hemoptysis (coughing up blood), melena (GI bleeding leading to gross blood in the stool) and bleeding from mucous membranes (gastrointestinal tract, nose, vagina and gingiva).

Healthcare workers are particularly vulnerable because of their close contact with victims and can contract the disease if they don’t use protective gear, such as surgical masks and gloves, and even if they do use them can still catch Ebola if there’s a break in protection. Presumably the two American doctors who have been infected with Ebola used adequate protection. Nonetheless they acquired the infection. After all, easy to slip up when you’re in prolonged contact with patients with Ebola, as any physician knows how easy it is not to be 100% anal 100% of the time about universal precautions. Indeed:

Sierra Leone’s top Ebola doctor fell victim to the virus and died. Two American health-care workers, volunteers with the Christian aid group Samaritan’s Purse, have contracted the virus. The group has since evacuated some workers from Liberia, but medical staff have been left behind to treat patients.

Given the symptoms of Ebola virus disease, here’s what two homeopaths have proposed a a homeopathic remedy for Ebola:

Dr. Gail Derin studied the symptoms of Ebola Zaire, the most deadly of the three that can infect human beings. Dr. Vickie Menear, M.D. and homeopath, found that the remedy that most closely fit the symptoms of the 1914 “flu” virus, Crolatus horridus, also fits the Ebola virus nearly 95% symptom-wise! Thanks go to these doctors for coming up with the following remedies:

1. Crolatus horridus (rattlesnake venom) 2. Bothrops (yellow viper) 3. Lachesis (bushmaster snake) 4. Phosphorus 5. Merc. cor.

If you are not in the U.S., you must locate your closed homeopathic practitioner and ask him or her to order these remedies for you from Hahnemann Pharmacy, (510) 327-3003 (Albany, California, a suburb of Oakland). If your country’s laws allow you to call a homeopathic pharmacy directly, do so. In any case be sure to find a homeopathic practitioner you can work with. Do not try to take care of yourself without the further education and experience that a homeopath can give you.

If you’re not sure where to find your closest homeopath, call the National Center of Homeopathy, (703) 548-7790, Take this article with you and let a homeopath read it and instruct you on how to use the remedies.

You know what they call an Ebola victim foolish enough to use these five homeopathic remedies in the hope of curing their disease? Almost certainly dead, that’s what! While it’s true that Ebola disease can result in up to a 90% case fatality rate, which is what the Zaire Ebola virus can do, even with good medical care. Basically, all science-based medicine can do right now is to try to support the patient and keep him alive until the body can clear the virus, if it can manage to do so. Of course, homeopathy can’t even do that, which would not only increase the chance of death but prevent even the palliative care that can be given to the suffering.

Unfortunately, Derin and Menear are not the only homeopaths recommending this nonsense. Homeopathy has been proposed by clueless homeopaths as a valid means of combatting bioterrorism, chief among the bioterrorism agents being Ebola. For instance, Joetta Calabrese has suggested:

In the case of Ebola, no conventional treatment or vaccine is available. Fortunately for us, homeopathy has great renown for its healing ability in epidemics.

Calabrese proposes a variant of Derin and Menear’s delusional treatment:

The following remedies would be considered by a homeopath for any of the viral hemorrhagic fevers that match this symptom picture.

As a preventative if an outbreak happens nearby, Crotalus horridus 30C, one dose daily, until the threat is out of the area is the method many homeopaths familiar with this disease suggest.

If a person is infected, the remedies most commonly used would be the following. One dose every hour, but as the severity of the symptoms decrease, frequency is reduced. If no improvement is seen after 6 doses, a new remedy ought to be considered.

Crotalus horridus 30C – Is to be considered for when there is difficulty swallowing due to spasms and constriction of the throat, dark purplish blood, edema with purplish, mottled skin.

Bothrops 30C – Is the remedy to think of when nervous trembling, difficulty articulating speech, sluggishness, swollen puffy face, black vomiting are present

Lachesis mutus 30C ,– when there’s delirium with trembling and confusion, hemorrhaging in any area, consider this remedy. Often, the person cannot bear tight or constricting clothing or bandages and feels better from heat and worse on the left side.

Mercurius corrosivus 30C, – For copious bleeding, better when lying on the back with the knees bent up, delirium, headache with burning cheeks, photophobia, black swollen lip, metallic, bitter or salt taste in mouth.

Secale cornutum 30c,– For thin, slow, painless oozing dark hemorrhage with offensive odor, cold skin and tingling in the limbs. The individual wants to be uncovered and feels WORSE from motion.

Echinacea 30C – For when there’s sepsis or blood poisoning, fetid smelling discharges and enlarged lymph nodes.

Homeopathy is an ideal medical stratagem for survivalists, homesteaders and anyone wanting to be self-reliant in any situation.

I thought this might be a joke, given its proximity to April 1 this year, but it’s not. All you have to do is to peruse the rest of Calabrese’s website to realize that she actually believes these things. Calabrese also pimps her forthcoming book, The Survivalist Guide to Homeopathy. In any event, all of these remedies, being 30C dilutions, are nothing more than water, likely soaked into sugar pills. (I still can’t figure out why homeopaths take their water, press it into sugar pills, and then let them dry out. Why not just administer the water with a bit of salt? In that case, it might at least have a chance to contribute to the rehydration of a vomiting and bleeding patient.

Of course, these recommendations aren’t just the delusional ravings of pseudoscience-believing homeopaths? They’re based on science, maaaan! There’s even a paper in the British Journal of Homeopathy (OK, so it’s not actually science) entitled Sicarus (Six-Eyed Crab Spider): A homeopathic treatment for Ebola haemorrhagic fever and disseminated intravascular coagulation?. Shockingly, I found this ridiculous paper hosted on a personal page on the Indiana University website. In any case, it’s not just Ebola. Homeopaths are deluded enough to think that they can treat potential bioterrorism agents such as anthrax (Anthracinum and Arsenicum album), smallpox (Variolinum, Malandrinum, Sarsparilla, Thuja, Baptisia (Pestinum and Crotalus horridus for hemorrhagic plague; Lachesis, Arsenicum album for bubonic plague; Phosophorus for pneumonic plague), and Botulism (Botulinum and Gelsemium, Arsenicum album, Belladonna Alternate).

I never thought I’d say this (I really didn’t), but this is a case when that font of all quackery, New World Order conspiracy theories, and utter lunacy, NaturalNews.com, is less deluded than these homeopaths, albeit only marginally. There appeared today a post from Mike Adams expressing concern—well panic, actually—that the CDC is bringing a victim infected with Ebola to Emory University Hospital for treatment. At least Adams realizes that Ebola is a disease that is contagious and deadly. On the other hand, it is amusing to see his panicked rant, given how NaturalNews.com has previously published rank germ theory denialism. After all, if microorganisms don’t cause disease, then why worry? Of course, it’s not long before Adams dives into rank conspiracy theories about big pharma wanting this patient to develop Ebola drugs and thereby make massive profits or the Army wanting the body after the victim dies in order to use what it finds to further bioweapons research

The only reason that Adams’ rant is marginally less delusional than homeopaths believing they can cure Ebola is because his rant doesn’t rely on a system of “medicine” that postulates principles that violate the laws of physics and chemistry, but that’s the only reason. The bottom line is that, with increasing outbreaks of Ebola, the fear mongering is going to reach extreme levels, and the quacks always take advantage of that. What they don’t understand is that Ebola is unlikely to spread very far because it is so fatal. Outbreaks of diseases that are this fatal this fast tend to burn themselves out very quickly because the infected can’t travel far or come into contact with enough people to allow wide dissemination. That’s not to say Ebola is not a threat, but it’s certainly not a threat that homeopathy can do anything about.

Comments

  1. #1 TBruce
    August 1, 2014

    Of course, it’s not long before Adams dives into rank conspiracy theories about big pharma wanting this patient to develop Ebola drugs and thereby make massive profits

    They’ll invest in research and develop drugs that will successfully treat Ebola and ultimately make a profit?

    OMG! The horror, the horror!

  2. #2 Todd W.
    http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com
    August 1, 2014

    When I heard the news about the infected physician being brought back, I immediately thought of the book The Hot Zone (great book, absolutely terrifying). I wondered why they would do such a thing, and then I hoped that they took very, very good precautions with this patient.

  3. #3 Unity
    August 1, 2014

    I should perhaps point out that the digs at Homeopaths Without Borders and other individual homeopaths only began after some of them started wittering on, on Twitter, about treating Ebola with homeopathy.

    Naturally, a few of us have suggested that if they’re so confident in the efficacy of their remedies then they should consider flying out to Africa to deal with the current epidemic but, thus far, we’ve had no takers…

  4. […] Homeopaths vs. Ebola virus hemorrhagic fever (Respectful Insolence) […]

  5. #5 Science Mom
    http://justthevax.blogspot.com/
    August 1, 2014

    The Survivalist Guide to Homeopathy

    Right, it’s amazing if you survive using homeopathy.

    This is a golden opportunity for the homeopaths to demonstrate the efficacy of their nostrums to us nasty sceptics. I wonder why they aren’t rushing in there to help.

  6. #6 Science Mom
    http://justthevax.blogspot.com/
    August 1, 2014

    I wondered why they would do such a thing, and then I hoped that they took very, very good precautions with this patient.

    In light of the recent and serious gaffs in pathogens handling by some CDC staff, it appears to be legitimate concern.

  7. #7 Denice Walter
    August 1, 2014

    I just thought up a new verb for what Mikey does**:
    he *conspirafabulates*, i.e. he confabulates conspiracies.
    At the drop of a hat. All day long.

    ** no, not THAT- we already have MANY verbs for that.

  8. #8 fusilier
    August 1, 2014

    OK, I’m uninformed.

    What the pluperfect heck is “mercurius corrosivus” in its day job? Are we talking about mercury fulminate, or …?

    Echinaceae, OTOH, makes perfect sense. A bouquet including coneflowers ought o cheer anyone up.

    fusilier
    James 2:24

  9. #9 fusilier
    August 1, 2014

    “…ought _to_ cheer anyone up.”

    Can we have an edit button, please?

    fusilier
    James 2:24

  10. #10 Eric Lund
    August 1, 2014

    if they’re so confident in the efficacy of their remedies then they should consider flying out to Africa to deal with the current epidemic

    That would make for some interesting and/or awkward conversations with customs inspectors along the way. Depending on who he’s talking to, it may be to the courier’s advantage to admit that he’s carrying a bunch of specially prepared distilled water. I would expect MSF et al. to work with brokers to deal with customs issues in the countries where they operate (usually, medicines have to be declared to customs). If Homeopaths Without Borders neglects this step, that’s where things get interesting.

  11. […] Homeopaths vs. Ebola virus hemorrhagic fever […]

  12. #12 Adrian Simmons
    UK
    August 1, 2014

    “It’s also very contagious” – Can someone clear up my confusion? I was under the impression that Ebola whilst highly virulent (nasty) was not particularly contagious (easy to transmit) because it requires physical contact. Yet I see this ‘very contagious’ all over the media and now here.

    Obviously ‘very’ is a relative term. But Ebola is a lot less contagious than the common cold…probably less contagious than flu…presumably more contagious than SARS…just where does it sit overall? Is it reasonable to call it ‘very contagious’?

  13. #13 Todd W.
    http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com
    August 1, 2014

    @ScienceMom

    My concern arose from the fact that they know this physician is a patient, which means they’ve probably started showing symptoms. If they’re already bleeding, I hope they do a damn good job cleaning the plane and every area that person passes through. Lots of bleach.

    I recall the incident in The Hot Zone where a patient coughed blood right into a doctor’s face, as well as leaving fluids all over the waiting room. Very scary disease.

  14. #14 KayMarie
    August 1, 2014

    @fusilier – Google says mercuric chloride

    Why do homeopaths get to use diluted mercury? Aren’t we afraid of them causing autism? I mean if it is way more potent than anything in a vaccine?

  15. #15 Orac
    August 1, 2014

    “It’s also very contagious” – Can someone clear up my confusion? I was under the impression that Ebola whilst highly virulent (nasty) was not particularly contagious (easy to transmit) because it requires physical contact.

    Maybe “very contagious” for a blood- and secretion-borne pathogen would be a better way of putting it. After all, presumably the American doctors who became infected were using universal precautions. Their being infected implies that it doesn’t take much of a break in protection to acquire the virus. African families frequently catch the disease caring for their loved ones and transmission through embalming the bodies of those who have died of the disease has been described. Also, given all the hemorrhage that is so frequent in severe Ebola disease, it’s very easy to come into contact with the blood of the infected, even as tiny droplets that you don’t notice, and all it takes is contact of that blood with mucous membranes or an open cut. I liken it to Hepatitis B, if Hepatitis B caused such bleeding.

  16. #16 Todd W.
    http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com
    August 1, 2014

    @Adrian Simmons

    Well, ebola isn’t an airborne/respiratory virus like measles, so it’s hard to transmit like that. You do need to have direct contact with infectious fluids, but if that fluid gets into your system through cuts or contact with your mucous membranes, there’s a really good chance you’ll be infected.

    That said, since the virus induces coughing and vomiting, it’s possible to be infected pretty easily if, like that doctor I mentioned above, the patient coughs in your face. Have to take a lot of care when dealing with contaminated surfaces, too, especially during cleanup. It’s easy to miss little droplets of blood, which can travel quite far.

  17. #17 Chris Hickie
    in a cabin in the woods
    August 1, 2014

    “A man’s got to know his limitations”. Homeopaths don’t know theirs. Homeopaths without Borders? More like Quacks without Qualms.

    If those bozos actually get to lay their mitts on someone with ebola, I predict no better survival rate than no treatment at all. And also some misguidedly infected quacks.

  18. #18 rs
    August 1, 2014

    “Can we have an edit button, please?”

    Scienceblogs can do a RCT with a placebo control. They can put an “edit” button on your post and you can press the button. Nothing happens. You will then be tested to see if pressing the button made you feel better. For the homeopathic version of this test they make the button less than 1 pixel wide.

  19. #19 Chadwick
    August 1, 2014

    I followed more of the link, and possibly you did the same. But http://www.indiana.edu/~psychag/cam/ contains some sort of weird CAM game. SMH…

  20. #20 Rich Woods
    Home, unbloodied
    August 1, 2014

    As a preventative if an outbreak happens nearby, Crotalus horridus 30C, one dose daily

    Presumably Crotalus horridus has a 100% match against the symptoms caused by a rattlesnake bite, and is therefore very effective against it. Perhaps a homeopath would care to demonstrate this effect by taking this 30C preventative for, say, 10 days, and then picking up a rattlesnake.

    Only joking. I would hate to see the poor rattler upset.

  21. #21 LW
    August 1, 2014

    “gross blood in the stool” There are times when medical and vernacular language coincide.

  22. #22 Orac
    August 1, 2014

    @Chadwick: This is the link, and it is properly linked in the post:

    http://www.indiana.edu/~psychag/cam/interview/long_lost_manuscript.pdf

  23. #23 Tsu Dho Nimh
    August 1, 2014

    @13 ” If they’re already bleeding, I hope they do a damn good job cleaning the plane and every area that person passes through. Lots of bleach.”

    they have a self-contained transport pod (like the “Bubble Boy’s pod), so the inside of any transport stays uncontaminated.

    The main problem seems to be the customs for burial are propagating the virus – and the “you only go to the hospital to die” idea that keeps ill people at home where they infect the rest of the family.

  24. […] course, the lack of a cure or prevention for Ebola means the anti-science quack pushers are out in force. And that means […]

  25. #25 Todd W.
    http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com
    August 1, 2014

    @Tsu Dho Nimh

    they have a self-contained transport pod (like the “Bubble Boy’s pod), so the inside of any transport stays uncontaminated.

    That’s good. Still makes me very nervous, though. Need to take a lot of care to make sure there are no breaks in the protective barriers. And still a good idea to wipe areas down with bleach.

    Certainly education about how the virus is spread and how traditional burial customs could be modified to reduce the risk would be good. I worry, though, about people going into a hospital that is not prepared to receive them properly. Don’t want someone hemorrhaging all over the waiting room, where there are other patients/visitors.

  26. #26 Karl Withakay
    August 1, 2014

    I am constantly amused by Homeopaths’ infatuation with language that implies scientific legitimacy, as in Latin/Latiny names for remedies.

    Here’s a game, figure out which of these are homepoathic remedies and which are Harry Potter spells:

    Sectumsempra
    Malandrinum
    Thuja
    Riddikulus
    Verdimillious Duo
    Bothrops
    Wingardium Leviosa
    Lumos Maxima
    Specialis Revelio
    Anthracinum
    Mercurius corrosivu
    Protego Maxima
    Secale cornutum
    Pestinum
    Lachesis mutus
    Expelliarmus
    Locomotor Mortis
    Variolinum
    Baptisia
    Crotalus horridus
    Orchideous
    Arsenicum album

  27. #27 Krebiozen
    August 1, 2014

    LW,

    “gross blood in the stool” There are times when medical and vernacular language coincide.

    To be pedantic, and having dealt with more stool samples than I care to remember, melena refers to black, tarry stools (the mel- part is from the Greek for ‘black’ as in melanin), from bleeding further up the GI tract (the digestive system partially digests the blood.

