As I write this, the 2016 Election is lurching painfully to its conclusion, with about a week to go. In my entire adult life, dating back to when I first reached the age where I started paying attention to politics in the late 1970s, I cannot remember a more bizarre or painful election, nor can I remember an election in which one possible outcome actually terrifies me. I’m referring to the possibility of Donald Trump becoming our next President. I’ve made no secret of my contempt for his xenophobia, his blatant sexism and misogyny, his change from using racist dog whistles to racist bullhorns, his utter lack of qualifications, his temperament that is totally unfit to be President, and his generally vile personality.

I haven’t really written much about the political reasons that I oppose Trump, but I have written quite a bit about one medical and scientific reason. With one week to go before this election chugs painfully to its freak show conclusion, I was reminded of this just yesterday and figured, what the heck? I really should take one last opportunity to write about this in light of a post that I saw last night, which led me to some Facebook postings by antivaccinationists about Trump.

If there’s one thing you might not realize, it’s that antivaccinationists (at least many of them) love Donald Trump. Love him. For example, our good buddy and antivaccine conspiracy theorist, Jake Crosby, whom I like to refer to as Young Master Crosby (or, if I’m on Twitter, The Gnat), has been posting Hillary for Prison graphics, urging people to donate to the Trump campaign, and generally worshiping the ground Donald Trump walks on. Elsewhere, a man every bit as deranged as The Gnat, Mike Adams, has been delivering a steady stream of pro-Trump propaganda, along with his other pseudoscience, quackery, and lies, for several months now. More recently, the Grand Poobah of the Antivaccine Movement himself, the man who almost singlehandedly brought measles back to the UK by using a crappy fraudulent case report to frighten parents with the lie that the MMR vaccine causes autism, Andrew Wakefield, has stated that this is a “one issue” election:

To be honest, I have a hard time believing that Andrew Wakefield is so stupid that he’d be repeating the utterly risible claim that by 2032 one out of two children will have autism and that the pharmaceutical industry and government somehow want this? Does Wakefield have any self-awareness? Does he have a clue just how stupid that sounds? He probably does, but it’s all about the con, and the antivaccine activists he’s addressing actually believe such flagrant nonsense. In any case, Wakefield strongly endorsed Donald Trump because Trump believes that vaccines cause autism. In fact, he claims to have met with Donald Trump and that Trump told him he’s on Wakefield’s (and, by extension, the antivaccinationists’) side. He then lays down an even bigger whopper, claiming that, if Hillary Clinton is elected President, within two years there will be mandatory vaccination nationwide. Clearly, either Wakefield doesn’t know how our federalist system operates and that it is the states, not the federal government, that determine school vaccination requirements, or he doesn’t care. I suspect the latter. Again, Wakefield is not stupid. He is a liar. But who knows? To be able to make such ridiculously over-the-top claims, he must be, in my opinion, either stupid or lying. Take your pick.

Either way, that Andrew Wakefield supports Donald Trump (even though, as a British citizen, he can’t vote in our election) is not surprising. Donald Trump has been spouting antivaccine tropes, pseudoscience, and nonsense for a long time now. What was far more disturbing to me is that in the video Wakefield claimed to have met with Trump a couple of days before to discuss vaccines and autism. That’s right. If Wakefield is to be believed, the foremost antivaccine conspiracy theorist in the world, who made what is currently the most paranoid conspiracy theory “documentary” right now, met with a major party candidate for President, who told him he shares his views. That frightens me, and it should frighten you, too.

To give you a little more background, I’ve documented Donald Trump’s antivaccine views for a long time now. The first time I took notice of Trump spouting off about vaccines causing autism was in 2007, when he was quoted in an interview saying:

“When I was growing up, autism wasn’t really a factor,” Trump said. “And now all of a sudden, it’s an epidemic. Everybody has their theory. My theory, and I study it because I have young children, my theory is the shots. We’ve giving these massive injections at one time, and I really think it does something to the children.”

And:

“When a little baby that weighs 20 pounds and 30 pounds gets pumped with 10 and 20 shots at one time, with one injection that’s a giant injection, I personally think that has something to do with it. Now there’s a group that agrees with that and there’s a group that doesn’t agree with that.”

He was also quoted in 2012 blaming a “monster shot” causing autism:

They go in and they get this monster shot. I mean, have you ever seen the size of it? It’s like they’re pumping in–you know, it’s terrible, the amount. And they pump this in to this little body, and then all of a sudden the child is different a month later, and I strongly believe that’s it. They should have vaccinations, but do them separately and over an extended period of time, not all at one time.

