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Bill Donohue is hopping mad again — he’s got another wild hare up his butt and is fuming over another insult to his very Catholic sensibilities:

Catholic League head Bill Donohue called it “one of the worst assaults on Christian sensibilities ever”.

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The latest affront is a life-size sculpture of a naked man on a cross, made out of 200 pounds of chocolate, on display in New York just in time for Easter.

Come on, Bill, get over it. Shouldn’t Abu Ghraib have been “one of the worst assaults on Christian sensibilities ever”? How about the injustice of our war in the Iraq? What about the ongoing denial of civil rights to homosexuals? There are a lot of horrors in the world that might prompt a good Christian man to unleash his righteous fury, but a giant chocolate Jesus really isn’t one of them.

Besides, the only real dilemma here is which piece you’re going to start nibbling on first.

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Aww, somebody already ate the big bunny ears!

Comments

  1. #1 bc
    March 30, 2007

    Maybe the problem is that it shows “Jesus without a loincloth”? I mean, these conservative Christians really have a hard time thinking of Jesus having naughty bits.

  2. #2 andyo
    March 30, 2007

    There are a lot of horrors in the world that might prompt a good Christian man to unleash his righteous fury, but a giant chocolate Jesus really isn’t one of them.

    Oh, man I’m cracking up here, thanks for that. I remember a few years back when a catholic brother was talking to me and some friends about some theater burnings in Brazil at the re-opening of The Last Temptation of Christ. We were saying how zealots are crazy, when he surprised us with the argument: “it’s understandable, imagine if someone insulted your mother, wouldn’t you be as pissed?” Oh I was just a stupid teenager, but what would I have told him now…

    By the way, last word I heard from that brother (and this may be apocryphal, but its potential for hilarity if it were true is just too much to avoid telling) is that the congregation sent him to Rome, I guess the Vatican, to run some errands or something, and the guy never came back. Damn those Italian women (my best guess, come on, what else could it be?).

  3. #3 Bob ryuu
    March 30, 2007

    Didn’t Piss Chirst cause a huge ruckus? It looks really interesting though..

  4. #4 dorid
    March 30, 2007

    so, no chocolate Lamb for Easter this year?

  5. #5 zadig
    March 30, 2007

    I don’t see the problem here… Christianity is forever munching on bits of their Lord, including His body and blood, not to mention all of the symbolism of eating lamb at Easter. So now it’s chocolate… big deal.

  6. #6 Dutch Vigilante
    March 30, 2007

    Bill Donohue wouldn’t be half as angry if they had used white chocolate.

    Isn’t it silly to make this when it is going to be summer pretty soon? I mean doesn’t it melt… well -I- hope it does, I’d pay to see that.

    (My sensibilities would be under assualt since most chocolate is made from cacau(sp) which is produced by slave labour in Africa.)

  7. #7 Andrea
    March 30, 2007

    This has to be “one of the worst assaults on CHOCOLATE ever”. I’m deeply offended…

  8. #8 Rebecca Watson
    March 30, 2007

    Mmmmm, sacrilicious . . .

  9. #9 tristero
    March 30, 2007

    What makes it so offensive to Donohue is that it depicts a black Jesus.

  10. #10 Frank Anderson
    March 30, 2007

    I don’t see the problem here… Christianity is forever munching on bits of their Lord, including His body and blood, not to mention all of the symbolism of eating lamb at Easter. So now it’s chocolate… big deal.

    This was my first thought, too. For a bunch of people that claim to believe in transubstantiation, I don’t see what the big deal is. Apparently chocolate just isn’t as serious as unleavened bread…?

  11. #11 Krystalline Apostate
    March 30, 2007

    Will from hereon in be known as the Ghirardelli Heresy, & the Willy Wonka Transubstantiation.

  12. #12 Caledonian
    March 30, 2007

    It’s the similarity to actual practices that’s causing the offense in the first place.

    People tend to reject violently concepts which are almost, but not quite, the same as their own sociopolitical identification tags. If they’re too different it doesn’t register as competition/conflict and there’s no reason to respond.

  13. #13 windy
    March 30, 2007

    Remember the miraculous chocolate Virgin Mary – no one thought that was offensive. What’s the logic here? Chocolate Jesus is a product of intelligent design and chocolate Mary was a chance product of physical processes, shouldn’t religionists like the first one better? ๐Ÿ™‚

  14. #14 Elliott
    March 30, 2007

    It is certainly more tasteful, in several senses of that word, than Andres Serrano’s Piss Christ.

  15. #15 tintenfisch
    March 30, 2007

    Anybody remember the Tom Waites song “Chocolate Jesus”?

  16. #16 Scott Hatfield, OM
    March 30, 2007

    (with apologies to Hank Azaria)

    Mmmmmm…..chocolate Jesus…..(drool)

  17. #17 Carlie
    March 30, 2007

    Oh, how could you leave the title of the sculpture out? I’ve been listening to a lot of George Harrison lately, so I thought “My Sweet Lord” was especially amusing.

  18. #18 Carlie
    March 30, 2007

    And of course, the real question is how many calories are in that thing?

  19. #19 Francesco Franco
    March 30, 2007

    Yes, yes. Saw this one posted in all the Italian newspapers for some reason. Hmm…Italy, Catholicism…I wonder why??

    Anyway, it was encouraging to note that the “artist” (if that’s the right term in this case) and provocateur turns out to be an Italian-American or Italian-Canadian or whatever. The
    Vatican has yet to comment; too busy organizing anti-gay “Family Day” manifestations and trying to keep at least Italian politicians firmly under control.

  20. #20 Rey Fox
    March 30, 2007

    Scott: Dan Castellaneta is the voice of Homer.

  21. #21 Ray S
    March 30, 2007

    I was given to understand that Jesus was without sin, thus how could he have had naughty bits? Perhaps there’s some endowment jealousy at work here. But given that the Y chromosome would have come from God . . .

  22. #22 Uber
    March 30, 2007

    This Donohue fellow is a loon, plain and simple. In my view he is worse than the Dobson’s of the world by far. He is offended by anything other than total acceptence of his version of anything. You can’t offend his sensibilities simply because he is far from sensible to begin with. He is a parody of himself in the world’s fastest dying religion.

  23. #23 Paul
    March 30, 2007

    I had much the same thought as PZ, only my first example was the holocaust – they may have been Jews, but ultimately they were all God’s children (I’m told), and to kill 6 million of them would seem like a pretty big insult.

