measles

Countering the misinformation regularly promulgated by the antivaccine movement, be it antivaccinationists who are completely off the deep end, like Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., the crew at the antivaccine crank blog Age of Autism, or that epitome of the Dunning-Kruger effect mixed with an annoying self-absorption and coffee klatch vibe (that is when it’s not a wine party), The Thinking Moms’ Revolution, or from seemingly more “reasonable” antivaccine advocates like pediatricians Robert “Dr. Bob” Sears or Dr. Jay Gordon. The reason is simple. Vaccines save lives. They prevent children from suffering from diseases that once devastated communities all across this nation. As a skeptic, I also find the misinformation, tropes, and pseudoscience regularly used by the antivaccine movement to justify their brand of dangerous quackery useful for general skeptical education because they are so full of common misuses of science and evidence, defects in thinking, and, of course, logical fallacies.

These sorts of issues were on full display a month ago when antivaccine guru Andrew Wakefield and former biochemical engineer turned incompetent vaccine epidemiologist Brian Hooker claimed that they had evidence that the CDC had “covered up” evidence that the MMR vaccine increased the risk of autism in certain African American boys by more than three-fold, when in reality he had done nothing more than provide more evidence that Andrew Wakefield was wrong. None of that stopped the ever-intrepid Drinking Thinking Drinking Moms from organizing “Twitter parties” and the antivaccine crankosphere turning the crazy up to 11 because they thought they had “smoking gun” evidence that the central conspiracy of the antivaccine movement, namely that the CDC knows vaccines cause autism and has been hiding data proving it, had been validated and mainstream news, apparently recognizing cranks when they saw them, was not biting despite being begged to cover the story.

Unfortunately, this mindset and these people have real effects. I was reminded of that three weeks ago by a story published in The Hollywood Reporter that noted that communities of the well-off on the west side of Los Angeles had vaccination rates lower than many Third World countries. I had meant to write about this particular article, but, blogging being what it is, somehow I never got around to it. Besides, Steve Novella took it on. However, blogging being what it is and news being what it is, not infrequently another chance presents itself. This time, that second chance came in the form of a CNN report, LA: Where the Rich Don’t Vaccinate:

It’s a story based on the Hollywood Reporter article, and it’s disturbing. Also, our old buddy a Santa Monica pediatrician who caters specifically to those vaccine-fearing west siders in Santa Monica, “Dr. Jay” Gordon, makes an appearance in which he inadvertently reveals the selfish mindset of the antivaccine movement coupled with a denial of the very concept of herd immunity that’s utterly shocking coming from a pediatrician. It just goes to show that, even though Dr. Jay seems to have learned a little bit from his days of mindlessly repeating Jenny McCarthy’s “toxins” gambit about formaldehyde (which he appears no longer to do), he still hasn’t learned anything new about vaccines, other than perhaps more sophisticated ways to spread the antivaccine message while maintaining plausible deniability that he is not “antivaccine.” Make no mistake. He is antivaccine to the core, given the way he likes to compare vaccine companies to tobacco companies.

First, let’s see the wave that Dr. Jay and Dr. Bob and other practitioners and irresponsible pediatricians are riding in California. It’s a wave that’s already started to result in what public health officials have long feared as a result of antivaccine beliefs: A resurgence of certain vaccine-preventable diseases in California, such as pertussis and measles. Worse, pediatricians like Dr. Bob and Dr. Jay take no responsibility for the mess they’ve helped cause. Dr. Bob wrote a two famous Facebook posts in essence berating his patients’ parents for bugging him about whether or not they should get the MMR vaccine for their children and their (*to him) excessive concern about measles outbreaks near his Capistrano Beach office. It was a breathless bit of refusing to take any responsibility, consistent with his history of refusing to take responsibility for declining vaccination rates even though he admits that half of his practice is completely unvaccinated.

So let’s look at what’s going on in LA with respect to vaccination rates, and then we’ll come back to Dr. Jay. According to the CNN story, vaccination rates in some areas, particularly Waldorf Schools are much lower than vaccination rates in Liberia, for instance. The Hollywood Times story puts it into more detail by recording the level of personal belief exemptions (PBEs) at various schools, you know the ability of parents to opt out of school vaccine mandates because of basically any belief at all:

The number of PBEs being filed is scary. The region stretching from Malibu south to Marina del Rey and inland as far as La Cienega Boulevard (and including Santa Monica, Pacific Palisades, Brentwood, West Hollywood and Beverly Hills) averaged a 9.1 percent PBE level among preschoolers for the 2013-14 school year — a 26 percent jump from two years earlier. By comparison, L.A. County at large measured 2.2 percent in that period. Many preschools in this area spiked far higher, including Kabbalah Children’s Academy in Beverly Hills (57 percent) and the Waldorf Early Childhood Center in Santa Monica (68 percent). According to World Health Organization data, such numbers are in line with immunization rates in developing countries like Chad and South Sudan. These two schools aren’t outliers; dozens more — including Seven Arrows, Turning Point and Calvary Christian — report PBE levels that are five times the county average. And THR has found that administrators at many of these facilities are hardly alarmed.

It’s no secret that anti-vaccine sentiments run high on the Westside. But the data reveals a community where ambiguous fears about the perceived threat of immunization have in fact caused a very real threat. This is a hard topic to discuss, especially here in Hollywood. It hinges on parental choices that directly impact your own children and other parents’ kids, too — a dinner-party land mine to be avoided at all costs. Few parents would speak to THR on the record about their decisions for fear of the backlash.

One thing I noted about this story is the acknowledgement of something I’ve long known. It’s the vaccines. Period. It’s pointed out that, even though Andrew Wakefield’s claim that the MMR causes autism has been thoroughly discredited to the point where even most antivaccine or vaccine-averse parents not in the echo chamber of AoA or TMR don’t take it that seriously, concern has simply shifted:

Despite the debunking, public concerns remain strong. According to more than a dozen area pediatricians and infectious disease specialists THR spoke to, most vaccine-wary parents have abandoned autism concerns for a diffuse constellation of unproven anxieties, from allergies and asthma to eczema and seizures. “If I talk to most of my patients, who are very savvy by the way, they will say they know someone directly or indirectly who felt that their child has not been the same since the vaccine,” says Dr. Lauren Feder, whose pediatrics practice, popular with those leery of immunizations, is based just south of L.A.’s Miracle Mile.

Because, no matter what, it is always, always, always about the vaccines. But why the rich, privileged west siders of LA (and elsewhere)? Why is it that, this time around, it’s more about the well-to-do? As Steve Novella pointed out, a lot of it has to do with power and privilege, coupled with a sense of entitlement. I’d add that there’s also a huge helping of Dunning-Kruger effect, in which such people, catered to and able to buy almost anything they want all their lives, think that with a few hours studying at Google University they know enough to be able to reject the findings of science and the recommendations of physicians, scientists, and public health officials who have spent their lives studying infectious disease and vaccines. It’s the arrogance of ignorance, and who’s more arrogant than the privileged professionals of West Hollywood? The Hollywood Reporter also points out that many of these parents pay cash for concierge practices that don’t take insurance, making them feel as though they can demand of their physicians things that others, whose medical expenses are paid through health insurance or other plans, would not feel entitled to demand, such as no vaccines or “personalized” vaccine schedules designed to cater to the irrational fears instilled in concerned parents by the antivaccine movement. These parents tend to be of the “crunchy” type, wanting what’s “natural” and being prone to falling for the naturalistic fallacy, in which what is considered to be “natural” (whatever that means in practice) is automatically good—or at least better—than what is not.