Then, of course, he’s been seen on Twitter many times posting pure antivaccine pseudoscience, as I documented last year:

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

No wonder antivaccine loons love Donald Trump. It’s not my intention to rehash all the times that Donald Trump has spewed antivaccine idiocy hither, thither, and yon. There are simply too many examples over too long a period of time. Indeed, given how many times Donald Trump has changed positions on so many other issues, I can’t help but point out one last time that antivaccine pseudoscience is probably the one position that he’s been utterly consistent about for at least a decade.

Which brings me back to Andrew Wakefield’s claim. Did Donald Trump really meet with Andrew Wakefield, the disgraced UK surgeon and researcher who was struck off and whose research leading to his infamous 1998 case series in The Lancet implicating MMR as a risk factor for autism was shown to be fraudulent so brilliantly by Brian Deer. If, so, this would be a very disturbing development, far more disturbing than yet another insinuation about Hillary Clinton’s e-mails, as it would involve a major party candidate for President of the United States meeting with an antivaccine activist looking to bring measles back to the world. Indeed, I’m glad news of this meeting came out before the election, because, quite frankly, I find the idea of Donald Trump’s having met with an group of antivaccine conspiracy theorists and telling them he would help them if elected far more disturbing than yet another rehashed “revelation” about Clinton e-mails. Indeed, I’m surprised that news of this hasn’t been proclaimed to the antivaccine faithful before.

Our old friend, Levi Quackenboss, one of the quackiest antivaccine bloggers out there, reports that it is indeed true that Wakefield met with Trump and offers to “share” a few things about the meeting. Why did she wait until November 1, when Wakefield’s talk dates to late August and his alleged meeting with Donald Trump a couple of days before his talk? Who knows? Who cares? I’m bringing this up because it’s something that needs to be known before the election, and Quackenboss has reported on previous meetings between the antivaccine activists behind the movie VAXXED, such as Del Bigtree, and other legislators, such as Rep. Jason Chaffetz, before. Just last week, the VAXXED crew was in my state meeting with state legislators.

Here’s what Quackenboss wrote in a blog post yesterday:

The team that visited Trump last summer says that he is very consistent in his position on vaccines. He has certainly not abandoned us. They specifically talked with him about vaccine-induced autism and they report that Trump undoubtedly knows that vaccines can and do cause autism.

Trump asked the type of questions that show the depth of his knowledge of the subject, such as how the current schedule came into being and how he can change it. He is already up to speed on what is happening. He already understands the issue.

At this point, I can’t help but note that, if Trump is truly “up to speed” on issues of vaccines and autism, even if it’s to be “up to speed” enough to know what antivaccine quacks are claiming, it would be the first time he’s been up-to-speed on pretty much any policy issue. If there’s one thing that’s been consistent about Donald Trump, it’s been that he assiduously avoids anything resembling the painful nasty details of science and policy and goes with conspiracy theories. Of course, that’s why he is so dangerous and why it is so disturbing that he actually met with the VAXXED team. Remember, the movie VAXXED is basically a movie about a conspiracy theory, that of the “CDC whistleblower.” As I mentioned a couple of days ago, VAXXED, which was directed by Wakefield and produced by Del Bigtree, is a propaganda movie disguised as a documentary that is so blatant, so full of misinformation and lies, that, if she were alive today to see it, Leni Riefenstahl would say, “Dudes, that’s a bit much. You might want to tone it down a bit.” (Yes, I like to imagine Riefenstahl calling Bigtree and Wakefield “dudes,” with a thick German accent.)

Now here’s the even more disturbing part:

The most important promise came at the end of their meeting when someone said, “Donald, you are the only one who can fix this.”

And Trump said, “I will.”

He will fix this.

Fixing this is not rocket science. Hell, it’s not even vaccine science. He will fix this. It is entirely fixable, and he appreciates our advocates lending their assistance in getting it done.

Friends, we have a direct route to stopping this madness. Can you imagine that for a second? Can you just imagine having vaccine education advocates getting face-time with the person who appoints the director of the CDC?

Trump asked for a follow-up with our side. They are giving him advice on how to help us.