  24. #24 rrt
    March 30, 2007

    Seems to me Donohue took the bait hook, line and sinker. Or am I wrong to think that at least part of the purpose of this thing is to (somewhat eccentrically) challenge Christian grumbling over the pagan symbolism (chocolate bunnies, etc.) so heavily associated with Easter?

  25. #25 John
    March 30, 2007

    This is not something worth getting mad about, but then again, we’re talking about Bill Donahue here.

  26. #26 Cogito
    March 30, 2007

    Bill Donohue is hopping mad again — he’s got another wild hare up his butt

    Heh heh. Thanks for those awful, awful Easter puns, PZ.

    I like Caledonian’s point. I will never forget an experience in ninth grade, when I was still Catholic. Our science teacher gave a presentation on prehistoric man, and mentioned there were indications of ritualistic cannibalism. After we all went, “Ew!” he tossed in the notion that that is exactly what modern Catholics participates in every Sunday. My mind was blown. I didn’t become an atheist till about twenty years later, but I’m sure that planted a seed that was part of the process.

  27. #27 Eamon Knight
    March 30, 2007

    (Damn. Someone beat me to the joke about “Eat my body” ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I don’t get the problem with this: what’s special about stone, wood, bronze etc. that makes it OK to make crucifixes out of them, but not out of milk chocolate? (But white chocolate, now that would be blasphemous).

    Art is largely a mystery to me, but I suppose this sculpture could be taken as a statement (perhaps even a protest) on the conflation of the Christian significance of Easter with the cute-bunny-chocolate-eggs side of it.

  28. #28 The Science pundit
    March 30, 2007

    In all my years of Catholic school I was never even once told that you couldn’t eat chocolate on Lent. I don’t see the problem here.

  29. #29 thickslab
    March 30, 2007

    Would it be wrong of me to say I want to suck Chocolate Jesus’s cock?

  30. #30 tacitus
    March 30, 2007

    “All those involved are lucky that angry Christians don’t react the way extremist Muslims do when they’re offended–otherwise they may have more than their heads cut off. James Knowles, President and CEO of the Roger Smith Hotel (interestingly, he also calls himself Artist-in-Residence), should be especially grateful. And if he tries to spin this as reverential, then he should substitute Muhammad for Jesus and display him during Ramadan.

    Sigh. Donohoe is showing off his Muslim-envy again.

  31. #31 Molly, NYC
    March 30, 2007

    Bill Donohue is hopping mad again . . .

    Bill Donahue not only gets hopping mad for a living, but he figures that if he gets sufficiently and publicly pissed-off over the right trivialities, Christ will personally welcome him into heaven.

    He’s old enough, and Catholic enough, to have participated in the Feast of the Circumcision, which was a celebration of Jesus’s bris, and by extension, an acknowledgement that He had a willy. (His foreskin was also considered an important relic; up until the last century or so, Catholic lore held that the body parts of saints and Supreme Beings’ offspring didn’t deteriorate after death, so they figured it was still around, someplace.) So Donahue shouldn’t be worked up about the anatomical correctness, but I’m sure that’s a huge part of it–especially since Chocolate Jesus has a considerable package.

    (BTW–wasn’t that a Tom Waits song?)

  32. #32 J-Dog
    March 30, 2007

    So is Donohue pissed because Little Jesus is bigger than Little Bill’s or smaller?

    I think Pope Sturbanfurher Benedict needs to put Bill in the cooler. Maybe even send him to the “showers”, if you know what I mean?

  33. #33 Vitis01
    March 30, 2007

    There is a fantastic Tom Waits song on the Mule Variations album called Chocolate Jesus.

    excerpt-

    Don’t go to church on sunday
    Don’t get on my knees to pray
    Don’t memorize the books of the bible
    I got my own special way
    But I know jesus loves me
    Maybe just a little bit more

    I fall down on my knees every sunday
    At zerelda lees candy store

    Well its got to be a chocolate jesus
    Make me feel good inside
    Got to be a chocolate jesus
    Keep me satisfied

  34. #34 CalGeorge
    March 30, 2007

    I hope they are going to make an 8 oz. version. They could call it the “Word Made Chocolate Bar” or the “Take, Eat, This is My Body Bar.”

    Mommy, mommy, look, I bit off Jesus’s peepee!

  35. #35 aiabx
    March 30, 2007

    I guess Bill suffers from the same temptation that I do; sneaking in late at night, breaking off Christ’s head and eating it. I was never an “ears-first” kinda guy.

    I also thought of the Tom Waits song. I wonder if this Jesus would make a nice parfait?

  36. #36 Will E.
    March 30, 2007

    Wondering about calories? Check it out: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/opinion/chocolatejesus032807

  37. #37 Jyotsana
    March 30, 2007

    Is it hollow or solid? As a kid I always felt ripped-off by all the hollow chocolate bunnies… ๐Ÿ™‚

  38. #38 Observer
    March 30, 2007

    Caledonian said: It’s the similarity to actual practices that’s causing the offense in the first place.

    People tend to reject violently concepts which are almost, but not quite, the same as their own sociopolitical identification tags. If they’re too different it doesn’t register as competition/conflict and there’s no reason to respond.

    Yeah, and they don’t like being laughed at or parodied, although there’s tons of stuff out there, be it soap or other objects, that do this. It’s another “attack the art exhibit in Manhattan” brouha for attnention, I’m gathering.

  39. #39 spugbrap
    March 30, 2007

    On the subject of what happens when Chocolate Jesus melts… I remember seeing candles shaped like Jesus and angels, in a store, a long time ago. I couldn’t help but think that it just seemed wrong (at least for a Christian) to burn these things.

    You can’t really even consider transubstantiation, in the case of a Jesus candle, because it’s not even food. It’s wax melting into a puddle, and that sure seems like a waste of perfectly good Jesus goo.

  40. #40 Greg Peterson
    March 30, 2007

    Choco-Jesus is hung. I just hope he doesn’t get wood.

    Oh, dear. I hope that’s not in bad taste. I definitely want Jesus to taste good.

  41. #41 Blake Stacey, OM
    March 30, 2007

    Damn the Internet for making all of my jokes first! About all I have left is a memory of Bill Hicks’s Rant in E-Minor.

    I was over in Australia during Easter. It was interesting to note they celebrate Easter the same way we do — commemorating the death and resurrection of Jesus by telling our children a giant bunny rabbit. . . left chocolate eggs in the night.

    I wonder why we’re fucked up as a race.

    You know, I’ve read the Bible. I can’t find the words “bunny” or “chocolate” anywhere in the fucking book. Where do you come up with this shit? Why those two things? Why not “Goldfish left Lincoln Logs in your sock drawer”? As long as we’re making shit up, go hog wild. At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back crawling across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it!