Not surprisingly, Dr. Jay shows up in both the CNN report and the Hollywood Reporter article, spewing his usual and opining that “parents have a right to participate in the discussion, to decide when and how their children are vaccinated,” as if anyone in public health says that they should not. In the CNN report, Dr. Jay says:

Reporter: Isn’t it [not vaccinating] inherently selfish?

Gordon: Yes, I’m encouraging parents to make a decision that they feel is best for their children while considering public health.

Reporter: Do you feel you’re endangering the public health?

Gordon: No. If vaccines work and everyone else is vaccinated, then there’s no risk to them.

Dr. Jay contradicts himself. He concedes that not vaccinating is inherently selfish but then claims that he’s encouraging parents to do that selfish thing while considering public health. It’s a contradiction that he can’t resolve except by doing what antivaccine advocates everywhere do: Deny that herd immunity exists. So, in an astonishingly ignorant statement for a pediatrician to make, he invokes the old antivaccine trope that “if vaccines work and you’re vaccinated” there’s no risk to you. Of course, given the sloppy way Dr. Jay has constructed his sentence, it could also be reasonable interpreted as saying that if vaccines work and everyone else is vaccinated (i.e., those non-privileged suckers who aren’t as savvy as my cash-paying patients) my patients have nothing to worry about. I know he probably meant the former, which is utterly wrong, but the latter is not an unreasonable interpretation, either. Either way, what about children who for medical reasons can’t be vaccinated? Screw ’em! Dr. Jay is a nice guy and would be appalled that I’m attributing that attitude to him, but what other attitude is there to attribute to him? It’s right there on video! He doesn’t give a rodent’s posterior about children with cancer, for example, his protestations about “public health” notwithstanding.

He also claims that the more information you have about vaccines the less likely you are to follow CDC recommendations, which he intentionally represents in a fashion as scary as possible as the “six vaccines at a time” schedule. Of course, if the information you’re getting is the sort of antivaccine nonsense spouted by vaccine “skeptic” pediatricians like Dr. Jay and Dr. Bob and you don’t have the background in science and skepticism to recognize those arguments for the BS they are, then, yes, it’s reasonable to be afraid. It’s a fear based in ignorance and misinformation, but if all you are hearing are ignorance and misinformation it’s not unreasonable to be afraid. What is needed are science, facts, and reason to counter that misinformation and assuage the fear. Gordon also makes the astounding admission that none of his patients vaccinate according to the CDC schedule. I’m sorry. I know Dr. Jay likes to think of himself as a nice guy trying to do what’s best for his patients and will likely be highly offended when I say this, but that is medical malpractice in my book.

There’s little doubt in my mind that Dr. Jay and Dr. Bob and other crunchy vaccine “skeptic” pediatricians are doing nothing more than clever marketing, capitalizing on the fears instilled in their wealthy, privileged clientele by antivaccine activists. Steve Novella put it quite well:

No amount of money or privilege can buy you better science. It is perhaps for this reason that some people choose “alternative” science. They think they are getting something better than the herd. Ultimately, however, this is just a cleverly marketed deception. In the case of alternative vaccine schedules, all they are buying is higher risk for their children for infectious and potentially serious diseases. Further, they are exporting this risk to others, perhaps with less privilege.

Exactly. Dr. Bob is even highly blatant about it, telling his nonvaccinating parents not to spread it around too much that they don’t vaccinated so that they can “hide in the herd,” taking advantage of herd immunity provided to them by those less privileged and less “savvy” parents who vaccinate their kids.

Yes, as I once said five years ago, when the outbreaks occur, they’ll start in California. Actually, they already have. We just don’t know how bad it’ll get yet.

Comments

  1. #1 BoxTurtle
    Seattle
    October 5, 2014

    Actually, my immune disorder is congenital – that is, inborn, not “caught” or anything – but NOT inherited, according to my doctor. No one in my family has ever had anything like it.

    I have the great good luck of having NO close friends with kids, so I very rarely am exposed to any.

  2. #2 Narad
    October 5, 2014

    Amazingly, the CDC owns “the” patent on Ebola and all future strains.

    Leaving aside the fact that you’re too stupid to understand the text, something that I doubt you’ve even attempted (hint: wrong Ebolaviruses), you lose yet again.

  3. #3 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 5, 2014

    @LW
    “someone who LIKELY had the measles”
    “The Health Department says the person LIKELY infected…”

    One answer is that he OBVIOUSLY didn’t have measles.

    Another answer: God
    “…attends church services”

    “In that hour he cured many of diseases and plagues and evil spirits; and on many that were blind he bestowed sight.”
    Luke 7:21
    A MODERN DAY MIRACLE!

    Another answer:
    He was around lots of healthy unvaccinated people. We have no way of knowing how many vaccine failures there were, as the individuals were healthy and fought it off with their own immune system.

    THE REAL STORY:
    His greatest risk of death was driving to all of those places after getting off the plane.

  4. #4 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 5, 2014

    I’m looking forward to Halloween.
    We’re dressing up as hypodermic needles and will be going door to door giving out anti-vax literature. I can’t imagine a scarier costume.

  5. #5 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 5, 2014

    @Narad
    Can you please document how Dr. Hooker obtained the raw data?
    I was under the impression that Thompson gave it to him as a whistleblower. If the CDC did turn it over, was it because it was court ordered?

  6. #6 herr doktor bimler
    October 5, 2014

    For someone who believes that RI commenters are pharma-shills being paid for every pro-vaccine comment, it is generous of Toto to give them so many opportunities to earn those sweet phamabucks.

  7. #7 herr doktor bimler
    October 5, 2014

    Can you please document how Dr. Hooker obtained the raw data?
    I was under the impression that Thompson gave it to him as a whistleblower.

    So you haven’t bothered to read the paper you’re talking about? “Data for case and control children were provided in a de-identified form by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention”.

    I am shocked and disappointed.

  8. #8 BA
    Waiting for next spring
    October 5, 2014

    The “well to do” also disproportionately have children later in life. Advanced parental age is a risk factor for autism. I wonder if this plays into less than critical thinking geared towards avoiding autism.

  9. #9 LW
    October 5, 2014

    Another answer:
    He was around lots of healthy unvaccinated people. We have no way of knowing how many vaccine failures there were, as the individuals were healthy and fought it off with their own immune system.

    We know that the great majority of adults are vaccinated against measles (if not old enough to have suffered the actual disease). It is extraordinarily unlikely that everyone exposed was unvaccinated. Your argument is fantastical.

    By the way, do you know what it’s called when someone’s immune system fights off a virus so quickly and completely that they never even know they were exposed?

    Immunity.

    Nice job. You just proved that the great majority of adult AmericanJs are immune to measles.

  10. #10 LW
    October 5, 2014

    * Americans.

    Stupid iPhone.

  11. #11 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 5, 2014

    This Supreme Court ruling is horrifying and evil. The Creator’s INFORMATION rides on the DNA molecules. God has copyrighted it. The ruling is akin to claiming copyright ownership to THE LORD OF THE RINGS because you ripped the blank pages out of your hard back copy.