    Frank, visible red blood in the stools, from bleeding further down the GI tract, is called hematochezia. Depending on transit time, the presence of one or the other gives an idea of where in the GI tract the bleeding is occurring.

    I would imagine ebola gives rise to both melena and hematochezia, making Orac’s description even more apt.

  28. […] Und natürlich dürfen auch homöopathische Quacksalber, die Ebola mit Globuli “bekämpfen” wollen, nicht fehlen. […]

  29. #29 Orac
    August 1, 2014

    I think a general surgeon knows what melena is. I was just boiling it down for the audience. I could easily have waxed poetic about the difference between melena and hematochezia, having unfortunately seen them both many times myself up close and personal back before I specialized in breast surgery, but I chose not to because it would only muddy the descriptions of the symptoms that mattered to most readers: Bleeding out of mucus membranes and various orifices, which is a pretty nasty picture in itself.

  30. #30 Eric Lund
    August 1, 2014

    Karl @26: An interesting game. I’ll take a stab.

    “Riddikulus” is one I specifically remember as being from Harry Potter. I’m going to guess that the three others that seem to involve first person verbs (“Specialis Revelio”, “Protego Maxima”, and “Expelliamus”) are also from Harry Potter, and the rest are homeopathic remedies.

    How did I do?

  31. #31 LW
    August 1, 2014

    Sectumsempra
    Wingardium Leviosa

    Also from Harry Potter.

  32. #32 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 1, 2014

    Lumos Maxima, Locomotor Mortis, and Orchideous are also Harry Potter.

    Bothrops would be a great name for a shop on Knockturn Alley, but…

  33. #33 Spirochete
    August 1, 2014

    obviously mike adams is a complete tool, but seriously you can’t infer that because quacks don’t want to go over and try to cure ebola, that this disproves homeopathy. if you were the manufacturer of hazmat suits would you go try to prove how good your product was by hanging out with ebola pts? they’re an easy target, and I actually don’t think they are saying they would treat or cure ebola. I also think homeopathy is ridiculous, and its place is only for those who have no other option. I wouldn’t deny someone a little placebo effect though, without capitalizing on it of course…
    anyways we don’t know that the infected providers had the proper equipment to protect themselves…I think it is shameful the panic going around about this disease solely because the US is taking care of their own..

  34. #34 Narad
    August 1, 2014

    I could easily have waxed poetic about the difference between melena and hematochezia

    Something something sandwiches something.

    P.S. Am I the only one for whom the comment fields are no longer being remembered?

  35. #35 herr doktor bimler
    August 1, 2014

    I could easily have waxed poetic about the difference between melena and hematochezia

    If you’re taking requests, a sonnet would be nice.

  36. #36 Denice Walter
    August 1, 2014

    @ Narad:

    No, it’s not only you.

    -btw- I read Orac’s comment ‘waxed poetic about the difference between…. ‘ JUST as I was about to take my grilled Norwegian salmon out of its pristine container to eat but decided then to delay that action for an hour or so for some reason.

  37. #37 Denice Walter
    August 1, 2014

    Now it’s fixed.
    I KNEW Narad was magic.

  38. #38 SkepticalRaptor
    http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php
    August 1, 2014

    I just got a message from Rayne_2 that he was just being snarky. He didn’t actually know that Homeopaths without Borders was a real organization. Too funny. It’s kind of crazy that our snark is reality. That’s just sad.

    http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/homeopathy-stop-ebola-outbreak/#comment-1520920798

  39. #39 Ken
    August 1, 2014

    Sicarus (Six-Eyed Crab Spider): A homeopathic treatment for Ebola haemorrhagic fever and disseminated intravascular coagulation?

    You’re sure it’s a British journal? I would have thought German – the most important thing for the very end of the sentence. And such a lot of weight that “?” is carrying…

  40. #40 Denice Walter
    August 1, 2014

    Now it’s gone again.
    Easy come,easy go.

  41. #41 Science Mom
    http://justthevax.blogspot.com/
    August 1, 2014

    …but seriously you can’t infer that because quacks don’t want to go over and try to cure ebola, that this disproves homeopathy.

    @ Spirochete, great ‘nym by the way having had one a few times. But on topic, I don’t think that is quite what was being inferred, rather it’s interesting to note that the homeopaths themselves don’t even have faith in their nostrums to travel to such a horrible outbreak scenario. They stay where it’s “safe” and then toot their horns triumphantly about the assistance they provided. They’re low-hanging fruit and we already know their majik water doesn’t work.

    and I actually don’t think they are saying they would treat or cure ebola.

    Well yes they did actually. One actually being an M.D. if you read the full post.

    if you were the manufacturer of hazmat suits would you go try to prove how good your product was by hanging out with ebola pts?

    Actually, in a way that’s what they kind of have to do to make sure their products will stand up under field conditions.

    anyways we don’t know that the infected providers had the proper equipment to protect themselves…

    No we don’t or several other possibilities but they are all independent of whether homeopaths should be making bold claims about their Ebola “cures”.

  42. #42 Judy
    August 1, 2014

    According to Sayer Ji at Greenmedinfo (really Greenmedmarket where they sell supplements and woo):

    “Natural Treatments for Ebola Virus Exist, Research Suggests.”

    Read at your own peril.

    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/natural-treatments-ebola-virus-exist-research-suggests

  43. #43 H. Jones
    August 1, 2014

    What really makes these terrible is that these ‘remedies’, even at full strength, would not cause Ebola-like symptoms when taken as directed.

    Snake venom is digested when swallowed with no ill effect. It must be injected to cause problems.

  44. #44 lilady
    August 1, 2014

    Sayer Ji ought to volunteer to care for those patients in Africa.

    You’re all wrong. Ebola Virus disease is actually Acute Induced Scurvy and curable by massive IV doses of ascorbic acid.

    http://vitamincfoundation.org/www.orthomed.com/index2.htm

  45. #45 lilady
    August 2, 2014

    That settles it.

    Noted scientist, infectious diseases specialist and epidemiologist, Donald Trump, doesn’t think the two Americans who have been diagnosed with Ebola virus, should be brought to Emory Hospital for treatment:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/495182739310936064

    P.S. “Melena” is not Donald Trump’s current wife; her name is Melania Knauss Trump.

  46. #46 Putang-Ina Mo!
    August 2, 2014

    The writer here is an idiot. I am from the Philippines and we only go to our homeopathic doctor who has healed my children of diseases from pneumonia to dengue hemorraghic fever.

  47. #47 Tapetum
    August 2, 2014

    lilady – the vitamin C site is an amazing toxic blend of god-awful site design and brain-bleeding idiocy. I guess if you can’t get evidence on your side, aim for shocking your reader into stupidity?

  48. #48 formerevilstepmother
    August 2, 2014

    IMPLY! The word is imply. I imply that you are a mouth-breathing cretin. You sound out the preceding sentence and infer that I think you aren’t very smart.

  49. #49 lilady
    August 2, 2014

    @ Putang…You are either a troll or a fool. We have 578 confirmed cases of measles in the United States, YTD…most of them associated with travel to the Philippines, where ~ 40,000 cases have been reported, causing hundreds of deaths.

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/wk/mm6330md.pdf

    Tapetum: I “depend” on The Vitamin C Council to provide a wealth of material for infectious diseases, alternative “cancer cures”…and cures for every other disorder known to man.

  50. #50 SpaceTrout
    Inna gadda Velveeta.
    August 2, 2014

    I cannot take vitamins (words with the letter “v” are sinful), so I think I’ll get some essential oils for all my ebola needs.

    http://www.essentialoilsforthewin.com/ebola/

    SMH

  51. #51 Politicalguineapig
    August 2, 2014

    Karl Withakay: Oh, that’s cheating. I’m sure those are all from Harry Potter.

    Narad: Oh, I thought it was just me.

  52. #52 lilady
    August 2, 2014

    SpaceTrout: If you cannot take vitamins…you can make money, plenty of it…by becoming part of the MLM pyramid scheme which the Baileys are selling on their essential oils website.

    Oregano oil? Oregano works on pizza, not on Ebola virus.

  53. #53 ChrisP
    August 2, 2014

    I don’t think Mike Adams is that far in front of the homeopathy. He has been advocating Chinese herbal remedies, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, zinc and selenium.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/046260_Ebola_natural_cures_medicinal_herbs.html

  54. #54 NZ Sceptic
    August 2, 2014

    No, it’s not only you.
    Just now, the Scienceblogs website has for some reason decided to fill in the Name field with “NZ Sceptic”, and not satisfied with that, has also filled in the Email field with NZ Sceptic’s e-mail address. What? I am not NZ Sceptic and I don’t really need to read his or her identification details.

    Noted scientist, infectious diseases specialist and epidemiologist, Donald Trump, doesn’t think the two Americans who have been diagnosed with Ebola virus, should be brought to Emory Hospital for treatment:

    I was reading a NBC report which reported some boofheads as criticising the idea of repatriating the sick US doctors for treatment in the US. I confess, straightaway I leapt to unworthy conclusions about the kind of people who would voice these criticisms, and their likely political alignment. However, I can’t claim credit for specifically predicting Trump as spokesman for the idea that you should lose all rights as a citizen if you contract scary diseases while overseas.

  55. #55 herr doktor bimler
    August 2, 2014

    Whoops, that last comment was from me, except Scienceblogs software had other ideas.

  56. #56 lilady
    Not in New Zealand
    August 2, 2014

    Forbes science blogger David Kroll, has attracted some of those trolls. Those trolls have attracted me to their comments.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2014/08/01/should-we-be-concerned-about-american-ebola-patients-coming-to-emory-hospital/

    Let’s see if they come back. I’m just in the right mood to post back and shame them for their colossal ignorance.

    Feel free to post comments back at them. I’m not an early riser, but a night owl and it is 4:30 AM Saturday morning for me. :-)

  57. #57 herr doktor bimler
    August 2, 2014

    Those trolls have attracted me to their comments.

    So the nimrods want some kind of veto power over which diseases a hospital should be allowed to treat? Clearly the hospital staff are happy to look after their sick colleagues, and whose else business it it?

  58. #58 NZ Sceptic
    August 2, 2014

    Eeek! I am the real NZ Sceptic and I can’t imagine what’s going on here!

  59. #59 Krebiozen
    August 2, 2014

    Orac,

    I think a general surgeon knows what melena is. I was just boiling it down for the audience.

    Of course I know you know; I was expanding on what you wrote, for the audience. Some commenters here enjoy delving into the precise meaning and origins of words, as I do, and I thought they might find a bit of scatological etymology interesting. No criticism was intended, and I apologize for any offense caused.

  60. #60 LW
    August 2, 2014

    @lilady, my question on bringing the American Ebola victims to the States for treatment is the timing. Given their grave condition, bringing them in one at a time with several days in between doesn’t make sense to me. Who gets to stay behind for several days? I would think for purely medical reasons it would make more sense to send equipment and staff to them there or in a nearby country so they can both get treatment as fast as possible.

    I don’t think they pose any risk of starting an epidemic here (the “pandemic” comment on the Forbes site was hilarious) but I do wonder about the well-being of the patients. Better some good treatment available immediately than superb treatment available after the patient has succumbed.

  61. #61 Marthw
    August 2, 2014

    Homeopathy saved my life. Discounting something without truly knowing what you are talking about is not true science. Homeopaths were able to pretty much cure most all of their patients of the 1919 flu epidemic, where regular medicine could not. I wish my grandmother had homepathy then, but she probably caught it in the hospital where my mother was born and died there. My cat had severe diabetes which was being cured in three years with homeopathy, whereas when I looked online about giving insulin, I just saw people having trouble adjusting their dose properly and just getting worse and worse untill they died.

  62. #62 Dangerous Bacon
    August 2, 2014

    Adults are (and generally should be) free to dose themselves with whatever quackery they want.

    Inflicting homeopathy on animals with treatable illnesses is grotesque abuse.

  63. #63 Renate
    August 2, 2014

    @Marthw
    You know homeopathy is just water, don’t you?

  64. #64 squirrelelite
    not New Zealand (actually New Mexico)
    August 2, 2014

    @Marthw,

    OK, please show that you know what you are talking about.

    1. What are the two underlying principles of homeopathy?

    2. What life-threatening disease or medical condition did you have?

    3. What homeopathic item did you receive? (What were the ingredients and dilutions?)

    4. Can you cite a published study demonstrating that the item you received is effective for treating your illness?

    Note: Homeopathy didn’t work very well for my sister-in-law’s cancer.

  65. #65 Narad
    August 2, 2014

    Homeopaths were able to pretty much cure most all of their patients of the 1919 flu epidemic

    *KOFF* Perhaps the “effectiveness” of homeopathy was responsible for the increased virulence of waves 2 and 3.

    P.S. And the autofill is gone again.

  66. #66 ChrisP
    August 2, 2014

    Marthw, homeopathy were not able to cure most of their patients in the 1919 flu pandemic, because all they gave them were sugar pills.

    That is all homeopathy is, dried water on sugar pills.

    If you treated your cat’s diabetes with homeopathy, then that is animal cruelty.

  67. #67 Julian Frost
    Gauteng East Rand
    August 2, 2014

    I’m a member of “Things antivaxxers say” on Facebook.
    One of the damn fool antivaxxers claimed she’d cured herself of Ebola.
    Yes, she actually said that.

  68. #68 lilady
    August 2, 2014

    Julian Frost: Thanks for that post. That wouldn’t happen to be the “New Professor”, who is convinced that selenium and the Vitamin C cure all, made that comment, would it?

    https://www.facebook.com/656716804343725/photos/a.660980460584026.1073741827.656716804343725/882667595081977/?type=1&permPage=1

    BTW, Doctor Brantly has arrived at Emory Hospital. A local TV station’s helicopter news crew shows him walking out of the ambulance to enter the hospital, in full hazmat garb.

  69. #69 Dr.E. Berndt
    Attersee
    August 2, 2014

    HOMÖOPATHIE eine irre medizinische GLAUBENSLEHRE

    Aufklärung und Bildung im Gegensatz zu den Grundlagen der Homöopathie

    Die Betreuung, Erziehung und die Schul- und Universitätsbildung von Kindern und Jugendlichen hat zum Ziel, diesen nicht nur eine berufliche Ausbildung, sondern auch eine Bildung im klassischen Sinne der Aufklärung angedeihen zu lassen. Das beginnt schon im Kindergarten. Hier können bereits emotionale und intellektuelle Anlagen gefördert oder unterdrückt werden, die für die Entwicklung der Persönlichkeit einerseits und für die berufliche Zukunft andrerseits bedeutend sind. Allen Kindern sollte ermöglicht werden, später als Erwachsene mündig, selbstbestimmt und verantwortungsbewusst leben zu können.

    Wirklich verantwortungsbewusst kann aber nur dann gehandelt werden, wenn die Folgen von Entscheidungen mit hinreichender Gewissheit abzusehen sind. Diese hinreichende Gewissheit setzt ein naturwissenschaftliches Basiswissen, Skepsis und Verständnis für mündige Erwachsene voraus. Daher gibt es keine Bildung und Ausbildung ohne Naturwissenschaft bzw. naturwissenschaftliches Grundwissen.

    Das Gegenteil wäre der Fall, wenn eine bloße Betreuung und Verwahrung der Kinder im Kindergarten und nachfolgenden Bildungseinrichtungen gefragt ist. Auch könnten Kindern und Jugendlichen lediglich bestimmte Verhaltensweisen und/oder Fertigkeiten angelernt werden, um sich später zu bewähren und selbständig leben zu können. Dazu wird in aller Regel nur eine entsprechend qualifizierte Ausbildung oder ein Anlernen notwendig sein, um eben beschäftigt werden zu können. Das ist jedoch nicht „Bildung“ im klassischen Sinn. Bildung und Ausbildung sind nicht das gleiche. Sie sollten einander ergänzen.

    Die Kriterien, Ansichten und Lebensphilosophien, mit denen die Welt erklärt werden kann, können sehr unterschiedlich sein. Die selektive Wahrnehmung und die Eigenheit unseres Gehirns, aufeinanderfolgende Ereignisse zwingend nur als Verknüpfung von Ursache und Wirkung anzusehen, erlauben es jedem eine private bzw. subjektive „Logik“ zu entwickeln. Diese Logik ist nur scheinbar aber praktisch vorteilhaft. So kann man sich die Welt auch mit den verschiedensten magischen, esoterischen und abergläubischen Vorstellungen „subjektiv“ erklären und hinter den Dingen Zusammenhänge sehen, mit denen man mehr oder weniger erfolgreich sein Leben bestreiten und auf die Zukunft schließen kann. Der Mondkalender und das Tageshoroskop sind so verführerische simple und daher besonders einleuchtende Regeln, um ohne weiteres Nachdenken entscheiden zu können. Besonders attraktiv sind anscheinend einfache, klare, alles erklärende „Grundsätze“, die jeder versteht und die nicht so kompliziert und unverständlich wie Wissenschaft sind. Auch Religionen, besonders fundamentalistische, geben ein Weltbild mehr oder weniger zwingend vor. Wenn man darüber ernsthaft nachdenkt, sind Konflikte mit den Erkenntnissen der Naturwissenschaften unausweichlich und auch nicht wirklich auflösbar. Rational aufgelöst werden diese Konflikte nicht, sie werden nur teilweise oder überhaupt nicht wahrgenommen. Eine naturwissenschaftliche Erkenntnis wird einfach zur beliebigen und persönlichen Meinung erklärt, die man teilen kann oder auch nicht.