  42. #42 Jeff
    March 30, 2007

    Hellfire would be especially useful here – Jesus fondue! I’ll bring the strawberries.

  43. #43 CalGeorge
    March 30, 2007

    Be there or be square…

    March 29, 2007
    ARTIST WANTS PUBLIC TO EAT JESUS FIGURE

    The Catholic League has learned that artist Cosimo Cavallaro has invited the public to show up at midnight on April 1 to take a bite of his 6-foot tall chocolate sculpture of a crucified Jesus with his genitals exposed; it is scheduled to be shown during Holy Week, from April 1 to April 7.

    http://www.catholicleague.org/07press_releases/quarter_1/070329_artist_wants.htm

  44. #44 Rey Fox
    March 30, 2007

    That first picture threw me for a loop, it looks more like Zombie Jesus.

    You know, one of the really nice things about being an atheist is not being slavishly beholden to symbols. Have to wonder how Bill would react if someone told him that.

  45. #45 tim gueguen
    March 30, 2007

    Seems to me having a bunch of chocolate sit unwrapped in an open area for an extended period is unhygenic even if one assumes it hasn’t been touched by the “I never wash my hands, ever” crowd. I’ll pass.

  46. #46 Eric
    March 30, 2007

    Abu Ghraib as one of the worst assaults on christian sensabilities? PLEASE. What a stupid idea. Abu Ghraib was a frat prank compared to things people have done to each other in the name of religion. Go study a history book about the crusades in the middle ages.

    The chocolate jesus figure thing is in poor taste, but thats about it. Frankly I think its irrelevant.

  47. #47 Blake Stacey, OM
    March 30, 2007

    You know, I’ve been looking for an excuse to visit New York, but Tim Gueguen has a point. I might be more in the market for bite-sized Chocolate Jesus figurines. Little. . . figurines. . . with their tiny. . . little. . . heads. . . {chomp) (mmrrgf) (mmmmm).

  48. #48 Babs
    March 30, 2007

    I don’t know why he’s so concerned about this – Jesus and the Virgin Mary show up in food all the time! He’s even shown up in a fish stick. If I were Jesus, I’d be happy to be in chocolate instead of frozen cod.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/WolfFiles/story?id=307227&page=1

  49. #49 Peter McGrath
    March 30, 2007

    That’ll be Jesus chocolatebar Joseph.

  50. #50 Sonja
    March 30, 2007

    Isn’t the really offensive thing that a major religion has a tortured, dying, naked man as its symbol?

    Whether made of solid gold or solid milk chocolate, it’s the subject matter itself that’s grotesque.

  51. #51 Richard Harris
    March 30, 2007

    Bob ryuu, (#3), I thought piss was associated with Muhammad, not Christ – you know – the prophet Muhammad, piss be upon him.

  52. #52 Mike Haubrich
    March 30, 2007

    “I don’t care if it rains or freezes
    Long as I got my chocolate Jesus…”

    Sweaty Hand Luke

  53. #53 Ithika
    March 30, 2007

    Peter McGrath:

    Go and sit in the corner and think about what you’ve done. That was awful ๐Ÿ˜‰

  54. #54 Jud
    March 30, 2007

    Wouldn’t it be the navel rather than the schlong that causes doctrinal problems?

  55. #55 Theo Bromine
    March 30, 2007

    You can’t really even consider transubstantiation, in the case of a Jesus candle, because it’s not even food. It’s wax melting into a puddle, and that sure seems like a waste of perfectly good Jesus goo.

    Speaking pedantically: there *is* transubstantiation (well, actually it’s chemistry) when a candle burns. The wax is consumed as it reacts with the oxygen in the air, producing light and heat (and buckyballs). Notice that the amount of wax left after a candle has “burned down” (ie when the wick is no longer able to conduct liquid wax to the flame) is nowhere near the amount that was in the original candle.

  56. #56 Hank Fox
    March 30, 2007

    If it’s life-sized, and weighs 200 pounds, it’s probably pretty much solid, not hollow like the chocolate Easter bunnies.

    I’ll bet anything that somewhere out there is a devout Christian outraged because this son-o-god has a NAVEL.

    I think the real sacrilege here is that it’s obviously MILK chocolate, instead of heavenly, soul-satisfying DARK.

  57. #57 BlueIndependent
    March 30, 2007

    Man is this dumb. It doesn’t even look like the common images of Jesus, save the posing of the figure in such a way that recalls Jesus on the cross. My guess is either chocolate is too difficult to form into a full head of hair and a beard, and that a loin cloth produces interesting technical challenges for the stuff.

    This is lame. Probably an artist just looking for some attention. I am surprised however that *THIS* was targeted as “one of the worst assaults on Christian sensibilities ever”. I would’ve thought the Virgin Mary smeared with feces and urine would’ve been moreso, but I guess that’s why the religion is called Christianity, not Maryianity.

  58. #58 Blake Stacey, OM
    March 30, 2007

    No no no, it’s Adam who didn’t have a navel. Jesus was conceived by God-sperm but gestated inside a young woman’s womb. He didn’t pop out of God’s thigh like a Jewish Dionysus, you know.

  59. #59 Ginger Yellow
    March 30, 2007

    You’d have thought someone like Donohue wouold be in favour of an artist bringing Easter back to the crucifixion. What the hell is there to be upset about? Seriously, what’s his fucking problem? If I were a Christian I’d be proud to have it on display.

  60. #60 The Unmitigated Gaul
    March 30, 2007

    Who is to say that the statue is meant to represent Jeebus, anyway, and not one of the millions of other poor wretches who suffered this method of torture/execution under the Assyrians, Persians, Romans and others?

    Christians seem to think that Jesus was the only person ever put to death in this manner. Sadly, that was not the case; it was an unfortunately common method of execution in the ancient world.

    Bill Donohue needs to get a frickin’ life, fer Chrissakes.

  61. #61 Colugo
    March 30, 2007

    How novel.

    cigarette Jesus
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A1002268

    Jesus in a toaster
    http://tinyurl.com/3xlhyq

    ‘forgive yourself’ Jesus
    http://www.londonist.com/archives/2006/02/review_gilbert.php

    Jesus slingshot
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ToMegaTherion.jpg

    The Onion had a masterful take on this:
    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28377/print/

    I would be more impressed if some of those now cackling over the choco-Jesus hadn’t been so gushingly sensitive and respectful when it came to relatively mild caricatures of Mohammed.