    “cDNA is not a “product of nature,” so it is patent eligible under §101. cDNA does not present the same obstacles to patentability as naturally occurring, isolated DNA segments. Its creation results in an exons-only molecule, which is not naturally occurring. Its order of the exons may be dictated by nature, but the lab technician unquestionably creates something new when introns are removed from a DNA sequence to make cDNA.”
    – See more at: http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/06/13/supreme-court-rules-on-myriads-gene-patenting-case/#sthash.P1aKwcYo.dpuf

    The Bible gives us fair warning…..
    “And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and PESTILENCES; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.”
    Luke 21:11

    Is YOUR name written in the book of life?
    “And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
    Revelation 20:15

  12. #12 MI Dawn
    October 5, 2014

    @My fellow minions: Can’t we feed Toto to Lord Draconis’ hatchlings? He’s getting really boring to read. If we are going to have an antivax troll to chew on, can’t it at least be someone with intelligence who actually tries to read things before he posts them?

    I’m going to bed. Toto has given me a headache.

  13. #13 Toto
    October 5, 2014

    herr doktor bimler
    Here are the details from Hooker’s web sight:

    “The whistleblower came to the attention of Hooker, a PhD in biochemical engineering, after he had made a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for original data on the DeStefano et al MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) and autism study.”

    “According to Dr. Hooker, the CDC whistleblower informant — who wishes to remain anonymous — guided him to evidence that a statistically significant relationship between the age the MMR vaccine was first given and autism incidence in African-American boys was hidden by CDC researchers. After data were gathered on 2,583 children living in Atlanta, Georgia who were born between 1986 and 1993, CDC researchers excluded children that did not have a valid State of Georgia birth certificate — reducing the sample size being studied by 41%. Hooker explains that by introducing this arbitrary criteria into the analysis, the cohort size was sharply reduced, eliminating the statistical power of the findings and negating the strong MMR-autism link in African American boys.”

    “Dr. Hooker has worked closely with the CDC whistleblower, and he viewed highly sensitive documents related to the study via Congressional request from U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The CDC documents from Congress and discussions that Hooker had with the whistleblower reveal widespread manipulation of scientific data and top-down pressure on CDC scientists to support fraudulent application of government policies on vaccine safety. Based on raw data used in the 2004 DeStefano et al study obtained under FOIA, Dr. Hooker found that the link between MMR vaccination and autism in African-American boys was obscured by the introduction of irrelevant and unnecessary birth certificate criteria — ostensibly to reduce the size of the study.”
    http://focusautisminc.org/cdc-whistleblower-reveals-widespread-manipulation-of-scientific-data-and-top-down-pressure-on-cdc-scientists-to-support-the-fraudulent-application-of-government-policies-on-vaccine-safety/

    Friday, August 24, 2012Last Update: 3:29 PM PT
    Dad Pushing Autism Link Can Get More From CDC

    “A federal judge found that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention excessively redacted information sought by a father trying to establish a link between mercury-based vaccines and autism.”

    “Believing that there is more to the story, Hooker sent four Freedom of Information Act requests to the CDC in 2004 and 2005.”

    “After Health and Human Services rejected Hooker’s appeal, he filed suit in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. He says that inapplicable FOIA exemptions amount to bad faith.”
    http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/08/24/49635.htm

    This does get a little confusing. However, the CDC didn’t just fulfill his FOIA within three working days…….

  14. #14 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 5, 2014

    “Pinoyfan wrote:
    …Even if the Philippines achieved eradication (from measles), “imports” through tourists are a permanent threat. Sadly particularly people from, ironically, Switzerland are a high risk source since in aforementioned country exists a relatively strong anti vaxxer movement. Particularly people from cantons of Eastern Switzerland are troublesome. Cantons Appenzell Inerrhoden, Appenzell Auserrhoden, Glarus, St. Gallen are particularly big strongholds of the anti vaxxer movement in Confederatio Helvetica.”
    http://blogs.wsj.com/searealtime/2014/01/06/philippines-launches-vaccination-drive-to-halt-measles-outbreak/
    AN INTERESTING COMMENT IN LIGHT OF THE FOLLOWING STATISTICS….

    “The pharmaceutical industry, as a key driving force of the Swiss economy, was unfazed by the recent economic crisis . Growth in real gross added value during the crisis years of 2008 and 2009 was approximately 7%, with a slowdown to about 4 % in 2010 . Forecasts continue to be optimistic for the current year, so the pharmaceutical industry can again expect stronger growth than the overall economy . Although the growth in the number of persons employed in the overall economy was an average of 1 .5% per year from 2005 to 2010, growth in the pharmaceutical industry was twice as high, namely at 3% . When including jobs in the supplier industries, more than 135,000 jobs were dependent on the pharmaceutical industry in 2010 . This sector delivers above-average productivity and is directly and indirectly re- sponsible for added value of almost CHF 30 billion, equivalent to a share of 5 .7 % of nominal gross domestic product . Moreover, since 1990, the pharma- ceutical sector increased its exports by a factor of seven (in terms of value), and it now contributes more than 30% of Switzerland’s total exports .” p.4
    http://www.interpharma.ch/sites/default/files/polynomics-2011_bedeutung-der-pharmaindustrie-fuer-die-schweiz_e.pdf
    DO THE SWISS KNOW SOMETHING?
    They are smarter, wealthier, and healthier than the average American…

  15. #15 Toto
    October 6, 2014

    @Boxturtle
    Have you been tested for vitamin D deficiency?
    They now recognize it as an integral part of the immune system. Very low D levels can lead to depression, anxiety, fatigue, and autoimmune disease. All four of mine have had very low vitamin D. 2000 units of D3/day made an amazing difference within two days. I think this condition may be vaccine related. It has become a bit of an epidemic. My boys do get outside every day.
    http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.7193.pdf

    J Nutr. 2005 Nov;135(11):2739S-48S.
    The vitamin D epidemic and its health consequences.
    Holick MF.
    “Vitamin D deficiency also has other serious consequences on overall health and well-being. There is mounting scientific evidence that implicates vitamin D deficiency with an increased risk of type I diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, hypertension, cardiovascular heart disease, and many common deadly cancers. Vigilance of one’s vitamin D status by the yearly measurement of 25-hydroxyvitamin D should be part of an annual physical examination.”
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16251641

    “Vitamin D, in other words, acts a bit like the ignition key to your car: The car won’t run unless you turn the key and ignite the engine. Likewise, your immune system won’t function unless it is biochemically activated with vitamin D. If you’re facing the winter flu season in a state of vitamin D deficiency, your immune system is essentially defenseless against seasonal flu. That’s why all the people who get sick are the ones who live indoors, work indoors and exist in a chronic state of vitamin D deficiency.

    That’s also why virtually all the people who died from H1N1 were chronically deficient in vitamin D. They had virtually no immune system protection at all and were thus easy targets for the swine flu.

    These findings about vitamin D “arming” the immune system were published in Nature Immunology. Commenting on the findings, the researchers said, “Scientists have known for a long time that vitamin D is important for calcium absorption and the vitamin has also been implicated in diseases such as cancer and multiple sclerosis, but what we didn’t realize is how crucial vitamin D is for actually activating the immune system — which we know now.” (UK Telegraph, source below).

    It seems the CDC and WHO remain utterly ignorant about this research or they would have been recommending vitamin D to fight the recent H1N1 pandemic rather than vaccine shots. Vitamin D would have been a far more effective (and less costly) defense against the pandemic than vaccine shots, especially given that even vaccines don’t work unless there is an immune response, and that immune response requires the presence of vitamin D!”
    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/028357_vitamin_d_deficiency.html#ixzz3FKmochfR

  16. #16 Julian Frost
    Gauteng East Rand
    October 6, 2014

    BA:

    The “well to do” also disproportionately have children later in life. Advanced parental age is a risk factor for autism.