    In der Vergangenheit, in vorwissenschaftlicher Zeit, war es auch gar nicht anders möglich, als sich die Welt irgendwie beseelt und zweckgerichtet vorzustellen. Die Tücke des Objekts war existenziell ernst zu nehmen. Alles schien beseelt zu sein und das Unerklärliche wurde „sinnvoll“ durch zahlreiche gute und böse Geister und zuletzt durch den unerforschlichen Ratschluss eines Gottes. Es immer noch so zu sehen und sich so zu verhalten, als ob es keine Entwicklung, keinen gesicherten naturwissenschaftlichen Wissenszuwachs gäbe und auch heute noch fest an unmögliche, magische Zusammenhänge zu glauben, bedeutet unseren heutigen Wissensstand zu ignorieren, zu negieren und zu verkennen. Anstelle einer wissenschaftlich gesicherten Kausalität auf dem Fundament der Naturwissenschaften wird das magische Wirken von Geistern und dergleichen mehr angenommen. Diese alleskönnenden guten oder bösen Geister von ehedem werden hinter modernen Begriffen versteckt. Man spricht jetzt von Energien, Kraftfeldern, Quanten, Blockaden usw.

    Wer heute noch die „Theorie“ vertritt, die Erde sei eine Scheibe, wird mehrheitlich als Narr angesehen, aber wer heute noch nach der antiken 4-Säfte-Lehre therapeutische Maßnahmen setzt, hat keine derartige Ächtung zu befürchten, obwohl die 4-Säfte-Lehre als Erklärungsmodell genauso überholt ist wie die Theorie, dass die Erde eine Scheibe wäre.

    Homöopathie ein versteinertes Relikt überholter vorwissenschaftlicher Vorstellungen

    Niemand kann zur Annahme eines rationalen Verständnisses gezwungen werden. Praktisch lässt sich das an der ausufernden esoterischen Szene und vor allem auch in der alternativen, komplementären und ganzheitlichen Medizin- und Heilszene, an Wunderheilern und dubiosen Heilpraktikern beobachten. Hier herrschen immer noch und schon wieder unwissenschaftliche Überzeugungen und Erklärungen vor, die heute im Lichte der Naturwissenschaft einfach als magisch zu bezeichnen sind. Die Homöopathie ist das Paradebeispiel einer solchen Irrlehre. Sie steht mit ihren magischen Vorstellungen im Gegensatz zu allen gesicherten medizinischen Erkenntnissen und wird trotzdem im modernen Medizinbetrieb allgemein akzeptiert. Sie ist keine abstruse Randerscheinung, sondern fixer Bestandteil im medizinischem Alltag und der Ausbildung bis in die Universität hinein. Man könnte fast meinen, dass sich Aberglaube und Esoterik vorzugsweise in die Medizin zurückgezogen haben und von dort aus sich anschicken, die Errungenschaften der Aufklärung und der Naturwissenschaften rückgängig zu machen. In den Naturwissenschaften wie z.B. in Chemie und Physik sind überholte Vorstellungen aus der Alchemie oder das Perpetuum mobile längst passee aber nicht mehr in der Medizin. Hier ist das Mittelalter wieder eingezogen. Die Folgen reichen über das Gebiet der Medizin hinaus.

    Auf nach unseren heutigen Kenntnissen unzweifelhaft magischen Vorstellungen fußen die Homöopathie und viele andere Verfahren und Mittel der alternativen, komplementären und ganzheitlichen Medizin. Hier boomt moderne Pseudowissenschaft und mit ihr das Kauderwelsch aus verfälschten und verdrehten Begriffen, die aus Wissenschaft und Forschung zum „Eindruckschinden“ entlehnt werden. So wird eine Wirkung erklärt, die gar nicht vorhanden ist und puren magischen Phantasien wird ein moderner wissenschaftlich scheinender Hochglanz aufpoliert. Die Existenz von Feen, Elfen, Schutzengeln etc. erscheint vielen plausibel. Der Glaube an Symbolisches, wie die Erschaffung der Welt buchstäblich in 7 Tagen, erfreut sich steigender Beliebtheit. Das Markenzeichen und die Attraktivität von Scheinmedizin und Pseudowissenschaft ist, dass hier alles einfacher, verständlicher, biologischer und natürlicher ist. Um Anerkennung bemüht, wird jedoch Wissenschaftlichkeit und Bestätigung durch angeblich positive Studienergebnisse behauptet.

    Homöopathie verweigert sich allen gesicherten medizinischen Erkenntnissen

    Auch nach mehr als 200 Jahren existieren keinerlei einwandfreie und stichhaltige Beweise für eine spezifische Wirksamkeit. Sowohl die historischen Vorstellungen als auch die gegenwärtigen Erklärungen zur Wirkung der Homöopathie stehen in fundamentalen Widerspruch zu allen gesicherten naturwissenschaftlichen Erkenntnissen. Die Lehre des Herrn Hahnemann ist eine für die Medizin unfruchtbare Theorie, eine Irrlehre. Es gibt daher keinerlei Erkenntnisse, die mit Hilfe der Homöopathie gefunden wurden. Alles, was wir heute über „Leben“, „Gesundheit“ und „Krankheit“ im weitesten Sinne wissen, wurde mit Hilfe der Naturwissenschaften erforscht und aufgeklärt. Der Beitrag der Homöopathie zur Entwicklung der Medizin ist null.

    Das Credo der Homöopathie „similia similibus curentur“ („Ähnliches werde durch Ähnliches geheilt“) ist ganz in der Tradition der magischen Signaturenlehre. Nach dieser Signaturenlehre zeigt uns die Natur durch Ähnlichkeiten die z.B. heilende Wirkung einer Pflanze, eines Steines oder eines Tierorgans an. Dass hier die angesprochenen Ähnlichkeiten absolut willkürliche Annahmen aus menschlicher Sicht und menschlicher Erwartungen sind, bedarf hoffentlich keiner weiteren Erläuterung und liegt auf der Hand. Die Signaturenlehre ist nichts weiter als eine esoterische Pseudowissenschaft, die durch nichts belegt werden kann und allen Erkenntnissen widerspricht.

    Das homöopathische Potenzieren hat seinen Ursprung in der magischen alchemistischen Vorstellung, dass in den Ausgangsmaterialien ein geistartiges Wirkprinzip, eine Heilkraft ähnlich der immateriellen Lebenskraft , der „Vis vitalis“, existiert, die durch bestimmte Prozeduren wie etwa dem wiederholten Verdünnen mit nachfolgendem Schütteln herausgeholt werden kann und muss, um so in reiner immaterieller Form noch besser Heilung zu bewirken. All das ist, wie wir heute wissen, esoterischer vernunftferner Nonsens. Im Klartext: Es gibt keine kausale Wirksamkeit der Homöopathie. Alle Nachprüfungen ergeben immer wieder, dass es egal ist, welche Mittel welcher Hochpotenz gegen welche Krankheit auch immer wie oft eingenommen werden. Homöopathie wirkt nicht mehr und nicht weniger als ein Placebo. Und die Wirkung eines Placebos bzw. der Homöopathie beruht lediglich auf der Erwartungshaltung, dem Image und dem Brimborium rund um die Verschreibung. Es wirkt der persönliche Glaube an die Homöopathie, der durch die allgemein verbreitete Ansicht induziert wurde. Die Hoffnung auf Heilung war immer schon stärker als jede Vernunft und zu allen Zeiten daher eine hervorragende Geschäftsbasis für alle Ärzte und Wunderheiler, die in gutem ehrlichen Glauben einerseits selbst daran glaubten bis hin zu den Scharlatanen, denen bewusst war, dass ihre Therapie und ihre Mittel nicht wirken.

    Harmlose Homöopathie – gefährliche Magie?

    Entgegen landläufiger Meinung ist Homöopathie keine grundsätzlich harmlose medizinische Modeerscheinung. Homöopathie beruht auf veralteten, transrealen Vorstellungen, die religiösen Dogmen gleichen. Ihr die gleiche Kausalität, den gleichen Stellenwert wie den sonst gültigen medizinischen Erkenntnissen zuzuerkennen ist fatal über die Medizin hinaus.

    So birgt die Anwendung der Homöopathie mannigfache indirekte Gefahren. Der unbedingte vernunftferne Glaube an die nebenwirkungsfreie Wirkung der Homöopathie und die geschürte Angst vor konventioneller Medizin und Medikamenten, verführt oft genug, notwendige Behandlungen mit entsprechenden Folgen zu unterlassen. Die Angst vor konventioneller moderner Medizin wird subtil ausgenützt und ist ein wichtiger Faktor für die Scheinwirkung. Warum sollte man sich konventionell medizinisch behandeln lassen, wenn es doch eine angeblich bestens wirksame und sanfte Alternative gibt? Durch dieses irrationale Verhalten müssen immer wieder Kinder unnötigerweise Schmerzen und Leid erdulden. Sie können sich dagegen nicht wehren, und nicht selten kommt es zu bleibenden Schäden. Davon erfährt man nichts. In die Medien kommen nur diesbezügliche tödliche Zwischenfälle.

    Mütter wollen für ihre Kinder das Beste und viele greifen deshalb nach Homöopathika, weil es von überall her heißt, diese Mittel seien sanft und ohne Nebenwirkungen. So werden alle Wehwehchen und Krankheiten der Kinder mit Globuli behandelt. Das stört interessanterweise Homöopathieanhänger nicht, aber der konventionellen Medizin wird gerade von ihnen gerne der Vorwurf gemacht, sie behandle zu viel.

    Es ist unglaublich, was Mütter, die von der Homöopathie überzeugt sind, glauben behandeln zu müssen. Kinder haben offenbar wie Uhrwerke zu funktionieren und dem entsprechend wird der Tagesablauf mit der Einnahme von Globuli strukturiert. Sie sehen zur Freude der Homöopathieindustrie „Krankheiten“ und „Störungen“, die kein verantwortungsbewusster konventioneller Mediziner als behandlungswürdige Krankheit ansehen würde. Diese Behandlungssucht ist zwar gut gemeint, kommt aber einer Medikamentierwut gleich. Die Folge ist, dass die Kinder geradezu zum Pillenschlucken trainiert werden. Sie lernen, dass es nichts gibt, was einfach wieder vergeht und keiner besonderen Beachtung oder Behandlung bedarf. Die Wirksamkeit eines magischen Rituals wird sich und den Kindern antrainiert.

    Homöopathie ist ein Betrug an hilfesuchenden Patienten

    Die aber ohne jeden Zweifel auftretenden und beobachtbaren Wirkungen der Homöopathie vermag die moderne Medizin sehr wohl zu erklären. Es mögen hier die Stichworte Placebowirkung, Erwartungshaltung, Zufall, Selbstheilung, falsche Diagnosen und das Auf und Ab chronischer Erkrankungen genügen. Darüber gibt es mehr als genug Studien und Belege und es gibt darüber in seriösen Kreisen keine Diskussion. Diskussionen kommen durch die Verfechter der Homöopathie auf, die immer wieder Studien nach Wunschergebnissen abklopfen, die negativen Studien außer Acht lassen und ständig neue wissenschaftliche Studien trotz negativer Sachlage verlangen. Aber die Homöopathie ist nicht scientabel, wie im Buch die Homöopathie-Lüge (Christian Weymayr, Nicole Heißmann) ausgeführt wird. Homöopathie ist genauso unwissenschaftlich wie Handlesen und Kartenlegen und daher auch nicht naturwissenschaftlich beweisbar und erforschbar.

    Homöopathie wirkt nicht ursächlich kraft chemisch physikalischer Eigenschaften. Den Hochpotenzen kommt keine Wirkung zu. Es wirkt das heilige Hahnemannsche Brimborium, das die Homöopathen mit ihren Gläubigen zelebrieren. Wenn ein Medizinmann ein verrenktes Knie mit einem Affenknochen beschwört, gibt es auch nichts zu beforschen.

    An der Wirkungslosigkeit unter Berücksichtigung der Placebowirkung etc. ändert auch die gesetzliche Zulassung homöopathischer Behandlungen und Mittel nichts. Die Homöopathie ist per Gesetz davon befreit, ihre Wirksamkeit gleich anderen Medikamenten und Verfahren nachzuweisen. Im Weltbild der Homöopathie hat der Placeboeffekt logischerweise keinen Platz. Wenn die Homöopathie den Placeboeffekt in allen seinen Facetten anerkennt, dann widerlegt sie sich selbst.

    Homöopathie ist ein Verrat an den Grundlagen unserer aufgeklärten Zivilisation

    Mit der keineswegs mehr stillen Integration der Homöopathie in die moderne Medizin wird abergläubisches Gedankengut für durchaus real gehalten. Die Folgen gehen über den Bereich der Medizin hinaus. Die fundamentalen Gegensätze zwischen Naturwissenschaft und magisch-mystischen Annahmen bereiten kein Kopfzerbrechen mehr. Transreale Vorstellungen ziehen sogar in die Universitäten ein und geistern durch Medizin, Veterinärmedizin, Biologie, Bodenkultur und Pharmazie. Mittlerweile gibt es eine Studenteninitiative für Homöopathie auf der Medizin-Uni Wien. Ein Medizinprofessor in Graz richtete das Erdmagnetfeld mit Plastikchip schlaffördernd aus und im „Interuniversitären Kolleg für Graz / Schloss Seggau“ wurden unter Mitarbeit des Departments Pharmazie der Universität in Graz Kaulquappen homöopathisch kuriert. In Salzburg wird ein ganzes Landesspital durch eine an der Decke im Eingangsbereich montierte Aluminiumskulptur von allen erdachten Erdstrahlen geschützt. Ein Umweltmediziner fabriziert Studien über die krebsauslösende Wirkung von Handystrahlen. Pech war nur, dass die als ursächlich ausgeforschten Funkmasten nachweislich nie in Betrieb waren. Fazit der famosen Studie: Wenn aber gefunkt worden wäre, dann hätte es so sein müssen. In zahlreichen Spitälern fließt Granderwasser. Aber auch bei den Benediktinern in Admont fließt Granderwasser. Der Erfinder erklärte vor Gericht, dass ihm die Technik von Jesus im Traum vermittelt wurde. Der alpenländische Paradigmenwechsel „Vom Weihwasser zum Granderwasser“ lässt grüßen. Leider haben diese Sensationen das Nobelpreiskomitee noch nicht beeindruckt.

    Quer durch die Lande erfreuen sich Wunderwasserquellen steigender Beliebtheit. Wunderquellen werden wieder entdeckt. Kraftplätze werden ausgependelt. Straßenkreuzungen werden mit Energiesteinen entstört. Die Liste an Skurrilitäten und absurden Anwendungen ist unerschöpflich. In Traunstein im Freistaat Bayern sollte mit Billigung höchster staatlicher Stellen eine eigene Hochschule für die vernunftferne Homöopathie eingerichtet werden. Das begleitende Medienorchester ergeht sich in Beifallshymnen. Der Lehrbetrieb wurde nicht aufgenommen. Dies ist den kritischen Stimmen vor allem aus den Reihen der GWUP zu verdanken. Behördlicherseits war alles entsprechend vorbereitet und abgesegnet. Aber Deutschland wird seinem historischen Ruf gerecht, es immer besonders gründlich zu machen, sicher noch gerecht werden. Voraussetzung für solche Sensationen ist der Verlust kritischen Denkens gepaart mit der Salonfähigkeit transrealer und vernunftferner Phantasien. Man kann es sich aussuchen, ob überlegte Regie oder Tollheit diesen Hype vorantreiben.

    Homöopathie – eine moderne Gesundheitsreligion

    Die Homöopathie kann aber nur so lange wirken, als der Glaube daran verbreitet ist. Daher sind Werbung und Imagepflege für Homöopathie mehr als unbedingt notwendig. Homöopathie greift dazu geschickt verbreitete Vorurteile und Ängste auf und verspricht Erlösung von allen Übeln der Medizin, ja der Zivilisation überhaupt. Nur wer glaubt wird selig, pardon gesund! Zuerst wird das berühmte Bauchgefühl gegen konventionelle Medizin aktiviert und dann mit Homöopathie beruhigt. Nach wie vor zieht der Begriff Schulmedizin, der mit unpraktischer weltfremder Wissenschaft und kalter Technik assoziiert wird.

