Pharyngula

If you’re interested in the sordid history of bannings at Bill Dembski’s prissy little blog, here’s a compilation. It’s an ugly little story.

If you’re interested in the history of bannings here, I keep a public list. It isn’t quite so easy to get banned at Pharyngula, although a few are making a strong effort.

Comments

  1. #1 Azkyroth
    July 30, 2007

    Speaking of the Pharyngula dungeon, hasn’t ForTheKids been added to the autojunk list?

  2. #2 John Danley
    July 30, 2007

    Dembski is a chestnut.

  3. #3 Brownian
    July 30, 2007

    Shouldn’t ForTheKids have been banned for using such an obviously self-serving nom d’écran?

  4. #4 Blake Stacey, OM
    July 30, 2007

    The only person I’ve banned is, coincidentally enough, also in the Pharyngula dungeon (and I wouldn’t have done that, probably, if he hadn’t been irritating my other two readers).

    I did report Larry Fafarman’s comment to Akismet, though. It felt like the right thing to do.

  5. #5 PZ Myers
    July 30, 2007

    Nah, it takes more persistence to get into the dungeon. FtK is an occasional nuisance who flits in, gets swatted down, and doesn’t get the ugly wrangles going that warrant banning.

  6. #6 Sherry Konkus
    July 30, 2007

    Did you ban Michael Korn, too?

  7. #7 Rey Fox
    July 30, 2007

    FTK is our favorite punching bag, right?

  8. #8 PZ Myers
    July 30, 2007

    No, Korn isn’t banned. Really, you can’t get banned for just being a creationist and making a few comments. You have to work at it.

  9. #9 Brownian
    July 30, 2007

    Good, because I’ve been guilty of insipidity, slagging, stupidity, trolling, and wanking on at least one occasion each.

  10. #10 Neil
    July 30, 2007

    When I first skimmed this post, I read the all blue “public list” as “publicist.” I’m thinking “Damn, he keeps a publicist to explain why certain people are banned? Too considerate, really!”

    I valyew my litterassy!

  11. #11 Christian Burnham
    July 30, 2007

    ‘The Physicist’ should be banned for being very lame and having paranoid delusions about Pharyngula posters hacking into his computers.

    Also,

    Brownian should be banned for boasting about his high IQ.

    Blake Stacey should be banned for using his ‘OM’ moniker off-site.

    PZ Myers should be banned for being gratuitously offensive.

    Zeno should be banned for paradoxical reasons.

    Anyone else?

  12. #12 AJ Milne
    July 30, 2007

    I am awed at the Sisyphean persistence of the compiler… and, for that matter, that of anyone who actually reads UD. It’s my ever so humble opinion that watching your screensaver for three minutes is probably less a waste of time than spending that same time in that thar’ slog*.

    …Speaking, of course, as a semiautomatic ‘n didactic web-omnivore with an IQ somewhere east by northeast of three, who has on occasion ruined half of a morning reading the entire back catalogue of ‘Narbonic’… when I’d already read it once.

    *Emphatically not a typo.

  13. #13 Diana
    July 30, 2007

    Blake: I have tried to be your third reader, but I can’t. I really can’t read the page.

  14. #14 Christian Burnham
    July 30, 2007

    Diana: click on his name.

  15. #15 Inoculated Mind
    July 30, 2007

    Ah, I remember when DaveScot tried to ban me attacking my ability to spell my own pseudonym, and he made four spelling mistakes in his attack on me. Hilarious. DaveScot also thought it would be worth his time to challenge me by email, and I smacked him down by pointing out how he was being a relativist.

    Then with the momentary protection of Dave’s new black eye, I proceeded to ask the UDers a few questions to get at what they believed. I thought it would be a good opportunity. It was difficult to get them to answer my non-confrontational questions, and I had to keep on guard and not argue with them while asking those questions. I got a few worthless nonspecific answers.

    Then, after a short while, one of my first posts was done on my blog, http://www.inoculatedmind.com/?p=10, and I expounded on the farce of an open forum that UD was. Almost immediately, they said that my post was all wrong and couldn’t begin to point out the errors. I challenged them to point out the errors, but I was disemvoweled and unable to make any comment in my defense. They’ve probably cooled off and I could comment today, but why would I want to? Now that I’ve started grad school their antics are less and less interesting to me. Every now and then some dumb thing they do rises up enough out of the sea of stupidity to give me a laugh, this link is certainly a good laugh!

