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I’m a State Farm customer. I have been for a very long time. To be honest, I’m not sure if it’s inertia or the discounts that State Farm gives me because I’ve been with the company for so long. On the other had, I’ve had no complaints. State Farm’s service has been fine, and on the couple of occasions I had to make a claim the company didn’t jerk me around. Even better, it didn’t raise my rates because of it. So I had no plans to change my home or auto insurance to another company. At least, such was the case until I saw this:

Yes, that’s Rob Schneider reprising his role as Richard Laymer, better known as the “The Richmeister” or the “Makin’ Copies” guy, from his time on Saturday Night Live in the 1990s. It’s a seemingly innocuous enough commercial, not particularly funny but not offensive. Unfortunately, the same can’t be said of Rob Schneider himself. In fact, over the last couple of years, Schneider has been a not infrequent topic of this very blog for his very vocal antivaccine proclivities and political activism.

Schneider first came to my attention two years ago, when he made his antivaccine views nationally known through his opposition to California Bill AB 2109. AB 2109, as you recall, was a bill, eventually passed into law, that made it more difficult for parents to obtain a philosophical exemption for their children for school vaccine mandates. Basically, all the bill required was that parents had to see a health care professional to have him or her sign a form, in essence, acknowledging having received informed consent before opting their children out of vaccination requirements. It was a good idea, designed to address a deficiency in California law that allowed parents just to sign a piece of paper to opt out of vaccines. Basically, it was easier to opt out with a philosophical exemption than it was to fulfill vaccination requirements, which was thought to lead some parents who weren’t antivaccine to “take the easy way out” and simply sign the form to get their kids in school when they hadn’t gotten around to getting them vaccinated. AB 2109 was proposed as a means to stop that practice and to persuade fence sitters that vaccines had benefits.

Unfortunately, the bill was amended to allow naturopaths to be among the health care professionals. Then when he signed the bill into law Governor Jerry Brown watered it down with a signing statement in which he instructed the Department of Public Health to allow for a separate religious exemption that didn’t require a health care professional to sign the form. I still can’t figure out how he got away with that, because there was no provision for such a separate exemption in the bill. Brown’s instructions clearly went counter to the intent of the legislature. How they weren’t illegal, I have no idea. Of course, I’m not a lawyer, but I do know that the result of Brown’s cowardice—yes, cowardice—was a profound betrayal of the children of California. We’re seeing the results of Brown’s irresponsibility in the continued high rate of personal belief exemptions in a number of pockets in California, particularly southern California, as documented in, of all places, The Hollywood Reporter. Not surprisingly, the further result is continued outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases facilitated by areas of low vaccine uptake. By watering down AB 2109, Brown guaranteed that it would do virtually nothing to reverse this trend, and, disappointingly, it hasn’t.

Scheider, of course, was one of the most vocal celebrity opponents of AB 2109, laying down some major and historically ignorant analogies in the process:

After that battle was seemingly lost by antivaccinationists (although Brown fixed that), he moved on to become more active with the antivaccine Canary Party, which is well-known to readers of this blog, which led me to wonder if he was auditioning to take over Jenny McCarthy’s job as the world’s most famous (and dumbest) celebrity antivaccinationist. Certainly his video with the Canary Party about a year ago that laid down all sorts of misinformation about the Vaccine Court was as brain dead ignorant as anything Jenny McCarthy has ever produced. (Well, maybe not quite.) In any case, most recently there was little doubt that Schneider’s antivaccine conspiracy mongering went deep into Alex Jones territory, as he bought the “CDC whistleblowermanufactroversy hook, line, and sinker.

So you can imagine my chagrin (and that of a lot of other pro-science activists) when Rob Schneider was seen starring in commercials for State Farm. Personally, I was rather late to the party in that I heard about it, but before I could blog about it I learned that State Farm had dropped Scheider from its commercial campaign:

A social media campaign called for the insurance company to ditch the ad

State Farm Insurance will no longer run a television advertisement starring Rob Schneider because of the actor’s anti-vaccination views. The move comes after a social media campaign called for Schneider to be dropped as a spokesperson.

