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Pledge poll

George Docherty, a pastor who claimed to have been responsible for convincing congress to stick “under god” into the pledge of allegiance, has died. In his honor, and a fitting honor it is, AOL is putting up a stupid poll: Should the phrase ‘under God’ be in the Pledge of Allegiance? Right now, the voting is 89% yes, 11% no. How about jazzing up his memorial with a rebuke?

Comments

  1. #1 Happy Trollop
    November 29, 2008

    Yes, o my master. I read, and I obey… Must cast vote in pointless poll.

    (Maybe a couple o’ times. Who’s counting, after all?)

  2. #2 Sastra
    November 29, 2008

    Quick quote dump:

    “What then of the honest atheist? … He cannot deny the Christian revelation and logically live by the Christian ethic, and if he denies the Christian ethic, he falls short of the American ideal of life.” (Rev Doherty, in sermon that inspired adding “Under God” to the Pledge)

    “…once a person admits to not believing in God, this raises the question of whether or not that person believes in America . . .” – – [Chief spokesman for National office of the Boy Scouts]

    On June 14, 1954, by act of Congress, the words “Under God” were added to the Pledge of Allegiance with President Eisenhower explicitly declaring the religious purpose of that legislation. “From this day forward, millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our Nation and our People to the Almighty,” said Eisenhower.

    “Our government makes no sense unless it is founded on a deeply held religious belief – and I don’t care what it is.” (Eisenhower)

  3. #3 'Tis Himself
    November 29, 2008

    For those who might be interested, AOL uses six cookies for anyone who votes on this poll. If you remove all of them, you can vote again.

  4. #4 ignatov
    November 29, 2008

    “…once a person admits to not believing in God, this raises the question of whether or not that person believes in America . . .”

    And yet if a person had an allegiance to neither he would have no trouble falsely swearing allegiance to either. I guess the oath only works on traitors who are morally opposed to fibbing.

  5. #5 Kassul
    November 29, 2008

    Yes 87%
    No 13%
    Total Votes: 7,175
    We’ve just gotten the story posted, and already the %s have shifted a little bit.
    :)

  6. #6 Stygian Lamprey
    November 29, 2008

    must…pharyngulate…FASTER!

  7. #7 Jadehawk
    November 29, 2008

    what was the firebug code for perpetual poll-voting, again…?

  8. #8 Don
    November 29, 2008

    Hey, I caught one early! Usually these things are heavily in our favor by the time I read about them. I shall enjoy watching the tables turn.

  9. #9 Parker
    November 29, 2008

    I love poll-fucking.
    15% ‘No’ so far.

  10. #10 dssstrkl
    November 29, 2008

    Actually, AOL adds 14 cookies…

  11. #11 Jadehawk
    November 29, 2008

    hmm….the yes votes are rising quicker than the no votes. seems we’re not the only ones poll-crashing

  12. #12 Beans
    November 29, 2008

    Classy.

  13. #13 sam
    November 29, 2008

    I don’t see a poll :\

  14. #14 Capital Dan
    November 29, 2008

    AOL polls are notoriously tough to Pharyngulize. They’ve got a massive crowd of god-soaked idiots making up their users.

  15. #15 Kassul
    November 29, 2008

    Sam @ #13
    Are you running Firefox & NoScript? Or otherwise have javascript disabled?

    It’s just under the picture, below them holding hands on my screen.

    Update:
    Yes 83%
    No 17%
    Total Votes: 11,772

  16. #16 Eclogite
    November 29, 2008

    82% yes, 18% no as of right now.

  17. #17 Paul
    November 29, 2008

    I think some believer got wind of this Pharynulation because it’s shifted back to 89%/11%

  18. #18 Kassul
    November 29, 2008

    eh, it’s not showing those numbers here Paul

    Should the phrase “under God” be in the Pledge of Allegiance?
    Yes
    82% 11,077
    No
    18% 2,488
    Note on Poll Results
    Total Votes: 13,565

  19. #19 PZ Myers
    November 29, 2008

    Yes, I think there are a few groups watching for my poll announcements, and motivating others to vote contrary to my position. It’s OK. What they don’t get is that my position is that these polls are hokum, and all they’re doing is vindicating me by crashing the poll, too.

  20. #20 Capital Dan
    November 29, 2008

    PZ Myers | November 29, 2008 11:05 PM

    Yes, I think there are a few groups watching for my poll announcements, and motivating others to vote contrary to my position.

    For some reason, that just cracks me up. I just picture some twitchy, gomer-esque sentry out there just waiting for you to make an announcement, and then it’s off to email the hive.

  21. #21 george.wiman
    November 29, 2008

    For some reason, that just cracks me up. I just picture some twitchy, gomer-esque sentry out there just waiting for you to make an announcement, and then it’s off to email the hive.

    It’s Ned Flanders, up late, documenting the offensive bits…

  22. #22 Red Nomad
    November 29, 2008

    up to 20% when I voted. Keep it up!

  23. #23 Derek
    November 29, 2008

    Yes 80%

    No 20%

    Skewer away, folks.

  24. #24 EboTebo
    November 29, 2008

    The Pharynguation has begun!!!!BWAAAAHHAAAA!!!!