    Die Mantras der Homöopathiereligion, die unaufhörlich beschworen werden, sind die Begriffe „biologisch“ und „natürlich“ neben „sanft“ und „nebenwirkungsfrei“. Das positive Bild der Homöopathie wird nicht durch Tierversuche, Chemie und Technik beeinträchtigt. Selbstverständlich wird die Homöopathie im Gegensatz zu konventioneller Medizin und Pharmazie als humane „non-Profit-Medizin“ angesehen. Das alles ist selbstverständlich ganzheitlich. Aber ganzheitlich ist lediglich das Fehlen jeder Ratio in der Homöopathie

    Und weil es ein Glaube ist, wird das Marketing entsprechend gestaltet. Besonders Schwangere und Kinder betreuende Mütter zählen zur Zielgruppe und werden umworben. Für diese Zwecke ist ein Kindergarten ein besonders geeigneter Ort um Anhängerinnen zu rekrutieren. Die werdenden Mütter sind von vielen Sorgen und Ängsten erfüllt. Das sind genau die psychologischen Umstände, die notwendig sind, um den Glauben an die Wirksamkeit zu induzieren und Skepsis und Nachdenken für immer auszuschalten.

    In aller Regel kommen die Kinder heute gesund zur Welt und wachsen gesund heran. Trotzdem, Schwangerschaft und Geburt sind einschneidende und außergewöhnliche Ereignisse, die umfangreiche körperliche und seelische Belastungen nach sich ziehen können, auch dann wenn es nicht zu besonderen Komplikationen kommt. Dieser im Vergleich zu früheren Zeiten weitgehende „normale“ Verlauf wird aber nicht der modernen medizinischen Fürsorge (Schwangerenbetreuung, Geburtshilfe, Neonatologie, Kinderheilkunde etc.) zugeschrieben sondern der ebenfalls allgegenwärtigen begleitenden homöopathischen Betreuung. Logisch, dass unter diesen Umständen alles und auch die Magie des Hahnemann wirkt. Eine echte kausale objektive Wirksamkeit ist für die subjektive Heilungsempfindung nicht notwendig. Der Gedanke an Hahnemann genügt wie der heilende Blick von Braco.

    Gerade im Vorschulbereich können den Kindern Werte und Tugenden vermittelt werden. Auch Glauben wird den Kindern als Tugend vermittelt. Homöopathie wird in vielen Bildungseinrichtungen als eine bessere Medizin vermittelt. Ihre Anwendung ist grundsätzlich eine Tugend. Das ist der Anfang eines Glaubens, der dann an Hochschulen für Homöopathie seine Priester und Priesterinnen mit einem scheinintellektuellen akademischen Grad weiht.

    Politiker und Politikerinnen waschen sich in Unschuld

    Die Politiker und Politikerinnen halten sich zurück. Werden sie mit den magisch abstrusen Inhalten der Homöopathie konfrontiert, dann hüten sie sich wie auch die überwiegende Mehrheit der Journalisten und Journalistinnen vor einer klaren Stellungnahme. Eine Diskussion über die Inhalte und Vorstellungen der Homöopathie meiden sie wie der Teufel das Weihwasser. Nichts wäre gefährlicher und negativer für das politische Vorankommen als ein eindeutiges Engagement in einer Frage, die eigentlich nicht nur die Medizin betrifft sondern auch eine Weltanschauung berührt. Am einfachsten entgeht man diesem Dilemma, wenn man erklärt, dass man darüber nur eine persönliche Meinung hat, die selbstverständlich nicht relevant ist, weil sie persönlich ist. Dann kommt der eigentliche taktische Befreiungssprung. Man verweist auf die geltende Gesetzeslage. Die Konfrontation wird damit auf die „Beamtenschaft“, die für die Einhaltung der Gesetze zuständig ist, übertragen und schon haben sich Politiker und Politikerinnen ihrer Verantwortung entledigt und waschen ihre Hände in Unschuld wie einst Pontius Pilatus. Als Waschbecken dienen dann Paragraphen Gesetze, Vorschriften, Anweisungen und dergl. mehr in Bund und Ländern. Hier endet dann die Diskussion im Paragraphendschungel und im Wildwuchs der Zuständigkeiten. Selbstverständlich werden die Behörden bzw. die Beamten alles daran setzen nachzuweisen, dass alles paragraphengerecht und nur paragraphengerecht umgesetzt wird. Eine Diskussion über die Wirksamkeit der Homöopathie ist damit schon beendet, ehe diese begonnen hat. Es steht ja auch nichts drinnen in den Paragraphen über in Wissenschaft, Naturwissenschaft oder Medizin zulässige Inhalte oder Heillehren. Die Diskussion geht ins Leere und genau das wollen die Politiker und Politikerinnen. Sie wollen lediglich Mehrheiten erreichen. Zu viele Wähler und vor allem Wählerinnen schwören auf die Homöopathie und mit Wählerstimmen sollte man es sich nicht verscherzen. Ob die Homöopathie überhaupt wirkt, ist völlig nebensächlich. Angedacht und umgesetzt wird nur, was in der Wahlzelle wirkt.

    Das Schweigen der konventionellen Medizin

    Der Medizinethik fehlt der Begriff einer unwirksamen Therapie oder eines unwirksamen Mittels. Für Ärzte gilt die Therapiefreiheit. Sie dürfen, mit Einschränkungen natürlich, wenn Patienten dies ausdrücklich wünschen, auch mit erwiesen unwirksamen Methoden behandeln. Kein Wunder ist, dass unter solchen Bedingungen das Geschäft mit Wundermitteln blüht.

    Unübersehbar prangt – sprichwörtlich – in jeder zweiten Ordination das Schild „Homöopathie. Scharlatan kann aber nur sein, wer über keine Berufsberechtigung verfügt. In Deutschland ist das Spektrum der „Homöopathen“ durch die Heilpraktiker noch bunter.

    Kritische Stimmen aus dem niedergelassenen ärztlichen Bereich gibt es nur wenige. Lediglich aus dem Kreis der wissenschaftlich forschenden Medizin, von Pharmakologen, Biochemikern, Biologen etc. kommt fundierte Kritik ohne Wenn und Aber. Wenn medizinische Allgemeinplätze in die Medien kommen, dann sind sie mit Homöopathie garniert.

    Apotheke quo vadis?

    Noch trauriger sieht die Situation in den Apotheken aus. Wozu überhaupt noch ein Pharmaziestudium, das sich an Naturwissenschaft orientiert, gut ist, ist nicht mehr erkennbar. Wer sich heute in Apotheken umsieht, wird feststellen, dass ohne Homöopathie nichts mehr geht. Für die Wirkung – genauer die Placebowirkung – der Homöopathie ist die Apotheke von größter Bedeutung. Die noch wissenschaftlich ausgebildeten Apotheker und Apothekerinnen sind der sichtbare Beleg, dass bei der Homöopathie alles mit rechten Dingen zugeht. Es muss etwas dran sein, wenn in allen Apotheken Homöopathie angeboten wird und in einschlägigen Ratgeberpostillen der Gesundheits- u. Wellnessbranche die Homöopathie quasi als Erlösung von allem angepriesen wird. Aber damit sind die Möglichkeiten für Aberglauben in der Apotheke nicht erschöpft. Dr. Bachs Blütentropfen und Schüsslers Salze, ebenso vernunftfern wie Hasenpfoten, stören das Bild einer modernen rationalen Pharmazie nicht, um es einmal pointiert auszurücken. Wo sind die Zeiten, als über die Zulässigkeit von Kosmetik in Apotheken im sogenannten Nebensortiment debattiert wurde?

    Ergänzt wird dieses umfassende Marketing durch z.B. die Österreichische Apothekerkammer, wenn diese als Sponsor bei Homöopathieaktionen auftritt. Zahlreiche Ärzte erteilen „gute“ homöopathische Ratschläge in den Medien. Es ist naiv anzunehmen, dass hier nur Reklame für die eigene Ordination gemacht wird und hier gezieltes Sponsoring oder Entschädigung durch Homöopathieproduzenten keinen Platz hätten. Ärztliche Berufsvereinigungen bieten Diplome in Homöopathie an. Damit wird Seriosität und unabhängige Information vorgegaukelt. Dem ist aber nicht so.

    Alles zertifiziert!

    Berufsvereinigungen sind keine Einrichtungen für den Patientenschutz sondern Interessenvertretungen von Ärzten, Apothekern etc. Ein Zauberwort, mit dem das ahnungslose Publikum verschüttelt wird, lautet „zertifiziert“. Niemand ahnt, dass praktisch jeder noch so unsinnige Kurs und jede noch so abstruse Ausbildung und auch die vernunftferne Homöopathie zertifizierbar sind. Zertifizieren hat nichts mit den Inhalten und der Sinnhaftigkeit einer Ausbildung zu tun. Das Internet ist voll von zertifizierten Ausbildungen zertifizierter Institute und Akademien. Es gibt nichts an verqueren Methoden, Mitteln, Diagnosegeräten und auch Ausbildungen, die nicht zertifiziert werden können. Selbstverständlich ist die Herstellung von Globuli in allen Phasen bis ins Fläschchen zertifiziert. In Punkto Zertifizierung unterscheiden sich Apotheker, Homöopathieärzte, Astrologen und Energetiker nicht, sehr wohl aber vom schwarzafrikanischen Medizinmann. Seine Künste sind noch nicht zertifiziert. Das kann aber noch kommen. Angeblich wird jetzt den Chinesen von dt. Ärzten die TCM erklärt. Diese Magie wurde hierzulande „wissenschaftlich“ veredelt und wird nun reexportiert. Nach Indien ist Homöopathie seinerzeit jedenfalls sehr erfolgreich exportiert worden. Warum sollen dt. Universitäten Medizinmänner in Afrika nicht betreuen und deren Heilkunde zertifizieren?

    Vielleicht entsinnen wir uns wieder der traditionellen bayrisch-österreichischen Heilkost. Beuschel (Lungenhaschee) gegen Asthma, Hirn mit Ei gegen Lernschwäche, geselchtes Herz gegen Infarkt, Kalbszunge gegen Stottern und Stiergoggerl (Hoden) gegen Impotenz. Geräuchertes Kuheuter wird in der Steiermark als Osterspeise geweiht und gegessen. Schmeckt – ich verbürge mich dafür – wie feine Käswurst. Gemäß Symbolismus und altem Wissen könnte es durchaus auch den Milchfluss steigern. Vielleicht gibt es das alles demnächst in ihrer Apotheke auf Rezept als Instantsuppe mit ausgependelten Bachblüten gewürzt. Wenn es zu wenig wirkt, könnte als Ergänzung die Verordnung eines TCM- Mediziners bestehend aus gerösteten Regenwürmern in Schneckenschleim an Nashornraspel ganzheitlich weiterhelfen. Auch diese Mittel lassen sich zertifiziert wie auch Homöopathika herstellen.

  70. #70 kaitch
    the land downunder
    August 2, 2014

    It’s just absurd to suggest that if you’re bleeding, you should take something that makes you bleed as a cure. By that logic, we should start thrombolysing in haemorrhagic stroke. Except maybe the tPA isn’t strong enough because there’s not enough water added? Or something..?

  71. #71 Antaeus Feldspar
    August 2, 2014

    Just now, the Scienceblogs website has for some reason decided to fill in the Name field with “NZ Sceptic”, and not satisfied with that, has also filled in the Email field with NZ Sceptic’s e-mail address. What? I am not NZ Sceptic and I don’t really need to read his or her identification details.

    By coincidence, I was reading a programmer’s story recently of a bug that manifested in a fashion very similar to this: users getting presented with values that were relevant to what some other user was doing. The culprit was a variable that should have been declared local but, lacking the “var” keyword, it was instead declared global. What that means is that the server would make a note to itself during a transaction – “oh, this guy is User A, who wants to be notified if we have any news relevant to pork belly futures” – but it would be using THE SAME NOTE for every user who showed up, and frequently “remembering” data about one user when the transaction was actually with a different user. Might be a similar problem at work here.

  72. #72 Denice Walter
    August 2, 2014

    Although I am on my way out the door -

    earlier, I had no remembered name/email so I hit ‘d’ and *Voila* it worked
    BUT THEN I tried again and accidentally hit ‘a’
    and lo and behold it said- ( no joking- I wouldn’t joke about something like this) …….. ann dachel

    Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

  73. #73 Politicalguineapig
    August 2, 2014

    Marthw: One doctor in Italy prescribed alcohol to all his patients and didn’t lose a single one. Yet, somehow, doctors now don’t prefer to pickle their patients. And for Bog’s sake, get your cat a better owner.

    All: you guys should read the list of treatments for the 1919 flu sometimes. It ranges from the ineffective (homeopathy) to the usual anti-biotics, to garlic hung around the neck. Although on second thought, the garlic would keep people from getting infected, since no one would want to get close.

    And just because I’m morbidly curious, anyone got a translator for that verbal dirreahea the Dutch gentleman dropped on us?

  74. #74 Science Mom
    http://justthevax.blogspot.com/
    August 2, 2014

    …to the usual anti-biotics…

    No antibiotics then.

    And just because I’m morbidly curious, anyone got a translator for that verbal dirreahea the Dutch gentleman dropped on us?

    It’s German and you might want to get the gist of it before going off cocked again. It may be a tad logorrheic but it’s an anti-homeopathy rant.

  75. […] course, the lack of a cure or prevention for Ebola means the anti-science quack pushers are out in force. And that means […]

  76. #76 LW
    August 2, 2014

    I can’t read German, but I must say that I like this line:

    “Homöopathie – eine moderne Gesundheitsreligion”

  77. #77 Politicalguineapig
    August 2, 2014

    Science Mom: they were treating the flu as a bacterial disease, which is why I assumed it was treated with anti-bacterials. My bad. Also, my bad for the misunderstanding; I speak neither German or Dutch, though I can usually guess individual words.
    Dr. E Berndt: Million pardons.

  78. #78 Maggie
    United States
    August 2, 2014

    Actually, I have used homeopathy for flu and it works great. This is my personal experience. I went to a homeopath a couple of months ago because for 8 years I have had severe PTSD with nightmares and flashbacks due to multiple crimes and assault plus TBI. After years of torture and no luck from western med or therapy, the nightmares were totally gone within 2 weeks and flashback reduced 90% . I have been in hospital 3 times because they have been so severe. I will be going back to work on the next level of healing in a couple of months. My balance and pain from the TBI is better too. I used to walk into walls and many day refused to drive. There is still some pain and fatigue but I’m sticking with the process, cause for me getting rid of the flashbacks and nightmares is life changing and nothing else worked, except sometimes when it got super bad, if I went for acupuncture 5 days a week, there would be a reduction of symptoms for a few months, but never as complete a cure as what I am now experiencing.

  79. #79 Narad
    August 2, 2014

    Might be a similar problem at work here.

    It wasn’t called Must Call Somebody Else for no reason.

  80. #80 nagesh
    India
    August 2, 2014

    Homeopathy a classical method of treating illness of many kind. It is a desciplined study. People who have taken proper treatments under good homeopath knows the real value and power of this system. Erratic comments of some people without knowledge is unscientific. There is history of prevention in out breaks of epidemics.

  81. #81 nagesh
    india
    August 3, 2014

    Homeopathy born when other science branches yet to born. But even today most science branches are in its infancy stages. People generally having tendency to criticize all most unknown topics. All required to think how homeopathy is wonderfull in the process of cure. Truth can not be killed by any tactics. Find homeopathy in its real form when you are sick. Contribute positively in bringing out its real core. Let human kind benifit largely.

  82. #82 Chris
    August 3, 2014

    Politicalguineapig, try https://translate.google.com/ .

  83. #83 nagesh
    India
    August 3, 2014

    Homeopathy a classical method of treating illness of many kind. It is a desciplined study. People who have taken proper treatments under good homeopath knows the real value and power of this system. Erratic comments of some people without knowledge is unscientific. There is history of effecprevention in out breaks of epidemics.Threr is much need to understand and explore nature. It is a hidden tresure. Among one is homeopathy. A vast medical study of its own kind, heals most of disease process ,provides natural cure. Feel free, laeve prejudice alone, experiance homeopathic treatment with a good homeopath, then only comment.

  84. #84 herr doktor bimler
    August 3, 2014

    I speak neither German or Dutch

    To be fair, it is only through accident of history that the Dutch are deemed to be speaking a separate language, while the extraordinary noises they make down in Swabia are considered to be a dialect of German.

  85. […] Continue reading here: Homeopaths vs. Ebola virus hemorrhagic fever – Respectful Insolence […]

  86. #86 Renate
    The Netherlands
    August 3, 2014

    Well, the idea that Dutch is just a German dialect, seems to be quite wrong, as is demonstrated by the lousy German language-skills of most Dutch.people. They often think it’s just a dialect and fail to speak the language.
    Some words might look, or sound a bit simular, but they have a different meaning.
    The long winded piece of our German doctor, was quite interesting.

  87. #87 lilady
    August 3, 2014

    I still don’t “get it”. If Dr. E. Berndt read Orac’s post and saw all the replies are in English, why did he post his comment in German?

    Most Germans I know and I have met in Germany are quite fluent in English.

  88. #88 Renate
    August 3, 2014

    @lilady,
    I suppose Dr. E. Berndt just copied something that was already written for another website, or a magazine. Instead of going through the whole proces of translating the full article, he decided to put it here untranslated, which might not be the correct way to do. The article is a bit to long for me to translate, besides, I’m not a doctor, nor is German or English my mothertongue.

  89. #89 Krebiozen
    August 3, 2014

    Renate,

    Some words might look, or sound a bit simular, but they have a different meaning.

