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Friday Cephalopod: Face like a flower

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Metasepia pfefferi

Figure from Cephalopods: A World Guide (amzn/b&n/abe/pwll), by Mark Norman.

Comments

  1. #1 Fernando Magyar
    February 29, 2008

    Only some one who hasn’t seen a flower all winter could say that resembles a flower. Looks more like a twisted hippo with a small owl sitting on it. Hmm, maybe I shouldn’t drive to work today, what the heck was in my coffee?

  2. #2 tai haku
    February 29, 2008

    Aww cute Flambo. They never posed that handily for me!

  3. #3 Will
    February 29, 2008

    I’m with fernando. Definitely more Dire-Hippo than flower.

  4. #4 maxi
    February 29, 2008

    A flower, really? What sort of shit weird flowers do you have in Minnesota?

  5. #5 Nadeen
    February 29, 2008

    A Venus Flytrap perhaps?

  6. #6 firemancarl
    February 29, 2008

    Thats a face only a mother could love!

  7. #7 Science Goddess
    February 29, 2008

    Great show last night on Maryland Public TV about cephalopods. They did the Flamboyant cuttlefish. Really interesting fellow. They also showed that octopi can learn a maze and are quite intelligent.

    We’re watching a lot more science shows (hooray) than “news”, since the only thing on is the election. We’re watching BBC news as well, just to find out what’s REALLY happening in the world.

    SG’s husband has control of the TV clicker (that damn Y chromosome again) at night, and “news” is what he likes. Sometimes I gain control and put on an opera.

    SG

  8. #8 skblllzzzz
    February 29, 2008

    There is some very nice video of this particular cuttlefish on the internet.

  9. #9 SEF
    February 29, 2008

    Hmm… I’d say it was more fungus-like, or even had hints of triceratops.

  10. #10 tintin
    February 29, 2008

    Flower. Definitely.

    And beautiful, whatever you decide it looks like.

  11. #11 Todd
    February 29, 2008

    I will have to get that book someday.

  12. #12 Todd
    February 29, 2008

    skblllzzzz,

    I just checked out the video. Awesome, a walking cuttlefish!

  13. #13 LARA
    February 29, 2008

    She looks really pissed. Or he. I’m not up on sexual dimorphism in Squid or, for that matter, how squid emotional states link up to squid color patterns. For all I know, she could be joking around and just has a bad P.R. rep like Jim Palmer.
    So what makes the Sepians so much more plentiful than the Metasepians anyway?

  14. #14 LARA
    February 29, 2008

    Correction, bad executive director, not P.R. rep. I err.

  15. #15 Shaggy Maniac
    February 29, 2008

    My vote is for flower; looks like an orchid to me.

  16. #16 Michelle
    February 29, 2008

    Purdyyyy. Can I have one?

  17. #17 LisaJ
    February 29, 2008

    Yikes! That thing is scary. It looks more like a crazy mutant rhinoceros to me. However, I do see a bit of a flower resemblance, so I’ll give you that!

  18. #18 Mike Haubrich, FCD
    February 29, 2008

    I see a marine ceratopsian, myself.

  19. #19 Disciple of "Bob"
    February 29, 2008

    My first thought was also “hippo”, but with a hint of the alien hunter from “Predator”.

  20. #20 coffeedryad
    February 29, 2008

    Looks sort of like a snapdragon, to me. Hippopotasnapdragon?

  21. #21 Matt H
    February 29, 2008

    Wow. Do the color changes correspond to muscular activity?

    That is just…cool.

  22. #22 Ric
    February 29, 2008

    Face like a flower? Is that anything like head like a hole?

  23. #23 zer0
    February 29, 2008

    Want one…. must…. have….. one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  24. #24 Kseniya
    February 29, 2008

    Obviously the work of the devil.

    O.o

  25. #25 Alec T
    February 29, 2008

    Interesting fact: this particular species is toxic! The only poisonous cuttlefish known. Beautiful photo by the way.

  26. #26 RamblinDude
    February 29, 2008

    Great video 8#. It’s like a walking LSD trip.

  27. #27 wÒÓ†
    February 29, 2008
  28. #28 Peter Ashby
    February 29, 2008

    I wish to add my voice to the those who think it looks like a hippo.

  29. #29 caynazzo
    February 29, 2008

    Definitely an orchid. Perhaps one of those that mimic moths.

  30. #30 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Just a reminder for the Boston folks : FUN TONIGHT.

  31. #31 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Just a reminder for the non-Boston folks: NO FUN TONIGHT.

    FSM help you if I find out any of you have been having unauthorised fun….

  32. #32 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    shit, where’d the link go?

    http://thegodofbiscuitsgospel.blogspot.com/2008/02/reminder-pharyngufest-tonight-at-700.html

    Sorry you poor saps outside New England. You should just live in a better place.

  33. #33 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    and I’m sure gerry will find plenty of voices to talk to wherever his room happens to be.