    (And if your rationale is that Christians are everywhere oppressors and Muslims are everywhere oppressed – but ask Southern Sudanese and Southern Thai Buddhists for a different opinion – recall that Muslims are also offended by disrespectful portrayals of Jesus. The playwright of gay Jesus play Corpus Cristi was the subject of a British Muslim death fatwah and Ramsey Clark had to apologize to the Muslim community when he said that Jesus would have been called a terrorist.)

  62. #62 quork
    March 30, 2007

    I think the real sacrilege here is that it’s obviously MILK chocolate, instead of heavenly, soul-satisfying DARK.

    Amen.

  63. #63 Don
    March 30, 2007

    For all those who referenced Tom;

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=1wfamPW3Eaw

  64. #64 stogoe
    March 30, 2007

    I’m glad someone corrected Scott Hatfield re: Dan Castellaneta.

  65. #65 ice weasel
    March 30, 2007

    These are same folks who find images of their holy mother on tortillas, right?

    One has to wonder when people won’t just respond to assholes like donohue with, “oh not that idiot again”.

  66. #66 James F. Trumm
    March 30, 2007

    Does Bill Donohue travel around the country looking for things to be outraged about, or does he have a staff to do that for him?

  67. #67 CalGeorge
    March 30, 2007

    Is it hollow or solid? As a kid I always felt ripped-off by all the hollow chocolate bunnies… ๐Ÿ™‚

    Jesus was such a softy. He ought to have a marshmallow center.

    That or a cherry cordial-type filling that would ooze out lusciously when he (it?) is poked in the ribs.

  68. #68 Kseniya
    March 30, 2007

    James, don’t you have a sister named Tanith? I think she works for Donohue.

    You know, for a religion that’s not supposed to worship idols’n’stuff, its members sure do get worked up about the choice of medium when it’s rendering time. (And, as others here have pointed out, very arbitrarily so. I mean, grilled cheese? Come on now.)

  69. #69 Great White Wonder
    March 30, 2007

    Chocolate Jesus is sinfully delicious.

    Did you notice that his balls are Cadbury cream eggs? Nice touch.

  70. #70 dustbubble
    March 30, 2007

    A statue.
    Huh.
    There was me getting quite excited when I saw the pics.I thought they’d found another Oetzi.

  71. #71 reboho
    March 30, 2007

    Maybe he could make one out of the marshmallow stuff they use to make Peeps. Then we could stick it in the microwave and feed thousands.

  72. #72 Chris Bell
    March 30, 2007

    Don, thanks for posting the Tom Waits link. He’s f*ing incredible.

  73. #73 Carlie
    March 30, 2007

    Why isn’t he on a big peanut butter cross or something? (You got cross on my Jesus! You got Jesus on my cross!) Strange pose to be in if one isn’t actually hanging from it.

    As for my earlier comment, I see that it is actually the post title. My bad.

  74. #74 Cheeto
    March 30, 2007

    As a practical matter, I would eat the arms first. He takes up too much space, and would be easier to wrap up and store after the arms are gone. (Do they make refigerated coffins?)

  75. #75 Dr X
    March 30, 2007

    Donahue is a publicity hog and a nasty moral cretin in my book. I’m a Christian and I get what this piece is about. I find nothing objectionable about it. It’s a little jarring for a moment, but it’s meaning is clear almost instantly.

    Donahue should be glad that the commercialization and typical treatment of the crucifixion and resurrection are being mocked, but he’s too busy making sure his own loud-mouth defense of an institution is paramount instead.

    How about someone making a big fat, dark bitter chocolate Donahue?

  76. #76 Ginger Yellow
    March 30, 2007

    “I would be more impressed if some of those now cackling over the choco-Jesus hadn’t been so gushingly sensitive and respectful when it came to relatively mild caricatures of Mohammed. ”

    Cackling? I’m mystified as to how it’s supposed to be disrespectful.

  77. #77 Ted Powell
    March 30, 2007

    Re being deeply offended:
    http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/02/08/race/

  78. #78 Ebonmuse
    March 30, 2007

    I mean, these conservative Christians really have a hard time thinking of Jesus having naughty bits.

    There’s an unintentionally hilarious example of this in LaHaye and Jenkins’ Kingdom Come, the sequel to the Left Behind books, which takes place in a literal heavenly kingdom on Earth. One of the very first things the authors take pains to emphasize is how Jesus has gotten rid of all that yucky sex stuff, so that everyone who remains only loves each other in a neutral, platonic, non-physical sort of way.

  79. #79 rawbob
    March 30, 2007

    Let’s see.

    Tasteless and tasty — all at once.

    Brilliant.

  80. #80 Peter McGrath
    March 30, 2007

    The chocolate is all wrong. The crucified Christ needs to be made from bread dough so that He can rise again on the third day.

  81. #81 Krystalline Apostate
    March 30, 2007

    Colugo:
    but ask Southern Sudanese and Southern Thai Buddhists for a different opinion
    Or the atheistic Tamil Tigers.

  82. #82 Sonja
    March 30, 2007

    Oops, I forgot. I’m American and I’m supposed to be FOR torture now.

    Just not death by chocolate.

  83. #83 Carlie
    March 30, 2007

    Peter wins. Next Sunday a risen dough Jesus will be all I’ll be able to think about.

  84. #84 DragonScholar
    March 30, 2007

    You know, whats odd is that this sculpture didn’t make me belittle Christ or hate Catholics. It made me think about things – about the meaning of communion (I mean in a way, if the public ate it it would be a kind of weird communion), about the commercial aspects of Easter, etc. It made me think, in short, about interesting symbolism, culture, etc.

    Donohue however sees attacks everywhere – because he wants to – and assumes what he sees is somehow literal fact. While me, a person he’d probably call an atheist, had a momentary pause to think about symbolism in people’s lives.

    This is a man berefet of both imagination, humor, and humanity.

  85. #85 Missionary Position
    March 30, 2007

    For laughs, check out the Catholic League’s Annual Reports on Anti-Catholicism, which apparently involves any statement obliquely critical of the Church. The cartoons and anything involving Christopher Hitchens can be especially funny.

  86. #86 The Physicist
    March 30, 2007

    Tha’t nothing compared to some of the depictions of Christ crucified in our churches. Me thinks he protest to much. I see the symbolism, though Ours are made out of wood, his is made out of chocolate, and really symbolizes the current cultures self absorbed fascination with a bunny and easter egg hunts rather than the risen Lord.