It’s quite possible that Quackenboss is delusional about how much sway antivaccinationists have with the Trump campaign. She’s frequently delusional about a great many things. On the other hand, politicians—and, make no mistake, Trump is now a politician—frequently tell constituents what they want to hear. Also, Trump is known for being a most talented and shameless liar. However, there is a grain of plausibility here. Trump loves conspiracy theories, and the CDC whistleblower is a doozy of a conspiracy theory. He believes Alex Jones. He Tweets conspiracy theories unaltered about a great many things. He lies. All the time. So who knows what Trump really thought meeting with Andrew Wakefield and the VAXXED crew (and whoever else came along for the ride)? If he actually watched the copy of VAXXED Quackenboss claims that he received from Wakefield, Trump would almost certainly eat it up.

So did Donald Trump meet with Andrew Wakefield? Wakefield is a liar, and Quackenboss is deluded, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t telling the truth here. They might be exaggerating or spinning or they might be deluding themselves into believing that Trump cares about their pet conspiracy theories more than he actually does, but it does appear that Trump did meet with a man who is arguably the most famous antivaccine activist in the world.

Of course, Trump has no clue about how the government works. He’s frequently blamed Hillary Clinton for not getting things done in 25 years in the federal government, seemingly not understanding that, for example, a single junior Senator can’t change the law by fiat, and even the President’s power to achieve his or her aims is constrained by Congress and the Courts. If Trump were elected and actually did follow through with the promises that Quackenboss claims he made to Wakefield, what he could achieve would be limited. He couldn’t, for example, unilaterally change the laws in 50 states mandating certain vaccinations for children entering school and daycare. He could, however, royally screw up the CDC, reversing decades of progress, by meddling in the internal affairs of the CDC and appointing a Secretary of Health and Human Services who is antivaccine-sympathetic. True, given existing law and the permanent bureaucracy of HHS and the CDC, there are limits to what he could do without changing the law, but by promoting the myth that vaccines cause autism from the White House as President of the United States, even if he ultimately produces little substantive difference in actual vaccine policy, he can still do enormous damage to public health that would take decades to reverse. Millions would believe the myth coming from the President of the United States.

That scares me almost as much as the thought of Donald Trump’s finger on the nuclear trigger.

Comments

  1. #1 Delphine
    December 22, 2016

    I’m fully aware of what adverse events means.

    Thanks for the laugh.

  2. #2 Delphine
    December 22, 2016

    1. Improved sanitation/hygiene.
    2. It was on the decline before the introduction of the vaccine.
    3. The illness isn’t that big of a deal.
    4. We all had it as kids and it was no big whoop.
    5. Nobody ever dies from it.

    You’ve got nothing in your arsenal. That’s why you leave it alone.

  3. #3 Narad
    December 22, 2016

    Yeah, they are going to figure out the “MeSH controlled vocabulary” right after they figure out what “more harm than” means. You will note, that I often do not get a valid reply with my PubMed indexed request.

    True enough, but in a Pubmed search, all but the newest papers will carry the annotation “Indexed for MEDLINE,” so the filters aren’t strictly necessary (although I find them very helpful, which is why I set up an account).

  4. #4 Narad
    December 22, 2016

    Are you aware that a court in Italy ruled the vaccine Infanrix Hexa vaccine caused a child’s autism.

    Yes. I can even tell you the name of the child’s attorney.

    In the GSK document, it shows 6 cases of autism reported during clinical trials.

    Have you gone through this 1271-page document to be able to put your statement into context? It’s kind of a pain in the ass, given that the column heads aren’t repeated at the top of each table page, but I’ll wait.

    • #5 jasryl6
      December 22, 2016

      It’s actually a simple word search. You can search “autism” and find the information.
      https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf
      I’m finished here. Maybe the rest of the people in your vaccine worship center will see this. I have done this once before, and it is amusing but time consuming. It’s like walking into a church filled with fundamentalist Christians and challenging the existence of God. So many people responding. I don’t have time to address them all. No. They haven’t proven me wrong by siting information from their own vaccine worship sites. No. The MMR hasn’t been proven safe unless you discount the thousands of parents who all have the same story of their child’s regression after the MMR or the studies that show a link. Chemmomo and Chris are taking my words out of context. Everyone is avoiding the fact that you can listen to the unedited recordings of Dr. Thompson because it is the equivalent of showing a fundamentalist Christian a fossil. This vaccine worshiping cult still keeps trying to defend the idea of injecting pregnant women with mercury. To me, that is just sick. One day, they will realize it. I have heard it all before. “correlation doesn’t equal causation”, I get it. You love vaccines. You probably can’t even acknowledge that some people are severely damaged by them. Your faith in vaccines surpasses even the very people who develop them. And, whether it’s Dr. Maurice Hilleman, Dr. William Thompson, the former FDA official who said flu vaccines are worthless, or any of the doctors in the vaxxed videos….whoever it is, it doesn’t matter. Once they question the vaccines, they are dismissed as antivaxxers. If this cult following at scienceblogs celebrates Christmas, then Merry Christmas! Time for me to move on. I have turned off notifications. But, have fun talking among yourselves.