  34. #34 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Just a reminder for the non-Boston folks: NO FUN TONIGHT.
    FSM help you if I find out any of you have been having unauthorised fun….

    NO PRINCE FOR YOU!

  35. #35 Cthulhu
    February 29, 2008

    That’s hot!

  36. #36 stogoe
    February 29, 2008

    Everybody have fun tonight.

    (Everybody Wang Chung tonight!)

  37. #37 gerald spezio
    February 29, 2008

    Here are the voices that MAJeff listens to – in her own write.

    Here is MAJeff telling the world how to do
    science; also called getting “stuck in space”

    “One of the things I try to do with students, in dealing with cultural relativism, etc. is to note that there will be points of incommensurability between cultures, and you need to figure out how to decide between them, particularly if you’re stuck in the space between them or involved in such conflicts.
    Posted by: MAJeff | December 20, 2007 8:11 PM

    Here is MAJeff’s second dose of scientific technique & the deep wisdom of Methodical Relativism; an exercise in blindfolding technique.

    “Cultural relativism is most useful as a methodological strategy that acknowledges that condemning cultural practices does not necessarily contribute to our instrumental understanding of them. However, by this interpretation of cultural relativism, nothing prevents us from making ethical, moral, and political value judgments about our own or other cultures beyond the requirements of scientific inquiry.

    Agreed, particularly with the bolded part. I actually prefer to call it methodological relativism.”
    Posted by: MAJeff | December 20, 2007 8:54 PM

    What we need from MAJeff is an operationalized instruction (prescription) describing how she decides between conflicting positions & claims about the world.
    Especially since she claims to know so much.
    Just how, “do you figure it out”?
    Incommensurables is so buzzwordy & does’t convey any “Instrumental” information.

    MAJeff openly claims to be doing science but she blatantly advocates making “judgments” … “beyond the limits of scientific scrutiny.”

    MAJeff is an exercise in how bad muddleheaded thinking can get.
    Whatever you do don’t “listen” to these dead end sociological voices, unless you want to commit intellectual & scientific suicide.

    MAJeff is in conflict now, but all she can demonstrate is her childishness and desperate gutter name calling.

    Indeed, MAJeff demonstrates that “nothing prevents” MAJeff from making any cockamamy judgment that MAJeff finds titillating.

    Is that how you do “your science?”

  38. #38 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    NO PRINCE FOR YOU!

    MAJeff, I wish you all the best for tonight’s Pharynguloirée, I really do. But I also know there is a limit on how fun it can actually be, because no one, nowhere, can say they’ve ever truly lived until they’ve heard me karaoke “Raspberry Beret”.

    Or maybe I’m just jealous ’cause I can’t come. (To the ‘fest tonight, I mean.)

  39. #39 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Uh oh. Gerald’s upset about something, but I can’t for the life of me figure out what. Apparently, she’s mad at MAJeff for some reason.

  40. #40 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Aw, gerry, homophobia and sexism are so cute.

    We’re still waiting for, well, anything of substance from you.

  41. #41 Eddie Janssen
    February 29, 2008

    Triceratops to me. What do they know that we don’t?

  42. #42 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Gerry, I’ll give you one more for your list:

    suck it, motherfucker!

  43. #43 gerald spezio
    February 29, 2008

    Brownian OM, Perhaps it is to your advantage that you can’t understand MAJeff’s aphoristic dictum about how to do science?

    Neither can anybody else, especially if they are trying to do science.

    As MAJeff has told us;

    “However, by this interpretation of cultural relativism nothing prevents us from making ethical, moral, and political value judgments about our own or other cultures beyond the requirements of scientific inquiry.”

    “Judgments … beyond the requirements of scientific scrutiny” takes us into the mysterious post modern realm of “the social construction of reality and gender studies.”

    A realm beyond the pale of science, where all theories have their post modern voice and/or are so incomprehensible that “they are incommensurable.”

  44. #44 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    Gerry, you fucking twit.

    Oh, see that Gerry is switching about genders, perhaps I should go with this; Gerry, you fucking twat.

    Hey, I found that I am covered under both genders.

    The word Twat has various meanings, dependent upon regional dialect. Although its meaning in British English is usually that of ‘idiot’ or ‘stupid/idiotic/tasteless’ (male person), it is understood in America (and elsewhere) as a vulgar synonym for the human vulva,[1] vagina, or clitoris, and is used as a derogatory epithet.

    Wikipedia

  45. #45 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Brownian,

    First off, I’m queer. I’m an outspoken queer and feminist. And a sociologist. Gerry don’t like those folks.

    Second, I work the sociology of social movements–and have particularly worked with folks who concentrate in framing. I’m studying the marriage equality movement and their production and use of narratives. I use queer theory. I recognize that cultural content is malleable, but that when you take multiculturalism seriously, you have to recognize there are certain points within cultural belief systems that are in absolute conflict with each other, and ya gotta make choices. But, I’m a faggot sociologist, first and foremost…almost as bad as a peeyar zionist yuppie lawyer or something.