    Numbers are very similar, but with significant differences. I still remember the look I got in a bar in Amsterdam when I accidentally ordered “zwei bieren” (German) instead of “twee bieren” (Dutch). I didn’t make that mistake again.

  90. #90 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 3, 2014

    Nagesh,

    Homeopathy was developed in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann. It is based on the concept that “like cures like” – if a concentrated substance causes a symptom in a healthy person, a diluted form of that same substance will be an effective treatment for that symptom in a sick person. It further believes that the more dilute the solution the stronger a treatment it is. It further believes that shaking the solution a special way where it smacks against an elastic substance helps make the solution effective.

    Due to the nature of the dilution process and fundamentals of matter, any remedy marked 12C or higher is very likely to have none of the original active substance left and will only contain water or alcohol, plus any impurities introduced from the sides of the vessels used to create the solutions or acquired by exposure to the environment. As such, there is no plausible explanation for why it should have any significant clinical effect. There are no high quality studies that show a significant clinical benefit to homeopathic remedies, particularly for diseases that are not self-limiting.

    Since multiple substances can cause a symptom in a healthy person (say, a runny nose), a practitioner is left to choose which is likely to be most effective in a particular case based on criteria which seem arbitrary.

    If you are aware of good, double blinded, repeatable studies that show that homeopathic remedies beyond 12C dilution are good for anything, please share. Likewise, if you have any significant evidence to support the underlying principles of homeopathy, please share.

  91. #91 Chris
    August 3, 2014

    Nagesh: “Erratic comments of some people without knowledge is unscientific.”

    Ironic comment from someone who just used “argument from blatant assertion.”

    If you want us to believe that homeopathy is scientific, you need to bring in some actual scientific evidence that it works for a non-self-limiting disease like syphilis or rabies.

  92. #92 Dorit Reiss
    August 3, 2014

    Orac’s old friend Sayer Ji elaborates on other natural cures for ebola: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/natural-treatments-ebola-virus-exist-research-suggests.

  93. #93 Denice Walter
    August 3, 2014

    @ Dorit Reiss:

    Interestingly enough, Sayer Ji is now also listed as a contributor to Fearless Parent. There’s also something about a ‘venture’ with them and/or Louise Kuo Habakus.

  94. #94 Dr.E. Berndt
    Attersee
    August 3, 2014

    Homöopathy is only one from many other superstitious and Magic methods and remedies for instance.
    Becaues it is a belief it is impossible to find a striking scientific Argument against it.
    For more than 2000 years bloodletting and the use of mummies were good working procederes.
    Nobody was forcerd to bloodletting or to use mummiepowder, but many many People spend a lot of money for that hokuspokus.
    In former tomes People have been cured by touching holy bones in churches e.g.and now they are sufficient treated by succkling Little sugar balls. Of coure the Story now for that Kind of hokuspokus has been modernizes. Religious and magic explanatiions are translated in pseusoscientific phrases like quantumhealing or informationmedicin, which sounds noe a days more common.

  95. #95 Julian Frost
    Gauteng East Rand
    August 3, 2014

    I was at my parents for Sunday lunch (I brought the meat) and they were watching Sky News. At one point they had an item about a doctor going off pop at “Big Pharma” for not making an Ebola vaccine.

  96. #96 squirrelelite
    August 3, 2014

    Here is Sayer Ji’s link on the soy isoflavones to help protect against viruses.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19596314

    The abstract doesn’t give any specific numbers or mention hamsters (at least not specifically) and concludes:

    Despite promising in vitro results, there is lack of data confirming the in vivo efficacy of soy isoflavones. Thus, investigations using appropriate in vivo virus infectivity models to examine pharmacological and especially physiological doses of flavonoids are warranted.

    And, genistein and tyrphostin are being investigated as antiviral drugs, so something may yet come of that. But, since they’re still just doing in vitro studies, any useful results are far in the future. And you’re unlikely to protect yourself from any bad virus just by eating lots of soybeans.

    And, of course, Sayer Ji can’t resist jumping off the deep end (or, since he’s already in, just swimming further out) by saying ebola is like scurvy so vitamin C should help. And, oh by the way, don’t forget your homeopathic spider venom.

  97. #97 Dr. E. Berndt
    Attersee
    August 3, 2014

    @lilady
    It is a difference to read or to write in english.
    Be sure, that my post is not easy to translate. The meanings and the associations are quite complicated .
    Even it is more easy to write something directly in english but then it tends to be too simple.
    I hope there are some peaple who are able to read it. If You have questions, let me know.

  98. #98 lilady
    August 3, 2014

    @ Dr. E. Berndt: Thank you for your excellent (second) post. Too bad that I don’t speak or understand German, to appreciate your first post.

    Orac and other commenters here have stated that when they talk about homeopathy with colleagues, some of those colleagues have confused homeopaths with naturopaths. When it is explained to those colleagues that there is none of the original substance remaining in a homeopathy “medicine” after 30 c dilutions, they then realize it is plain water. Water does not have “memory” and like does not cure like. :-)

  99. #99 Narad
    August 3, 2014

    And you’re unlikely to protect yourself from any bad virus just by eating lots of soybeans.

    This was even worse than the time I tried hanging sausage to dry on the porch and it beamed a message to every wasp in the vicinity.

    P.S. Autofill’s still broken. Is it really that difficult to fix a cookie?

  100. #100 Narad
    August 3, 2014

    ^ There are actually two links, etc.

  101. #101 squirrelelite
    August 3, 2014

    @Narad,

    I haven’t tried a soy sausage, but I found a fairly decent recipe for vegetarian burgers using mashed black beans and quinoa with some flour to make it about the right texture. It didn’t taste much like beef, but with enough seasoning it tasted fairly good and had the right texture for hamburgers. My son ate four of them!

    I see William S Burroughs was in the movie for your second link.

  102. #102 Lurker
    August 4, 2014

    Why hasn’t Doctors Without Borders sued the hell out of ‘Homeopaths Without Borders’? If ever there was a case of trademark infringement just begging, pleading, and dying for a lawsuit, that is definitely the one.

    Mephistopheles O’Brien @ 90: Exactly the right approach to take. Describe what it is, how it’s supposed to work, why it doesn’t, and then ask for peer-reviewed papers if any. IMHO that works much better than telling believers in homeoquacky that they’re delusional.

    Somehow it doesn’t surprise me that a bunch of crass arses are seeking to profiteer on the Ebola outbreak. The only thing missing is email from a Nigerian prince seeking to get out of Nigeria to escape the outbreak, if only someone would help him get his money out with him.

  103. #103 Iqbal
    India
    August 4, 2014

    For skeptics of homeopathy, please read:

    http://www.homeopathyforflu.com/dewey.pdf

    This happened just a 100 years ago. Then also, the science based medicine was killing people.

  104. #104 Rogue Medic
    http://roguemedic.com/
    August 4, 2014

    “such homeopathic remedies are unlikely to contain a single molecule of the original substance, other than perhaps contamination carried over from one dilution to the next.”

    This could be a new sales pitch for them.

    Homeopathy – more contaminant than “active” ingredient.

    Or is it “anti-active” ingredient, or non-ingredient, or . . . ?

    .

  105. […] As for Minkoff, I think Ed nails it when he tells Minkoff that if he thinks vaccinations don’t work and cause all sorts of horrible things he’s just wrong. Of course, I rather suspect that Minkoff is one of those conservative/libertarian types who is in favor of “health freedom” and is prone to antivaccine views because he hates the idea of the big evil government telling him what to do more than anything else, regardless of the effect on other people. Either way, his attempt to attack CFI is breathtakingly dumb. As one of Ed’s commenters wondered, would Minkoff complain if people with Ebola virus disease were forced to be quarantined, or would he be fine with them living next door and using homeopathy to treat their disease? […]

  106. #106 Rich Scopie
    August 4, 2014

    @Narad – 34:

    Surely; “Something something oranges something” ?
    :-)

  107. #107 Shay
    August 4, 2014

    @Lurker: there’s a group calling themselves Acupuncturists without Borders, too.

    (I can’t imagine anything more useless in a war-torn, drought-stricken country with an epidemic raging than someone showing up to align my qi).

  108. #108 Johnny
    127.0.0.1
    August 4, 2014

    For skeptics of homeopathy, please read:
    (link removed)

    On the front page of that site, I read…

    The authors of [this site] namely: Jacob Mirman MD, Sally Tamplin, Sujata Owens,Sarah Weiss and members of The Minnesota Homeopathic Association do not claim that homeopathic remedies can cure influenza…

    If they don’t believe they can cure the flu, why should any of us believe they can?

  109. #109 JGC
    August 4, 2014

    Off the top of my head (and before I read further for hints)
    :
    Sectumsempra: Potter (a curse)
    Riddikulus: Potter (repels boggarts)
    Wingardium Leviosa: Potter (levitates objects)
    Lumos Maxima: Potter (summons light)
    Specialis Revelio: Potter (reveals enchantment)
    Protego Maxima: Potter (protection spell)
    Expelliarmus: Potter (disarms)
    Locomotor Mortis: Potter (paralysis curse) (poor Neville)

    (Although Croatus Horribilis does sound like something a Parseltongue would throw at you, he’d probably be carrying a live one in his pocket.)

  110. #110 JGC
    August 4, 2014

    nagesh, Iqbal: I invite you to support your claim that homeopathy actually represents an effective medical intervention.

    Please provide a citation for what you would consider the single most compelling piece of evidence (preferably in the form of a ciation to an appropriately designed and controlled study published in a reputable first or second tier peer-reviewed journal) demonstrating homeopathy is effective at treating a non self-limiting injury or illness.

    I mean, you do have actual evidence in support fo your claims, right? Not just collections of anecdotes, or “post hoc ergo procter hoc” handwaving after a self-limiting illness has run its course?

  111. #111 Politicalguineapig
    August 4, 2014

    Iqbal: 100 years ago, there were no effective remedies for flu. Did you note my post above about the Italian doctor who prescribed wine for all his patients?

  112. #112 Chris
    August 4, 2014

    Iqbal: “This happened just a 100 years ago. Then also, the science based medicine was killing people.”

    So how much in the last hundred years has homeopathy progressed with type 1 diabetes, bacterial infections like syphilis, and preventing diseases like rabies, measles, etc? How well did homeopathy fare after the 1910 Flexner Report?

    Be specific, with actual documentation.

  113. #113 Narad
    August 4, 2014

    I haven’t tried a soy sausage, but I found a fairly decent recipe for vegetarian burgers using mashed black beans and quinoa with some flour to make it about the right texture.

    I was really just singling out Brother Ron’s; the cooking of soybeans is something that should be limited to industrial settings as far as I’m concerned.

    But there are plenty of good recipes for veggie burgers. If I’m going to be mashing beans and forming them into patties, though, my inclination is to go straight for falafel.

  114. #114 Julianne Igel
    United States
    August 4, 2014

    The ignorance displayed in this thread is more frightening to me than Ebola!

  115. #115 Science Mom
    http://justthevax.blogspot.com/
    August 4, 2014

    The ignorance displayed in this thread is more frightening to me than Ebola!

    By all means please enlighten us oh certified homeopath

  116. #116 herr doktor bimler
    August 4, 2014

    In the event of actual snake-bite, the consensus among homeopaths seem to be that you don’t arse around with Crotalus horridus or Lachesis mutus or Bothrops… you get the appropriate antivenom, FAST, because it’s IMPORTANT.

  117. #117 NMX
    Minnesota
    August 4, 2014

    You are a complete and utter moron that knows nothing about homeopathy and the miracles it can perform… Anyone that had a clue about what its capabable of wouldn’t be so inane when discussing it… I’m sick of Big Pharma hacks (that are killing people daily with their dispicable drugs daily) always chiming in about homeopathy…. I’ll bet homeopathy could cure ebola better than pharmaceuticals… My daughter had whooping cough and the only thing that could get rid of the lingering effects of it was homeopathy… the doctors had nothing for her. I’ve seen homeopathy do miracles and that’s better than any clinical trial…performed by self-serving Big Pharma companies….

  118. #118 Johnny
    127.0.0.1
    August 4, 2014

    I note that Ms. Igel has a slightly different Quack Miranda Warning.

    Disclaimer: This website is for educational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional medical advice, and none of the claims appearing on this newsletter should be taken as suggesting that homeopathy or any other therapeutic system treats or cures any disease. None of the information on this newsletter should therefore ever be interpreted as a recommendation to treat any particular disease or health ?related condition, and you should always consult your medical professional (M.D.) about any health related concerns you might have. For severe or life-threatening conditions, please contact your physician or local emergency room.

    Shorter version -
    Homeopathy is just water, it won’t cure anything, so if you’re sick, see a real doctor. But buy my stuff anyway, please.

  119. #119 Bob G
    Los Angeles
    August 4, 2014

    Maybe it’s time to start asking the supporters of homeopathy to defend the assertion that like cures like. It’s such a flagrantly idiotic idea, at least as a generalization, that it should be hard to defend. What is the cure for trauma from an automobile accident? A burn? Poisoning? Apparently only human ailments of unknown cause (prior to the year 1800, remember) are subject to this rule.

    We might also remind people that the fundamentals of organic chemistry didn’t even begin to emerge until the early 1800s, and the core finding of tetravalent carbon and its ability to link up with other carbons is from the late 1850s (just looked it up on Wikipedia).

    And no, I don’t actually expect people who have a strong vested interest in homeopathy to give it up just because we reason with them. On the other hand, reminding people who got through high school chemistry that homeopathy denies not just Avogadro’s number, but every other part of chemistry may catch a few of the otherwise uninterested. Then we should start pointing out the importance of high school chemistry to the politicians who feel some need to defend alternative medicine.

    By the way, there is an emerging story about how the two Americans were treated with a monoclonal antibody cocktail that has only been tried in animal studies previously. According to the story (you can find it on CNN online), it worked pretty well to get the two patients less sick, and capable of being transported. The monoclonal antibody (previously called the hybridoma) was only invented in the 1970s, so this suggests how far we have come in short order.

  120. #120 Pareidolius
    August 5, 2014

    Julianne Igel is primarily an interior designer. Yes, an interior designer who “liked the idea of mind/body medicine” so much that now she dabbles in hawking magic water. She has a plan to . . . wait for it . . . combine the two practices. I shit you not. If she didn’t exist, I’d have to make her up.

  121. #121 novalox
    August 5, 2014

    @nmx

    [citation needed] for your assertions, or we can assume that you are pulling stuff out of thin air, like the usual trolls.

  122. #122 Andreas Johansson
    August 5, 2014

    Regarding the “laws” of homeopathy, I dunno if it’s a trend, but I’ve come across a number of people lately using “homeopathy” in a very wide sense. Frex, from the WP page on theriac:

    Norman Cantor observes[8] that the remedy was homeopathic in its supposed effect, following the principle of “the hair of the dog,” in which a concoction containing some of the poisonous (it was thought) flesh of the serpent would be a sovereign remedy against the creature’s venom

    Note that there’s no Hahnemannian dilution here.

    Maybe the word’s evolving to mean nothing more than “quack remedy”.

  123. #123 Narad
    August 5, 2014

    You are a complete and utter moron that knows nothing about homeopathy and the miracles it can perform… Anyone that had a clue about what its capabable [sic] of wouldn’t be so inane when discussing it…[.] I’ve seen homeopathy do miracles and that’s better than any clinical trial…

    “Miracles” aren’t within the general scope of clinical trials, as I understand them. Could you constrain the general landscape? For example, could a homeopathic nostrum (if misused) in a sufficient dilution cause or allow me to levitate? If not, then why?

  124. #124 Narad
    August 5, 2014

    ^ One might also note that one term dominates the signal in a naive comparison. Let’s zoom in.

    One can clearly see that levitation has been of much greater general interest during the 20th century than has homeopathy, aside from the final decade. I should think that there must be some specific, perhaps theoretical, response to this disparity.

    Think carefully.

  125. #125 Narad
    August 5, 2014

    In fact, if one takes an even longer view, it seems clear that (1) homeopathy, like gold, runs in boom-and-bust cycles and (2) levitation has been a more steady investment over time.

    So, NMX, do you have a financial investment in this racket? Have you shorted homeopathy on the futures market?

  126. #126 Jan
    South Africa
    August 5, 2014

    Just read through the article above and all the comments..it is interesting that not one of these clever guru’s on Ebola is in Africa…its like the best players sit on the side line. To come back to the article about the 6 eyed crab spider. It causes the same symptoms as the bite of a Boom”tree” snake in South Africa. I have been maintaining that there is a similarity between the bite of the spider and the snake and the Ebola virus ….the bleeding. Therefor if there is any treatment that can stop the bleeding it should be tried. To close….look at the anti-venom of the snake and the spider and maybe just maybe….a treatment can be found to stop the bleeding. The other symptoms can be treated in the conventional way.

  127. #127 Jan
    South Africa
    August 5, 2014

    If there is any homeopathic company that is willing to sponsor me I will travel to one of the countries where there is Ebola to administer the medicine and monitor progress. Somehow my gut feeling tells me there is method in what they say. behrjan@gmail.com

  128. #128 herr doktor bimler
    August 5, 2014

    Levity is just gravity in a homeopathic dose,

  129. #129 Brook
    August 5, 2014

    Julian Frost – thank you so much for the path to the things anti-vaxxers say. sums up homeopathy quite nicely.