Phil Supple, the insurance company’s director of public affairs, told PR Week, “[Schneider’s] ad has unintentionally been used as a platform for discussion unrelated to the products and services we provide,” he said. “With that, we are working to remove the ad from our rotation at this time.”

Representatives for both Schneider and State Farm have not yet responded to TheWrap‘s request for comment.

Thanks to pro-science parody accounts like Food Hunk, Science Babe, and Chow Babe, with posts like this:

There was a prolonged campaign on Twitter and Facebook, as described by Chow Babe. Basically, the #DropRobScheider hashtag, among others, was used to promote messages critical of State Farm’s decision to hire Rob Schneider, although what I saw more was just a whole lot of Tweets critical of State Farm. The end result was that the ads featuring Rob Schneider were dropped by State Farm. They’re taking them out of the rotation of ads made for this new ad campaign featuring old SNL characters.

Predictably, the result is that antivaccine loons went absolutely berserk. For example:

Meanwhile, there have been lots of boycott threats:

In a way, I’m glad I waited a few days after hearing rumblings of State Farm having unleashed The Richmeister on an unsuspecting public, because the outcome allows some observations. First, Schneider is determining that his antivaccine activism has consequences. Now, having had people come after me at work for my science advocacy and criticism of quackery and antivaccination views, I’m very sensitive to the concern I’ve seen expressed that this campaign was misguided. I might even have agreed if people were trying to prevent Schneider from getting gigs doing standup, a movie, or TV show. For instance, even though Mayim Balik is a bona fide antivaccine loon and “holistic mom,” I have no desire to see anyone try to get her fired from her gig on Big Bang Theory, which is strictly to play a role on a sitcom. Although I was not happy to see Jenny McCarthy get a high profile gig on The View, I wasn’t calling for her dismissal. She didn’t last too long, either, having been fired after only one season, but it all had nothing to do with vaccines.

This, however, is different. Companies can choose whomever they wish to represent themselves, to be their public face, but they also should be made aware when they have made a mistake and chosen someone who actually is harmful to their image and business. State Farm is an insurance company. One of its product lines is health insurance. It is incompatible with its business and contrary to the company’s mission to feature a vocal antivaccine advocate as one of its spokespersons, particularly given how much misinformation Schneider spreads. It’s one thing to go after a private individual at his or her job, as antivaccinationists have done to people like Dorit Reiss and, yes, me. Someone hired specifically to do an ad campaign to sell a company’s product when part of that product is diametrically opposed to what that person normally promotes, as was the case with Rob Schneider and State Farm? That’s a different matter.

If Schneider had been hired to hawk beer, a car, a computer, a headphone, or, yes, a copy machine, I doubt that anyone would have much cared or said much of anything. Even after Jenny McCarthy was hired for The View, I don’t recall there being much, if any, effort to get her recalled. Even in this case, in a statement by Chow Babe after State Farm made its announcement, the main thrust of the effort started by the Chow Babe community and the other “hunk” and “babe” parodies of the Food Babe was not to get start a boycott of Schneider or State Farm, but rather this:

Our best expected outcome when this campaign was launched simultaneously in all groups on Friday morning, Sept. 19, 10am EST, (2pm GMT,) was for Mr. Schneider to publicly state that his opinions are just that—opinions, and to always trust your primary care physician when it comes to matters of your health. Instead, Mr. Schneider tweeted a link hours later to an 18-month-old interview with a Canadian magazine that promotes “natural” health solutions. In the article, he states the U.S. vaccination program is a human rights issue, where, despite the mass of scientific consensus and empirical evidence, that somehow vaccines are not responsible for the eradication of some of the worst contagious diseases. Additionally, he continues with the concept of “vaccine injured,” a belief with no evidential acknowledgment by the mainstream medical community.

And this:

Our next best expected outcome was that State Farm would announce that Mr. Schneider was simply an actor portraying a character who raises awareness of their services, and as such, his personal opinions about vaccination is not necessarily theirs.