    And I poke him.

    Relentlessly, cruelly, and bitchily. I poke him and he’s out of his league. So, what you see are the results of a spittle-flecked monitor. While I giggle and keep saying, “Suck it, motherfucker,” content in the knowledge that more gibberish will follow.

    I think most of the quotes he pulled from Nisbett, or out of his ass in order to do some thing that he perceives as completely discrediting me. But, there’s some misfiring in that brain, so who knows…

    As others have said, Shut the fuck up, gerry.

  46. #46 gerald spezio
    February 29, 2008

    As I claimed above.

    “MAJeff is in conflict now, but all she can demonstrate is her childishness and desperate gutter name calling.”

    MAJeff responds; further demonstrating the gutter tactics of her stated post-modern science;

    “Gerry, I’ll give you one more for your list: suck it, motherfucker!”
    Posted by: MAJeff, OM | February 29, 2008 3:17 PM

    Confirmation received & recorded.

  47. #47 danley
    February 29, 2008

    Is that Jonathan wells?

  48. #48 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Oh, and my work is somehow related to DOCTOR Goebbels.

    But poking is fun.

  49. #49 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    wow, you must be a real scientist gerry.

  50. #50 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    Gerry, you fucking twit/twat. You seem to have missed Brownian was making fun of you.

    Have you given up on PZ answering any of your challenges so you have moved on? If that is so, you are still dealing people who are way out of your league. Keep trying though, some people do laugh at you. We all need our jesters.

  51. #51 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    I’m sorry MAJeff, I missed where the fucking twit compared you to Goebbels.

  52. #52 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    @haku:

    nice shot of that coney on your site.

    where was that?

  53. #53 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    I’m sorry MAJeff, I missed where the fucking twit compared you to Goebbels.

    It was one of those rants about yuppie framing and shit…they all just blend into one long incoherent rant, which is actually kind of why the poking is so much fun. I just never know which bizarre connections are gonna come flying out. It’s sort of like a random nonsense generator, driven by a chicken on the other end picking at keys–each of which produces different nonsense phrases–all in the hope that one combination will produce some fucking corn. Somebody’s been feeling hungry today.

    And that, gerry, is how you pwn someone.

  54. #54 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    wow, you must be a real scientist gerry.

    obvious without it, but I already established gerry lied about being a scientist, then lied about being a sociologist.

    past that, I haven’t even bothered.

  55. #55 gerald spezio
    February 29, 2008

    Continuing demonstration and confirmation;

    “Shut the fuck up, gerry.”

    Posted by: MAJeff, OM | February 29, 2008 3:32 PM

    Sometimes, even a humble attempt at doing scientific social science may produce some demonstration of predictive power?

  56. #56 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Only some one who hasn’t seen a flower all winter could say that resembles a flower. Looks more like a twisted hippo with a small owl sitting on it.

    That’s what I was thinking, too. I thought it was going to be a post about some ancient hippo ancestor or something, but it’s another cephalopod :(

  57. #57 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    obvious without it, but I already established gerry lied about being a scientist, then lied about being a sociologist.

    A slight correction, in the interest of objective science (poke, poke). I don’t believe he was lying about claiming to be a sociologist; he was attempting to slam sociologists, and thereby me. Such are the limitations of his prose, though.

  58. #58 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    First off, I’m queer.

    Aren’t we all, at least a little? I mean c’mon; we look at pictures of cuttlefish for fun!

    Anyways, if Gerald has a bone to pick with something someone said, then she should take it up on the thread where the comments were originally posted. To call out MAJeff for no reason on an unrelated thread just shows that she’s a catty bitch.

  59. #59 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    I don’t believe he was lying about claiming to be a sociologist

    beg to differ, but if that was just bad prose on his part… uh, why are we even bothering to respond again?

    he’s not funny (in a creobot kinda way).

    he’s not informative.

    he’s more than abrasive.

    kinda reminds me of John Davison, actually.

    frankly, I’m sure he’s gonna get tossed in the dungeon if he keeps it up.

    and won’t be missed in the slightest.

  60. #60 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    It’s sort of like a random nonsense generator, driven by a chicken on the other end picking at keys–each of which produces different nonsense phrases–all in the hope that one combination will produce some fucking corn. Somebody’s been feeling hungry today.

    And that, gerry, is how you pwn someone.

    Posted by: MAJeff, OM

    Now I am picturing Gerry as the dancing chicken at the end of Stroszek.

    But I will say this about him, he is a bit more unpredictable then the normal creationist troll.

  61. #61 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    To call out MAJeff for no reason on an unrelated thread just shows that she’s a catty bitch.

    speaking of objective, not that I give a shit about gerry, but it was Jeff (who likely is very tired of gerry pursuing him in every OTHER thread) who brought up gerry in #33.

    still, gerry’s fascination with Jeff does imply he wishes he were in New England for tonight’s party.