    I’d actually like to take a look at this, because I can think of two possible confounders for what you said.
    Possible Confounder 1: The “well to do” are more likely to have access to doctors who can diagnose autism and to services for autistic children. Thus, they are more likely to have their children diagnosed.
    Possible Confounder 2: Because of their lack of social skills, autistics may be likely to marry later than their neurotypical peers. In other words, marrying later is not the issue. It may just be that autistics are likely to marry later.
    If anybody has any data, I would appreciate it.

  17. #17 Militant Agnostic
    October 6, 2014

    MOB @161

    The safety of automobiles can only be increased with maintenance. Not maintaining your automobile, because it is a non-action, does not create or impose risks – doing nothing cannot force anything. Thus mandatory automobile safety inspections are inherently worthless.

    I’ll see you and raise you. Not braking for pedestrians, red lights etc. is a non action and therefore blowing through a crosswalk or red light does not force anything. Poor Sid must chafe under the coercion that forces him to do so.

    I have heard Ella Fitzgerald make more sense than Toto’ s post while scat singing in a cutting contest with the Jazz at the Philharmonic All Stars.

  18. #18 Krebiozen
    October 6, 2014

    Toto,
    You seem to be under the impression that repeating a blatant lie over and over makes it true.

    It was not until relatively recently that it was discovered that most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after being given.

    Unless by “most” your source means “pertussis”, as I pointed out just a couple of days ago, that is no true. This study looked at persistence of immunity after vaccination and found estimated antibody half lives of 92 years for smallpox, 3014 years for measles, 542 years for mumps, 114 years for rubella, 11,552 years for Epstein-Barr, 50 years for varicella-zoster, 11 years for tetanus (which is why a booster is recommended) and 19 years for diphtheria (though 85% of subjects were still immune). Immunity to tetanus and diphtheria probably last much longer, but the antibody levels measured were at the detection limit of the assays used.

    Give this, a large part of your argument is exposed as utterly bogus. Again.

  19. #19 Krebiozen
    October 6, 2014

    Toto,

    That’s also why virtually all the people who died from H1N1 were chronically deficient in vitamin D. They had virtually no immune system protection at all and were thus easy targets for the swine flu.

    You don’t want to believe what Mike Adams says about, well, anything. This clinical trial of vitamin D3 to prevent influenza found no difference in influenza incidence in those given D3 and those not – there were fewer cases in the D3 group during the first month, but more in the second month so overall the D3 made no difference. A systematic review found that D3 supplementation had a small and barely statistically significant effect on mortality and on deaths from cancer, even when looking only at those who were deficient: 150 people would have to be given D3 for five years to prevent one additional death.

    Vitamin D is not the panacea that Adams and others claim it is.

  20. #20 LW
    October 6, 2014

    Toto’s assertions about the Swiss are amusing:TTYe Swiss don’t vaccinate as much as other developed countries and the Swiss pharmaceutical industry is very healthy.

    Hmm.

    Do you suppose that’s because treating VPDs is a whole lot more profitable for Big Pharma than preventing them via vaccination?

  21. #21 LW
    October 6, 2014

    TTYe = they. I don’t know how the iPhone managed that particular mess.

  22. #22 LouV
    France
    October 6, 2014

    @Toto :
    “I’m a little older. I grew up with measles, mumps, and chickenpox parties. Kids were exposed while young and healthy. After a few days of discomfort, they were fully recovered and had LIFELONG NATURAL IMMUNITY. More importantly, NO AUTISM and permanent disabilities.”

    And ? I was born in the 80s ; I almost never heard about autism or chronic disabilities in my circle. Then someone I know was diagnosed late beginning 2000s, and I suddenly realized there were a lot more autistic people than I thought.
    More importantly, I learned of the existence of advocacy organizations for parents who had been battling for DECADES in order to help their children who had been institutionalized and wrongly diagnosed with psychosis and mental retardation, without adequate therapy.
    So I dare you to adress the senior membres of an advocacy organization and tell them that their children can’t be autistic, because you ignored their existence when young.

    ***
    “Autism is a new phenomenon, beginning with “Kanner’s 11: ”
    Psychiatry, and even more child psychiatry are also relatively new phenomenon in case you don’t realize. Kanner and Asperger were the first to theorize that some of their patients had similar symptoms, and they then proposed a new classification. That doesn’t make Kanner’s 11 “patient zero”.
    “So Dr. Kanner was stupid and incompetent? He does not agree with you. ”
    Waow… FYI, scientific information didn’t travel to the same speed at this time. Moreover, not all psychiatrists became interested by Kanner and Asperger’s work at the same time, so yes a lot of kids were wrongly diagnosed. And finally what we define now as “autism” now recover symptoms a lot less restrictive than Kanner’s original 11. He wasn’t stupid, he simply had to work with a little number of patients.
    Ever heard of “diagnostic substitution” ?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18384386
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/117/4/1028.abstract

  23. #23 herr doktor bimler
    October 6, 2014

    “So Dr. Kanner was stupid and incompetent? He does not agree with you.”

    Kanner did not claim that the pattern he described was novel, only that it had not been recognised before. But to know that, Toto would have to read stuff, and reading is hard… Toto does not even read material before copy-pasting it.

    Here’s a good account of how autism existed before Kanner’s paper but had not been widely recognised:
    In this initial description of ‘infantile autismʼ […] Kanner described a distinct syndrome instead of previous depictions of such children…

    [Source — one of Toto’s slabs of spam, intended to prove that autistic kids appeared from nowhere in 1943]

  24. #24 Chris Hickie
    October 6, 2014

    I take back what I said in toto about toto.

    Toto, you are an anti-vaccine loon–100% pure jibbering nonsense of irrationality and stupid. Furthermore, unless you are willing to disclose your real name for your rather unbelievable vaccine injuries you claim happened to your children, you should go do your mindless copy/paste/spam nonsense elsewhere–otherwise you are a nameless troll who is just lying to get attention.

  25. #25 LouV
    France
    October 6, 2014

    Eugh… Just looked Toto’s comments from the 1st september article, especially the filmed comments.
    Don’t pay attention to my earlier comment, I want to forget I ever attempted to argue with such a person.
    I am now wishing it only is a really unsubtle Poe.

  26. #26 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 6, 2014

    I find this to be an intriguing first-hand account of the first Ebola encounter in Zaire back in 1976. Given their initial exposure to the blood of the victim and their lack of knowledge of what they were dealing with, it is nothing short of a miracle that they did not contract the disease……

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/04/ebola-zaire-peter-piot-outbreak

  27. #27 squirrelelite
    October 6, 2014

    @Toto,

    It’s actually a pretty good article about the history of Ebola.

    Considering they didn’t know much at all about the virus, they were a bit lucky. But they did have some knowledge about general disease sanitation and the good sense to wear heavy leather shoes, etc.

    Their early work is starting to come to fruition with the development of vaccine(s) and treatments.

  28. #28 Helianthus
    October 6, 2014

    Given their initial exposure to the blood of the victim and their lack of knowledge of what they were dealing with, it is nothing short of a miracle that they did not contract the disease…

    They were lucky. And, I would strongly suspect, very good at manipulating infectious samples. Sloppy microbiologists don’t have a successful career.
    The article provides a perfect example of why people in lab should wear sturdy shoes, not flip-flop or other sandals. One scientist is likely alive because he was wearing strong shoes.
    As long as the virus did not come in contact with broken skin or with soft tissues, and the scientists washed their skin afterward, the risk of infection was strongly reduced. So far, Ebola virus’s mode of transmission is more akin to hepatittis viruses than to cold viruses.