I must admit, though, that the above statement sounds rather disingenuous given the release of this video on September 19, which explicitly called on viewers to hit State Farm’s social media and for customers to call State Farm agents and tell the company that an antivaccine loon like Rob Schneider should not be representing their company, which is a perfectly acceptable message that those who started this campaign seem to want to disavow now:

This video sure comes across as calling for State Farm to pull Schneider’s ads, no mention of State Farm or Rob Schneider just issuing a statement. Chow Babe et al should just own their message and be straight that that’s what they wanted. There’s nothing wrong with protesting when a company chooses a star to do an advertising campaign when that star’s activism runs counter to the company’s products and image. State Farm screwed up, and there’s nothing wrong with pointing that out and asking the company to fix its mistake.

Obviously, State Farm understood the campaign as wanting it to drop Rob Schneider. So it went one better than just disavowing Schneider as an actor hired to sell their services whose opinions are not necessarily the company’s and dropped the ad campaign. This wasn’t one of the group’s best expected outcomes (mainly because of the collateral damage to others who did the commercial with Schneider, who would not get residuals), but it was a powerful message that companies selling health care products like health insurance should be careful not to use actors whose central message is anti-vaccine and thus inimical to health promotion. I guess I’ll be sticking with State Farm after all. And Schneider, despite his relative lack of discernable talent, will probably do just fine as a performer as long as no company having anything to do with health and wellness makes such an epic failure of due diligence as to hire someone like Rob Schneider to be their public face. I mean seriously. Can’t State Farm Google? Schneider’s antivaccine stance is described in his Wikipedia entry!

If another similar company makes the same mistake, I’m sure it will be reminded.

Comments

  1. #1 Krebiozen
    October 1, 2014

    Apologies for blockquote fail. First blockquote should end after “essential for blood clotting”, but I misspelled “blockquote”. Sigh.

  2. #2 JGC
    October 1, 2014

    Why in the Hell is anyone worried about cold like symptoms?! What a laugh You all are.

    If measles only caused cold-like symptoms you’d have the start of an argument. As it is, however, you’re simply demonstrating you don’t comprehend the risks associated with contracting a measles infection.

    Before measles immunizations were available, nearly everyone in the United States got measles–on average between about 3 and 4 million cases annually, with significant numbers of patients requiring hospitalization and significant numbers of patients dying of the disease. bwtween 1953 and 1963, for example, there was an average of 450 measles-associated deaths reported in teh US each year.

  3. #3 JGC
    October 1, 2014

    AT, let’s take your list of ingredients in vaccines one at a time. We can start with formaldehyde:

    What evidence demonstrates that at levels of exposure acheivable by vaccination formaldehyde is suficiently toxic that the risks associated with being vaccinated exceed the risks associated with remaining vulnerable to infection by the disease it protects against? Be specific.

    (After we’ve addressed formaldehyde we can consider sodium phosphate.)

  4. #4 JGC
    October 1, 2014

    And BTW, that bovine serum albumin you’re so worried about? You get a mouthfl every time you bite into a steak.

  5. #5 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    October 1, 2014

    Rabies, Polio, AIDS, and Ebola all start out with flu-like symptoms. Why would anyone be concerned about something that’s just like the flu?

  6. #6 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    October 1, 2014

    The best argument I have for not getting the influenza vaccine is this: if I get flu-like symptoms, the best thing it could be is influenza. Everything else with flu-like symptoms is way, way, worse. If I’m already immunized against influenza, then I’d know I had something that could easily kill me. Not vaccinating for the flu keeps hope alive.

  7. #7 Narad
    October 1, 2014

    The incidence of non-polio Accute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) in India is now 12 times higher than expected and coincides with huge increases in OPV doses being given to children in the quest to “eradicate” wild type polio infection and paralysis AFP surveillance, which has to be detected at a minimum rate of 2 per 100,000 aged under 15 for adequate counting.

    FTFY.

  8. #8 JGC
    October 1, 2014

    Hell, the flu starts out with flu-like symptoms. It still kills thousands of people in the US every year.

  9. #9 Narad
    October 1, 2014

    Nonspecific signs and symptoms. Measles typically begins with a mild to moderate fever, often accompanied by a persistent cough, runny nose, inflamed eyes …’

    Why in the Hell is anyone worried about cold like symptoms?! What a laugh You all are.

