Pharyngula

I can vote for a Christian politician, no problem. I have even liked Obama’s sense of vision (although it seems he’s been a bit of a flop in execution.) His latest speech, though…

And if we’re going to do that then we first need to understand that Americans are a religious people. 90 percent of us believe in God, 70 percent affiliate themselves with an organized religion, 38 percent call themselves committed Christians, and substantially more people in America believe in angels than they do in evolution.

If a liberal Democratic politician wants to buy into the foolish idea that Christians can’t accept evolution, that it’s a good thing that more Americans believe in this insane nonsense about angels than in science, then he has lost my vote. I won’t even get into the rest of his paean to the silly goblins of faith.

Oh, please, can we someday have a freethinking politician of presidential caliber again? It’s been a long time since Lincoln.

Comments

  1. #1 PaulC
    June 30, 2006

    To repeat myself, but including cm’s point: PZ took a quote from Obama’s speech and drew two conclusions that do not follow (see above). What I want to know is what part of Obama’s statement is factually incorrect? I’m not asking rhetorically. Can anyone answer?

    Is it the precise statistics? (They sound right to me, but they may be off.) Is it the assertion that we need to understand what a majority of American’s thinks in order to succeed politically? Perhaps we can develop a highly effective political strategy by assuming that contrary to fact, Americans are mostly secular and conversant in science. Taking this quote in isolation, I can see how one might react with frustration (I do too). But I don’t see how you can disagree with it unless you really think “shoot the messenger” is a good basis for discussion.

    I don’t accuse PZ of taking the quote out of context, because it is probably more pro-religious when put in context of the rest of the speech. Here’s a thought experiment: Repeat the quote but imagine the speaker is not a Christian but an atheist (I’d say Dawkins but I’m not sure cares enough about US politics to make that realistic). Does the quote fit? Do you draw the conclusion that he thinks the situation is good?

  2. #2 Rick
    January 4, 2008

    You seculars. People of faith don’t see a contradiction between faith & science. Science isn’t proving that evolution is a fact, but you seculars want to think it does. What if science winds up proving that God does exist after all? What are you seculars going to do? Hilarious!!!!

  3. #3 rick
    April 21, 2008

    i will not vote for a pop icon like obama if not hillary it will be mccain

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