  5. #6 Julian Frost
    Gauteng East Rand
    December 22, 2016

    My main issue with vaccines is that they need to be made safer.

    How much safer would you like them to be? What (to you) is an acceptable ratio of shots to adverse events?

    Thimerosal needs to be removed completely. Further testing needs to be done on the MMR.

    Spoken like a true antivaxxer. Vaccines are among the most thoroughly tested medical products in existence. What level of testing would satisfy you? Oh, and most vaccines have thimerosal free versions.

    I think the schedule is way too demanding.

    “Too many too soon”. Investigated and disproven. Use the SEARCH box up top.

    What benefit does Thimerosal have other than a financial benefit to Merck? NONE.

    It allows vaccines to not need refrigeration. In fact, several organisations that supported thimerosal’s removal now say that had they known then what they now now, they would have pushed for its retention.

  6. #7 Narad
    December 22, 2016

    It allows vaccines to not need refrigeration.

    Nope, but using multidose vials does place less stress on the cold chain than single-dose units.

  7. #8 Chris
    December 22, 2016

    jasryl6: “Let’s talk about your reading comprehension. It is absolutely terrible. I never said all kids with autism are non-verbal.”

    Interesting. Lets see what you said, and these are your exact words: “Tell that to all of the non-verbal autistic kids who can’t care for themselves. According to the CDC, the risk of death from measles is 1 in 1,000. Parents used to try to get their kids the measles just like they did with the chicken pox. Autism affects as many as 1 in 48 males in the U.S.”

    Now how would a reasonable person interpret that particular arrangement of words? You are saying autism is worse than measles deaths because of some random number your read somewhere. You also very strongly implied that the number represented all autistic persons.

    Well, now you really need to provide some verifiable evidence for that number, and give more detail about what it means. Break it down what percentage of the total with an autism study are “non-verbal who can care for themselves, versus the rest. Then tell us how many of the total would have received an autism diagnosis under DSM II (1968), DSM III (1980, and DSM III-R in 1987), DSM IV (1994) and finally DSM V (2013).

    Also, for those who are diagnosed under DSM V, please tell the percent who are Level 1, Level 2 and Level 3.

    “You clearly never read the Dr. Wakefield Lancet study. The study never concluded that the MMR causes autism.”

    I did read it. Perhaps it is because Wakefield did not read his own paper, because at the press conference he told parents to use separate vaccines, without any evidence for that suggestion. And he has been playing that tune for almost twenty years. Have you even heard about his moved “VAXXED”?

    Wakefield evidence free announce that parents get single jabs had its own consequences, parents seeking separate vaccines had to go to private clinics. Before Wakefield published his paper, the UK had changed the MMR vaccines to remove those with the Urabe mumps strain (which had a higher than acceptical level of asceptic meningitis) to the Jeryl Lynn. But it was also hard to get single mumps vaccine, so some private clinics were illegally importing some with the Urabe mumps strain:
    MEDICINES CONTROL AGENCY TO OBJECT TO IMPORTATION OF UNLICENSED SINGLE URABE STRAIN MUMPS VACCINE

    “Further testing needs to be done on the MMR.”

    Why? For what? It has been used safely since 1978, that is almost forty years. You are making a claim, now support that claim. Provide the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualfied researchers than the present American MMR vaccine causes more harm than measles, mumps and rubella.

  8. #9 Narad
    December 22, 2016

    I think I get it. You are one of those “if you question any vaccine, you are automatically against every vaccine and idolize Jenny McCarthy and hate science” people.

    No, the issues are that you don’t bother to defend your assertions and that when they prove to be demonstrably wrong you just try to change to a different babbling point.

  9. #10 Narad
    December 22, 2016

    Let’s talk about your reading comprehension. It is absolutely terrible.

    The irony, it burns.

  10. #11 Chris
    December 22, 2016

    Remember, Narad, he does not click on links. Apparently he does not know the blue text goes to another website.