  62. #62 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    To call out MAJeff for no reason on an unrelated thread just shows that she’s a catty bitch.

    See, though, I really am a catty bitch. It’s why my friends love me. I’m the one who yelled out at Best Buy, “Thanks dead grandma” as I wheeled my new HDTV out. (No one knew how to react to that.)

    frankly, I’m sure he’s gonna get tossed in the dungeon if he keeps it up.

    poke, poke, poke. A bit of fun, a bit of accelerant.

  63. #63 gerald spezio
    February 29, 2008

    MAJeff asks:
    “We’re still waiting for, well, anything of substance from you.”

    Posted by: MAJeff, OM | February 29, 2008 3:07 PM

    Since you asked, I will repeat some documented substantive content.

    ” …nothing prevents us from making ethical, moral, and political value judgments about our own or other cultures beyond the requirements of scientific inquiry.”

    And therefore it follows that “nothing prevents” MAJeff from making any preposterous claim about anything. Moreover, she has sociological license to hurl any gutter epithet at her opponents because they offend her post-modern sensibilities and hurt her all pervasive feelings.

    Add “poking and giggling” as scientific methodology – to your pleas for “content.”

  64. #64 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    speaking of objective, not that I give a shit about gerry, but it was Jeff (who likely is very tired of gerry pursuing him in every OTHER thread) who brought up gerry in #33.

    Why do you liberals hate freedom so much?*

    I’m the one who yelled out at Best Buy, “Thanks dead grandma” as I wheeled my new HDTV out.

    Apparently one of my best friends here is your personality doppelgänger, MAJeff.

    *I’ve decided to coopt this phrase for whenever someone points out that I’m wrong.

  65. #65 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    Gerry, you fucking twit,”poke poke” is pure Python “Nudge! Nudge!” Know what I mean.

  66. #66 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Gerald, MAJeff is male. You should use he, him, or his and not she, her, or her(s).

    If you’re not sure when to use which, feel free to ask me. I’m nothing if not helpful.

  67. #67 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    Why do you liberals hate freedom so much?*

    because obviously we need to take all of our social cues from authority figures?

    We secretly love Reagan, and we all went to his public wake.

  68. #68 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Wow, gerry. Are you sure you understand English?

  69. #69 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    Brownian! Sssshhhhhhh… We were trying to keep that a secret from Gerry.

  70. #70 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    I think gerry is still pissed that I judge the sale of girls into marriage to be a bad thing. Maybe I’ve interrupted his dating strategy.

  71. #71 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    And therefore it follows that “nothing prevents” MAJeff from making any preposterous claim about anything.

    nice projection, but the problem Mr. “Ihateyouwhywon’tyouvalidatemyfeelings” is that, sure, you can make any preposterous claim you wish, but you have to accept you’re gonna get called on it, and severely trounced if you continue to do so.

    why don’t you quit while you’re behind?
    take a break for a while; there’s thousands of other forums where you can complain that nobody is taking you seriously.

  72. #72 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    I think gerry is still pissed that I judge the sale of girls into marriage to be a bad thing. Maybe I’ve interrupted his dating strategy.

    Posted by: MAJeff, OM

    Because only a feminist bitch could be opposed to that.

  73. #73 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Gerald, MAJeff is male. You should use he, him, or his and not she, her, or her(s).

    You mean it wasn’t a rhetorical strategy aimed at (not-so-subtly) making fun of the fact I’m gay and simultaneously attempting to feminize me? You mean it was an honest mistake, and not intentional use of homophobia and misogyny? Damn me for studying those gendered linguistic patterns and their political deployment. Makes me so untrusting.

  74. #74 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    nobody is taking you seriously.

    Posted by: Ichthyic

    I think it is time for Gerry to meet nobody. I smell friendship!

  75. #75 thalarctos
    February 29, 2008

    Now, now–gerry’s performing a valuable public service here, and I, for one, thank him for the demonstration.

    Remember, boys and girls, for it to do any good, you have to get the rabies shots *before* symptoms appear.

  76. #76 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    All of a sudden, my blokequoting skills have gone wonky.

  77. #77 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    I think it is time for Gerry to meet nobody. I smell friendship!

    I rather think meeting nobody is how gerry ended up here in the first place.

    Is this a catch 22?

    gerry, maybe you just hit the wrong site?

    try this one, maybe?

    http://www.eharmony.com

    I guarantee that if nobody responds to you there, you two were meant for each other.

  78. #78 gerald spezio
    February 29, 2008

    This is MAJeff’s most recent post.

    Any observer can’t miss the deep “content” It shows how she suffers from cruel persecution at the hands of muthaf’ers, pigf’ers, twits, twats, & has to endure all manner of vicious attacks.