  16. #16 Christian Burnham
    July 30, 2007

    Diana: I think I misunderstood. You can’t read BS’s blog? The colors?

  17. #17 Spook
    July 30, 2007

    It’s interesting to see the difference between Pharyngula and Dembski’s little corner of the ‘net; here, you can post comments without creating an account and aren’t subject to the same degree of moderation. On top of that, actually getting banned takes some real effort on that part of the troll – over there, you just have to bring up pesky little things like facts.

    How fragile their echo chamber is. I suppose that’s to be expected of a group that prefers unquestionable dogma over science though. Ah well.

  18. #18 Rich
    July 30, 2007

    Teach the controversy: C*nsor the reality!

  19. #19 Diana
    July 30, 2007

    I can get to the page, but the black and red…it hurts. (I’m kinda old.)

  20. #20 Christian Burnham
    July 30, 2007

    I can get to the page, but the black and red…it hurts. (I’m kinda old.)

    Diana: If you’re on a Mac- try this software:

    http://nocturne.en.softonic.com/mac

    If you’re using Firefox- I’m sure there’s a plugin which will help. Can anyone suggest anything?

  21. #21 Christian Burnham
    July 30, 2007

    Diana: If you’re using Firefox- this could help.

    http://www.colblindor.com/2007/06/20/colorblindext-better-web-accessibility-for-colorblind-users/

    Also- write to Blake Stacey (If he’s not reading this) and tell him your problem.

  22. #22 Cody
    July 30, 2007

    Nothing like reading a list of banned users only to see your own name on it. I had completely forgotten about that.

  23. #23 Zeno
    July 30, 2007

    Christian Burnham: Zeno should be banned for paradoxical reasons.

    As Christian noted, I should be banned because I shouldn’t be.

    QED

  24. #24 Moses
    July 30, 2007

    I got banned and my post never showed up because DaveTard had taken over and everyone was on moderation. I guess you can say I was pre-banned…

  25. #25 Margaret
    July 30, 2007

    Diana: If you’re using IE (required where I work), go to Tools/Internet Options/Accessibility and select “Ignore colors specified on Web pages”.

  26. #26 Sili
    July 30, 2007

    Neil (#10), me too!

    AJ Milne (#12), anyone who reads Narbonic (and The Slog?) can’t be wholly bad (to paraphrase WC Fields – badly).

  27. #27 MyaR
    July 30, 2007

    Interesting that they’re exactly the same moderation/ban tactics as all the other kooky similar people, like Conservaepedia. But I have to say, that’s a really masochistic endeavor, involving actually reading UD.

  28. #28 waldteufel
    July 30, 2007

    The IDiots loathe science and the rough and tumble of vigorous debate. Dembski is a petti tyrant whose army consists of cheesy-puff munching basement dwellers like DaveTard, and whose domain is now reduced to a fourth rate bible college in the intellectual deserts of Texas.

    By the way, I live in Texas, and I know what an intellectual and cultural wasteland it is — NASA and the Texas Medical Center in Houston being outstanding exceptions.

    Around here it’s said that the typical highway intersection in Texas consists of three gas stations and a Baptist Church.

  29. #29 sailor
    July 30, 2007

    PZ maybe you should have a special dungeon part of your blog with a cell for each miscreant. You could post a few of their worst offerings and have a comments page so when we were really short of a life we could go down there and torment them for a while – push some metaphors through their bars.

  30. #30 Tracy P. Hamilton
    July 30, 2007

    Innoculated Mind said: “Now that I’ve started grad school their antics are less and less interesting to me.”

    At first I thought you had written grade school.

    Are you sure it isn’t another of your typos? After all, even a bright grade schooler would tire of the UD antics.

  31. #31 RBH
    July 30, 2007

    Pity the compiler missed the banning of Febble, a Ph.D. neuroscientist:

    66

    DaveScot

    01/09/2007

    3:17 am

    febble is no longer with us – anyone who doesn’t understand how natural selection works to conserve (or not) genomic information yet insists on writing long winded anti-ID comments filled with errors due to lack of understanding of the basics is just not a constructive member – good luck on your next blog febble

  32. #32 steve s
    July 30, 2007

    Bill has probably committed the greatest effort in the history of posting at After the Bar Closes. Even so, his post only documents six months of the tyrannical moderation at UD.

    Good ol’ After the Bar Closes. I’d follow those sons of bitches into hell.