  25. #25 EboTebo
    November 29, 2008

    Pharyngulation!!

  26. #26 Parker
    November 29, 2008

    I’m gonna be honest. I don’t have friends as most regular people do, thus I have nothing to do tonight then sit here and vote.

  27. #27 watercat
    November 29, 2008

    I’ve never liked the “under god” because it contradicts the very next word “indivisible”. Will a million denominations divided over what’s right, you could only be indivisible if one of them was made dictator.

  28. #28 Bob
    November 29, 2008

    It don’t matter..according Rabbi Shifren we’re all Mormons!!

  29. #29 Parker
    November 29, 2008

    Well, when I first visited the poll, it was found within the context of the article. It was just a simple ‘should god…in the pledge of allegiance’ and you could click ‘yes’ or ‘no’. Now, AOL has changed the format, showing the results immediately ad then having a link explaining that the poll is ‘not scientific and only shows the percent of people who visit the website’. Hmm… I wonder if this would have been different if the ‘No’ hadn’t gained so quickly on the ‘Yes’.
    Love to all. Keep up the awesomeness.

  30. #30 PeteC
    November 29, 2008

    What is “AOL”?

  31. #31 Nerd of Redhead
    November 29, 2008

    AOL = America On LIne, at one time a very large internet service provider, now more into internet content. Equivalent of MSN or Yahoo.

  32. #32 Martin
    November 29, 2008

    I think some xians may be trying to crash the poll – I voted 4 times (just clear the cookie between each vote), Yes increasing faster than No.
    1. Yes 14,619 No 3,759
    2. Yes 14,635 (+16) No 3,766 (+7)
    3. Yes 14,708 (+73) No 3,785 (+19)
    4. Yes 14,766 (+58) No 3,803 (+18)
    One more time
    Yes 15,044 (+288) No 3,890 (+87)

  33. #33 jorge666
    November 30, 2008

    By your command. Done…

  34. #34 Anon
    November 30, 2008

    The scale tips back, as Christians justify their actions. “Thou shalt not bear false witness” was clearly not intended to apply to internet polls, after all.

    Or maybe this one poll is seen as more important than the eternal torture of their souls.

    Or maybe they just don’t really believe.

    Whatever, the scale tips back.

  35. #35 Martin
    November 30, 2008

    Over 20,000 votes now – we are still getting outvoted. Compared to report by Kassul in #18 –
    Yes 15,844 (+4,767) No 4,169 (+1,681)

    So we are being outvoted 3-1. We can close the gap to 75-25 but no better UNLESS WE GET EVERYONE VOTING!!!!!

  36. #36 chancelikely
    November 30, 2008

    I feel he deserves some sort of lifetime irony award for splitting up the phrase “one nation indivisible”.

    Or maybe that’s an acknowledgement that religion is divisive like nothing else?

  37. #37 Bjørn Østman
    November 30, 2008

    Damn, this is a regular poll-crash war. And we’re losing!

  38. #38 Che
    November 30, 2008

    This is AOL we’re dealing with. Even our numbers might not be able defeat this level of stupidity.

  39. #39 BGT
    November 30, 2008

    does anyone have a good script for Firefox to use for this poll? I am a bit tired of clicking back and forth. I don’t participate in poll crashing much, but this one is worthy of my attention.

  40. #40 Phoesune
    November 30, 2008

    Pharyngulators!

    Mount Up!

  41. #41 CalGeorge
    November 30, 2008

    The question is not, “Should God be in the pledge?”

    It’s “Should there be a pledge of allegiance?”

    No matter what you put in or take out of the pledge, it’s still a stupid exercise in brainwashing.

  42. #42 minus
    November 30, 2008

    clicked, voted, clicked, voted, clicked, voted,

    Gasps for breath

    clicked, voted, clicked, voted,

    Pant, gasp,

    Clicked, voted, clicked, voted,

    Gasp, I don’t know how much longer I can hold out.

    Clicked, voted, clicked, voted

    Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more

    Clicked, voted, clic…, vo…

    Slump

    Tell mom I love her.

  43. #43 Derech Haweb
    November 30, 2008

    maybe it should be changed to “under all gods and goddesses and minor dieties and Sacred Squids”

  44. #44 IBY
    November 30, 2008

    Fight! Fight! Fight!
    Poll fights! ^_^
    Not that it matters whether we are winning or losing. So pointles…

  45. #45 mothra
    November 30, 2008

    This is the first time I have taken part in ‘pharyngulation.’ The pledge itself is evil, let alone the phrase ‘one nation under god.’ I quit saying the pledge shortly after I learned it because I realized (even as a grade schooler) that I did not believe it.

  46. #46 currie jean
    November 30, 2008

    Good advice there, with the cookie deletion.

    For those who don’t know:

    1) Vote “no.”
    2) Go to tools > internet options
    3) Under “Browsing History” choose “Delete”
    4) In the new window, click the “Delete cookies” button
    5) Refresh, revote!
    6) Profit!!

    Note:
    Deleting all your cookies means your sign-in information won’t be saved the next time you visit your favorite websites – but it’ll be back again the next time you sign in there and choose “remember me.” :)

  47. #47 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    **YAY**

    I love poll crashing! :-)

  48. #48 Goatboy
    November 30, 2008

    Crash the GOOD READ poll above the comments too!