  130. #130 Brook
    August 5, 2014

    link botch. obviously my coffee isn’t weak enough.

  131. #132 Helianthus
    August 5, 2014

    @Jan

    I have been maintaining that there is a similarity between the bite of the spider and the snake and the Ebola virus ….the bleeding.

    There is a similarity between wood and witches. They both float on water. What else floats on water?

    Therefor if there is any treatment that can stop the bleeding it should be tried.

    Sure, if there is some rational for it.
    “This stuff causes bleeding, so we should try it to stop bleeding” isn’t rational.

  132. #134 herr doktor bimler
    August 5, 2014

    To close….look at the anti-venom of the snake and the spider and maybe just maybe….a treatment can be found to stop the bleeding.

    Seems to me that blood has two natural states: (1) clotting, and (2) bleeding out. So our bodies have all sorts of systems to maintain a balance between these two extremes. Lots of things can go wrong with these systems, and many different conditions can cause bleeding in different ways.

  133. #135 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 5, 2014

    NMX

    I’ll bet homeopathy could cure ebola better than pharmaceuticals

    Before accepting your wager, what are your terms and what are the stakes? For terms,
    - what are you classifying as homeopathy and pharmaceuticals for the purposes of this wager?
    - how will we determine what constitutes a cure?
    - how will we determine which produces a better cure?

    Always up for a wager,
    Mephistopheles O’Brien

  134. #136 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 5, 2014

    Julianne Igel

    The ignorance displayed in this thread is more frightening to me than Ebola!

    Please, do go on and try to be specific. What statements are ignorant? In what ways are they ignorant? What are the corrections you would make?

  135. #137 Adam
    August 5, 2014

    I think we should be sending as many homeopaths, chiropractors and other quacks to treat an ebola outbreak as we can fit into a plane. It’s their time to shine.

  136. #138 Karl Withakay
    August 5, 2014

    HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES
    Crotalus horridus
    Bothrops
    Lachesis mutus
    Mercurius corrosivu
    Secale cornutum
    Anthracinum
    Arsenicum album
    Variolinum
    Malandrinum
    Thuja
    Baptisia
    Pestinum
    HARRY POTTER SPELLS
    Wingardium Leviosa
    Verdimillious Duo
    Specialis Revelio
    Sectumsempra
    Riddikulus
    Protego Maxima
    Orchideous
    Lumos Maxima
    Locomotor Mortis
    Expelliarmus

    How did you do?

  137. #139 Jenora Feuer
    The wilds of T'ronna
    August 5, 2014

    I can’t read German, but I must say that I like this line:

    “Homöopathie – eine moderne Gesundheitsreligion”

    Well, I do speak a few words of German: ‘gesund’ is ‘healthy’ in German, and ‘-heit’ is a suffix to convert adjectives to nouns describing a state of being, much like the English ‘-ness’. So ‘gesundheit’ just means ‘healthiness’. It’s a wish for good health after a sneeze.

    So ‘Gesundheitsreligion’ is basically a religion of healthiness… though using ‘wellness’ would probably get more of the implications across in English for this line.

    And ‘glaubenslehre’ in the title… glaubens is ‘faith’, lehre is ‘teaching’, so glaubenslehre is doctrine or dogma. Yeah… we’re seeing some of that belief system from the homeopathy supporters here.

  138. #140 Orky
    August 6, 2014

    Ebola can apparenlty be cured by nano silver. I dont think so.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7wNfRCuOZE

  139. […] have claimed that homeopathy can be used to treat Ebola, but there is no scientific evidence to support such a claim. This still applies if you replace […]

  140. #142 Cancerkiller
    August 8, 2014

    Relax, everybody and rest assured – once you start doing the Personal Virus and Cancer Killer, you will not give a damn what sort of viruses stalk out there – Ebola, West Nile, HIV-AIDS, etc. I got a deadly weapon against the deadliest type of Ebola Virus. Ebola Virus Disease is not a problem at all and can be erased from the face of the Earth along with any diseases, known on the planet once and for all – everybody can be his own Jesus – by doing the Personal Virus an Cancer Killer – those infected will be cured and will join all the rest in staying absolutely healthy all the time – by doing just an exercise for a minute a day for prevention and for 3 minutes a day for the cure – any infections [Ebola, West Nile (even if one is bitten by hundreds of mosquitoes), Colds, Flues, HIV-AIDS, HPV, H(B)CV, TB, Malaria, Yellow Fever, etc.] are cured for max. 7 days and any cancers (Leukemia, Breast, Cervical, Ovarian, Bone, Brain, etc), Diabetes and Strokes – for max.30 days – no metastases or recurrences of any cancers are at all possible – the Virus/Cancer Killer is their devastating destroyer. Even bio-terrorism is much too weak against everybody (kids and adults) doing the Virus/Cancer Killer – any bio-terrorist bugs are killed the moment they touch us.
    I leave to everybody to estimate how much the greatest discovery in more than 2 million years of humankind on the planet should be paid for. Then I will disclose the Personal Virus/Cancer Killer to everybody on Earth. That will keep all the people absolutely healthy all the time, all their lives – never getting sick of any diseases even for a second.

  141. #143 Lawrence
    August 8, 2014

    @cancerkiller – I will give you two dollars….now reveal your secret….

  142. #144 Greg
    California...
    August 8, 2014

    I am so glad that you hate homeopathy.. I feel this is a form of natural selection.. The really stupid people will die off, from things like ebola, while those who use it, will survive… It worked during all previous epidemics in the USA IF YOU ACTUALLY DID ANY RESEARCH.. But that is against the credo of bigots and arrogant people not interesting in either science or truth, only in ego boosting…

  143. #145 Greg
    California...
    August 8, 2014

    I am so glad that you hate homeopathy.. I feel this is a form of natural selection.. The really stupid people will die off, from things like ebola, while those who use it, will survive… It worked during all previous epidemics in the USA IF YOU ACTUALLY DID ANY RESEARCH.. But that is against the credo of bigots and arrogant people not interesting in either science or truth, only in ego boosting…

  144. #146 LW
    August 8, 2014

    That’s good, Greg. You use homeopathy for anything that ails you. Never ever darken the doorstep of an allopath. Show us all the error of our ways.

  145. #147 Gray Falcon
    August 8, 2014

    It’s worth remembering that the reason homeopathy seemed like a miracle cure in the 19th century is simply because pre-scientific medicine was actually worse than doing nothing.

  146. #148 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 8, 2014

    Cancerkiller – to paraphrase Johnny Cash, I want my own personal Virus and Cancer Killer. Please don’t tell me it’s a bullet, because everyone knows that a bullet will kill cancer cells in vitro.

  147. #149 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 8, 2014

    Greg,

    I am so glad that you hate homeopathy.

    I don’t hate homeopathy, I just think it’s based on nonsensical principles, not demonstrated to work, and an utter fraud. Other than that, it’s OK. If you’ve got evidence to support the underlying principles of homeopathy, please share.

  148. #150 Politicalguineapig
    August 8, 2014

    Is this the same troll we had before?

  149. #151 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 8, 2014

    PGP – I have to believe it’s a different Greg.

  150. #152 Denice Walter
    August 8, 2014

    That would make number 3:
    - the chiropractor, natural hygiene advocate Greg Fitz—–
    ( a/k/a Emily , Peg) from Oz
    - Gergles ( banned)
    - le Nouveau

  151. #154 herr doktor bimler
    August 9, 2014

    The copy-paste spam from “Cancerkiller” is elsewhere credited to “Kevin Worldsaviour” who is totally not a crank or a grifter.

  152. #155 Narad
    August 9, 2014

    I leave to everybody to estimate how much the greatest discovery in more than 2 million years of humankind on the planet should be paid for.

    Is this a markdown from the previous asking price of $2.25 trillion?

  153. #156 Narad
    August 9, 2014

    BTW, once the SB tech monkeys are done not fixing the credentials issue, maybe somebody could remind them not fix the part where “comments on this article are closed” instead barfs up the “this site is currently under maintenance” message.

  154. #157 Narad
    August 9, 2014

    ^ “not to fix”

  155. #158 Narad
    August 9, 2014

    The price seems to be in the tank:

    The price of the Cancer Killer for the whole world is $9 Billion. I accept checks of $5 Million to disclose it personally….

  156. #159 Politicalguineapig
    August 9, 2014

    DW:4, actually. We did have one that wasn’t a troll.

    Narad: Cancerkiller sort of comes off like a supervillian. Or is it just me?

  157. #160 Julian Frost
    Gauteng East Rand
    August 9, 2014

    PGP, Cancerkiller comes off to me as a Poe. However, I’ve been wrong before.

  158. #161 Denice Walter
    August 9, 2014

    @ PGP:

    I didn’t count the other new one because he wasn’t a troll.

    At any rate, today is Saturday and I generally rejoice because I have something interesting to do that involves day trips, art, cuisine, conversation, alcohol etc.
    BUT being aware of my duties to sceptic-kind, I first do my rounds and report on what seems worst:
    today, Dan O. announces that he, being un-impressed with our own Prof Reiss’ explanation of association by temporal contiguity, is personally seeking stories by parents ( and others) who observed vaccine injury and regression themselves. They will be interrogated by this canny journalist and will not remain anonymous. All of this will be publicly available via AoA. So the world can see.

    Like Kennedy, he doesn’t get the obvious: sample size is important, observers can be biased, large numbers tell you incredible things, statistical analysis is not the enemy, tarting up old ideas doesn’t make them any more attractive, eyewitnesses mis-remember, gossip is an unlikely source of scientific advance… I could go on but won’t.

    Also, it appears that TMR is undergoing an overhaul of sorts wherein most of the tales of w… I mean *posts* are by the new set of TMs, although today’s is by a veteran.

  159. #162 Dangerous Bacon
    August 9, 2014

    “Even bio-terrorism is much too weak against everybody (kids and adults) doing the Virus/Cancer Killer”

    Sounds like a dance step. Could the “Virus/Cancer Killer” be a modern variant of the dancing mania of the Middle Ages?

  160. #163 Brook
    August 9, 2014

    Sounds more like the time warp to me. But it’s got to include a step that’s like squishing a bug on the sidewalk

  161. #164 Narad
    August 9, 2014

    today, Dan O. announces that he, being un-impressed with our own Prof Reiss’ explanation of association by temporal contiguity, is personally seeking stories by parents ( and others) who observed vaccine injury and regression themselves.

    The strange part is that he seems to think this is a novel approach.

  162. #165 ann
    August 9, 2014

    everybody can be his own Jesus

    I’m curious to know what this means. (“Everybody can suffer and die for his own sins”? “Everybody can ascend bodily to heaven”? “Everybody can predict his own betrayal”? What?)

  163. #166 LW
    August 9, 2014

    Everybody can consider himself to be perfect and without sin.

  164. #167 Brook
    August 9, 2014

    @ann 165 – or maybe the set up for a Jewish mother joke.

  165. #168 Bucktooth
    August 9, 2014

    Lollll! So hilarious how most people believe in ONLY mainstream medicine, which kills thousands of people everyday through symptom only treatment with surgery/drugs! The woman who made a Harry Potter game out of remedies is poor! If anyone took the time to research what’s in your food, water, drugs..you would be a lot better off than chuckling about
    something that’s been around fot 180 years!
    The hemorrhagic Ebola virus was invented and there is already a vaccine for it! If you contract the virus, will you get vaccine, which you don’t know what’s in that injection, or will people find out how to prevent themselves from contracting the virus! I’m not laughing..I know what to do next!
    ..

  166. #169 Politicalguineapig
    August 9, 2014

    Bucktooth: How do you know LW’s gender and financial status? For that matter, why would you assume Karl Withakay is actually a woman?

    Never mind, you’re a conspiracy theorist.

  167. #170 ann
    August 10, 2014

    Lollll! So hilarious how most people believe in ONLY mainstream medicine, which kills thousands of people everyday through symptom only treatment with surgery/drugs!

    I have to say that whenever I find myself noticing how most people believe exclusively in some thing or other that kills thousands of them every day, I don’t find it hilarious.

    Takes all kinds, though.

  168. #171 ann
    August 10, 2014

    @LW –

    Isn’t perfect sinlessness already the natural state to which everybody — or everybody Christian, at least — can consider him- or herself born, though?

    I thought you got that one for letting Jesus be your own Jesus. (Buncha heretics on this here internet.) But maybe I’m confused..

    .

  169. #172 Chemmomo
    Not in the mood for theology, but. . .
    August 10, 2014

    ann @171 No:
    Original Sin isn’t just an INXS song title.

  170. #173 ann
    August 10, 2014

    Certainly.

    Wasn’t that redeemed?

  171. #174 Chemmomo
    sticking to nutshells
    August 10, 2014

    ann 173: Infant baptism.

  172. #175 Narad
    August 10, 2014
    everybody can be his own Jesus

    I’m curious to know what this means.

    It struck me as insipidly obvious from a Madhyamaka standpoint, but I suppose immanent is better than transcendent if you’re going to half-ass it.

    Except that this guy is likely genuinely mentally ill.

  173. #176 Renate
    August 10, 2014

    Next to the homeopaths, some other quack salesman seem to get their share of attention, like collodial silver
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7wNfRCuOZE
    And in the reactions someone mentions several other quackeries. They never seem to die, or to be replaced with something better.
    And of course MMS:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5yhoPs8p58
    This one is in German, I think. Haven’t watched it. Comments are disabled. I suppose they guy doesn’t like critism.

  174. #177 Helianthus
    August 10, 2014

    An usual alt-med canard from Bucktooth:

    through symptom only treatment

    This is a very strange criticism to aim at mainstream medicine if you are going to be touting homeopathy as an alternative.
    Isn’t homeopathy based on treating symptoms by a strong dilution of something giving similar symptoms, according to the “like cure like” rule?

    Also, there are plenty of cases where treating the symptoms is a very efficient approach: the human body has some great self-healing capabilities, it just need time to do it. Alleviating symptoms reduces the patient’s discomfort and give the patient’s body time to patch itself.

  175. #178 Narad
    August 10, 2014

    This is a very strange criticism to aim at mainstream medicine if you are going to be touting homeopathy as an alternative.

    It’s like a matryoshka doll, if one punishes oneself with the Organon. Because, see, there will be other symptoms that will Herx up arise and have to be Remedied in order to remove the 5000 Spirits, or Layers of the Onion.

    Just don’t smell any mint, because that antidotes things. Coffee is iffy, but Weed is OK if necessary.

  176. #179 ann
    August 10, 2014

    @174 –

    Again, certainly. That’s what I meant by “everybody Christian.”

    (“Natural state” is what shouldn’t be there; I meant that:– as I understand it — people born in the Christian Era already have the option of starting life in a perfectly sinless state, whereas BCE people did not. And it’d just be throwing that away to take yourself rather than Jesus as your own Jesus. Ergo, if Cancerkiller meant something sensible, it can’t have been that, I feel.

    But that’s kind of a big “if,” as Narad observes.)

    _________________

    /ignorant off-topic confusion

  177. #180 ann
    August 10, 2014

    Probably just means something non-specifically Übermensch-y.

    On consideration.

  178. #181 Denice Walter
    August 10, 2014

    Hilariously enough, our friend Lawrence manages to comment at Dan’s post ( and is joined by Rebecca **@ Jake’s place- re AJW- where he maintains that they are NOT the same person and asks Jake an intriguing question about his own family connections, turning his 6 degrees back on him).
    Take a bow, Mr MacN ( IIRC)

    Risibly as well, I asked someone who hasn’t a degree in science but who has always worked in business about their new “study”- I described it in detail, being very cautious not to either start laughing or to represent it as truly ridiculous. Therefore, it presented it as neutrally as I could ( which was quite a chore, let me tell you) to someone who only studied science in secondary school.
    Then I asked if he thought it worthwhile- would we learn from it?- he thought that they were fishing for people who agreed with them in advance.”setting the stage” as it were.

    If your entire *raison d’etre* is’ vaccine damage’ your readers are most likely already steeped in this belief and influenced by stories presented there that assist them in their elaboration of their own original tales.

    ** they possibly let these two shills in because they may believe that they are a certain journalist from London.

  179. #182 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 10, 2014

    So, Bucktooth, what should we do next? Also please provide evidence that a vaccine for Ebola exists and that the Ebola virus was manufactured. Thanks.

  180. #183 Lawrence
    August 10, 2014

    @Denise – as it has been pointed out before that Jake’s family has direct ties to Pesticide interests (which even Jake posits as a “cause of autism), based on that alone, using his usual Standards, Jake himself is hopelessly compromised and obviously his continued railing against “Mercury in Vaccines” is merely a distraction or “dodge” to protect his own family’s interests.

    Again, what is good for the goose is certainly good for the gander.

  181. #184 Krebiozen
    August 10, 2014

    Sadly, 44% of the people responding to a recent poll by a UK tabloid (not the Daily Mail, for a change) said they believed Ebola was deliberately manufactured, and only 41% believed that it has spread from bats and monkeys. The article it accompanies describes Leonard Horowitz as “an international authority on public health education”, which made me laugh; I think “deranged dentist” is a more accurate description.