  33. #33 Ed Darrell
    July 30, 2007

    Who has NOT been banned at UD? Turing’s other artificial intelligence program, Obsequious Sycophant, is the only thing posting at UD these days, so far as I can tell.

    Turing’s revenge.

  34. #34 Caledonian
    July 31, 2007

    Ed Darrell:

    Who has NOT been banned at UD?

    As I recall, they’ve even banned ID-friendly individuals who tried to correct – or just point out – their logic errors.

  35. #35 Diana
    July 31, 2007

    Thanks. Two of those suggestions work. (I don’t have a Mac.)

    I am also in Texas, and in my neck of the woods, every intersection or even corner has the Baptist church, two other churches such as COGIC or Celestial Heaven, and then one gas station. Of course, as you pass that intersection, there’s the Catholic, the Presbyterian, the COC, various creative names that obscure the demomination, and several more until the really BIG ones closer to the major freeways. Those are the personality churches, with the preacher and wife on huge billboards. And always, somewhere, another one under construction.

  36. #36 Kseniya
    July 31, 2007

    That was… illuminating. Until now, I thought the “DaveTard” moniker was a bit excessive, but holy crumbling shortcake is that guy on a power trip. He loves, LOVES having that kind of control. It just oozes out of his keyboard, and reveals him to be little more than a petty autocrat. The “innoculated” banning was hysterical. The whole thread reads like parody. Remarkable.

  37. #37 Bob O'H
    July 31, 2007

    Who has NOT been banned at UD?

    I haven’t. I decided that getting banned was too easy, so I decided to go for not being banned. Even weirder, both DaveTard and Sal seem to like me.

    Of course, this means that the only trained biologist posting at UD is anti-ID (it might be the only two trained biologists, but great_ape seems to have come to his senses, and stopped posting).

    Bob

  38. #38 hoary puccoon
    July 31, 2007

    I loved the part about banning people for discussing evolutionary theory, on the grounds that everybody on UD knew it already. The one and only time I read a thread on UD, they were discussing genes and chromosomes and trying to decide if there were any difference between them. They concluded there isn’t. I did DaveScott one better and banned myself from even reading their stuff.

  39. #39 ngong
    July 31, 2007

    I was surprised to see that Dembski openly posts against scientific materialism/naturalism…it seems he has eliminated the “designer was a smart alien” argument. I thought he was a bit more stealthy than that.

    Bible quotes galore on the comments threads, too. Do nutcase fundies ever get banned on that site?

  40. #40 steve s
    July 31, 2007

    Yes. Joshua Bozeman is a nutcase fundy, and he was banned by Davetard.

  41. #41 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    July 31, 2007

    Um, looks like the reason DaveTard didn’t use a blog of his own was because he knew he would ban everyone on sight. What a peculiar “mind”.

    That said, I haven’t bothered with registration blogs outside of Dawkins cool site, so I wouldn’t know how UD works, or not. But it looks bad from this – what a surprise.

    Anyone else?

    Torbjörn Larsson should be banned for using ümlauts instead of honest to no gods letters.

  42. #42 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    July 31, 2007

    Um, looks like the reason DaveTard didn’t use a blog of his own was because he knew he would ban everyone on sight. What a peculiar “mind”.

    That said, I haven’t bothered with registration blogs outside of Dawkins cool site, so I wouldn’t know how UD works, or not. But it looks bad from this – what a surprise.

    Anyone else?

    Torbjörn Larsson should be banned for using ümlauts instead of honest to no gods letters.

  43. #43 Kseniya, OM
    July 31, 2007

    Ah! Now that I’ve had some sleep, I realize just what was lurking in the back of my mind last night: This is like Alice In Wonderland, with DaveScot as the Red Queen.

  44. #44 Arnosium Upinarum
    July 31, 2007

    Exercising their fascist/control-freak/thought police proclivities on a lousy cesspool of a website like that is uproariously amusing. Funny all those folks On List publicly exhibited – like stock-&-pilloried pilgrims lining their streets. (Wow, does THAT hurt.) As if to say, “VARNING: This vill Happen To You: It ist STRICTLY VERBOTTEN to Qvestion Der Furer ODER Der Vaterland.” (Ooooh, that could be SERIOUS).

    Just watch: if it isn’t already being done, we’ll see their lists bulging with the names and pseudonyms of “known agitators” from OTHER blogs, including this one, whether or not any of them even visit those sites. I normally wouldn’t bother to enter an arena that reeks so ambitiously of hydrogen sulfide myself. [CHOKE-GASP-GAG-COUGH]

    Little boys and girls playing their paranoid little games; the brats can be SO insecure…

  45. #45 Inoculated Mind
    July 31, 2007

    Tracy said:

    Innoculated Mind said: “Now that I’ve started grad school their antics are less and less interesting to me.”