  49. #49 Jimminy Christmas
    November 30, 2008

    Oh hey cool! A pledge poll thread! Can I pledge that I’ll be celibate until marriage here???

    Oh wait I’m already married, nevermind. *whew*

    Anyway, what are we voting on?

  50. #50 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    If you have a web browser that you don’t use, then you don’t have to loose all your cookies to keep re voting.

    I use Mozilla Firefox, but I still have a copy of internet explorer on my computer that I never use. So I’m just using internet explorer too keep voting and delete cookies and history, then revote, etc., etc., etc…….

    Come on people, we need as many people to keep revoting as fast as possible……….

  51. #51 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    Come on guys, I’m clicking and voting, and clicking and voting, and clicking and voting, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    Everyone help!

  52. #52 Bacopa
    November 30, 2008

    Crashed it. “No” was up to 22%. We may yet win this.

    And yes! Why do we have a pledge anyway? Always seemed weird to me to make children who have no capacity to do harm to the US take a loyalty oath.

  53. #53 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    Come on guys, I’m clicking and voting, and clicking and voting, and clicking and voting, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    Everyone help!

  54. #54 currie jean
    November 30, 2008

    23%!

  55. #55 John B. Sandlin
    November 30, 2008

    Google’s browser has this thing called incognito browsing…. no cached cookies…

  56. #56 Jimminy Christmas
    November 30, 2008

    Why do we have a pledge anyway? Always seemed weird to me to make children who have no capacity to do harm to the US take a loyalty oath.

    If there was no pledge all American children would turn into pinko commie homosexual atheists! DUH! What outfit are you with, soldier?

  57. #57 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    To #55….

    Ooooh, which browser is that? chrome????

    Please tell me, and I will egt it right away :-)

  58. #58 Walter Scott
    November 30, 2008

    You guys should totally look into curl.. “curl -d ” lets you post info from the (linux/unix/mac osx) command line and only saves cookies if you tell it to.

  59. #59 currie jean
    November 30, 2008

    I’ve taken the advice – I’m browsing incognito with google chrome and set it to block all cookies. Vote, refresh, vote, refresh, awesome!

    I don’t know much about cookies, techies, so – is it possible for the blocking of all cookies to prevent my vote from being counted?

  60. #60 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    *yay*

    I love Google Chrome!!!!

  61. #61 John B. Sandlin
    November 30, 2008

    Yes, Chrome. Copy the vote page link addy and the Ctl-Shift-N to create an Incognito window, Ctl-V to paste the link, press enter, then scroll down and vote. You have to close the incognito window after each vote.

    jbs

  62. #62 jorge666
    November 30, 2008

    While crashing this puppy – Firefox – vote – tools – clear private data – check box marked cookies – right click reload – vote again. It looks like the godbotters are out at 2300 hours PST. It was 77% YES and 23% NO but the vote totals were running 2 to 1 Yes – for every 1 I slapped on there, there were 2 for the bad guys show up. May be a duel to the finish. Come on Pharyngulites, lets show them what we got!

    I know we have a strong second shift coming up from our Aussie friends. Show me what Foster’s or KB Tooth’s fueled voting can do!!

  63. #63 currie jean
    November 30, 2008

    In the “incognito” window, in Google Chrome:

    Choose the wrench icon in the top right, choose options, choose the “Under the Hood” tab, and then under “cookie settings” choose “Block all cookies.”

    As far as I can tell, my votes are still being counted and all I have to do between votes is refresh the page.

  64. #64 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    Yeah, we’re doin it!
    Works canceled tomorrow, so I can do this all night!

  65. #65 Feynmaniac
    November 30, 2008

    In the “incognito” window, in Google Chrome:
    Choose the wrench icon in the top right, choose options, choose the “Under the Hood” tab, and then under “cookie settings” choose “Block all cookies.”
    As far as I can tell, my votes are still being counted and all I have to do between votes is refresh the page.

    Thank you for the tip. I think I’ve gotten dozens of votes in now.

  66. #66 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    *woo hoo*

    24%

  67. #67 jorge666
    November 30, 2008

    Got it up to 24% now.

    Crash on brothers and sisters!
    Yes
    76% 20,481
    No
    24% 6,332
    Note on Poll Results
    Total Votes: 26,813

  68. #68 Laurie Soule
    November 30, 2008

    Hmm. There wasn’t a ‘Hell no’ option. Damn.

  69. #69 Feynmaniac
    November 30, 2008

    I’m averaging about 12 votes a minute. If we can get 118 people to do this for 10 minutes each we will get what they have now. Come on, let’s do this people!

  70. #70 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    Damn, the other side is sure hitting this poll hard as well!!!

  71. #71 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    You know, I have noticed that sometimes after I vote, the number for “no” hasn’t changed. Are we sure that these repeat votes are getting counted?

  72. #72 currie jean
    November 30, 2008

    A shout out to any of you who may be digg users:

    http://digg.com/political_opinion/AOL_POLL_Under_god_in_the_Pledge_of_Allegiance

    digg it! :)

  73. #73 Feynmaniac
    November 30, 2008

    Damn, the other side is sure hitting this poll hard as well!!!