    So the common cold results in a hospitalization rate of 1 in 36?

    Didnt we learn that in elementary school science that mercury is toxic? Dont touch the mercury?

    No. Now do me a favor and tell me (1) how alkylmercurials cross the blood-brain barrier, (2) how they’re dealkylated, and (3) what happens to the inorganic mercury afterward.

  10. #10 herr doktor bimler
    October 1, 2014

    You seem to have missed the part where the Mayo Clinic describe the complications of measles:
    “Missed” or “deliberately omitted”?

  11. #11 Johnny
    127.0.0.1
    October 1, 2014

    Didnt we learn that in elementary school science that mercury is toxic? Dont touch the mercury?

    I didn’t.

    I remember back in about 3rd or 4th grade (early 1960’s), learning about elements and melting temperatures, the teacher said mercury was a metal, and you could hold melted mercury in your hand. One of the other kids had a toy maze with a gob of mercury, the object of which was to get all the mercury together in the center. He said we could take the mercury out. So we did. The teacher carried it around in her hand to each of us, and let us touch it.

    (sarcasm)
    The next day, we all had autism.
    (/sarcasm)

    Yeah, it was a stupid thing to do. About as stupid as making a mercury filled toy.

  12. #12 AT
    October 2, 2014

    DONT Touch the mercury and DONT you dare ingest the mercury as it is a neuro toxin. Yes, that was 4th grade.

    Big Pharma kills 100k per year.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVeUc9dxwus&list=UUngq92xrmmsfEgGdfAJ6giQ#t=63

  13. #13 AT
    October 2, 2014

    The Flu is Spread BY The Vaccines!
    They call it flu season but advertise FREE FLU SHOTS for the idiots at the pharmacy in the late Summer and and presto. we now have Flu Season.

    This is a bad comedy act with most of you.
    Just stick this needle in your arm and all will be well.
    Ooh, Ooh that smell.

  14. #14 Julian Frost
    Gauteng East Rand
    October 2, 2014

    Good grief AT. You remind me of that (hopefully apocryphal, but possibly not) story about the king who found out that the areas with the highest rates of plague also had the most doctors, and on that basis ordered all doctors to be put to death.

  15. #15 skeptiquette
    October 3, 2014

    @ Denice

    Because of their Wakefuddlian philosophy, these partisans believe that ASDs are mediated through the GI tract and thus, they seek out comestibles as medicamentes.

    Errr, I highly doubt that they are basing these beliefs off of what Wakefield said 15 years ago.

    Are you familiar with any of the research that is going on in this field currently?

    Pretty interesting, and probably more likely as to why these are topics of discussion.

    The connection between the microbiota and developing immune system is a hot topic right now. Couple this with the explosion of research implicating the immune system in depression, autism, schizophrenia, tourettes, etc, then it should be no wonder looking at the microbiota and its contribution to aforementioned syndromes is logical and also exciting as to the possibilities. It should also be no wonder that there is the suggestion that probiotics could play a role in therapy or prevention of these syndromes as well.

    Anyway, if you(or anyone else) are/is interested–just go to pubmed and type in “autism and microbiota”

    There will be a plethora of info for you to survey if you are inclined.

  16. #16 Gaston
    October 3, 2014

    “The Flu is Spread BY The Vaccines!
    They call it flu season but advertise FREE FLU SHOTS for the idiots at the pharmacy in the late Summer and and presto. we now have Flu Season.”

    I saw that episode of the Simpsons (it was called “The Computer Wore Menace Shoes”) – Home uncovered the flu shot conspiracy years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Computer_Wore_Menace_Shoes

  17. #17 Narad
    October 3, 2014

    DONT Touch the mercury and DONT you dare ingest the mercury as it is a neuro toxin. Yes, that was 4th grade.

    Given that you seem to be stuck at about that level, perhaps your “memory” is more vivid than mine. Unfortunately for you, ingested elemental mercury is practically inert, and similarly for dermal contact. The problem is mercury vapor.

    And yes, we used to “Touch the mercury.”* In fact, I wish I still had my childhood copy of this.

    * Heh.