  11. #12 Delphine
    December 22, 2016

    I think I get it. You are one of those “if you question any vaccine, you are automatically against every vaccine and idolize Jenny McCarthy and hate science” people. It couldn’t be that I think the MMR needs further independent study, Thimerosal needs to be eliminated completely, and the schedule has gotten too demanding. Nope. Because it’s all or nothing. Right? Either you trust Merck and the CDC completely and happily inject your kids with whatever they put out. Or, you are a stupid antivaxxer.

    If the shoe fits…

  12. #13 Delphine
    December 22, 2016

    I trust my HCPs. I trust my daughter’s ped. I trust my HCP family and friends. I trust that they have my family’s best interests at hand. I’d hate to live in your world.

  13. #14 Chemmomo
    December 22, 2016

    jasryl6 @218

    I didn’t say it was the dramatic increase in the schedule (which does correlate with the rise in autism).

    But then what did you mean in #226?

    the schedule has gotten too demanding.

    Maybe you didn’t say it as explicitly before, but you have now. Did your position change between your posting those two comments?

    And, while we’re on the subject, which currently vaccine-preventable diseases do you want your children to suffer?

  14. #15 Chris
    December 22, 2016

    jasryl6: “The MMR hasn’t been proven safe unless you discount the thousands of parents who all have the same story of their child’s regression after the MMR or the studies that show a link. Chemmomo and Chris are taking my words out of context.”

    First you need to prove those thousands of parents actually exist, and are not same folks who keep repeating what they thought happened. The Autism Omnibus Proceeding was set up to deal with the five thousand who filed, so three of the best cases were brought forward. They all lost, and the others with less “evidence” were dismissed:
    http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/omnibus-autism-proceeding

    For the MMR test case, it turned out that video records showed the child had autistic behaviors before she got the vaccine. There is a link to the decisions in the link above.

    Neither Chemmomo nor I took your words out of context. I directly quoted all of the sentences where you mentioned “non-verbal”, “can’t care for themselves”, the measles deaths were one out of a thousand cases, and there are one in 48 males with autism. You put that jumble together, next time be a bit more clear.

    And still waiting for any verifiable study by qualified reputable researchers than the MMR vaccine used in the USA since 1978 causes more harm than measles, mumps and rubella.

    You have also not presented any verifiable evidence dated before 1990 that autism went up during the 1970s and 1980s with the use of the 1971 and 1978 American MMR vaccines.

    Are you even aware that there are different versions of MMR vaccines? In 1988 the UK introduced three different ones, and then in 1992 withdrew the two that had the Urabe mumps component. Which makes us wonder which MMR vaccine was Wakefield Lancet study on? One of the three that had been introduced in 1988? But why was there an American child? And did he have a plan to study the final replacement MMR vaccine that the UK introduced in 1998?

    Do you know? Do you even understand? Still, the one used in the USA is almost forty years old, plenty of time for data. So do find those PubMed indexed studies by researchers that it has caused more harm than the diseases.

  15. #16 Dangerous Bacon
    December 22, 2016

    “It’s like walking into a church filled with fundamentalist Christians and challenging the existence of God.”

    While jasryl6 considers this a devastating insult (why do you hate religion, jasryl6?), in reality the fundamentalist comparison applies nicely to a lot of antivaxers. Not only do they cling to nonsensical dogma, they actually equate their beliefs with religion. Example: the folks over at Age of Autism, who explained their banning of comments from pro-vaccine posters by saying that a church wouldn’t allow nonbelievers to come in and make fun of religion.

    As for parents deliberately trying to infect their kids with measles, I never heard of this before it was reported in the case of some modern antivaxers. Back in pre-vaccine days no one had to have a measles party or its equivalent, since the disease was so commonplace. Kids (like me) just ran the gauntlet of childhood diseases and if we and our parents were fortunate, it just meant being miserably sick and out of school for weeks (if not so lucky, it meant a trip to the hospital, long-term complications or worse).

  16. #17 Narad
    December 22, 2016

    It’s actually a simple word search. You can search “autism” and find the information.

    No, you can find the entries in the appendices. Without context, they tell you nothing whatever – not even a denominator.

    I’m finished here.

    Do stick the flounce.

    Maybe the rest of the people in your vaccine worship center will see this.

    That you’ve flounced?

    I have done this once before, and it is amusing but time consuming.

    As compared with composing content-bearing replies to your barrage of random assertions?

    It’s like walking into a church filled with fundamentalist Christians and challenging the existence of God.