    Everyone is voting ‘no’ right? It would be embarrassing if all those ‘yes’ votes are coming people who were confused.

  74. #74 currie jean
    November 30, 2008

    Shamar – I was worried about that too, but then found that the “note on poll results” says the results aren’t in real time. It seems to sit still for a while, then jump up 10 or so votes at once. No worries!

  75. #75 RickrOll
    November 30, 2008

    now yes is down to 76%! must continue saying no!

  76. #76 currie jean
    November 30, 2008

    25%!

  77. #77 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    Damn, that 25% mark is evasive!

  78. #78 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    Nevermind…keep it up………..

  79. #79 ExitB
    November 30, 2008

    No
    No
    No
    No
    No

    Dang! I didn’t want to have to stay up an extra hour tonight. The Google Chrome works great for this!

  80. #80 Don
    November 30, 2008

    Gentlemen, ladies, we have achieved 25%.

    You may celebrate when you’ve doubled that.

    Get back to work, slackers.

  81. #81 Feynmaniac
    November 30, 2008

    Oh oh, looks like someone isn’t happy with the way the poll is going. Here’s some motivation to keep everyone voting.

    Gryphon10,

    Hey 24% feel free to get f*** out of America and find a country that welcomes you. France comes to mind. Of course France will fall in less than 25 years so if you live long enough you will have no country. And I certainly hope that the USA does not welcome you back.

    Note: Reading the comments to the article will make you very, very sad.

  82. #82 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    I’ve been voting non stop for two hours, and I’m not going to quit tonight till I see the results that I want! I’m in it for the long haul people (the only time that I’ve stoped is to post here!). LET’S GET EM!

    And, to #81, the comments don’t make me sad. The comments make me more determined……

  83. #83 currie jean
    November 30, 2008

    Feynmaniac – what makes that quote even more special is that I’m not even American in the first place (I just love you guys)! I guess I’m off the hook. ;)

  84. #84 ExitB
    November 30, 2008

    This is nuts. I’m only voting 100 more times. Then to bed.

  85. #85 John C. Randolph
    November 30, 2008

    Better yet, abolish the pledge. Making kids recite a loyalty oath has always been pretty damned creepy.

    -jcr

  86. #86 Zygote
    November 30, 2008

    I blocked cookies for that site (copy paste the URL in the exclude cookies privacy option). Then it’s just a case of refresh, vote, refresh, vote.

  87. #87 Mrs Bastardley
    November 30, 2008

    Well, it was 25% against last I looked…

  88. #88 Reynold
    November 30, 2008

    So, that’s the bastard who’s responsible for allowing xians to run around and say that atheists are unpatriotic or “not true citizens” (remember George Bush Sr.)?

    That bigoted statement is used by those circle jerks at every opportunity. See for example this cartoon by Answers in Genesis’ artist Dan Lietha (yes, a more appropriate name I’ve never seen)…

  89. #89 currie jean
    November 30, 2008

    Just hit 26%! :D

  90. #90 Beth Nott
    November 30, 2008

    Priceless sidebar item at the poll page:

    The driver of a pickup that struck a woman’s car on the South Side Friday morning is being evaluated by psychiatrists because he says God told him to drive in excess of 100 mph and ram the back of another car.

  91. #91 Zygote
    November 30, 2008

    It just broke 26%
    Yes – 21,900
    No – 7,523

    We’re making a difference…

  92. #92 ExitB
    November 30, 2008

    OK. There’s 50 votes and we’re at 26%.
    50 more …

  93. #93 phdel
    November 30, 2008

    I recommend the use of something like this:

    http://www.autohotkey.com/download/

  94. #94 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    Okay, #93….I’m working on it, can you tell me how to use this program?

    Please, any instruction would be extremely helpful. If I can get it working, I’ll let it run all night…..

  95. #95 ExitB
    November 30, 2008

    And to think I coulda’ got laid tonight. Gads! Mrs. Docherty’s starting to look good.
    30 more …

  96. #96 ExitB
    November 30, 2008

    … 99, 100.
    I’m spent.
    Good night all.
    Thanks, Mrs D.
    XXX

  97. #97 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    Okay, #93….I have that hotkey program running. I’m running like 8 at the same time, and they should run with constant repeat voting all night. I hope that more people on here will do the same…..

    Thanks….

  98. #98 phdel
    November 30, 2008

    #94:

    Use the AutoScriptWriter that will be in your start menu after installation. Much easier :)

  99. #99 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    I can’t figure out how to tell if the program is doing what it is supposed to do. How do I tell?

  100. #100 Connor
    November 30, 2008

    Ah, someone beat me to it. Mouse recording software is the way to go. Along with Chrome Incognito…

    I’m using http://www.axife.com/axmrec/

    The demo is fine for our purposes.

  101. #101 Rog
    November 30, 2008

    Voted – no up to 27%….seems the Pharyngulization of this one is taking a bit longer than usual – but there seems to be plenty of “yes” activity too….22,549 yes votes now !! Oh dear.

    Rog

  102. #102 bsk
    November 30, 2008

    My vote is in, but this is going to be difficult :)

  103. #103 Jason A.
    November 30, 2008

    Shamar #99
    You know it’s working when you see the mouse moving and clicking on screen like you told it to.