    If he want’s to be offended by something he should be offended by the culture within the Catholic church as well as the country which idolizes materialism.

  87. #87 Colugo
    March 30, 2007

    Tamil Tigers are mostly Hindu and fighting a Buddhist-dominated state. In Burma, Muslims and Christians are persecuted by the nominally Buddhist regime. Buddhists are currently oppressed in Communist atheist Vietnam. Bosnian Muslims were slaughtered by Orthodox Christian Serb forces in the 90s. And so on.

    My point is, some fire-breathing atheists tend to become meek lambs when the faith in question is not Judeo-Christian – perhaps influenced, for all I know, by Liberation Theology.

  88. #88 Satar Jabar
    March 30, 2007

    Abu Ghraib was a celebration of Christian sensibilities:

    Do you pray to Allah?’ one asked. I said yes. They said, ‘[Expletive] you. And [expletive] him.’ One of them said, ‘You are not getting out of here health[y], you are getting out of here handicapped. And he said to me, ‘Are you married?’ I said, ‘Yes.’ They said, ‘If your wife saw you like this, she will be disappointed.’ One of them said, ‘But if I saw her now she would not be disappointed now because I would rape her.'” […] “They ordered me to thank Jesus that I’m alive.” […] “I said to him, ‘I believe in Allah.’ So he said, ‘But I believe in torture and I will torture you.’

    This faithful soldier was just following Paul’s directive from 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9:

    In flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.

    He was also following the practices established by evangelical Christian General Boykin at Abu Ghraib. Abu Ghraib is in every way the face of contemporary American Christianity.

  89. #89 Krystalline Apostate
    March 30, 2007

    Colugo:

    Tamil Tigers are mostly Hindu and fighting a Buddhist-dominated state.

    Ah, no on the former, yes on the latter.
    I did a post on this recently.

    My point is, some fire-breathing atheists tend to become meek lambs when the faith in question is not Judeo-Christian – perhaps influenced, for all I know, by Liberation Theology.

    I torch them all w/my heated halitosis.

  90. #90 Pieter B
    March 30, 2007

    Well, wouldn’t you know . . . the Chocolate Jesus show has been closed.

  91. #91 Thony C.
    March 30, 2007

    “What makes it so offensive to Donohue is that it depicts a black Jesus.”

    So what’s the problem? The only physical description of Jesus, from Josephus, says that he was a negro.

  92. #92 Kseniya
    March 30, 2007

    “The hotel and the gallery were overrun Thursday with angry phone calls and e-mails about the exhibit. Semler said the calls included death threats over the work of Cavallaro, who was described as disappointed by the cancellation.”

    Hypocritical fools!

  93. #93 M. Derosier
    March 30, 2007

    I can think of a particularly offensive place to start eating that… Because I’m pretty sure that the Christians would find it offensive if I, a male, went straight for his Peter, Paul and John. You know, with the homosexual overtones, and such. And the interracial thing, too.

    Everyone else should find my pun offensive to the senses, and for that I apologize.

  94. #94 su
    March 30, 2007

    ill trade you a bite of my virgin mary grilled cheese sandwich for a bite of your chocolate jesus.

    oompa loompa

  95. #95 AnInGe
    March 30, 2007

    Having read this blog yesterday, I looked for further news about this in today’s (Fridays) paper. The only item I could find that was vaguely related concerned the Archdiocese of San Diego agreeing in their chapter 11 bankrupcy petition to a $94 Million pay-out to 118 victims of sexual abuse by priests. I notice that the Catholic League masthead contains their policy: “The Catholic League is the nation’s largest Catholic civil rights organization. It defends individual Catholics and the institutional Church from defamation and discrimination.” I wonder if they came to the defense of the abused children in San Diego (or elsewhere). Their Catholic sensibilities must have been absolutely shattered by those sexual assaults.

  96. #96 Thr secret government rhubarb experiment
    March 30, 2007

    Mmmm…Jesus

  97. #97 Marian
    March 30, 2007

    I really have to wonder…if instead he had depicted Jesus with a loin cloth, would we have this much outrage?

    I wonder how much of the outrage is really about Jesus’s “naughty bits”. (I call dibs!)

    As others have alluded to, it’s especially amusing to see Catholics up in arms about it given the belief in transubstantiation. Catholics believe that the eucharist in the mass (the bread wafer used) isn’t *symbolic* of the body of Christ, but through…well essentially magic, though I guess when you’re claiming it’s divine magic you don’t like using the term ‘magic’…it *literally* becomes the body of Christ. Now they don’t believe the bread is now human flesh (I was raised Catholic you can’t even sell that one to 8 year olds) but that it is spiritually literally the body of Christ.

    Given that belief, I don’t see how ANY Catholic can argue that eating a statue of Jesus (made of something edible) is even remotely blasphemous.

    Then again, like all religions they’re hardly immune from hypocrisy either I suppose.

  98. #98 Kseniya
    March 30, 2007

    I admire your gift for understatement.

    * idly wonders if the statue was made from Godiva chocolate *

  99. #99 Ex-drone
    March 30, 2007

    For a religion that has featured the torture and immolation of heretics and the raping of choirboys, I’m not sure that an immodest idol that promotes cavities is all that objectionable.

  100. #100 Timcol
    March 30, 2007

    All of this various food incarnations have left out the poor old Holy Spirit. He never gets any good press. I mean, when was the last time we had a good Holy Ghost sighting in a tortilla? Perhaps we can poor some custard over the chocolate Jesus and depict Jesus’s Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

  101. #101 PZ Myers
    March 30, 2007

    Honestly, shouldn’t the Holy Spirit get something fluffier, and airier — a souffle?

  102. #102 Scott Hatfield, Corrected
    March 30, 2007

    Peter McGrath: That was FUNNY. I’m sharing THAT one with my pastor.

    Rey Fox, stogoe: I’m abashed. All I can say is….Doh!

  103. #103 frog
    March 30, 2007

    Rey: You know, one of the really nice things about being an atheist is not being slavishly beholden to symbols. Have to wonder how Bill would react if someone told him that.

    You got it backwards: slavish responses to symbols is one of the benefits of religion. I’ve had this discussion with low-level religious folks: what they don’t trust about atheists is that we don’t slavishly respond like Pavlovian dogs to arbitrary symbols. They don’t know how we can be controlled.

    Bwaahhhaahhaahhha!

  104. #104 Colugo
    March 30, 2007

    Allah ice cream.
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005430136,,00.html

    I thought this was a joke at first.
    http://www.chocolatedeities.com/deities.php

  105. #105 Fernando Magyar
    March 30, 2007

    Dang it! I was just about to buy tickets and fly up to New York. They went and canceled the exhibit. What ever happened to those peace lovin god fearing christians? Don’t they know that threatening to kill people is a no no?