    At first I thought you had written grade school.

    Are you sure it isn’t another of your typos? After all, even a bright grade schooler would tire of the UD antics.

    Hehe, the funny thing was, I never spelled anything wrong. (BTW, Inoculated is spelled with one N – you made the same goof DaveScot did) There is a very strong similarity between their antics and those of grade schoolers, but I assure you, “grad” is spelled properly in my comment.

  46. #46 Inoculated Mind
    July 31, 2007

    oops, I guess it doesn’t like double-blockquotes. Tracy’s excerpted comment ends at the end of “UD antics.” My response begins at “Hehe”.

  47. #47 Christian Burnham
    July 31, 2007

    Sorry Torbjörn, you can’t ban yourself. You’re banned.

  48. #48 Stephen
    July 31, 2007

    Re: pages which are difficult to read. May I recommend the Opera browser? Just type Shift-G on a difficult-to-read page and the author styling is switched off, to give straightforward black-on-white in your preferred font size. No plugins etc needed. I use the feature regularly.

  49. #49 scienceteacherinexile
    August 1, 2007

    everyone here should be banned…
    oh sorry, then what would I read?

  50. #50 scienceteacherinexile
    August 1, 2007

    And by the by, PZ, put me in charge of the blog like Demski did for DS, and I will boot anyone who criticizes you or doesn’t kiss your ass. Or maybe it is just Dembski who needs to feel loved like that?

  51. #51 Marion Delgado
    August 1, 2007

    I doubt UD is actually representative of much besides Dembski. However, he and DaveScot running it as a Stalinist-theocratic hybrid is pretty amusing and indicative. I have posted there, asking if the blog was related to Donald Norman’s “The Psychology of Everyday Things” (which is the best book on intelligent design* ever written). No response, although I didn’t get banned.

    By the way, as near as I can calculate from using the Triple-Nine Society’s requirements, genius boy is claiming “somewhere north of” == >>

    1460 SAT combined

    AND 158 AGCT OR 75 NGCT (As far as I can determine, there IS no MGCT and never was one.),

    since that would be about 150 on the Stanford Binet and around that for the Wechsler.

    Just to point out the obvious, Marilyn Vos Savant, among others, doesn’t believe in Intelligent Design. And her 228 or so is very far north of DaveScot’s 150, so he loses. Indeed, if he can read a normal distribution, he’ll realize he’s somewhere around Panama and she’s in the Arctic Circle heading for the North Pole.

    *by people. Of everyday things. It’s through Norman that the concept of affordances became widely known.

  52. #52 Arnosium Upinarum
    August 1, 2007

    scienceteacherinexile #49 says, “And by the by, PZ, put me in charge of the blog like Demski did for DS, and I will boot anyone who criticizes you or doesn’t kiss your ass. Or maybe it is just Dembski who needs to feel loved like that?”

    Before that, you suggest everyone here should be banned, then wonder what you will read. Ah, I get it. Its a JOKE, isn’t it? With a very thin glaze of sarcasm. How sumptuous.

    The EFFORT involved in expressing such OUTRAGE over other people expressing their opinions independently of any authoritative stricture never ceases to amaze me. You simply amaze me.

    You know what? I find it sufficiently funny that you are exiled from both science and teaching. By way of context, it is wholly consistent and worth a good chuckle.

  53. #53 Arnosium Upinarum
    August 1, 2007

    Hembski Dembski sat on a wall

    Hembski Dembski had a great fall

    All of God’s horses and all of God’s men

    Couldn’t put Dembski together again

    and neither could the humans.

  54. #54 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    August 2, 2007

    Christian:

    Sorry Torbjörn, you can’t ban yourself. You’re banned.

    Oops, I forgot to buy the extra rule book to this game. Your help is appreciated.

    [I did get the rule book after that. According to catch-22, I revoked all bans, including my own, by reading catch-22. Oh, frak!]

  55. #55 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    August 2, 2007

    Christian:

    Sorry Torbjörn, you can’t ban yourself. You’re banned.

    Oops, I forgot to buy the extra rule book to this game. Your help is appreciated.

    [I did get the rule book after that. According to catch-22, I revoked all bans, including my own, by reading catch-22. Oh, frak!]

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