    Took me a bit to figure it out too. After you get it to work once, add:
    Loop
    {
    }
    so that it will loop indefinitely, with your program inside the brackets. Also, you might want to add a delay at the end before the loop restarts to make sure the window has time to catch up, if it restarts too quick the script will stop. Add delay with:
    Sleep 15000
    which is in milliseconds, so 15000 is 15 seconds, modify to your needs.
    And be sure the sleep command is INSIDE your loop brackets.

  104. #104 Jason A.
    November 30, 2008

    Whoops, there’s a comma in the sleep command:
    Sleep, 15000

  105. #105 negentropyeater
    November 30, 2008

    What I always found hilarious, is that the justification for adding “under God” in Docherty’s sermon resides essentially in this paragraph :

    What, therefore, is missing in the PoA that Americans have been saying on and off since 1892, and officialy since 1942 ? This fundamental concept that completely and ultimately separates communist Russia from the democratic institutions of this country. This was seen clearly by Lincoln : “One nation UNDER GOD”, this nation shall know a new birth of freedom, and “UNDER GOD” are the definitive words.

    So there you have it, if you’re not a nation under God’s protection, you end up being the same as communists. As simple as that.

    Now that communist USSR doesn’t exist anymore, you’ll find the reactions in most comments of the ignorant folks will be to justify it against “socialist Europe” (thinking of France, Germany and Scandinavia of course).

    In other words, God protects America from “socialism”, or you don’t need social welfare if you’ve got religion : that’s what’s been endoctrinating generations of Americans since then. That was the purpose, and it has been rather succesful.

  106. #106 Doug Alder
    November 30, 2008

    Yes
    73% 22,805
    No
    27% 8,349
    Total Votes: 31,154

  107. #107 shonny
    November 30, 2008

    George Docherty – another excellent argument FOR abortion.
    And the rest of the godfuckers seem rather busy.
    GET THE CRETINS, PHARYNGULITES!

  108. #108 BobC
    November 30, 2008

    It’s still 73% in favor of sticking the magic fairy into the Pledge of Allegiance. I bet most of Idiot America wants god in there. Wouldn’t it be nice if more people respected the Establishment Clause in the Bill of Rights. Our country is infested with churches. Why do the Christian retards want to stick their idiocy everywhere else?

  109. #109 shonny
    November 30, 2008

    Notice that it is the two crappiest,and most racist against the indigenous population countries in the ‘Western’ world that have the staunchest Pledge of Allegiance, Australia and USA.

    The rest, well, – live there and be a good citizen, and THAT is your pledge.

  110. #110 John M
    November 30, 2008

    Yes 72%
    No 28%

    The bots on both sides seem to be flat out, with the xtian bots perhaps rather faster. If our side can match them at just 1 for 2 it should take us close to 33% in the long run. If we can get our bots going at 1 for 1 we might even start to approach that magic 50%.

  111. #111 SOCR-4735
    November 30, 2008

    American Pledge of Allegiance always seemded weird to me…

    If I move to the US, will I have to take it?

    Also, would it be alright if I (or anyone else taking it) replaced “God” with “Eris”? (Or Odin or Zeus or Ahura Mazda or…)

  112. #112 Frederik Rosenkjær
    November 30, 2008

    I would love to know if there are actually any honest Christians voting on this poll – meaning Christians who believe in doG, but recognize America being a secular society in it’s very foundation…

  113. #113 Nick Gotts
    November 30, 2008

    There’s no option for “Stick your pledge of allegiance where the sun doesn’t shine!”.

  114. #114 Katkinkate
    November 30, 2008

    Shonny, what is Australia’s pledge of allegiance? I didn’t know we had an official one. I’ve never said it.

  115. #115 negentropyeater
    November 30, 2008

    Why do the Christian retards want to stick their idiocy everywhere else?

    Because of ignorance : cultural isolation, exceptionalism, and religious endoctrination since childhood all make sure that they are incapable of thinking critically about this.

    1.cultural isolation = how many American travel abroad, or have access to impartial information about foreign cultures, most of them have no clue about the fact that godless countries such as France, Japan or Sweden have higher life expectancy, lower crime rates, lower abortion rates, better health care, lower obesity rates, less poor and comparable median standard of living… They’re convinced that godless countries are a living hell. They’re “socialist”, can you imagine ?
    2.exceptionalism = permanent reinforcement of the notion that America is the greatest country on earth, it works hand in hand with the first point
    3.and now the rationalization for all of this, of course, is God’s protection, America’s relgiosity is the reason for its success and is indistinguishable from the American way of life.

  116. #116 Richard Harris
    November 30, 2008

    “…once a person admits to not believing in God, this raises the question of whether or not that person believes in America . . .”

    Errrrr, I’ve seen America, but I haven’t seen, (or heard, etc.), any feckin’ gods. But I’m not crazy.

  117. #117 Charlie Foxtrot
    November 30, 2008

    @Shonny:

    Actually, as you can see here the bit about ‘god’ is completely optional in our (the Australian) Pledge of Committment.

  118. #118 don
    November 30, 2008

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    The idiots are ahead, 73%-27%, as of 0426 CA time…

  119. #119 don
    November 30, 2008

    Couldn’t vote again. AOL is teh suxxor…arrg.