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/30/chocolate.jesus.ap/index.html

    “The hotel and the gallery were overrun Thursday with angry phone calls and e-mails. Semler said the calls included death threats over the work of artist Cosimo Cavallaro, who was described as disappointed by the decision to cancel the display.

    “In this situation, the hotel couldn’t continue to be supportive because of a fear for their own safety,” Semler said.”

  106. #106 Zarquon
    March 30, 2007

    Hey PZ, don’t you know the holy spirit is frequently portrayed as a dove?

  107. #107 Paguroidea
    March 30, 2007

    I wonder if they can find a new location where it can be exhibited. I would think people would be willing to pay to see it.

  108. #108 twincats
    March 30, 2007

    Are the Catholics more offended because the medium made JC look like a person of color or because the Holy Genitals were exposed?

    Duh! It’s the lack of loincloth, no brainer!

    Seeing their lord in the altogether destroys the Christian (and particularly Catholic) collective unconscious fable that Jesus’ pesky parts fell off shortly after the incident in the temple (and most certainly before he had any sinful, um, emissions!)

    The only reason the baby Jesus (as depicted in Gothic and Renaissance art) has a willy is to establish that he is the SON of God and morally superior in his maleness.

  109. #109 Heather Kuhn
    March 31, 2007

    I don’t see what the problem is. It’s made from God food (Theobroma cacao isn’t it? [innocent look]

  110. #110 Heather Kuhn
    March 31, 2007

    Ack. Close that paren after cacao. That’ll teach me not to read carefully when previewing a post.

    Mutter.

  111. #111 The quantum pancake
    March 31, 2007

    A christian on TV said her problem with it was that a young child could walk past the window of the hotel and see Jesus’ doodle.

  112. #112 Kseniya
    March 31, 2007

    A Jeez Doodle?

    Ah so it’s the Wonka willy that’s troubling everyone. Why not just make like a U.S. Attorney General, and slip a Big Dog over the Holy Ding-Dong?

  113. #113 andyo
    March 31, 2007

    Hey people, just in case, William Donahue is another person. The article refers to William Donohue. Since Bill Donahue is not a very well-known person, you might be confusing his name with this guy.

  114. #114 andyo
    March 31, 2007

    oops sorry, the Donohue link will take you to the same Donahue page. It’s a different person

  115. #115 blf
    March 31, 2007

    The people who burn people at the stakc have won “won”: Chocolate Christ exhibition cancelled. I’ve no idea when the artist will be barbecued.

  116. #116 CalGeorge
    March 31, 2007

    The people who burn people at the stakc have won “won”

    Christo-fascism is alive and well in America.

    When protecting the “civil rights” of Catholics precludes the rest of us having the right to free speech, where are we?

    Fuck the Catholic League.

  117. #117 Keith Douglas
    March 31, 2007

    My father once remarked that he didn’t celebrate Easter, he just enjoyed giving and receiving chocolate …

    As for this statue or whatever, I’m worried about it going to waste …

    And I’m pretty sure that it would initially taste better than communion wafers … maybe that’s it … promotes gluttony or something.

    Blake Stacey: The chocolate thing is especially weird, since chocolate ultimately comes from the Americas … hm, maybe this is where mormonism comes in …

    Sonja: Indeed. I sometimes wonder if people would wear guillotines, electric chairs or syringes …

    Thony C: Uh, what physical description?

    PZ Myers: Or something wind promoting. Maybe a good pot of chili … well maybe not, too tasty

  118. #118 Swattie
    March 31, 2007

    I suspect that the opinion of someone who is actually Catholic might be useful here. I get the sense from the past 115 comments that this blog is the secret meeting place for the “lets-create-an-alternate-universe-where-religious-people-er-Christians-are-dumbasses” club. If this blog is simply meant to be a place for people to come and sharpen their sarcastic wit (I admit that a lot of the posts/comments are pretty clever and that if I weren’t Catholic, I might find them funny), then please just delete this comment…because I hate to be a party pooper. If not, then read on…

    1) My Catholic sensibilities aren’t wounded by the fact that a chocolate Jesus would depict a black Jesus. Sorry, but Catholics aren’t that racist, though it’s not as much fun if you can’t depict the big bad Catholic church as the embodiment of bigotry. Catholics are, well…catholic…probably the most cosmopolitan body of people in the world.

    2) My Catholic sensibilities aren’t wounded by the part of the sculpture that screams out SEX. Now, get ready for this shocker: Catholics like sex and the body. Really. And I mean a lot. (Just look at the size of many Catholic families, heh.) Maybe the reason some Catholics are offended by the exposed genitals is that we value sex (not just for procreative purposes, duh) more highly than the average person.

    3) I’m trying to figure out why the idea of a chocolate Jesus didn’t jive with me when I first heard about it. I mean, one of the central tenets of Catholicism is that we relive the crucifixion and everything that it accomplished/stood for every time we take communion – that is, every time we consume the actual body (doctrine of transubstantiation) of Christ. Now, I like what DragonScholar said about symbolism (if I understood it correctly), and I think that an edible representation of the crucifixion could potentially be a really beautiful symbol of one Catholicism’s most precious beliefs. But something still bothers me about it (is it indoctrination, perhaps?), and I’m having trouble putting my finger on it.

    I think part of it might be that chocolate, as a medium, doesn’t seem very reverent. With my woefully limited understanding of art, I get the sense that the medium dictates (to an extent) the way a viewer perceives and comprehends the subject matter of the art. I don’t think those with “Catholic sensibilities” would be alone in reacting differently to a marble bust of Bush and one made out of junk from a recycling bin (though admittedly, the reactions to both would tend to be negative). So maybe chocolate doesn’t convey the respect (in the way that wood and stone do) that serious Christians feel this all-important symbol deserves. (?) I dunno…just some thoughts. And of course, it would be useful to know a bit more about the artist himself.

  119. #119 Christopher
    March 31, 2007

    “CalGeorge” is stupid. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. The Catholic League has criticized the statue, not called for its censorship.

  120. #120 Christopher
    March 31, 2007

    How about the injustice of our war in the Iraq?

    A loaded question. This presupposes that killing Saddam and his sons was “unjust”.

    What about the ongoing denial of civil rights to homosexuals?