  18. #18 JGC
    October 3, 2014

    AT? Still waiting for your eidence demonstrating that formaldehyde, at levels of exposure acheivable by vaccination, is suficiently toxic that the risks associated with being vaccinated exceed the risks associated with remaining vulnerable to infection by the disease it protects against.

    Perhaps you could anser the question before jumping ahead to things like mercury?

    (Which, BTW, has never been an ingredient in vaccine formulations. The preservative thimerosal has, of course, but they’re dmonstrably not the same thing, any more than table salt is exactly the same thing as elemental sodium or elemental chlorine.)

  19. #19 Denice Walter
    October 3, 2014

    @ brother and sister sceptics:

    I would be so pleased if one of you would respond to skeptiquette’s rx to my ANCIENT comment re AJW as I don’t want to re-iterate what we’ve already done before IIRC a few times.
    In short, yogurt/ GFCFSF given to 6 year olds would rid them of ASDs.
    -btw- Kreb probably has the whole thing memorised by heart.

  20. #20 Denice Walter
    October 3, 2014

    -btw- that ‘in short’ was meant hyperbolically
    THX in advance

  21. #21 Krebiozen
    October 3, 2014

    Kreb probably has the whole thing memorised by heart.

    Heh. Funnily enough I was just reading about the microbiota in ‘Think Like a Freak’ (by the Freakonomics guys). An extended quote is warranted, I think:

    Just how many microbes do each of us host? By one estimate, the human body contains ten times as many microbial cells as human cells, which puts the number easily in the trillions and perhaps in the quadrillions. This “microbial cloud,” as the biologist Jonathan Eisen calls it, is so vast that some scientists consider it the largest organ in the human body. And within it may lie the root of much human health . . . ​or illness.
    In labs all over the world, researchers have begun to explore whether the ingredients in this sprawling microbial stew—much of which is hereditary—may be responsible for diseases like cancer and multiple sclerosis and diabetes, even obesity and mental illness. Does it seem absurd to think that a given ailment that has haunted humankind for millennia may be caused by the malfunction of a microorganism that has been merrily swimming through our intestines the whole time?

    Perhaps—just as it seemed absurd to all those ulcer doctors and pharmaceutical executives that Barry Marshall knew what he was talking about.

    So, I agree with skeptiquette that we have a lot to learn about the microbiota, and that it is possible autism may be one of many disorders that are related in some way to dysfunctional bacterial flora. However, it is very early days, and the role of gastrointestinal problems in autism, if any, is far from clear – are the GI problems reported within the normal range, or are they the result of autistic behavior? Or is there really something about autism that affects the gut? The evidence is equivocal.

    It’s certainly far too early to start making any claims about treatments based on this idea. Giving autistic individuals probiotics is unlikely to do any harm, but the current gold standard treatment for a dysfunctional microbiota is, of course, a fecal transplant from someone with a healthy microbiota (aka a “transpoosion”). I shudder to think what the AoA brigade might do with this idea (they are probably sending healthy fecal samples to each other in the mail already, along wiith the chicken pox lollipops).

    One Australian gastroenterologist, Thomas Borody, claims to have cured a range of illnesses including ulcerative colitis and Crohn’s. We shall see.

    Clearly Wakefield’s hypothesis that measles virus from MMR infect the gut leading to autism is wrong. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the gut-autism link is a red herring; I think Wakefield’s fraudulent study has delayed research in this area by decades, by making it a disreputable area of research.

  22. #22 ann
    October 3, 2014

    The Flu is Spread BY The Vaccines!
    They call it flu season but advertise FREE FLU SHOTS for the idiots at the pharmacy in the late Summer and and presto. we now have Flu Season.

    Oh, come ON.

    There had already been decades of flu season within my living memory by the time widespread vaccination campaigns for it became a thing.

    As far as I can recall, the subject simply didn’t arise for most people under 65 until….maybe the late ’80s? I’m not sure.

    But flu shots weren’t common. And flu season was inevitable. I swear it.

    Practically every single person in the United States who was born before 1980 should be able to back me up on that one, I think. Ask around.