    The Belgian nuns from the hospital were not so cautious: They were using unsterilized syringes to inject multiple patients with some vitamins. Maybe more a lack of resources than of training. Unfortunately but predictably, their patients and themselves were not so lucky…

  29. #29 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 6, 2014

    NEVER FORGET!

    CDC data statistics:
    “Autism on the Rise”
    “This chart shows the cumulative growth rate of the number of children ages 6-22 with autism from 1993 – 2006 in the United States and outlying areas, compared to all disabilities, including autism. The data show a 1,342 % cumulative growth rate of autism over that time period.”

    “1993 Autism: 23% All disabilities 3%
    1994 Au. 45% A.D. 6%
    1995 Au. 87% A.D. 10%
    1996 121% 13%
    1997 173% 17%
    1998 247% 20%
    1999 324% 23%
    2000 411% 25%
    2001 533% 27%
    2002 662% 29%
    2003 805% 31%
    2004 971% 32%
    2005 1,145% 32%
    2006 1,342% 31%”\
    Data: http://www.ideadata.org and cdc.gov/nchs”

    Remember, the new vaccine schedule for babies/children began in 1986. In the year 2000, the CDC showed no preference for purchasing vaccines with or without Thimerosal. There is still no Federal government ban on Thimerosal containing vaccines.

    Related:
    “Trends in the Prevalence of Developmental Disabilities in U.S. Children, 1997-2008″

    The paper not only revealed that one in six children across America suffered from a developmental disability in 2006 2008, but the rate of parent reported developmental disabilities in their children had increased 17.1% from 1997 to 2008.

    Worse, in the 12 – year period, the prevalence of autism increased NEARLY 300% (289.5%).”
    http://www.thedailysheeple.com
    “Did you know? 1 in 6 Children Now has a Developmental Disability in the U.S.”

  30. #30 Calli Arcale
    http://fractalwonder.wordpress.com
    October 6, 2014

    “There is still no Federal government ban on Thimerosal containing vaccines.”

    Given that the only remaining vaccine for children in the US that contains thimerosal is influenza and the CDC recommends the thimerosal-free live virus version for children, exactly what point do you think a ban would have, Toto?

  31. #31 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 6, 2014

    “Methodological Issues and Evidence of Malfeasance in Research Purporting to Show Thimerosal in Vaccines Is Safe”

    “There are over 165 studies that have focused on Thimerosal, an organic-mercury (Hg) based compound, used as a preservative in many childhood vaccines, and found it to be harmful. Of these, 16 were conducted to specifically examine the effects of Thimerosal on human infants or children with reported outcomes of death; acrodynia; poisoning; allergic reaction; malformations; auto-immune reaction; Well’s syndrome; developmental delay; and neurodevelopmental disorders, including tics, speech delay, language delay, attention deficit disorder, and autism. In contrast, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states that Thimerosal is safe and there is “no relationship between [T]himerosal[-]containing vaccines and autism rates in children.” This is puzzling because, in a study conducted directly by CDC epidemiologists, a 7.6-fold increased risk of autism from exposure to Thimerosal during infancy was found. The CDC’s current stance that Thimerosal is safe and that there is no relationship between Thimerosal and autism is based on six specific published epidemiological studies coauthored and sponsored by the CDC. The purpose of this review is to examine these six publications and analyze possible reasons why their published outcomes are so different from the results of investigations by multiple independent research groups over the past 75+ years.”
    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/247218/

    “CDC’s Vaccine Safety Research is Exposed as Flawed and Falsified in Peer-Reviewed Scientific Journal
    Substantial Scientific Evidence Exists that Vaccine Ingredient is a Developmental Neurotoxin”
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cdcs-vaccine-safety-research-exposed-115600020.html

  32. #32 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 6, 2014

    @Calli Arcale
    “Given that the only remaining vaccine for children in the US that contains thimerosal is influenza and the CDC recommends the thimerosal-free live virus version for children, exactly what point do you think a ban would have, Toto?”

    Those same vaccines are still available with Thimerosal. These are the vaccines sent to Africa. There is no law preventing a U.S. clinic from dispensing vaccines from a 10 dose Thimerosal containing vial. Parents must know to ask for Thimerosal-free. A clinic can say they there is none in stock and offer the one with Thimerosal. There is no law against this. What do they keep in the CDC stockpile?
    The 2000 Simpsonwood Transcripts discuss this issue in detail:
    http://skeptico.blogs.com/Simpsonwood_Transcript.pdf

  33. #33 Lawrence
    October 6, 2014

    Not only children, but also pregnant women as well – less than 50% of flu vaccines in the US contain Thimerosal & exactly 0% in those given to children or pregnant women.

    Why are anti-vax screwheads so stupid?

  34. #34 herr doktor bimler
    October 6, 2014

    Furthermore, unless you are willing to disclose your real name for your rather unbelievable vaccine injuries you claim happened to your children

    The theory seems to be that no-one should mention Toto’s children because PRIVACY; unless Toto wants to use them to win some kind of rhetorical point, in which case they are a legitimate weapon.

  35. #35 Narad
    October 6, 2014

    Given that the only remaining vaccine for children in the US that contains thimerosal is influenza and the CDC recommends the thimerosal-free live virus version for children

    Sadly, my pharmacist only had single-dose vials of Fluzone QIV. My arm is still a tad sore after three days, though.

  36. #36 Narad
    October 6, 2014

    “After Health and Human Services rejected Hooker’s appeal, he filed suit in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. He says that inapplicable FOIA exemptions amount to bad faith.”

    If you had actually read the Courthouse News item for comprehension, you’d see that that case, which stemmed from 10-year-old FOIA requests, had nothing to do with the DeStefano data, but rather thimerosal.

    Don’t believe me? Go read the complaint.

  37. #37 Narad
    October 6, 2014

    This Supreme Court ruling is horrifying and evil. The Creator’s INFORMATION rides on the DNA molecules. God has copyrighted it.

    Great, you don’t know the difference between a patent and a copyright or what cDNA is.

  38. #38 herr doktor bimler
    October 6, 2014

    “Methodological Issues and Evidence of Malfeasance in Research Purporting to Show Thimerosal in Vaccines Is Safe”

    Ah, so Brian Hooker, Boyd Haley, and the Geiers are reduced to paying to be published in a quackademic vanity press. There is progress.

  39. #39 herr doktor bimler
    October 6, 2014

    What do they keep in the CDC stockpile?
    All the alien bodies that spill over from Warehouse 13.

  40. #40 Narad
    October 6, 2014

    Ah, so Brian Hooker, Boyd Haley, and the Geiers are reduced to paying to be published in a quackademic vanity press.

    Yes, but it’s… a special issue!

    Oddly, it doesn’t seem to be living up to its putative promise. As I’ve already noted, it mysteriously took three months to be “peer reviewed” and accepted without revision:

    Received 15 February 2014; Accepted 12 May 2014; Published 4 June 2014

  41. #41 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 6, 2014

    MORE ABOUT MEASLES
    “By the late 1950s, even before the introduction of measles vaccine, measles-related deaths and case fatality rates in the United States had decreased markedly, pre- sumably as a result of improvement in health care and nutrition. From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 mea- sles-related deaths were reported each year (∼1 death/ 1000 reported cases), compared with an average of 5300 measles-related deaths during 1912–1916 (26 deaths/ 1000 reported cases) [2]. …. As a result of measles virus infections, an average of 150,000 patients had respiratory complica- tions and 4000 patients had encephalitis each year; the latter was associated with a high risk of neurological sequelae and death.”
    http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.full.pdf

    The key word is ENCEPHALITIS. It sounds eerily like AUTISM:
    “SSPE: a Chronic Encephalitis as a Result of Measles”
    http://www.encephalitis.info/files/5413/4012/7902/FS_004V1.pdf
    Read the whole article.