    “poke, poke, poke. A bit of fun, a bit of accelerant.”

    Posted by: MAJeff, OM | February 29, 2008 4:10 PM

    It would appear that MAJeff wants to “accelerate” her desperate need to inform us about her sexual preferences as monumentally important, have fun, do some sociological “poking”, as well as filling us in on how to do science.

  79. #79 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    You mean it wasn’t a rhetorical strategy aimed at (not-so-subtly) making fun of the fact I’m gay and simultaneously attempting to feminize me?

    Oh, I considered that. However, if that is the case, then that would make Gerald a Piece Of Fucking Shit Homophobe Fuck and I will be forced into verbally sticking a knife in his gut every time I encounter him. Thankfully, he’s learned to keep his Jew-hating to himself, thus sparing him from the wrath of Brownian, at least for a little while.

    So I’m offering Gerald an easy out by allowing him the assumption that it’s an honest mistake on his part.

    He should consider taking my offer very seriously.

  80. #80 Kseniya
    February 29, 2008

    Bostonians: Fun Tonight.

    It’s tonight? Oh. Being swamped with work and the walking pnemonia has frazzled my brain for the past twelve days. I can’t possibly make it, but have fun without me. (You will have more fun without me than with me. Trust me.)

    Someday we’ll all get to hear Brownian’s karaoke version of “Darling Nikki”.

  81. #81 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    Brownian, it is because Gerry is anti-semitic homophobic misogynist that I do not feel at all bad about mocking him.

  82. #82 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Gerry, what fucking part of “MAJeff is male” can your tiny little fucking brain not understand?

    Should I spell it out for you again, or are basic reading skills, like basic writing skills, so fucking far beyond your ability that it’s a waste of time?

  83. #83 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    I can’t possibly make it, but have fun without me.

    And here I was under the impression that you were somehow cool, Kseniya.

  84. #84 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Someday we’ll all get to hear Brownian’s karaoke version of “Darling Nikki”.

    If we’re doing karaoke, I might actually break my 14-years of silence (I haven’t sung publicly since I graduated). Gotta work on the falsetto if I’m gonna get that George Michael shit really working :)

    C’mon over tonight…I’m going to stink like icy/hot (putting one of those nasty pads on my back before I leave the house). I’m debating how much beer to have (and starting to hope they have free wi-fi). Looking for the batteries for my phone (and it will be a hat night–I need a haircut so bad).

    So, come to the bar, just don’t share your drink. A bit o beer and you’ll be feeling nothing!

  85. #85 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    Someday we’ll all get to hear Brownian’s karaoke version of “Darling Nikki”.

    Posted by: Kseniya

    Your darling little Brownie wants to grind, to grind, to grind…

  86. #86 Kseniyaroke
    February 29, 2008

    I don’t recall MAJeff asking anyone to refer to him using feminine pronouns, so I conclude that Gerald has chosen to “poke” at Jeff’s sexual orientation. Yawn.

  87. #87 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    It would appear that MAJeff wants to “accelerate” her desperate need to inform us about her sexual preferences as monumentally important, have fun, do some sociological “poking”, as well as filling us in on how to do science.

    nobody cares what it appears like to you, gerry.

    In fact, nobody is waiting for you over on eharmony.com

    I’m sure you two will be very happy together.

  88. #88 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Now I feel the need to sing. Thankfully there’s a seedy little hole-in-the-wall just down the street that has both “Mack the Knife” and “Strokin'”.

  89. #89 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Now I feel the need to sing. Thankfully there’s a seedy little hole-in-the-wall just down the street that has both “Mack the Knife” and “Strokin'”

    I’ve been jamming out in the house to “Don’t Leave Me This Way” for two days. The problem is that as a baritone that “Baby!” is a bit high at times…especially if I’m trying to avoid the type of volume I really need to hit the note.

  90. #90 Dark Matter
    February 29, 2008

    Now back to the picture:

    Does anybody know if this is actually some
    kind of threat display?

  91. #91 Kseniya
    February 29, 2008

    Jeff, thanks, I take your “c’mon” as very very flattering, but I’m serious when I say I can’t possibly make it. It’s a long drive, I feel like hell, and most importantly I’d be blowing off my little brother if I went out. (Long story.)

    Drowing my symptons in alcohol isn’t an option, either, but so far that hasn’t keep me out of many bars. ;-)

  92. #92 MAJeff, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Kseniya, we’ll tip one in your honor!

    Now, I’m about to head out the door…I hope this icy/hot don’t stink too bad.

  93. #93 Kseniya
    February 29, 2008

    Have fun! Say “hi” to everyone for me!

  94. #94 mona
    February 29, 2008

    I drew a picture of a cephalopod yesterday. It looks less like a flower than the photo here. http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5913/cephalopodcd1.jpg

  95. #95 gerald spezio
    February 29, 2008

    MAJeff’s sexual orientation is an absolute non-issue for me – a complete waste of brain cells.