  23. #23 Narad
    October 3, 2014

    Errr, I highly doubt that they are basing these beliefs off of what Wakefield said 15 years ago.

    I do seem to see a lot of claims that anything vaguely related to the microbiome validates Wakefraud, though.

  24. #24 Narad
    October 3, 2014

    I’ve set this aside because of limited available attention span, but given that I’ve left a lot hanging, I’ll try to pick up some of the slack.

    How is it different for people to mount a campaign for State Farm to drop Rob Schneider because he’s anti-vax than it would be if they mounted a campaign for Northwestern to drop Arthur Butz because he’s a Holocaust denier?

    It’s not, unless the campaign to drop Butz originated purely within the NWU community.

    Because … not only would I not support the latter campaign, I’d march in protest if the university fired him as the result of one.

    I have no objection to the latter campaign. I doubt that I’d have bothered as an undergraduate had I chosen NWU, but that has to do with the general impression I took away from campus protestors where I did go.

    I’d also sign a letter saying I wished he would leave if I were one of his colleagues and the university had already declined to act.

    One thing to keep in mind is that Butz had tenure, so the options were limited.

    Or if they hadn’t, maybe. I just wouldn’t demand that he be fired, effectively or actually. I think Northwestern was right.

    I think Northwestern was right as well, even with the tenure issue. But allow me to propose a hypothetical scenario: Suppose that Butz, an associate professor, didn’t have tenure. Would you condemn a multiyear student boycott of enrollment in his class sections, thus devaluing his position and perhaps giving the university an excuse to jettison him?

  25. #25 Lee Nicholson
    Atlanta
    October 7, 2014

    Dear Author,
    Anti-vaccine movement is different from a desire to make sure vaccines we give children are safe. Please recognize the distinction. Its all fun & games for you and the other pro-vaccine ideologues who espouse opinions without any stake in the game…until your child gets brain damage from a vaccine like one of mine did. When this happens to you or to a loved one, you will feel differently. You will be enraged to find that you don’t have the legal right to a trial by jury because of a congressional act passed in 1986. You will suffer the financial burden of raising a disabled child without insurance coverage for most of the services he/she will need. The “safe vaccine” movement is full of people with real life experience. It does not make sense to me that you would drop an insurance carrier because you didn’t like a guy in one of their commercials. Your insurance coverage and the commercial are completely unrelated. I am dropping my State Farm policies now that they have fired Rob Schneider, because I believe in free speech. I also know that Rob is right about vaccines, because my 7 year old son is mentally handicapped from a vaccine injury. I am not flaunting my vocabulary, or trying to come across as superior in some way to other commenters like nearly everyone else on your site seems to be. I know the truth, and I don’t see why people like you hate it when people like me refuse to accept the disabling of our youth. Vaccine injury happens. It is indesputable. It is in the literature the drug companies publish about their own vaccines…but they can’t be sued. Its illegal to sue them. If Whole foods sold a bag of kale chips (or whatever you people eat 🙂 ) that caused brain damage in 1 in 50 (or 1 in 100…or 1 in 10,000) people who ate it, they would be sued and they would not keep selling the Kale Chips even though the kale chips might be beneficial to the bodies of many of the people who ate them. Even though Kale tastes like dirt and I do not eat it, I would support those who were injured and wanted justice. I would not call them uneducated, rant on websites about how great kale is for most people, or turn a blind eye to falsified lab tests that let the bad kale hit supermarket shelves in the first place. For some reason, that’s what people like you do to people like me and my wife whose little babies have brain damage. You try to beat them down and name call, for what? We are victims of vaccines who want justice. We want to have the right to a trial (bill of rights anyone???). What’s not to support? If you want vaccines you can get vaccinated. You can get one every week if you so choose. My advice to you would be to keep your mouth shut until you have children of your own. Get them vaccinated, especially if they are boys, wait for the mental regression to happen about 18 months in, watch your child stop talking and eating and looking at you and responding to their name. Watch them turn 7,8,9,10 years old while still using a diaper. Be the one to call the police and frantically search the neighborhood when a guest leaves a door open and your child wanders off. Only then should you talk about vaccine injury. People like you writing articles like this is the equivalent of a five year old giving Jeff Gordon advice on how to drive. You are David Duke oppressing and intimidating victimized people of color. You are a back woods redneck harassing and condemning homosexuality. If you think that’s a stretch you need to meet my son. He is as much a victim of circumstance as anyone has ever been or ever will be. A baby, healthy and perfect, given a vaccine that rendered him severely mentally disabled. I am lucky though. Many peoples children have DIED. DIED – Think about that for a minute. Teenage girls have DIED from a vaccine for genital warts. The vaccine industry would claim that the vaccine was 100% effective in prevention of warts in those cases.
    You haven’t been through anything related to these vaccine injuries personally. How can you think you are worthy to have feelings and thoughts on this subject? Since you have no experience with it, you are merely choosing which side of this issue to regurgitate onto the web. I am fighting for my child’s brain. Fighting to make it right, but mostly to prevent it from happening to millions more children. Its too late for my son. He disappeared before he was two. He re-emerged as something very beautiful, but very different. He will need care forever. He may never live by himself, have children, get married, learn to read or write, etc. I hope you see where I’m coming from, but you probably won’t.