    Yes, you’ve been repeating this ad nauseam. That can’t be particularly time-consuming.

    So many people responding. I don’t have time to address them all.

    .

    You haven’t cogently addressed anything. HTH. HAND.

  17. #18 Delphine
    December 22, 2016

    It’s like walking into a church filled with fundamentalist Christians and challenging the existence of God. So many people responding. I don’t have time to address them all. No. They haven’t proven me wrong by siting (sic) information from their own vaccine worship sites.

    Who the cap fit, let them wear it.

  18. #19 Chris
    December 22, 2016

    Newest flouncer: “They haven’t proven me wrong by siting information from their own vaccine worship sites.”

    Actually you were proven wrong by not providing actual data to your arguments by blatant assertion. You never gave valid answers to the requests for data to back up those assertions. But how can we expect you to provide a real citation when you cannot spell “citing” correctly?

  19. #20 Julian Frost
    Gauteng North
    December 23, 2016

    Time for me to move on.

    Typical. Antivaxxer comes in here repeating P.R.A.T.T.s we’ve seen and refuted before, gets absolutely thrashed, and flounces out.
    Oh well, there’s always another chew toy out there.

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  21. #22 Narad
    December 24, 2016

    I see that AoA is enjoying its new toy, the previously mentioned, sinister Bonferroni correction. Ergo, thimerosal increases intelligence.

  22. #23 Narad
    December 24, 2016

    ^ Ah, it’s also warmed-over.

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  25. #26 Kristina
    Budapest
    January 15, 2017

    Be careful about calling anyone a liar. It is not only libelling but unprofessional for anyone who calls him/herself a journalist. Let me inform you that I know hundreds of families whose entire life was destroyed by immense vaccination. In many cases children were videotaped or photographed before and after that. The difference is visible and shocking. If you had seen an infant like that with your eyes you would also say there sholud be more sensibly planned vaccination scheme and vaccines sholud be given later and and only one at a time. They should also be tested for safety again and some dangerous and allergic components should be removed. That’s what Andrew Wakefield and Del Bigtree’s film is campaigning for. That is the truth and I wonder if you have the sense of justice to post this uncensored.

  26. #27 Orac
    January 15, 2017

    Trump is a liar, and I can say that as much as I like to because he is President-Elect. As for Wakefield, I said he’s either stupid or a liar, take your pick.

    Also, vaccines ARE already among the most heavily tested pharmaceuticals in existence. Bigtree and Wakefield are ignorant, and their film is such a shameless piece of propaganda that it’d make Leni Reifenstahl, if she were still alive, gasp and say, “Zu viel!”

  27. #28 herr doktor bimler
    January 15, 2017

    anyone who calls him/herself a journalist.
    I can’t see anyone in this thread calling him / herself a journalist, which leaves me wondering whether Kristina is mistakenly responding to some other blog entirely.

    In many cases children were videotaped or photographed before and after that. The difference is visible and shocking.
    She also mistakenly forgot to link to the evidence for her claims.

  28. #29 Narad
    January 15, 2017

    Trump is a liar, and I can say that as much as I like to because he is President-Elect.

    Given that the proposition is easily demonstrable, the public-figure standard isn’t really needed.

  29. #30 Panacea
    January 15, 2017

    Orac, given that Mr. Wakefield has been proven to have published fraudulent research on vaccines, I think it would be quite safe to call him a liar. He’d have a hard time suing someone for defamation for calling him one over the subject given his history, even in Britain.

  30. #31 herr doktor bimler
    January 15, 2017

    [Wakefield ]’d have a hard time suing someone for defamation for calling him one over the subject given his history

    You will recall his various gestures in the direction of defamation suits, generally abandoned at the last minute coitus-interruptus-style just before an actual appearance in court, almost as if their real purpose was sucker-bait.

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  35. #36 Heather Wahlquist
    United States
    January 25, 2017

    In all my anxiety stemming from this horrible new Trump status of America, I couldn’t find one reason to like him…I searched and searched for something good about Trump -nothing. Until just now! Thank you for this article. Finally, I agree with Trump on something. I wonder what a smart person would say about you calling Trump/Wakefield a name that, instead, was your own unconscious truth slipping out for the 2nd time, the 1st being when you named yourself Orac, you Quack? Can we at least laugh at your Freudian slip moment? Or, don’t you see it occurred? Factoring in the cliche’ ‘it takes one to know one’, the probability is that you don’t. And, by the way, science or critical thinking aren’t your “thang”. Tata dummy

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