    MAJeff appears to be pathologically focused on sexuality and primarily on HIS sexual orientation/identity/difficulties/happiness – not me.

    I will refer to anybody with any pronoun that they specify.

    MAJeff has refered to himself as “a catty bitch” and a “fabulously flaming queen.”

    MAJeff is the linguistic determinist – not me.

    All the rest is childish “reading in” or a variation of lit crit, and MAJeff demonstrates it routinely and passionately.

    Talk about “reading in” in order to frame the debate.

    MAJeff can “frame” himself anyway he wants.

    Let us all praise gender studies and agonize about the wrongs committed against MAJeff’s sexual orientation, sexual preferences, & the misuse of the proper pronouns concerning, as always MAJeff.

  96. #96 Kseniya
    February 29, 2008

    Yes, it’s a threat display.

    Oh! You mean the cephalopod…?

  97. #97 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    I drew a picture of a cephalopod yesterday. It looks less like a flower than the photo here.

    Not bad, actually.

    reminds me of squid I’ve seen at night while diving.

  98. #98 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    a complete waste of brain cells.

    a description of yourself I doubt most would disagree with, Gerry.

    well done.

  99. #99 gerald spezio
    February 29, 2008

    Ichthyic, you always devastate your opponents.

    You are one perceptive scoundrel.

    I am crushed by your depth and your ability to transcend all the narcissistic pettiness.

  100. #100 Ichthyic
    February 29, 2008

    I am crushed by your depth and your ability to transcend all the narcissistic pettiness.

    Hansen: You scared?
    Nash: [sarcastically] Terrified. Mortified. Petrified. Stupefied… by you.

    he still lost though.

    I wonder if you and Nash share something else in common?

  101. #101 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    Gerry, you fucking twit. Such tortured thinking to justify you attempts to be insulting. Seems you do not understand how the language is used. So sorry that everyday usage is beyond you.
    But it is not surprising, you are out of your depths.

    As for narcissistic pettiness, you are the one who kept calling out to PZ, in essence demanding that he answer your charges, if he did not do so, everything he say was wrong. Such a high opinion of yourself. Fucking twit.

  102. #102 Samantha Vimes
    February 29, 2008

    An *orchid*. I was expecting something different, but, indeed, once I adjusted to it not looking like, say, a peony, I could see the orchid resemblance clearly.

  103. #103 Brownian, OM
    February 29, 2008

    Anyone else having trouble reading the title of this post without being assailed by a Roxette earworm?

  104. #104 Janine
    February 29, 2008

    Funny, what came to my mind was Head Like A Hole.

  105. #105 MAJeff, OM
    March 1, 2008

    Kseniya,

    Next time you’re coming out with us Bostonians. I have no pictures (camera stayed in the bag) but I’d guess around 25 or so people..ended up at several tables and lots of laughter.

  106. #106 MAJeff, OM
    March 1, 2008

    Oh noes! camp!

  107. #107 revmonkeyboy
    March 1, 2008

    How did a picture of a cuttlefish end up as a meaningless rant about who is more abusive? I am a newcomer to the blog and do not know the personalities that frequent it, but come on. This has nothing to do with biology, evolution, or cuttlefish.

  108. #108 Hap
    March 1, 2008

    Gerald seems to have transcended his medications (transcended may not be the right word but it’s what I have). At least it keeps him out of trouble, though, although he/she/it might try another hobby, one that doesn’t require so much interpersonal interaction. Perhaps needlepoint?

    Yes, this thread is OT. It’s a blog, and one where random creationists come to play their psychological trials out in public convert atheists. I don’t think being on topic is a high priority.

  109. #109 rijkswaanvijand
    March 1, 2008

    I’ll have to agree with Gerald.. And the fluorescent rhinothingy for that matter.
    Damn sure as hell wonder what any sociologist was scienceblogging for in the first place..

  110. #110 Ba'al
    March 1, 2008

    I saw a hippo for sure.

  111. #111 gerald spezio
    March 2, 2008

    rijkswaanvijand, if you don’t watch out whom you agree with, you could be accused of being some kind of a pervert or something more worser.

    I use a fluorescentrhinothingy in my science & gender studies, but it doesn’t have a gender – it’s similar to the square root of minus one.

    I use the “fl..ingy” whenever I need to fill in a blank or crucify the people I don’t like.

  112. #112 MAJeff, OM
    March 2, 2008

    Oh noes, the pecking chicken is hungry again.

    Get the popcorn folks.

  113. #113 Carlie
    March 2, 2008

    Darn it, not only did I have to miss the Boston meetup, but I missed the majority of the gerald pile-on too? Now I have to catch up.

    MAJeff’s sexual orientation is an absolute non-issue for me – a complete waste of brain cells.