    Now read a description of Hannah Poling’s landmark Vaccine Court case:
    http://vran.org/in-the-news/the-hannah-poling-case-the-us-government-concedes-vaccine-autism-link/
    “In a matter of months after being injected with 9 vaccines in one day (including MMR), Hannah began exhibiting the repetitive behaviors and social withdrawal that typifies autism. “Something happened after the vaccines’” says her mother, Terry Poling, who is a registered nurse and an attorney. “She just deteriorated and never came back.”

    The government in Hannah Poling’s case, insists she had a pre-existing “mitochondrial disorder” that made her vulnerable to the encephalitis which resulted in brain injury, which then led to her “autism-like” disorder. This “blame the victim” strategy implies that the genetically defective child is to blame for the vaccine reactions that led to her autism.”

    Comment: The “mitochondrial disorder” has been associated with an inability to excrete vaccine mercury. She was vaccinated before the gradual removal of Thimerosal from some vaccines. Ethyl mercury is a known neurotoxin. Her three month set of vaccines would have contained mercury.
    Measles can cause encephalitis.

    Some interesting facts about the MMR:

    Beyond the failure of MMR vaccine to deliver the empty promise of lifelong immunity, health officials prefer to keep a tight lid on the collateral damage inflicted by the vaccine. Data compiled by the National Vaccine Information Center from government sources in the U.S. reveals the following disturbing statistics:

    In the U.S. as of July 9, 2012 there have been 6,058 serious adverse events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in connection with measles vaccine since 1990, with over half of those occurring in children 3 and under.

    As of March 1, 2012, there have been 898 claims filed in the U.S. federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) for injuries and deaths following MMR vaccination, including 56 deaths and 842 serious injuries,
    There have also been 288 deaths reported to VAERS in association with the MMR vaccine. However, the numbers of vaccine-related injuries and deaths reported to VAERS may not reflect the true number of serious health problems that occur develop after MMR vaccination.

    Common side effects from the MMR vaccine include low-grade fever, skin rash, itching, hives, swelling, reddening of skin, and weakness. Reported serious adverse reactions following MMR vaccination include SEIZURES, BRAIN INFLAMMATION and ENCEPHALOPATHY; thrombocytopenia; joint, muscle and nerve pain; GASTROINTESTINAL DISORDERS; measles like rash; conjunctivitis and other serious health problems.”
    http://vran.org/in-the-news/measles-what-health-officials-arent-telling-you/

  42. #42 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 6, 2014

    “Open access publishing proposes a relatively new model for scholarly journal publishing that provides immediate, worldwide, barrier-free access to the full-text of all published articles. Open access allows all interested readers to view, download, print, and redistribute any article without a subscription, enabling far greater distribution of an author’s work than the traditional subscription-based publishing model. Many authors in a variety of fields have begun to realize the benefits that open access publishing can provide in terms of increasing the impact of their work.

    In an open access model, the publication costs of an article are paid from an author’s research budget, or by their supporting institution, in the form of Article Processing Charges. These Article Processing Charges replace subscription charges and allow publishers to make the full-text of every published article freely available to all interested readers. In addition, authors who publish in our open access journals retain the copyright of their work”

    THIS IS A GREAT 21st CENTURY FORMAT!
    Any citizen can read the research for themselves. Monopolists lose control over who gets published. This is Democracy at work.
    It is interesting that “Yahoo” picked up this article and posted it under FINANCE. LOL! Need I say more?

  43. #43 Narad
    October 6, 2014

    THIS IS A GREAT 21st CENTURY FORMAT!

    I take it that OA is a novelty to you. I doubt that it is to most everyone else around here. It’s hardly a panacea for the failings of for-profit journals megapublishers such as Elsevier.

    It is interesting that “Yahoo” picked up this article and posted it under FINANCE. LOL! Need I say more?

    Yes, given that Yahoo is prima facie uninteresting and you haven’t said anything at all.

  44. #44 Narad
    October 6, 2014

    The key word is ENCEPHALITIS. It sounds eerily like AUTISM:
    “SSPE: a Chronic Encephalitis as a Result of Measles”

    Toto, your bag of available cut-and-paste posts must be getting pretty light. Would you like to elucidate the “eery” similarity between SSPE and autistic disorder?

    You can start with the case-fatality ratio.

    Yours in Psalm 7,
    Narad

  45. #45 Toto
    October 6, 2014

    “Great, you don’t know the difference between a patent and a copyright or what cDNA is.”

    My statement stands. They presume to steal INFORMATION from God. Information is copyrighted. They REMOVED the non-information part of the DNA (introns) and claimed they had created a new INVENTION (exons only). This rivals the PRIDE of Satan.

    Copyrighted book = DNA
    blank pages = intron
    cDNA= Copyrighted book with blank pages removed

    “The RNA that is TRANSCRIBED has some sequences that will be TRANSLATED into proteins (exons) and others that must be spliced away (introns).”

    “This cleaned-up, exon-only DNA is called cDNA. To make it, scientists take the fully spliced RNA and “reverse TRANSCRIBE” it. That’s exactly what it sounds like: The INFORMATION in the RNA is converted back into DNA form without the original introns.”

    “The focus on cDNA is particularly frustrating because the difference between cDNA and natural DNA is a purely technical matter. As some of the amici curiae pointed out, the INFORMATION CONTENT is the real issue. In his amicus brief, James Watson, the co-discoverer of the structure of DNA, uses the word “information” dozens of times but doesn’t mention cDNA once. cDNA is a tool, and barring its use is entirely arbitrary. The INFORMATION content of the genes is what the patents should or should not cover.”
    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/06/supreme_court_patent_case_science_the_justices_misunderstand_molecular_biology.html

    Yes. But they forget who the AUTHOR of that information is…GOD. DNA is copyrighted not PATENTED.

  46. #46 Toto
    October 6, 2014

    @Narad

    Would you post one of your peer reviewed articles?

  47. #47 herr doktor bimler
    October 6, 2014

    Yahoo” picked up this article and posted it under FINANCE.
    They did not “pick up an article”. They were sent a press release, which they ran to fill space, that being the Yahoo business model.

    Need I say more?
    It would certainly be difficult to say less.

  48. #48 Toto
    October 6, 2014

    Being an Ebola suspect has a silver lining:

    ” A homeless Dallas panhandler who rode in the same ambulance after Duncan has been found after an extensive manhunt. The 52-year-old man — who city officials identified as Michael Lively — was admitted to Parkland Memorial Hospital Sunday afternoon after being taken into custody by Dallas police officers. County Judge Clay Jenkins said he was taken to the hospital’s psychiatric ward, WFAA-TV in Dallas reports.”

    A CLEAN HOSPITAL BED, SURROUNDED BY NICE NURSES AND NEW FRIENDS SURE BEATS LIVING ON THE STREETS!
    FREE FOOD AND RENT FOR 21 DAYS!
    http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12534

  49. #49 Toto
    October 6, 2014

    The Ebola test: let the test’s inventor speak
    by Jon Rappoport
    “With regard to the viral-load tests, which attempt to use PCR for counting viruses, Mullis has stated: ‘Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron.’ PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers. Although there is a common misimpression that the viral-load tests actually count the number of viruses in the blood, these tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all; they can only detect proteins that are believed, in some cases wrongly, to be unique to HIV. The tests can detect genetic sequences of viruses, but not viruses themselves.”
    http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com

  50. #50 LouV
    France
    October 7, 2014

    #231 :
    “Methodological Issues and Evidence of Malfeasance in Research Purporting to Show Thimerosal in Vaccines Is Safe”
    http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/antivaccination-cults-idea-constitutes-peer-reviewed/

    #232 : Simpsonwood has been discussed too many times to count on this very blog. Hell, the blog you linked it from (Skeptico) tore it to pieces too ! Don’t you fear the version you are linking us too has been altered by the “Big Pharma shill” running this blog ? 😀
    http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/06/robert_f_kenned.html

    The Hannah Poling case has been discussed too.