    Nobody is denying homosexuals their rights. Well, except for the “right” to have a state-sanctioned marriage, which should be de-legalized in all cases, and the “right” to abrogate freedom of speech and association.

  121. #121 Colugo
    March 31, 2007

    “The people who burn people at the stakc have won “won”: Chocolate Christ exhibition cancelled.”

    Economic boycott = burning people at the stake? Or stoning ‘adulterous’ women, hanging homosexuals, or burning down houses of worship of rival sects…

    “Christo-fascism is alive and well in America.”

    Do some of the same people who object to the term “Islamo-fascism” have no problem with the term “Christo-fascism”?

    Even many atheists approve of and cite what Jesus said about motes and beams. Jesus cautioned against pointing out the motes in one’s own eye while ignoring the beams in one’s own. Atheistic progressives agree with the sentiment that we shouldn’t pretend that we are perfect as we criticize others. But J.C. didn’t say that we ought to ignore the beams in everyone else’s eyes and only talk about our own.

    There really are actual Gileads, and incredibly brave Muslims like Asra Nomani (friend of Daniel Pearl), Irshad Manji, and jailed Egyptian blogger Kareem Amer are confronting the problem.

  122. #122 CalGeorge
    March 31, 2007

    The Catholic League has criticized the statue, not called for its censorship.

    Yes, they could not have prevented the exhibit from going forward, but their intent was to boycott the hotel, intimidate the owner with emails and phone calls, and shut the exhibit down. They have put out a press release saying they are glad it won’t be shown.

    They are acting as moral censors.

    If they were decent, they would have made a statement objecting to the work but also that people have a right to see it and can make up their own minds.

    Censorship
    official prohibition or restriction of any type of expression believed to threaten the political, social, or moral order. It may be imposed by governmental authority, local or national, by a religious body, or occasionally by a powerful private group. It may be applied to the mails, speech, the press, the theater, dance, art, literature, photography, the cinema, radio, television, or computer networks. Censorship may be either preventive or punitive, according to whether it is exercised before or after the expression has been made public. In use since antiquity, the practice has been particularly thoroughgoing under autocratic and heavily centralized governments, from the Roman Empire to the totalitarian states of the 20th cent.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/censorship

  123. #123 Paguroidea
    March 31, 2007

    With death threats over the exhibition of a chocolate naked Jesus, I wonder if this issue will just die. Do you think someone will be brave enough to try it again or sell miniature naked Jesus chocolates?

  124. #124 CalGeorge
    March 31, 2007

    “Christo-fascist” is a widely-used term. For example, here’s Mark Crispin Miller, NYU professor:

    Critics on the left, I think, are often prone to minimize the former, to read the entire crisis simply in economistic terms, and write the Christo-fascists off as mere fringe-dwellers whom the corporate powers are carefully manipulating. That critique is itself a rationalist projection, as such critics can’t imagine, or won’t accept, that irrational actors can wield power successfully, and for irrational reasons. In any case, those on the left who argue thus are not sufficiently informed. The Christo-fascist movement has its own agenda, and in realizing it has made tremendous progress (as it were) in Washington. Esther Kaplan’s book, With God on Their Side, makes this quite clear, as does Stephenie Hendricks’ important monograph, Divine Destruction, which explores the theocratic basis of Bush/Cheney’s anti-environmentalism. Michelle Goldberg’s also working on a book that I, for one, can’t wait to read.

    http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/06/01/int06002.html

  125. #125 Kseniya
    March 31, 2007

    Economic boycott = burning people at the stake? Or stoning ‘adulterous’ women, hanging homosexuals, or burning down houses of worship of rival sects…

    True, Christopher, they don’t — but death threats imply similar actions. Isn’t that obvious?

    It is (presumably) true that nobody associated with the Catholic League made those threats, and (presumably) true that the League does not condone the threats, but there is no question that the death threats were taken into consideration when the decision was made to discontinue the exhibit.

    You may call CalGeorge “stupid” for blaming the Catholic League for that decision, but it’s legitimately not-stupid to complain that the League’s objections plus the more potentially dangerous objections of others who agree with the League “won” the day for those people who would love to see the exhibit shut down. And if you don’t think the League and its members are among them, then I suggest you re-think your position on just who is and is not “stupid.”

    A loaded question. This presupposes that killing Saddam and his sons was “unjust”.

    Your point presupposes that the only injustices precipitated by the war were the deaths of Saddam and his sons. Need I elaborate?

  126. #126 Colugo
    March 31, 2007

    Kseniya: I am not the same person as Christopher. Of course death threats have no place in civil society, whether they are made by Christians or anyone else, in order to ban art that they find religiously offensive (the British Sikh play controversy, Danish cartoons, etc).

    Personally, whether the Choco-Christ goes on tour, replaces Count Chocula as the official mascot of the breakfast cereal, or transubstantiates into nougat is fine with me.

    CalGeorge: “”Christo-fascist” is a widely-used term.”

    I don’t dispute that. My point is that some of those who recoil at the term or very concept of “Islamo-fascism” (I myself prefer “Islamic totalitarianism” to refer to Islamic extremist movements) eagerly use the term “Christo-fascism” (or “Christopath” etc.). Similarly, some of those – I don’t mean you specifically – who accept the journalism on the aspirations of the American Dominionist movement deny the threat posed by Islamist jihad war ideology (of which liberal Muslims are on the front lines of opposition).

  127. #127 drcharles
    March 31, 2007

    i must say the quip about the bunny ears already being eaten was hilarious.

  128. #128 windy
    March 31, 2007

    I’m trying to figure out why the idea of a chocolate Jesus didn’t jive with me when I first heard about it. (…) I think part of it might be that chocolate, as a medium, doesn’t seem very reverent.

    Then why isn’t there a similar outrage every time someone claims that Jesus appeared on their piece of toast? Is that medium more reverent? And there wasn’t any outrage at a ‘miraculous’ chocolate Mary, so what’s wrong with a non-miraculous choc Jesus?

  129. #129 Carlie
    March 31, 2007

    Swattie – honest question, not snarky, but if this is really true: “Maybe the reason some Catholics are offended by the exposed genitals is that we value sex (not just for procreative purposes, duh) more highly than the average person.”, and that Catholics value sex so highly, then why is so much of it off-limits? From what I understand anything that is remotely not exactly concerned with the possible uniting of sperm and egg is anathema, no matter how much fun it is for the two partners involved.

    So now, when will there be a butter Jesus making the rounds of the state fairs?

  130. #130 CalGeorge
    April 1, 2007

    Dumb things humans do:

    1) Get worked up about a life-sized chocolate Jesus, or a crucifix submerged in urine, or a burning flag.