    Then why do you insist on referring to him with feminine pronouns, even after you’ve been corrected several times (including by him?) No one else has ever referred to him here as female, he’s never referred to himself as female. Your doing so is indicative that something about his sexuality is very front and center in your brain, albeit in some weird twisted kind of way. Hm, maybe there’s a bit of a crush going on? Indeed, the pictures recently posted of him show him to be pretty hot, and he is quite witty, so it’s no surprise you would be sucked in by the goodness of the biscuit god.

    I highly doubt that you are either a scientist or a sociologist, so I’m not sure why you seem to have so much to say on the matter (besides the crush, that is), but I’m a scientist, I’ve probably been following MAJeff’s comments a lot longer than you have, and he’s always been quite insightful regarding the post topics.

  114. #114 gerald spezio
    March 2, 2008

    Some blogs ago I wrote;
    “When you hear iyam a sociologist; run for cover.”

    What I should have written, especially for subsequent interpretation;
    When you hear somebody say, “I am a
    sociologist;” run for cover.

    THAT’S ALL THAT OCCURRED, PERIOD.
    An attempt at “objective reality”

    Here is MAJeff’s self-indulgent personalizing lit crit;

    “A slight correction, in the interest of objective science (poke, poke). I don’t believe he was lying about claiming to be a sociologist; he was attempting to slam sociologists, and thereby me. Such are the limitations of his prose, though.”
    Posted by: MAJeff, OM | February 29, 2008 3:55 PM

    And more personalizing;

    “You mean it wasn’t a rhetorical strategy aimed at (not-so-subtly) making fun of the fact I’m gay and simultaneously attempting to feminize me? You mean it was an honest mistake, and not intentional use of homophobia and misogyny? Damn me for studying those gendered linguistic patterns and their political deployment. Makes me so untrusting.”

    Posted by: MAJeff, OM | February 29, 2008 4:34 PM

    And this jewel; It’s all about ME, ME, ME, …

    “Oh, and my work is somehow related to DOCTOR Goebbels.

    But poking is fun.”

    Posted by: MAJeff, OM | February 29, 2008 3:35 PM
    But of course,, Everything in the world is about MAJeff and Jeff’s sexuality.

    Lastly, I thought that he was a she – that’s it.

    And the deep “meaning” here;

    “Gerry, I’ll give you one more for your list:
    suck it, motherfucker!”
    Posted by: MAJeff, OM | February 29, 2008 3:17 PM

  115. #115 MAJeff, OM
    March 2, 2008

    gerry, stop trying to hit me and hit me!

  116. #116 Janine
    March 2, 2008

    Gerry, you fucking twit.

  117. #117 thalarctos
    March 2, 2008

    Way to prove you’re not obsessed with MAJeff, Gerry.

    Carlie said everything better than I could have, so I’ll just second what she said, Jeff. Ignore the end-stage rabies cases, or poke them into a froth, whichever amuses you more; it doesn’t change that fact at all.

  118. #118 Carlie
    March 2, 2008

    #37, you called MAJeff a she, although “Jeff” has never been a feminine name that I can think of.

    #44, reference to the fact that you’ve gotten your gender pronouns mixed up. #45, ditto. Admittedly, not said in the clearest sort of way, but still there are hints that all is not well in pronoun world.

    #46, you call him a she again.

    #66, called out directly, clearly, unambiguously, that MAJeff is male.

    #78, you called him a she again.

    #82, you are called out on it yet again.

    #85, you finally switch to calling him “him”, yet defend your previous use by claiming that his descriptors of flaming queen and catty bitch somehow mean that it’s ok to use female pronouns for him.

    So this:”Lastly, I thought that he was a she – that’s it.”
    is amazingly revisionist history that doesn’t hold. Honestly, it’s a blog thread. All of the information stays right there. Even if that was an honest mistake the first time, you kept on doing it after being corrected, and then tried to say that it was somehow MAJeff’s fault.

  119. #119 gerald spezio
    March 2, 2008

    RE; so-called hitting syndrome;

    “And I poke him.

    Relentlessly, cruelly, and bitchily. I poke him and he’s out of his league. So, what you see are the results of a spittle-flecked monitor. While I giggle and keep saying, “Suck it, motherfucker,” content in the knowledge that more gibberish will follow.”
    Posted by: MAJeff, OM | February 29, 2008 3:32 PM

  120. #120 Janine
    March 2, 2008

    Gerry, you fucking twit.

  121. #121 thalarctos
    March 2, 2008

    (Gerald quoting MAJeff, though you’d never know it from his total inability to blockquote properly): While I giggle and keep saying, “Suck it, motherfucker,” content in the knowledge that more gibberish will follow.”

    And you’re disproving his point, how, exactly?

  122. #122 MAJeff, OM
    March 2, 2008

    And you’re disproving his point, how, exactly?

    I can has hypothesis testing? We failz to reject null hypothesis.

  123. #123 thalarctos
    March 2, 2008

    I can has hypothesis testing? We failz to reject null hypothesis.