    When Horowitz isn’t spreading disinformation about AIDS, Ebola and SARS, he spreads lies about vaccines; he persuaded the Nation of Islam to boycott vaccines which he claims are targeting African-Americans in a Tuskegee-style experiment in genocide.. He also promotes ludicrous quack remedies for SARS and other illnesses (Google “Solfeggio frequencies” if you are interested).

    I’ll omit the usual speculation about what mercury from amalgams does to dentists’ brains.

  182. #185 Narad
    August 10, 2014

    Hilariously enough, our friend Lawrence manages to comment at Dan’s post ( and is joined by Rebecca **@ Jake’s place- re AJW- where he maintains that they are NOT the same person

    I’d really like to see Nancy Hokkanen try this level of shіtbaggery over at Popehat.

  183. #186 Narad
    August 10, 2014

    he persuaded the Nation of Islam to boycott vaccines which he claims are targeting African-Americans in a Tuskegee-style experiment in genocide

    They’re not a particularly hard sell when it comes to conspiracy theories. There used to be a fair number of the Fruits of Islam wandering the neighborhood.

  184. #187 Denice Walter
    August 10, 2014

    And, believe it or not, Lawrence continues @ AoA with John.
    Hats off to Lawrence!

    @ Narad:

    I’d enjoy seeing her attempt her tomfoolery *here* or even better, @ PZ’s place.

  185. #188 lilady
    August 10, 2014

    You sound surprised Narad. Nancy Hokkannen is posting her shitbaggery on this blog (a review of Robert F. Kennedy’s new book):

    http://blog.ucsusa.org/new-vaccine-misinformation-book-gets-the-science-wrong-619#comment-1533964422

  186. #189 Narad
    August 10, 2014

    I’d enjoy seeing her attempt her tomfoolery *here* or even better, @ PZ’s place.

    Eh, I file PZ in the same category as Philip Glass. I found her immediately trying to connect a suicide to dental fillings profoundly offensive. Even the meager follow-up by the commentariat seems to have a glimmer that this was misplaced.

  187. #190 Denice Walter
    August 10, 2014

    Narad, like the rest of the crew- including woo-meisters- she wants to believe that serious conditions and illnesses like ASDs, LDs, mental illnesses, CVD, cancer etc. all come from WITHOUT ( toxins, poor diet, meds, doctors, hexes) rather than seeing them as conditions inherent to human life and, to a degree uncontrollable, by our own actions.

  188. #191 lilady
    August 10, 2014

    Dammit, I got stuck in moderation for using Narad’s word “sh!tbaggery” for Hokkanen’s activities. Hokkanen has been active on this blog, posting under another ‘nym (a great review of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s new book on Thimerosal):

    http://blog.ucsusa.org/new-vaccine-misinformation-book-gets-the-science-wrong-619#comment-1533964422

  189. #192 Narad
    August 10, 2014

    @DW:

    Narad, like the rest of the crew- including woo-meisters- she wants to believe that serious conditions and illnesses like ASDs, LDs, mental illnesses, CVD, cancer etc. all come from WITHOUT

    I take it that you can infer when I’m taking something personally.

    @lilady:

    Dammit, I got stuck in moderation for using Narad’s word

    It’s simplest to cut and paste. Sometimes the insane “design” of Unicode coughs up a feature.

  190. #193 ann
    August 10, 2014

    Eh, I file PZ in the same category as Philip Glass.

    Oscar Wilde would have envied that.

  191. #194 Denice Walter
    August 10, 2014

    For a while, Mr Glass and I travelled in the same circles.

  192. #195 Jitender Kumar Gaur
    India
    August 11, 2014

    The person or a group of persons not understanding homeopathy are talking all this rubbish. There is no pseudoscientific in this. The thing not comprehensible for blockheads can’t be classed as pseudoscientific. Germans had always been creators. Homeopathy has its German origin. It’s results are spectacular. Where allopathy ends, homeopathy starts giving its initial results. When allopathy reaches its ends, homeopathy starts its work.

  193. #196 Julian Frost
    Gauteng East Rand
    August 11, 2014

    Mr Gaur, if homeopathy has such spectacular results, please explain why large scale trials have shown no difference in efficacy between homeopathy and placebo.

  194. #197 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 11, 2014

    @Jitender Kumar Gaur,

    Please see my comment #90 above. If you have high quality data to show that there is any basis for the underlying principles of homeopathy, please share. Likewise, if you have any high quality data to show that a homeopathic remedy at a dilution of 12C or higher has any clinically significant benefit over a placebo for a condition that isn’t self limiting, please share. Also please describe what is “not comprehensible for blockheads” and explain it for us. Thanks in advance.

  195. #198 Indigo Blue
    August 11, 2014

    http://blogs.naturalnews.com/treating-ebola-homeopathy/

    Even Mike Adams got panicky about the quackiness of this and pulled the article. The reason even Mikey freaked are preserved in the comments:

    The remedy apparently required taking “an Ebola sample, spit or other disease product such as blood.”

  196. #199 Narad
    August 12, 2014

    Germans had always been creators.

    Sure, just look at Heinrich Harrer.

    Well, you know what I mean.

  197. […] delusion that was as massive as the concentration of a 30C homeopathic dilution is small when they proposed that homeopathy could be used ot treat Ebola virus disease. There are not enough facepalms face palmy enough to express the disgust at the utter […]

  198. […] is basically giving up. Like with the recent Ebola outbreak, homeopaths and its fans, have been saying, “try homeopathy, because allopathic medicine […]

  199. #202 s wood
    usa
    August 16, 2014

    Dr. E Berndt,

    What the heck does blood-letting have to do with homeopathy ? It doesn’t.
    Thank you for sharing YOUR ignorance.

    Let me explain to others about homeopathy.
    Einstein contended that every thing has a frequency.
    Whether it be a table, chair, person or disease.
    Is it possible that every disease has a frequency ?
    Of course !
    So when you have an herb or plant or metal or poision, then
    you are working with all these different frequencies.
    As my Jr High teacher once pointed out…a +7 is as powerful
    as a -7.
    So lets say, this Ebola disease is very unique and has just
    a high a frequency as the Aids virus…..Its at 100M potency
    (frequency) so you would need to select the CORRECT plant
    and dilute it to 100M. It would negate the disease.

    Tobacco plant is a well known remedy among homeopathic
    drs and those who practice it. But this is NOT the plant I would have picked as it will fall short.

    I hope the two Americans can completely recover…but unfortunately I have my doubts. Watch how long they stay in
    confinement. It will be for a LONG time.

    Here’s a tip to all you homeopathic drs….
    the remedy is a flowering plant. If you search for it in the
    medicas….you will find it. It covers ALL symptoms of Ebola.
    And make it to a CM remedy. (100M)

  200. #203 s wood
    usa
    August 16, 2014

    Also, I would people to know I believe in many methods of healing….not just homeopathy.

    If you were building a house, would you pick up a screwdriver to pound a nail. Would you pick up a hammer
    to tap in place a mirror ? No.

    I believe in allopathic meds…(particularly the antibiotics),
    herbs, chiropractic, acupuncture, vitamins, greens, healing
    foods, homeopathy, essential oils, the Bach remedies, etc.

    If you pick the right remedy, you can cure or at least –slow
    down the death process.

    The problem is….when the doctors in the US at at least 90%
    allopathic, then they have a “trained” patient from birth to death and the patient is trained to think they have to take
    a pill daily….or even the rest of their lives.

    Even homeopathy was difficult for me to understand in the beginning because I had an allopathic mindset.

    But if you are in the KNOW, then you are aware that more
    Drs and nurses are learning alternative methods into their
    allopathic practice. NOT so much the other way around.

    Please keep in mind, through the centuries, people always pushed science, even if it was incorrect science.
    And they called many concepts bogus, when they simply didn’t understand.

    Remember what my jr high math teacher said….-7 is just as
    powerful as +7.

  201. #204 NumberWang
    August 16, 2014

    Shame you didn’t listen to what your science teachers told you eh?

  202. #205 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 16, 2014

    Einstein contended that every thing has a frequency.
    Whether it be a table, chair, person or disease.

    No, he didn’t, at least not in the sense you’re trying to make this.

    So lets say, this Ebola disease is very unique and has just
    a high a frequency as the Aids virus…..Its at 100M potency
    (frequency) so you would need to select the CORRECT plant
    and dilute it to 100M. It would negate the disease.

    You seem to be confusing concentration, frequency, and phase.

    What is the frequency of a disease of your choice? How is this measured?

    If you’re assuming that a disease has a waveform, the way to nullify that waveform would be to generate a wave with the same amplitude but opposite phase. How does serial dilution of a substance do this and how do you know? Please be specific.

  203. #206 Narad
    August 16, 2014

    Watch how long they stay in
    confinement. It will be for a LONG time.

    Would you like to lay a wager on that one? I’m going with by next Saturday for Brantly.

  204. #207 herr doktor bimler
    August 16, 2014

    Einstein contended that every thing has a frequency.
    Whether it be a table, chair, person or disease.

    Please refer us to a letter or lecture or publication in which Einstein made this ludicrous claim. In the absence of a source, I’ll be forced into the uncharitable position of thinking of you as a fabulist or bullsh1t artist. Thanks in advance.

  205. #208 herr doktor bimler
    August 16, 2014

    If you pick the right remedy, you can cure … the death process.
    Mostly dead or all dead?

  206. #209 herr doktor bimler
    August 16, 2014

    Remember what my jr high math teacher said….-7 is just as powerful as +7.
    Remember what the Dormouse said! Feed your head!

  207. #210 Dangerous Bacon
    August 16, 2014

    “If you were building a house, would you pick up a screwdriver to pound a nail. Would you pick up a hammer
    to tap in place a mirror ? No”

    If I was asked to help a starving family, I wouldn’t send them a photo of a Thanksgiving feast.

    Think about it a bit, and you’ll see the analogy to homeopathy.

  208. #211 AdamG
    August 16, 2014

    Remember what my jr high math teacher said….-7 is just as powerful as +7.

    Sure, but that doesn’t change the fact that homeopathic ‘remedies’ are a solid 0.

  209. #212 Chemmomo
    reading comment 210
    August 17, 2014

    Dangerous Bacon wins the internet today. Or maybe yesterday, as time stamps aren’t Pacific.time

  210. #213 Dr Mugdha Patil
    mumbai
    August 21, 2014

    whoever has written this blog mentioning that basic laws of homoeopathy are pseudotheories, is just a completely foolish rather a moron.
    Homoeopathy does wonders not only in flue caes but in n no of other pahologies n law of similars n law of potentisation whcich states that the more u dilute the medicine the more potent it becomes.
    yes after dilutions beyond 200 medicine doesnt content single molecule. but it has the energy of that molecule, the impression of that molecule which acts n cures the disease
    a moron person like you shoul; give a thought to nanotechnology which explains hoe homoeopthy works in spite of diluting the actual substance.
    Homoeopathy is in accordence with modern research n the fastest ever actin pathy provided the right medicine is prescribed by the doctor.
    Had the allopathy been the successfull science thousands of patients wouldnt have died with H1N1 IN SPITE OF TAKING ALLOPATHY.

  211. #214 ChrisP
    August 21, 2014

    Dr Mugdha Patil, homeopathy is simply water (or alcohol) mostly dried onto a sugar pill. It has no ability to cure anything.

    The law of similars is simply bunkum. It has no basis in fact. The law of potentisation runs counter to everything discovered about chemistry and physics for the last 200 years.

    Nanotechnology does not explain how homeopathy works. Firstly, it is entirely different to homeopathy because large numbers of molecules need to be present. Secondly, homeopathy does not work.

    I was disappointed you didn’t cover the law of leather bible bashing in your ill-written comment, but you can’t have everything.

  212. #215 Dr.Ilona Wilding
    Portugal
    August 21, 2014

    Good evening, as I see a lot of people here not knowing anything about allopatic medicine and homeopathy, but are absolutely against homeopathy, I highly recommend all of you to reeducate yourself before posting your socalled “opinions”.
    Homeopathy and the 1918 Flu (spanish flu which killed between 50 and 80 million humans)
    Lets start here:
    WW I was the first time that USA military personnel were ordered to receive vaccinations. There was and is a strong suspicion that mandated vaccinations used on troops actually created the initial infections for this pandemic. It`s recorded that many died after being vaccinated, while most who did not receive vaccinations survived.
    Those factors did not affect or alter what homeopaths managed to put together during this pandemic. Understanding symptoms which have been closely scrutinized and categorized are the determining factors for administering classic homeopathic remedies, including the follow up remedies for complete recovery as symptoms change.
    Undisclosed to the public at large, despite the strange and unusually virulent flu strain resulting in the “White Plague”, the cure rate of homeopathy during the 1918 so called Spanish Flu has been reported as 98%.
    Read more here:
    http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_18885.cfm
    or google also Margret Thyler e.g.
    Dont be brainwashed please, as the truth is the strongest tool of mankind.
    Dont be a sheeple to repeat, what the system wants you to believe.
    Like in 1918 homeopathy will be the only cure for Ebola, check it out before you say NO and will die for sure! As this is the goal of “Ebola”, killing million of humans. I even doubt that this Virus is really the Ebola Virus and not the one, which was created by the netherland “scientist” Ron Fouchier. Google him please!
    All the best and be open minded

  213. #216 brewandferment
    August 21, 2014

    ooookayyy…a conspiracy nutcase. Please explain the physical processes, in your own words, of preparing a homeopathic substance and how you would verify that it is present in the finished product.

  214. #217 Dr.Ilona Wilding
    Portugal
    August 21, 2014

    Dear Dr Mugdha Patil,

    thank you for your try to explain the majority of this blog, what are the basic of homeopathy. Ignore comments and insults like that from ChrisP, my deepest apology in behave of him. I study Homeopathy also in India and in Russia and TCM in China. My deepest respect to your indian knowledges and homeopatic hospitals. Keep your great work and dont put to much effort in brainwashed and on top very unpolitely I say people, as a real humanbeeing would never act like CrisP.

    To give some more information to this blog here:
    1.
    Do you know how many homeopathic hospitals exist in Europe, do you? I bet NOT:
    Here is the Royal London Hospital:
    http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/ourservices/ourhospitals/rlhim/Pages/Home.aspx
    or just do your homework and google homeopathic hospitals
    2.
    If homeopathic remedies dont work, please explain me, WHY they are only can be sold by law in farmacies??? If they are only water or result =0, why are farmacies selling them, loosing their face selling next to allopatic remedies somehing, which they “know” has no effect? Do you think they are stupid, not knowing it may be??? OR switch on your brain….
    3.
    Why not selling it like thousands of socalled suplements in the supermarket or other stores? Think about it.
    4.
    Why there is nearly a media-war against homeopathy? Ok, if you believe in massmedia, stop reading further, as you are still manipulated, got deceived.
    5.
    If vaccination is a proper medical response to diseases, explain me, WHY 50 -80 million vaccinated humans died from the spanish flu? Google the danger of vaccinations

    Get yourself reeducated, dont repeat the massmedia and to ChrisP and others, thats NOT the way, we should communicate.
    All the best

  215. #218 Narad
    August 21, 2014

    If homeopathic remedies dont work, please explain me, WHY they are only can be sold by law in farmacies???

    OK, here’s the explanation: You’re wrong.

    HTH. HAND.

  216. #219 Dr.Ilona Wilding
    August 21, 2014

    TO:
    brewandferment

    August 21, 2014
    ooookayyy…a conspiracy nutcase. Please explain the physical processes, in your own words, of preparing a homeopathic substance and how you would verify that it is present in the finished product.

    Dont know what homeopathy has to do with conspiracy? But ok, I can give you also some explaination on that, shaking my head here!
    . Allow me to re-educate you…to remind you of the original meaning of the word,”conspiracy”.
    A conspiracy is the same thing as a deception.
    A conspiracy is simply a deception being orchestrated by more than one person.
    So looks to me like you are a victim of them.

    And we have to study years medicine and “alternative medicine), which is already a study e.g. in the university of Graz. (sure, you didnt know that!)
    Quote:
    Please explain the physical processes

    May be, if you dont mind, educate yourself, I am NOT your teacher, as you are NOT my student. I will only show the way and take it from there please. Seems that you want everything on a silvertablet, but you have to work on yourself. If you want physical processes, GOOGLE and find the sources yourself. Sure, that is work, that takes a lot of time, reading a lot of books, buttttttt…that is up to you,if you really want to know the answer of your question.
    All the best

  217. #220 Narad
    August 21, 2014

    Why not selling it like thousands of socalled suplements in the supermarket or other stores?

    “Boiron products are available nationwide at CVS, Rite-Aid, Safeway, Superfresh, Wal-Mart, Walgreens, Wegmans, Whole Foods and independent health-food stores.”

    Think about it.

  218. #221 Dr.Ilona Wilding
    August 21, 2014

    To Narad:

    hmmmmmmmmmmmm, I am wrong? I dont know where are you located. In Europe you can buy them only in farmacies. And the next time please be more accurate and tell your sources.
    Thanks and all the best

  219. #222 Narad
    August 21, 2014

    And the next time please be more accurate and tell your sources.