    2) Believe Jesus became invisible and went up into the sky after he died, where he is to be worshipped as a god.

    3) Become offended by exposed genitals in works of art.

    Sigh.

  131. #131 llewelly
    April 1, 2007

    I get the sense from the past 115 comments that this blog is the
    secret meeting place for the
    “lets-create-an-alternate-universe-where-religious-people-er-Christians-are-dumbasses”

    As pointed out previously in many comments in this thread, it is people
    like Bill Donohue (and, for non-Catholic Christians, Pat Robertson,
    Ted Haggerd, Ken Ham, and so forth) who create that ‘alternative
    universe’ . They speak for a group that is quite real, quite vocal,
    has placed a few key people in powerful media and government
    positions, but is nonetheless a minority of modern Christians. Unfortunately,
    the remainder, either sit silently doing nothing (it is natural for
    most people to avoid conflict …) while this minority reverts their
    religion to a twisted parody of what it was in medieval Europe. A few,
    like you, attempt to take aim at the problem, but, unfortunately,
    shoot at the messenger.

  132. #132 llewelly
    April 1, 2007

    I was sure someone else would say this, but no-one did, so I will:
    Holy Chocolate Jesus Penis, Batman!

  133. #133 Uber
    April 1, 2007

    which should be de-legalized in all cases, and the “right” to abrogate freedom of speech and association.

    This is absurd. The entire history of marriage is that of a legal contract. Religion is a late addition to this party.

    that if I weren’t Catholic, I might find them funny),

    You are not catholic, your a person who subscribes to the catholic faith. So essentially even though you find items funny your dogma is such that you must find them not funny?

    1)if you can’t depict the big bad Catholic church as the embodiment of bigotry. Catholics are, well…catholic…probably the most cosmopolitan body of people in the world.

    Your correct, lets be specific then. Catholic dogma is bigoted and often stupid. Why one would want to willfully belong to such an organization is rather odd. If you are in it you can’t no claim it.

    2) My Catholic sensibilities

    oxymoron

    Maybe the reason some Catholics are offended by the exposed genitals is that we value sex (not just for procreative purposes, duh) more highly than the average person.

    What an insulting degrading statement. Oh and it’s bullshit. What makes you think catholics(who you previously stated are cosmopolitan) do as you say? What makes you think others value it less? Prove your case because right now you sound pretty ignorant.

    3) every time we consume the actual body (doctrine of transubstantiation) of Christ. Now, I like what DragonScholar said about symbolism (if I understood it correctly), and I think that an edible representation of the crucifixion could potentially be a really beautiful symbol of one Catholicism’s most precious beliefs..

    This is simply bizarre. The ritual of consuming another is considered beautiful by the deluded. At least you admitted to indoctrination. It’s a start.

    I think part of it might be that chocolate, as a medium, doesn’t seem very reverent.

    But bread does. Again odd.

    So maybe chocolate doesn’t convey the respect (in the way that wood and stone do)

    why? Your entire post is filled with babble.

    that serious Christian

    OHHH I see, serious Christians as opposed to those that are just joking Christians. Of course you realizethat by practicing the catholic faith you are perceived as a far cry from a serious Christian by the majority of Christian denominations.

    But hey be offended by chocolate if it’s your desire.

  134. #134 Christopher
    April 1, 2007

    Yes, they could not have prevented the exhibit from going forward, but their intent was to boycott the hotel, intimidate the owner with emails and phone calls, and shut the exhibit down. They have put out a press release saying they are glad it won’t be shown.

    If the statue was censored, the maker would not be able to find another venue. Such action requires a State to enforce. The Catholic League is not a State.

    An organization exercised their rights to criticize and call for a boycott, and a hotel owner, fearing lost business, exercised his right to cancel the display.

    “Christo-fascist” is a widely-used term. For example, here’s Mark Crispin Miller, NYU professor:

    “Christo-fascist” is only a widely-used term amongst the mentally deranged; case in point: Mark Crispin Miller.

  135. #135 Christopher
    April 1, 2007

    Your point presupposes that the only injustices precipitated by the war were the deaths of Saddam and his sons. Need I elaborate?

    If you think the killing of Saddam and his sons was “unjust”, your thinking is mighty flawed, and is dangerous to your continued survival. Many Darwin award winners were those who had difficulty recognizing evil and how to deal with it.

  136. #136 alan
    April 1, 2007

    “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this.
    While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Rom 5:8

  137. #137 12th Monkey
    April 1, 2007

    M.C. 200 lb Chocolate Jesus will punish you for this.

  138. #138 Krystalline Apostate
    April 1, 2007

    “Christo-fascist” is only a widely-used term amongst the mentally deranged

    How odd…that’s what I call Dominion theonimists, who want the US to explicitly implement OT punishments for the ‘unholy’, such as stoning homosexuals & adulterers to death.
    If calling them what they truly are is deranged, then so be it.

  139. #139 Kseniya
    April 1, 2007

    Christopher, do you have a brain in your head? If so, why are you unable to understand simple questions and statements? Are you blinded by the brilliance of your own point of view?

  140. #140 Carlie
    April 2, 2007

    Oh, my gosh! I thought I was a committed believer in reality, but alan’s Bible quotation has made me seen the error of my ways. Sure, I memorized that verse when I was around 8, and could recite the entire ‘Romans Road’ when I was 14, and was a rabid evangelical for decades, so I thought I knew what I was doing when I concluded from all the evidence that it was so much bogusness, but now, having had the words themselves put before me again, I realize how wrong I was to trust in empiricism and truth.

    Oh, wait. That quote was an April fool’s, wasn’t it?

  141. #141 alan
    April 2, 2007

    Jesus said “I am the Way the Truth and the Life”.

    Jesus is who he claimed to be (with profound ramifications)
    or he is not and should simply be ignored.

    …God is love. I John 4:8

  142. #142 Steve_C
    April 2, 2007

    But can I melt him down in hot milk and drink him is the question.

    Mmmmm… Hot Jesus with Marshmallows.

  143. #143 Paguroidea
    April 3, 2007

    msnbc is reporting that the sculptor is getting support. Maybe we’ll get to see the exhibit after all.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17908205/

  144. #144 suryawan
    September 14, 2007

    I wish in my country here in Indonesia someday 2 have exhibition about Christianity’s statues which are very seldom because Indonesia majority is Moslem.
    As a catholic I just delight 2 see such beautiful work of art espesially statues from the past/antiquity.
    Jesus from chocolate what a dream !

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