    LOL–Gerry disproves your hypothesis that he’ll post more gibberish BY POSTING MORE GIBBERISH!

    Gerry, surely even you can see the contradiction in that?

  124. #124 MAJeff, OM
    March 2, 2008

    Gerry, surely even you can see the contradiction in that?

    This, however, is our null hypothesis:

    Gerry, you fucking twit.

    It has not been rejected in any test thus far. It’s getting pretty close to being spezio’s law.

  125. #125 gerald spezio
    March 2, 2008

    RE: GIBBERISH & hypothesis testing.
    On Dec. 21, 1907 in my first contact, I responded about MAJeff’s stated GIBBERISH;

    MAJeff stated above;

    “One of the things I try to do with students, in dealing with cultural relativism, etc. is to note that there will be points of incommensurability between cultures, and you need to figure out how to decide between them, particularly if you’re stuck in the space between them or involved in such conflicts.”

    If this is your prescription for doing social science, you are demonstrating it very well.

    “(P)oints of incommensurability(sic)between cultures” is literary GIBBERISH conveying absolutely no information.

    “how to decide between them” is more un-operationalized GIBBERISH.

    “Stuck in the space between them” is a prescription for intellectual suicide, or an possibly an exercise in science fiction.

    You are a muddleheaded “sociologist” alright!

    Posted by: gerald spezio | December 21, 2007 7:44 PM

    MAJeff has gone on & on about my so-called GIBBERISH ever since, but never addressed the critical content of his methodical relativism.

    During his scholarly process of “poking” behavior, he has routinely accused me of spouting GIBBERISH as well as being a “motherfucker,” pigfucker, twit, twat, etc.

  126. #126 MAJeff, OM
    March 2, 2008

    Janine?

  127. #127 gerald spezio
    March 2, 2008

    Throckmorten help!
    He is out of “HIS” league.
    He keeps “hitting me.”
    Let’s have some – Twit or Twat?
    Something!
    How I suffer.

  128. #128 Brownian, OM
    March 2, 2008

    “(P)oints of incommensurability(sic)between cultures” is literary GIBBERISH conveying absolutely no information.

    Read an ethnography about a non-Western, non-literate culture, Gerry.

    Your ignorance is not evidence.

  129. #129 blf
    March 2, 2008

    Any claim of spezio spouting gibberish is proven by a simple examination of spezio’s comments. What’s in doubt is the degree to which spezio understands science, logic, human relations, and English.

  130. #130 MAJeff, OM
    March 2, 2008

    it’s rather odd to have this fool criticize me for saying that cultures–as systems of belief and ways of understanding and giving meaning to the world–are sometimes incompatible with each other on certain points. And that he further doesn’t comprehend that I’m saying that when such systems come into conflict with each other, particularly in the lives of people (since that’s who produce culture) that such incompatibilies can produce problems, particularly when those conflicts are played out through the bodies of people. Indeed, as I recall, this conversation was about the sale of child brides, and I was making the points that 1) it must suck to have those conflicts playing out through your life; and 2) when these conflicts occur there needs to be a system of deciding between certain values (for instance, the right to bodily autonomy versus the right for a man to buy you when you’re 11 years old).

    Further, I find it hard to understand that one would confuse techniques of study that allow people to get inside different belief systems (“methodological relativism”), in order to understand what’s going on with judgments that “anything goes” when I was taking the position that, 1) no anything does not go (like selling kids); 2) He was taking a morally relativist position in arguing that there wasn’t even a problem other than Zionist Peeyar.

    Sorry gerry: Stop trying to hit me and hit me.

  131. #131 MAJeff, OM
    March 2, 2008

    gerry,

    suck it motherfucker.

  132. #132 MAJeff, OM
    March 2, 2008

    He keeps “hitting me.”

    and for christ’s sake, read the whole fucking sentence–out loud if you have to–and then go watch “The Matrix.”

    Lord, this boy is stupid.

  133. #133 Janine
    March 2, 2008

    Janine?

    Posted by: MAJeff, OM

    Sorry Jeff, I have been busy with other activities.
    Gerry? Suffer? They only suffering being done are by those who choose to try to understand what you mean. But not me babe, I’m too precious. Fuck off!

    Gerry, you fucking twit.

  134. #134 Ichthyic
    March 2, 2008

    MAJeff has gone on & on about my so-called GIBBERISH ever since, but never addressed the critical content of his methodical relativism.

    is there any way to make:

    *YAWN*

    any louder?

    *FUCKING YAWN*

    maybe?

    is there code to increase font size?

  135. #135 Janine
    March 2, 2008

    This how I imagine what life must be like for Gerry.

  136. #136 AndrewG
    March 3, 2008

    Looks like a T-1000 Cephalopod has just been fed a grenade… Give it a minute, and it’ll be back to normal.

    PS My first post, too obscure?

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