  120. #120 Cactus Wren
    November 30, 2008

    Well, after all, this is something most USAnian children recite every day. With great care and attention to the meaning of every word. I can remember from my own schooldays the daily rhythmical chant of “I pledjuh leedjuntz … tootha flag … of th’yew Nynud Staytz’va Mairca. Antootha republic … for wytchit stanzz … wunnayshon … unnergawd … innavisibul … with libberdy’n justitz frawl.” And what would it be without the unnergawd part?

  121. #121 negentropyeater
    November 30, 2008

    Charlie #117,

    but the Australian Pledge of Commitment is not used for the same purpose as the American Pledge of Allegiance. The equivallent would be the American Oath of Citizenship, where the God bit “so help me God” is also, like in the Australian case, optional.

  122. #122 TRiCky
    November 30, 2008

    @#109, #117

    Wait, what? We have a pledge now?

  123. #123 Nemo
    November 30, 2008

    American Pledge of Allegiance always seemded weird to me…

    If I move to the US, will I have to take it?

    Legally, you never have to say it.

    Realistically, you never to say it, unless you’re a young child in school. Then you might get hassled if you declined. I can’t think of many other occasions where it’s recited at all, although the national anthem is played everywhere, and some people might bother you if you don’t at least stand for it (but I think most will just assume that you’re lazy, and not care).

    Some politicians made a great show of reciting the pledge after Michael Newdow’s challenge to it, e.g. at the Capitol, but I don’t think it comes up normally.

  124. #124 shonny
    November 30, 2008
    Posted by: Charlie Foxtrot | November 30, 2008 7:21 AM
    @Shonny:
    Actually, as you can see here the bit about ‘god’ is completely optional in our (the Australian) Pledge of Committment.

    What pisses me off is not that god bit, but having to pledge anything. Also, detest that stupid test to see if you know enough about the Australian way of life (with remarkably little [as in 'nothing'] about the atrocities committed against the indigenous population, about the concept of Terra Nullus, about the in-grained racism, and about the general land rape that has gone on for 200+ years).
    And to think the pommy cow (aka ‘the queen’) is still ‘head of state’ in Australia, – yuk!
    Lastly, Australia has also the real asshole of this planet, – Perth, WA.

    Okay, feel a lot better now! /*deep breath again

  125. #125 BobbyEarle
    November 30, 2008

    As of 5:10a pacific time:

    73% yes
    27% no

    with just under 39k votes in.

    This one might be a fail for us. Now, if we can egnor sorry, ignore football a bit today we might be able to pull this out.

  126. #126 SteveM
    November 30, 2008
    If I move to the US, will I have to take it?

    Legally, you never have to say it.

    Realistically, you never to say it, unless you’re a young child in school. Then you might get hassled if you declined. I can’t think of many other occasions where it’s recited at all, …

    I think it might be required at the ceremony when you become a naturalized citizen.

  127. #127 Mike
    November 30, 2008

    In firefox:
    Tools: Options: Privacy Tab
    Exceptions
    Add aol.com (disable)
    Add webcenter.polls.aol.com (disable)
    Close

    Now you can vote and refresh without deleting anything. Much quicker. Oh, you must delete those cookies by hand one last time.

  128. #128 Emmet Caulfield
    November 30, 2008

    What is “AOL”?

    Many years ago, a wag quipped that AOL was “the greyhound bus on the information superhighway”.

  129. #129 BobC
    November 30, 2008

    I don’t think PZ has enough minions to correct this poll, but at least the Christian infested AOL website lets people leave comments. It’s a great opportunity to tell the Christian theocrats what they can do with their Jesus.

  130. #130 negentropyeater
    November 30, 2008

    I think it might be required at the ceremony when you become a naturalized citizen.

    Nope, that’s the Oath of Citizenship (text different and God bit is optional).

  131. #131 SecretMeetingRoom
    November 30, 2008

    I’m Australian, and have never heard of any sort of pledge.
    I’m also offended by the poster calling Australia ‘crappy’ and ‘racist’, misguided on both counts.

  132. #132 negentropyeater
    November 30, 2008

    Shonny,

    What pisses me off is not that god bit, but having to pledge anything.

    If you’re Australian you don’t have to pledge anything.

    SecretMeetingRoom,

    I’m Australian, and have never heard of any sort of pledge.

    The pledge of commitment is only used as an Oath of Citizenship for those who aren’t Australian and wish to become Australian citizen.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with the American pledge of Allegiance, which is a (nonsensical) loyalty pledge of Americans to their country.

  133. #133 Katkinkate
    November 30, 2008

    Posted by: shonny @ 109 “Notice that it is the two crappiest,and most racist against the indigenous population countries in the ‘Western’ world that have the staunchest Pledge of Allegiance, Australia and USA.”

    Australia’s Oath of Affirmation: I, (name), do solemnly and sincerely affirm and declare that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His/Her Majesty (monarch’s name), Her heirs and successors according to law.

    Oath of Allegiance: I, (name), do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Her heirs and successors according to law. SO HELP ME GOD!

    You can choose which version you want to go with. I’m not sure what you meant by ‘staunchest Pledge of Allegiance’. Ours don’t seem that bad.