    Do you see that blue text? Try clicking on it.

  220. #223 Dr.Ilona Wilding
    August 21, 2014

    To Narad:

    Boiron is a french company, selling some homeopathic remedies. I guess you refer on
    http://www.boironusa.com/homeopathic-medicines/
    No way that we would use them, as the most remedies of them are a mixture, means not really homeopathic remedies at all, supplements.
    Anyway I checked that out and I saw that you can buy Boirons products in USA over the shelter. When I see Walmart ……………yes, because they are not in our terms homeopathic remedies.
    All the best

  221. #224 Narad
    August 21, 2014

    In Europe you can buy them only in farmacies.

    Uh-huh. Given that you asserted that this is “by law,” howsabout you provide them?

  222. #225 Narad
    August 21, 2014

    No way that we would use them, as the most remedies of them are a mixture

    ORLY?

    Oh, dear oh dear, it sure looks like Helios will ship anywhere.

  223. #226 Dr.Ilona Wilding
    August 21, 2014

    To Narad:
    Please, read the whole information I gave before.
    Not worth talkingabout , that complex remedies like that from Boiron, which is avaiable in all the supermarkets in USA. Thats exactly what I was always talking about the “complex” = mixture remedies from Boiron. No value at all
    Be sure, thats why you can buy them in nearly all the stores ( yes, blueprinted, sorry didnt see that)
    And really thats absolutely !!!!! not important
    read the other topics or leave it… and again….yes, there is a law…google it…………………
    All the best
    will go to bed, usually I dont reply to any blogs, but this blog makes me feel scary………..blindfolded eyes
    All the best

  224. #227 Dr.Ilona Wilding
    August 21, 2014

    to Narad.
    and ufff, we dont talk about internet suppliers…………………..yes, yes
    helios.co.uk will ship to anywhere
    thats NOT the topic at all

  225. #228 Dr.Ilona Wilding
    August 21, 2014

    to Narad.
    and ufff, we dont talk about internet suppliers…………………..yes, yes
    helios.co.uk will ship to anywhere
    thats NOT the topic at all

  226. #229 Chris
    August 21, 2014

    Wilding: “May be, if you dont mind, educate yourself, I am NOT your teacher, as you are NOT my student. I will only show the way and take it from there please. Seems that you want everything on a silvertablet, but you have to work on yourself. If you want physical processes, GOOGLE and find the sources yourself”

    It doesn’t work that way. If you make a claim then you must provide the evidence to support that claim. Telling someone to Google it is an incredibly lazy way to get out of producing something you know does not exist.

    If you want to be taken seriously you will provide actual PubMed indexed studies showing homeopathy works for non-self-limiting diseases. For instance, Andre Saine claims that homeopathy works better for rabies than the standard modern vaccine. If that is so, then provide the animal studies proving that homeopathy works better.

    “1.
    Do you know how many homeopathic hospitals exist in Europe, do you? I bet NOT:”

    How many were left in the USA after the Flexner Report?

    “2.
    If homeopathic remedies dont work, please explain me, WHY they are only can be sold by law in farmacies???”

    Because homeopaths, like Royal Copeland, become politicians.

    “If vaccination is a proper medical response to diseases, explain me, WHY 50 -80 million vaccinated humans died from the spanish flu? Google the danger of vaccinations”

    There was no influenza vaccine before the 1940s. No one was vaccinated against any influenza in the first two decades of the twentieth century.

    I suggest you work on your knowledge of history and medicine. I would suggest you read The Great Influenza by John Barry.

  227. #230 Chris
    August 21, 2014

    “And we have to study years medicine and “alternative medicine), which is already a study e.g. in the university of Graz. (sure, you didnt know that!)”

    We know all about it, it was a farce. See how it was handled here:
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/07/02/homeopathy-in-thecringeicu-1/

    Now, do you have any evidence that supports Andre Saine’s contention that homeopathy works better for rabies than the standard modern treatment based on Pasteur’s work?

  228. #231 herr doktor bimler
    August 21, 2014

    Dr.Ilona Wilding #1 (when questioned as to sources of bullsh1t):
    May be, if you dont mind, educate yourself, I am NOT your teacher, as you are NOT my student. I will only show the way and take it from there please. Seems that you want everything on a silvertablet, but you have to work on yourself.

    Dr Ilona Wilding #2 (when shown to be a liar):
    And the next time please be more accurate and tell your sources.

    Perhaps there is more than one Dr Ilona Wilding commenting here.

  229. #232 Narad
    August 21, 2014

    Not worth talkingabout , that complex remedies like that from Boiron, which is avaiable in all the supermarkets in USA. Thats exactly what I was always talking about the “complex” = mixture remedies from Boiron.

    Protip: When you make an assertion that is trivially demonstrated to be false, the correct response is not to start making up dumbass shіt about how it’s only “mixtures.”

    There are no restrictions in the U.S. on where this crap can be sold, because nobody gives a fυck about magic water.

    Moreover, assuming that there is some place in the world where said crap is only sold in pharmacies, the next question is whether it’s only by prescription, because if it’s not, then it doesn’t make a fυcking difference, now does it?

  230. #233 Narad
    August 21, 2014

    and again….yes, there is a law…google it…………………

    “It”? For all of Europe? Listen, toots, you’re the one running around with a “Dr.” tacked onto your name, and you don’t even know the fυcking law? That’s not exactly something that inspires confidence from someone purporting to engage in the practice of medicine.

  231. #234 herr doktor bimler
    August 21, 2014
  232. #235 herr doktor bimler
    August 21, 2014

    In Europe you can buy them only in farmacies.
    I guess this is some special definition of “Europe” which does not include England.

  233. #236 Narad
    August 21, 2014
    In Europe you can buy them only in farmacies.

    I guess this is some special definition of “Europe” which does not include England.

    The magic word “buy” escaped my attention earlier. Yet:

    and ufff, we dont talk about internet suppliers…………………..yes, yes
    helios.co.uk will ship to anywhere
    thats NOT the topic at all

    I’ll be damned if I know where to “google” this weird blanket continental EU import restriction.

  234. #237 Denice Walter
    August 21, 2014

    New definition of “Europe”- a place where they use euros.

  235. #238 brewandfe
    August 21, 2014

    As this is the goal of “Ebola”, killing million of humans. I even doubt that this Virus is really the Ebola Virus and not the one, which was created by the netherland “scientist” Ron Fouchier. Google him please!

    Actually this is what I meant by conspiracy nutcase.

    Asking how you would make and verify the contents of a homeopathic preparation was to see if you understood what was in the finished product. I have NO intention of making or using homeopathy. But say, if you’re so convinced of its value, how about you go volunteer to care for Ebola patients in Africa? You may only use homeopathy for yourself, and no personal protective gear like masks and gloves.

  236. #239 brewandferment
    August 21, 2014

    whoops name input fail

  237. #240 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 21, 2014

    @Dr.Ilona Wilding,

    Do you know how many homeopathic hospitals exist in Europe, do you?

    I know there are several. I presume pretty much everyone who posts here, particularly those in Europe and Great Britain, were aware of that as well. It does not prove they provide effective treatments.

    If homeopathic remedies dont work, please explain me, WHY they are only can be sold by law in farmacies???

    I can think of several reasons they might only be sold in pharmacies including a) that the politicians who made the laws were truly convinced that they should be controlled substances, b) that the lobbyists for the homeopathic industry believed that they had a better cachet if their sales were limited and convinced politicians of same, or c) that it’s one of those historical flukes, like the fact that in certain states of the US one can buy distilled spirits in one place but not mixers, or that one can buy beer above 3.2% alcohol in liquor stores and beer 3.2% alcohol or below in grocery stores. If you have a particular significance for this factoid, please share.

    If they are only water or result =0, why are farmacies selling them, loosing their face selling next to allopatic remedies somehing, which they “know” has no effect? Do you think they are stupid, not knowing it may be???

    How about because they are extremely profitable? That fits all of the observed facts nicely.

    Why there is nearly a media-war against homeopathy?

    There is no such war that I’ve seen, perhaps you could supply examples?

  238. #241 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 21, 2014

    @Dr.Ilona Wilding,
    Did you realize that Evian, a brand of water from the French alps, spelled backwards is “naive”? Does that have any significance here?

  239. #242 Narad
    August 21, 2014

    Department of things that SB will blackhole without explanation (the real first link):

    Is this the same Ilona Wilding who claims the title of Doctor of Law?

    Think about it.”

    No, really.

  240. #243 ChrisP
    August 21, 2014

    Dr.Ilona Wilding, that is exactly the way I communicate. It is called “telling the truth”.

    As for the rest of your posts, really an appeal to popularity is not a worthwhile argument. Just because a pharmacy sells something, does not mean it works. Most pharmacies sell beauty aids for example.

  241. #244 Narad
    August 21, 2014

    “Materialistic values are associated less happiness”

    Sweet (PDF).

  242. #245 Calli Arcale
    http://fractalwonder.wordpress.com
    August 21, 2014

    As far as why only pharmacies get to sell homeopathic remedies in Europe…..(which I’m assuming is correct; I dont’ really know).

    My first instinct would be that it’s for the same reason the FDA is barred from regulating anything that the homeopaths decide to officially call “homeopathic”: because as medicine started to be regulated and also started to actually *work*, homeopaths realized they needed to protect their interests, and lobbied legislators and so forth to see that they got protection that would prevent them from being regulated like drugs (which have the unfortunate detail of needing to actually prove they do something useful) and also ensure they’d have a controlled, protected stream to their customers. In other words, they did precisely what Big Pharma wanted to do, but could quite manage before regulations kicked.

    I do not see this as any sort of endorsement of the discipline. Quite the opposite, in fact.

  243. #246 Narad
    August 22, 2014

    As far as why only pharmacies get to sell homeopathic remedies in Europe…..(which I’m assuming is correct; I dont’ really know).

    As far as I can tell, it’s a thoroughgoing crock of undiluted nosodes. The only thing I can figure that would even be in the ballpark is some sort of regulation for the equivalent of a compounding pharmacy.

  244. #247 Narad
    August 22, 2014

    Most pharmacies sell beauty aids for example.

    Strangely enough, the supermarkets in my area don’t sell “thousands of socalled suplements.” Nor do the bookstores sell broccoli.

  245. #248 herr doktor bimler
    August 22, 2014

    As far as why only pharmacies get to sell homeopathic remedies in Europe…..(which I’m assuming is correct; I dont’ really know).
    The Neals Yard chain is the first counter-example to come to mind. But it is a weird way to argue. Conventional medicine is sold through pharmacies; proving (by Ilona Wilding’s reasoning) that conventional medicine works; so why fluff around with homeopathy?

  246. #249 herr doktor bimler
    August 22, 2014

    Should note that the Ilona Wilding who claims in one place to be a “Doctor of Law” uses the same e-address as the Ilona Wilding identified by Narad who claims to be “Medica de Medicina Alternativa e Psicóterapia”.

    The e-address is actually in the name of Wilding’s colleague in the practice, Alexandra Lazuk, who is a holocaust-denying sh1tweasel and Illuminati conspiracist.

  247. #250 herr doktor bimler
    August 22, 2014

    Evidently the professional training to be a “Doctor of Law” and “Medica de Medicina Alternativa e Psicóterapia” does not cover the concepts of ‘research ethics’ or :plagiarism’, for large parts of Ilona Wilding’s essay on “The Role of Ethical Education for Economists and Businessmen” turn out to be repeated verbatim from news reports, but without attribution.

  248. #251 ChrisP
    August 22, 2014

    large parts of Ilona Wilding’s essay on “The Role of Ethical Education for Economists and Businessmen” turn out to be repeated verbatim from news reports, but without attribution

    Oh dear.

  249. #252 herr doktor bimler
    August 22, 2014

    No doubt her own contributions were strengthened by diluting them with other people’s work.

  250. #253 ChrisP
    August 22, 2014

    Only if she succussed them on a leather Bible. Otherwise the magic would not happen.

  251. #254 Narad
    August 22, 2014

    The e-address is actually in the name of Wilding’s colleague in the practice, Alexandra Lazuk

    Also a Skype handle, just by the by.

  252. #255 Narad
    August 22, 2014

    One might wonder whether this is misleading:

    Team Royal Lda with offices in Portugal and Russia and in the next future also in China is under the management of an austrian and a portuguese lawyer.

    It would be straight-up hilarious if this actually connects to Fort Lauderdale. Anyway, one just can’t pay for this kind of crazy (PDF):

    118) MSL DIAMOND TRADE Ltd. (Director: ECKARD SCHMIDT) GANGSTER
    www[.]msl-diamondtrade[.]com…. ECKARD SCHMIDT carries out this fraud with aid of his 3 partners, BARBARA FISCHER (AA-GROUP), VOLKMAR LEWERENZ & ILONA WILDING (www[.]teamroyal[.]org)

    I really must thank “Dr.” Wilding for popping by.

  253. #256 Narad
    August 22, 2014

    Oh, no, there’s a reply (PDF):

    We know that this wrong accusation was initiated by Dr. Simi Agarval (India) / IMPULS INC…. This company sent out an offer for a parcel of 148.000 cts and claimed to be the owner. This parcel should be part of a bigger parcel, which was shipped to Geneva in October 2008. We were already in contact with the importer (a Swiss company) and asked directly, if it could be possible that IMPULS INC. is the actual owner, seller or at least the authorized representative. It was denied.

    And so on. A mere day ago, it never would have occurred to me that becoming a homeopath would be a logical fallback position from the seemingly gray-market raw-diamond trade.

  254. #257 Narad
    August 22, 2014

    Fixed link. Apparently, it’s leaving off the Hotel Tango Tango Poup-poup that causes the weird site self-reference.

  255. #258 herr doktor bimler
    August 22, 2014

    Well, having visited the Teamroyal LDA website (precious metals & petrol exchange, and Dr Ilona Wilding’s previous scam), I can only hope that website design is not her day job.

  256. #259 Narad
    August 22, 2014

    Hey, s wood:

    Watch how long they stay in
    confinement. It will be for a LONG time.

    Would you like to lay a wager on that one? I’m going with by next Saturday for Brantly.

    I win.

  257. #260 louveha
    August 27, 2014

    Gonna repeat things which have already been said, long after the accused has left, but I had to react.

    @Dr.Ilona Wilding
    Woaw, you are one of the best arguments against homeopathy I have seen in a long time. And you are a DOCTOR ?? (I read the other comemnters’ findings after. Just wow if it is really you.)
    - “yes, there is a law…google it” ; “if you want physical processes, GOOGLE and find the sources yourself” ; “Google the danger of vaccinations”. I am a librarian and I weep every time I read this. A doctor is supposed to write a thesis with at least a few of these little things we call citations.
    (If only to ensure you are far closer to the right of this drawing than to the left…
    http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1174 )
    Same reason that I don’t care about your “media-war against homeopathy”. Did you ever talk about peer-reviewed papers, which should be the most important part ? If you did I missed it.
    - “And we have to study years medicine and “alternative medicine), which is already a study e.g. in the university of Graz. (sure, you didnt know that!)”
    “Do you know how many homeopathic hospitals exist in Europe, do you? I bet NOT”
    Actually, a lot of the articles here deal about “quackademic medicine”, when a therapy is taught in universities without good evidence on its efficacy. Same in hospitals. So yes, regular readers of this blog do know about this. (see Chris @230 and lots of others)
    Just use Google the search box. /sarcasm
    - Not to mention this gem about the spanish flu, as explained by Chris @229. I actually stared at my screen, saying “… What ?”

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  259. #262 Wendy
    September 10, 2014

    Orac, thank-you for opening my eyes to the futility of homeopathy. What an incredible waste of time and resources it would be for me to spend under twenty dollars and to online to order a couple of the top remedies for Ebola mentioned on your list! I certainly won’t go to the effort of printing out the detailed lists of suggested homeopathic remedies and dosage regimes you have provided, since it could take 2 minutes of my time and a sheet of paper. There is simply no point in keeping these remedies on hand just in case the prediction of the 1 in 5 chance of Ebola reaching North America is true! It would surely be a terrible thing to take these pellets that have absolutely no side effects and don’t interfere with any medical conditions if I or my family members developed any signs of Ebola. Although these remedies keep indefinitely and require only a couple of inches of storage space in my closet it would be admitting defeat as a scientific person, and not playing fair to the pharmaceutical companies who will surely have vaccines and the latest drug treatments by the time the disease reaches us! After all there are no double blind studies showing the value of homeopathy in the treatment of Ebola, and we would be uneducated fools to think that homeopathy could possibly work without proof from these studies. Surely the tales of the 1918 world influenza epidemic being successfully treated by the homeopaths and not by the conventional medical doctors are greatly exaggerated! All I can say is we must stay strong and resist any means to help ourselves with alternative means through any sort of illness. The pharmaceutical companies will take good care of us and give us the medicines to make us all better, even if we have Ebola. I am as sure that they will find a cure for Ebola as I am that they will find a cure for the common cold or cancer. So I won’t worry about this too much or try to prepare at all for this disease. There is no need. Science will come to my rescue.