  26. #26 Lawrence
    October 7, 2014

    @Lee – let us know how your case went with the Vaccine Court, where you didn’t have to face an adversarial system (or a jury trial) with only the need to either show an acceptable table injury or provide evidence (50% + a feather to show causation) for compensation…..

  27. #27 Chris
    October 7, 2014

    “Teenage girls have DIED from a vaccine for genital warts.”

    Please post the PubMed indexed case reports. Not the raw VAERS data.

    “The vaccine industry would claim that the vaccine was 100% effective in prevention of warts in those cases.”

    Please link to an official Merck website making that statement.

    Also, try to learn how to use paragraphs.

  28. #28 herr doktor bimler
    October 7, 2014

    Anti-vaccine movement is different from a desire to make sure vaccines we give children are safe. Please recognize the distinction.

    That would sound better if it were not immediately followed by a whole lot of anti-vaccine bullsh1t.

  29. #29 Lawrence
    October 7, 2014

    It has already been pointed out that the “pro-safe vaccine” movement is identical to the anti-vax movement…..especially in light of the bullcrap that was posted above.

  30. #30 Narad
    October 7, 2014

    You will be enraged to find that you don’t have the legal right to a trial by jury because of a congressional act passed in 1986.

    By the way, Lee, how did those pre-1986 jury trials work out overall? Hint: You’re essentially advocating a lottery system for compensation.

  31. #31 Julian Frost
    Gauteng East Rand
    October 8, 2014

    Okay then Lee, which current vaccines on the schedule should we give to children? Which ones should we drop?
    And give evidence to support both.

  32. #32 lilady
    October 8, 2014

    Gee, Lee. None of us have ever given birth to a special needs child or cared for a child with severe developmental disabilities. So, you are correct that we are cold, heartless people who want to put generations of children at risk for vaccine injuries.

    Which vaccine(s) caused injury to your child?

    Have you made a claim before the United States Court of Federal Claims (Vaccine Court), on behalf of your vaccine injured child?

  33. #33 Narad
    October 8, 2014

    I know the truth

    Yes, I suppose retweeting things from “thetruther3” fits in here somewhere.

  34. #34 Ann
    October 14, 2014

    I think Northwestern was right as well, even with the tenure issue. But allow me to propose a hypothetical scenario: Suppose that Butz, an associate professor, didn’t have tenure. Would you condemn a multiyear student boycott of enrollment in his class sections, thus devaluing his position and perhaps giving the university an excuse to jettison him?

    No. Not at all. In fact, I’m not really sure I see the theoretical grounds on which it might be inferred from my comments here that I would, .But I wasn’t expressing myself very well. So it’s altogether possible that I inadvertently suggested it.

    In any event.

    No. I’m not really the condemning type, though. I try to err on the side of non-condemnation when it seems to me that the possibility of error exists. To a fault, maybe.

    But I certainly don’t condemn others for disagreeing with me about that. Within reasonable parameters. As is the case here.

    Thank you very much for your courteous and thoughtful reply.

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