  134. #134 Mike
    November 30, 2008

    If the christians insist on a loyalty pledge to their god, I think we should expand it to cover other deities and have “under allah” in january, “under krishna” in february, under “tuurngait” in march… You need to sponsor all the gods not just the christian god. Exclusionary bastards.

  135. #135 Charlie Foxtrot
    November 30, 2008

    Well, 36 years and the closest I’ve ever got to Pledging anything is:
    “This ere is the wattle, the symbol of our land, you can stick it inna bottle, or ya can ‘old it in yer ‘and! So help me, Bruce!”

  136. #136 Citizen Z
    November 30, 2008

    Now that communist USSR doesn’t exist anymore, you’ll find the reactions in most comments of the ignorant folks will be to justify it against “socialist Europe” (thinking of France, Germany and Scandinavia of course).

    The Pledge itself was originally written by a socialist and accompanied by a salute identical to the Nazi salute (though it predated the Nazi salute).

  137. #137 woody
    November 30, 2008

    As of this moment, we’ve got it up to 26% “no.”

    Some of the comments are amusing, too…

    The pledge was written by a minister, a Baptist/Christian Socialist named Bellamy.

  138. #138 Mike
    November 30, 2008

    aol just added another couple of cookies to my firefox list:
    eatps.web.aol.com
    news.aol.com

    Not sure if they both matter but I added them to my exclusion list so I could continue the crash.

  139. #139 Christophe Thill
    November 30, 2008

    I for one don’t get this “pledge of allegiance” thing. At all. It strikes me as absurd. I understand civil servants can be compelled to take this pledge. But ordinary people ? That’s just crazy. Feels like brainwashing.

  140. #140 Muzz
    November 30, 2008

    They finally figured out how to resist the Pharyngula poll bomb: post your poll in the weekend!

  141. #141 Jason A.
    November 30, 2008

    I know that must be some of you guys in the comments over there. Anyone wanna fess up? :P

  142. #142 Coragyps
    November 30, 2008

    The US pledge, at least, beats the living shit out of the Texas pledge. Yes, you read that correctly …. Recital of the Texas pledge was mandated by our legislature a few years for all public schools, and then “under God” was added to it a couple of years ago.

    “Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.”

    Won’t someone think of the children??

  143. #143 negentropyeater
    November 30, 2008

    Yes, Bellamy was a Christian Socialist.

    So it’s interesting to read the whole original sermon from Docherty, the one he gave in 1952 and which he delivered again in front of Eisenhower in 1954 and with which he convinced the President to add the “under God” to the PoA :
    http://www.post-gazette.com/downloads/20020820sermon.pdf

    “There was something missing in this pledge, and that which was missing was the characteristic and definitive factor in the American way of life. Indeed, apart from the phrase ‘the United States of America,’ this could be the pledge of any republic. In fact, I could hear little Muscovites repeat a similar pledge to their hammer-and-sickle flag with equal solemnity.”

    “What, therefore, is missing in the PoA that Americans have been saying on and off since 1892, and officialy since 1942 ? This fundamental concept that completely and ultimately separates communist Russia from the democratic institutions of this country. This was seen clearly by Lincoln : “One nation UNDER GOD”, this nation shall know a new birth of freedom, and “UNDER GOD” are the definitive words.”

    “If we were to add the words ‘under the church,’ that would be dangerous. … It must be ‘under God’ to include the great Jewish community and the people of the Moslem faith and the myriad of denominations of Christians in the land. … What then of the honest atheist? … He cannot deny the Christian revelation and logically live by the Christian ethic, and if he denies the Christian ethic, he falls short of the American ideal of life.”

    Conclusion : original pledge (Bellamy) = generic socialist pledge
    add “Under God” = American democratic pledge !

    I mean this is just an obvious frame to brainwash the masses into thinking that as long as they have religion (God’s protection) they don’t need social welfare programs.
    And as long as they reject social welfare programs, it keeps religion well rooted. Perfect !

  144. #144 XymbionicX
    November 30, 2008

    Up against it im afraid – teh godbots r onto us !
    Went back and the number of votes had shot up by 100 in just a few seconds lol !
    Only 25% yes – great fun tho, cos im in the UK ha ha ha

  145. #145 Old Goat
    November 30, 2008

    Bah, no need to be concerned. For many of them, it’ll be like this…

    PASTOR: Why weren’t you at church today?

    SHEEP: I was crashing a poll to keep “Under God” in the pledge of allegiance.

    PASTOR: If we lost that poll, would they ACTUALLY take it out? Seriously?

    SHEEP: Umm… no…

    PASTOR: Oh, so it was a pride issue, eh?

    SHEEP: No… but the atheists…

    PASTOR: Now come on… we have to have a talk about putting your own personal victories above the Almighty’s… inside with you…

    SHEEP: Baaaaaa…

  146. #146 Jackson
    November 30, 2008

    there is little reason to think any online poll is accurate, regardless of whether we agree with the topic.
    http://www.captcha.net/

    Online Polls. In November 1999, http://www.slashdot.org released an online poll asking which was the best graduate school in computer science (a dangerous question to ask over the web!). As is the case with most online polls, IP addresses of voters were recorded in order to prevent single users from voting more than once. However, students at Carnegie Mellon found a way to stuff the ballots using programs that voted for CMU thousands of times. CMU’s score started growing rapidly. The next day, students at MIT wrote their own program and the poll became a contest between voting “bots.” MIT finished with 21,156 votes, Carnegie Mellon with 21,032 and every other school with less than 1,000. Can the result of any online poll be trusted? Not unless the poll ensures that only humans can vote.