    Oh and by the way :
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_times
    “Congrats” for being one of the worst cases I have seen in a long time.

  51. #51 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 7, 2014

    LouV
    And your point?
    Anyone who reads the docs/articles I posted sees you for the blathering idiot that you are. Big Pharma is wasting money on you. LOL!

  52. #52 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 7, 2014

    @LouV
    BTW, The Simpsonwood document is a TRANSCRIPT of a “secret” meeting called by Dr. Walter Orenstein (CDC employee at the time). It is what it is.
    It IS an ongoing headache for vaccine shills.
    The only reason Skeptico linked to it was that the anti-vaxxer’s obtained the document FIRST, through FOIA.
    It’s called LIE control. LOL! Their blathering “article” had nothing to do with the actual contents of the document. It was already out there, so they hoped the feeble minded sheep would read their article only, and not do the required fact checking by reading the PRIMARY SOURCE for themselves.

  53. #53 Julian Frost
    Gauteng East Rand
    October 7, 2014

    Toto, if you believe what you wrote in #252, you’re delusional.

  54. #54 Toto
    My Happy Place!
    October 7, 2014

    @Frosty

    At 10 cents/word, you just earned $1.00. I guess paid shills have no standard regarding CONTENT. Sounds like a DREAM JOB.

  55. #55 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 7, 2014

    FRAUD?
    “Fed. R. Civ. P. 9(b) states “[i]n alleging fraud or mistake, a party must state with particularity the circumstances constituting fraud or mistake. Malice, intent, knowledge, and other conditions of a person’s mind may be alleged generally.” Fed .R. Civ. P. 9(b). The aim of this heightened pleading standard is “to place the defendants on notice of the precise misconduct with which they are charged, and to safeguard defendants against spurious charges of immoral and fraudulent behavior.” Seville Indus. Mach. Corp. v. Southmost Mach. Corp., 742 F.2d 786, 791 (3d Cir.1984). This standard “requires, at a minimum, that plaintiffs support their allegations of . . . fraud with all of the essential factual background . . . that is, the who, what, when, where and how of the events at issue.” United States of America ex rel. Ronald J. Streck v.
    8
    Allergan, Inc., 894 F. Supp.2d 584, 601 (E.D. Pa. 2012) (citing In re Rockefeller Ctr. Props., Inc. Sec. Litig., 311 F.3d 198, 217 (3d Cir. 2002)).2”
    http://business.cch.com/ald/USMerck952014.pdf

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-AUGUST 27,2014

    STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

    “My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and
    Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

    I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed…..
    My concern has been the decision to omit relevant findings in a particular study for a particular sub­ group for a particular vaccine. There have always been recognized risks for vaccination and I believe it is the responsibility of the CDC to properly convey the risks associated with receipt of those vaccines…..”
    http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

  56. #56 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 7, 2014

    Ebo History
    Very informative….
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3035551/

  57. #57 Kelly M Bray
    October 8, 2014

    Great….I live South of Jay Gordon, North of Bob Sears, and right smack next to Orange County.

    Get me outta here!!

  58. #58 Kelly M Bray
    October 8, 2014

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Simpsonwood_CDC_conference

    Yep, that’s really a big secret. Dorothy is calling and she wants you to explain the mess you left on the carpet.

  59. #59 Helianthus
    October 8, 2014

    Ebo History
    Very informative….
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3035551/

    A very interesting article indeed.
    But the point of bringing it into the current discussion is?

  60. #60 Narad
    October 8, 2014

    FRAUD?

    Do you actually have something to say for yourself about Krahling and Wlochowski, as opposed to random cutting and pasting from the complaint (which was unsealed after the DOJ looked at the underlying allegations for two years and found nothing sufficiently compelling)?

    You do realize that K&W are in it for the money, right?

  61. #61 Narad
    October 8, 2014

    Ebo History
    Very informative….

    Except for the part where you still, despite having been advised already, were too slothful to consider the possibility that SUDV ≠ EBOV.

  62. #62 LouV
    France
    October 8, 2014

    @Toto @251 :
    My point is the only thing you are demonstrating is that you are late to the party.
    You post these docs as if we have never heard of them and don’t adress the truckload of criticisms that ensued when they were discussed on this blog and elsewhere.
    So no, simply posting these doc is not sufficient.

  63. #63 Narad
    October 8, 2014

    “My name is William Thompson…. I have had many discussions with Dr. Brian Hooker over the last 10 months…. I was not, however, aware that he was recording any of our conversations, nor was I given any choice regarding whether my name would be made public or my voice would be put on the Internet.

    FTFY, Totoonces.

  64. #64 Narad
    October 8, 2014

    PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers.

    Ah, yes, Rappoport, whose “nomorefakenews” coughed up the utterly fake news about Thompson’s being escorted from the CDC grounds.

    So, here’s the thing, Toto: Mullis was yammering about HIV viral loads. Set aside the question whether this ancient comment (which could use an attestation, BTW) made sense at the time, since it’s long since been made false. Please answer a simple question:

    What does it have to do with EBOV diagnoses?

  65. #65 herr doktor bimler
    October 8, 2014

    this ancient comment (which could use an attestation, BTW)

    What are the odds that Toto is an AIDS denialist as well as everything else?

  66. #66 Krebiozen
    October 8, 2014

    It IS an ongoing headache for vaccine shills.

    It’s an ongoing source of amusement to me. Only someone with no understanding of the issues involved (or with some sort of delusional perceptual filters), would see anything at all sinister in the Simpsonwood transcript. I find it very reassuring that scientists had such a frank and open discussion about thimerosal in vaccines and its possible effects.

  67. #67 Chris Hickie
    October 8, 2014

    Toto needs a doggy downer.

  68. #68 Orac
    October 8, 2014

    Toto IS a doggy downer.

  69. #69 Militant Agnostic
    October 8, 2014

    HDB

    What are the odds that Toto is an AIDS denialist as well as everything else?

    I would put even money on him being a relativity denialist and for short odds on him being a geocentrist. Hell, for long odds I would put money on Flat Earther.

  70. #70 Toto
    CDC Ebolazone
    October 8, 2014

    @Narad
    “I was not, however, aware that he was recording any of our conversations, nor was I given any choice regarding whether my name would be made public or my voice would be put on the Internet.”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGOtDVilkUc

    If what is on the video is SLANDER and patent LIES, then WHERE ARE THE LAWSUITS AGAINST WAKEFIELD AND HOOKER?
    We KNOW they would go after Wakefield for just about ANY reason. LOL!

  71. #71 palindrom
    October 8, 2014

    Militant @269 —

    I would put even money on him being a relativity denialist

    Please enlighten me — is relativity denialism is strongly associated with antivax lunacy for some reason, or does it just come with the cranky territory?

    It’s amazing to me how the curious and the kooky so often feel impelled to take issue with a simple and elegant fix to some paradoxes in classical electromagnetism.

  72. #72 herr doktor bimler
    October 8, 2014

    Perhaps there are two Totos, There was the Very Serious one earlier in the thread, demanding JUSTICE for the perpetrators of the vaccine injuries inflicted on his kids (because genetic conditions are a form of inferiority that only happen to other people); and then there’s the more recent one running up and down the thread in his underpants, leaving flaming bags of dog poop on doorsteps and giggling LOL a lot.

    Or else he’s just another troll.

  73. #73 Narad
    October 8, 2014

    If what is on the video is SLANDER and patent LIES, then WHERE ARE THE LAWSUITS AGAINST WAKEFIELD AND HOOKER?

    Who said anything about “slander”? Thompson, though his attorneys, was merely stating that Hooker and, later, Wakefield’s “production company” had exploited and crapped all over him.

    We KNOW they would go after Wakefield for just about ANY reason. LOL!

    Who’s the “they” that is “going after” Wakefraud for this reason? You’re the one frothing about “slander.” All I see is people pointing out that Wakefraud, as a result of this stunt, has proved to be an opportunist scumbag who managed to hitch his wagon to Hooker’s willingness to sleazily betray Thompson’s trust.

  74. #74 palindrom
    October 8, 2014

    Narad @273 — Wakefield? An opportunistic scumbag?

    I’m reminded of an old parody of “Psychology Today”, which satirized its pretentious restatements of the obvious through such imagined articles as “Religious Orientation of the Pontiff”, and “Ursine Defecation Habits.”.

  75. #75 brian
    October 8, 2014

    DW @193

    OK, I channeled you when I visited Jake’s blog today.

    A few things stood out:

    (1) When Lawrence asked Jacob Crosby, MPH, “Hooker should have received the results of the investigation [about the retraction of Hooker’s paper]– why don’t you ask him?” Jake responded with the remarkably puerile, “Who says I didn’t make any inquiries?”

    (2) Lawrence then noted that “that’s not much of a “journalistic” answer…..if you made inquiries, then you should report the results of those inquiries.” Channeling his inner child, Jake responded, “And who says I won’t?”

    (3) Further down thread, four days later, Jake Crosby, MPH noted, “I am reaching out to [Hooker].”

    That’s the sort of journalism that’s reminiscent of the days when Woodward and Bernstein were about seven years old, and not pathetic.

  76. #76 Narad
    October 8, 2014

    I channeled you when I visited Jake’s blog today.

    I’ve been mulling over whether to ask Jake about Hooker’s failure to conform to multiple elements of the STROBE guidelines, but I think I just don’t have the energy to complete the follow-through. I may have tipped him off to COPE in the first place.

  77. #77 Narad
    October 8, 2014

    ^ Context-corrected blockquote:

    DW @193

    OK, I channeled you when I visited Jake’s blog today.

  78. #78 Denice Walter
    October 8, 2014

    @ brian:

    It’s nice to channelled. I think.

    Jake often behaves and writes in ways that are quite disturbing to me: he’s so rigid, seemingly unaware of other people’s existence and intolerant of any disagreement from his own point of view. He’s oddly cold and mechanical. There’s something else but it’s hard to put my finger on it directly- seriously I’ve only had a drink and a half.

    @ Narad:

    Your performance chez Jake is spectacular.

  79. #79 Todd W.
    http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com
    October 8, 2014

    @Denice Walter

    The way Jake argues about “guidelines are guidelines” does seem overly rigid. I can imagine a scenario in which an author made everything up out of whole cloth. If the journal retracted it for, I don’t know, a change in authorship, I imagine Jake would be arguing that the study should not have been retracted at all, even after it’s pointed out to him that it was completely fabricated.

    “They didn’t say anything about everything being made up, so they shouldn’t have retracted it,” he’d say. I don’t think that he’d even concede that there was a legitimate reason to retract the study.

  80. #80 Narad
    October 9, 2014

    There’s something else but it’s hard to put my finger on it directly- seriously I’ve only had a drink and a half.

    I will reiterate that his initial point about TN simply yanking the paper was, as far as I’m concerned, 100% sound. It’s unfortunate that this turned into target-of-opportunity frothing, but I would not rule out the possibility that Jake’s beating this drum ultimately had something to do with getting TN to get their act together as far as handling formal expressions of concern.

  81. #81 Krebiozen
    October 9, 2014

    Would anyone with a more robust understanding of statistic than I possess care to comment on Jakes’ explanation of why Orac’s and Jim Frost’s eviscerations of Hooker’s study are faulty? I believe the main problems are that Hooker used data from a case control study, which means the control group was not randomly selected, and could be affected by confounders if treated as if it were as Hooker did. This alone makes his reanalysis invalid. He also failed to correct his cut-off points for statistical significance for multiple comparisons, and failed to to correct for birth weight – simply removing those children with low birth weight from the dataset doesn’t remove the confounder, it just reduces its effect somewhat. Does that sound about right?

  82. #82 herr doktor bimler
    October 9, 2014

    Please enlighten me — is relativity denialism is strongly associated with antivax lunacy for some reason, or does it just come with the cranky territory?
    It’s amazing to me how the curious and the kooky so often feel impelled to take issue with a simple and elegant fix to some paradoxes in classical electromagnetism.

    Once you have slipped the surly bonds of Earth, there is really no limit on what you can believe. But that only describes the How of crank magnetism, and does not address the question of Why, and Which.

    I suspect that Oppositional Defiance is involved, and also a sense of intellectual superiority over the little-brained Sheeple (or at least the desire for such a sense). Given those two, the knowledge that the majority of scientists accept theory X is enough to inspire a believe in Not-X.
    Hence the “human biodiversity” racial-superiority loons (feeling superior to all the anthropologists and paleontologist who are in thrall to political soundness), who are also AGW-denialists AND HIV-denialists AND Ebola-denialists AND yadda yadda. Each rejection of received wisdom feeds into their Esteem-engines.

  83. #83 Narad
    October 9, 2014

    Would anyone with a more robust understanding of statistic than I possess care to comment on Jakes’ explanation of why Orac’s and Jim Frost’s eviscerations of Hooker’s study are faulty?

    I sorely doubt that I have a more robust understanding of statistics as far as things go around here, but I’ve at least been meaning to run down the references in this. (Knowledge of true prevalence is assumed, so the details aren’t directly applicable to a vax/unvax study, which is why I was looking in the first place.)

    I believe the main problems are that Hooker used data from a case control study, which means the control group was not randomly selected, and could be affected by confounders if treated as if it were as Hooker did.

    Hooker was definitely stuck with what the design allowed. Jake’s ship, though, appears to founder promptly:

    “So Hooker conducted a simple analysis to quantify that risk among that particular subgroup of study participants to see if the results supported what the whistleblower was saying. In doing so, he stratified for all the key variables, and the results were significant despite being found in arguably small groups.”

    Hooker was so far from “stratifying for” “all the key variables” (viz., the lone target) that he was comfortable with simply truncating a “stratum” to something something that-looks-like-enough for Table 4.

    This table, though, is just a throwaway embellishment based on the birth-certificate sample. I think he recognized the confounder and simply hoped that nobody would notice the half-finished Windolene.

    Flaws in Jake’s apologetics for Hooker, of course, are different from flaws in the TN paper itself.

  84. #84 Helianthus
    October 10, 2014

    We KNOW they would go after Wakefield for just about ANY reason.

    Yeah, Wakefield is so a martyr. That he did for his now-retracted Lancet article was just probing young children without a sound medical reason and “adjusting” the dates when quoting medical reports, so a few onsets of autism would appear to have happened soon after MMR vaccination, rather than before. Among other things.
    Really no reason at all to be upset with him.

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