  147. #147 Jackson
    November 30, 2008

    11:18AM EST Sunday – 54,910 votes 75%/25%.
    Have there been other cases where Pharyngula didn’t swing the on-line poll? This is the first example I’m aware of.

    Jackson.

  148. #148 Jason A.
    November 30, 2008

    What worries me is that I just noticed it’s light outside!
    I’ve been chatting with the godbots far too long. Exercise in futility.

  149. #149 Jason A.
    November 30, 2008

    Jackson, I suspect that it’s just been a script battle for quite some time now. We may not have swung it, but it might be the most extreme example of ruining the validity of a poll I’ve ever seen. What little it had, anyway.

  150. #150 quasarpulse
    November 30, 2008

    I’m not sure…the contest among voting ‘bots’ seems to me a fairly decent way to determine a top school in computer science, provided the students at the schools are notified :)

    But yes, online polls are complete crap for opinion-reading. Doesn’t mean it’s not fun to stuff them.

  151. #151 ggab
    November 30, 2008

    I don’t know if this has been mentioned yet.
    The minister originally wanted to include the word equality in the pledge, but couldn’t get it past the board for approval.
    Didn’t want the women and blacks to get all uppity.
    God forbid they consider themselves equal to the white male.

  152. #152 Godless Woman
    November 30, 2008

    I was bored so I voted 5 times.

    Yes: 75% (41,728)
    No: 25% (14,094)

  153. #153 KI
    November 30, 2008

    When faced with a situation where compliance is the easy out, I use Matt Groening’s version from his old comic strip “Life In Hell”:

    I plead alignment
    To the flakes
    Of the untitled snakes of a merry cow
    And to the republicans
    For which they scam
    One nacho, underpants
    With licorice and jugs of wine for owls

    It can be hard to keep a straight face while reciting this.

  154. #154 Jason
    November 30, 2008

    It sucks that a person died, however, good riddance.

  155. #155 MH
    November 30, 2008

    As it has been mentioned, here’s more info on the Bellamy salute.

    Flag worshiping nationalists always disturb me. We should be moving away from tribalism, IMHO.

  156. #156 Rev. BigDumbChimp, KoT, OM
    November 30, 2008

    there is little reason to think any online poll is accurate, regardless of whether we agree with the topic.

    the very point of PZ posting these

  157. #157 Angel Kaida
    November 30, 2008

    27% and counting. The voter numbers seem to be going up really, really fast.

  158. #158 Nerd of Redhead
    November 30, 2008

    Jackson, there have been a couple of polls we couldn’t swing. There was a MSN poll before the election on whether Palin was fit to be President. That poll suffered some major bot voting after we started, and became totally meaningless. There were one or two others where there were 50,000+ votes already. We dented the margin, but didn’t change the lead.

  159. #159 Tony
    November 30, 2008

    Anyone have the direct URl so I can just curl -d it? I’m tired of looking at him — refresh, vote, refresh, vote…

  160. #160 Steven Dunlap
    November 30, 2008

    We’re holding at 27%

    Yes 43,399
    No, 16,226

  161. #161 TrineDK
    November 30, 2008

    Mmmmmm It even lets a European like me vote. Nice. My first experience with pharyngulation… 27% no, 73% yes. almost 60.000 votes cast.

  162. #162 Jason S
    November 30, 2008

    Up to 28% but it looks like it’ll be hard to move any more.

  163. #163 mothra
    November 30, 2008

    I believe by dogged determination this poll may still be successfully crashed. We have improved to 28/ 72% at my latest voting. That there are Baptobots (or other loony religious groups) watching PZ’s poll crashing activities says something about theistic paranoia does it not?

  164. #164 foo
    November 30, 2008

    Yes 72% 43,536
    No 28% 17,224
    Total Votes: 60,760

    Yes 72% 43,537
    No 28% 17,252
    Total Votes: 60,789

    Yes 72% 43,539
    No 28% 17,282
    Total Votes: 60,821

  165. #165 Hauntedchippy
    November 30, 2008

    She’s too powerful we can’t break it!

  166. #166 mr.ed
    November 30, 2008

    I’m 67, and passed out of elementary school and the pledge before the change. I’ll bet I haven’t been prompted to say it a dozen times since. I still find it strange to hear the “new” version regardless whether I agree with it or not. Which I don’t.

  167. #167 John M
    November 30, 2008

    The votes for “No” are now coming in much faster than the xtians. Perhaps 10 times faster, or more. The percentages are currently 71% to 29%

  168. #168 Matt Heath
    November 30, 2008

    MIT finished with 21,156 votes, Carnegie Mellon with 21,032 and every other school with less than 1,000. Can the result of any online poll be trusted? Not unless the poll ensures that only humans can vote.

    Well, who can write the most effective bot is a way of measuring the best CS grad programme.

  169. #169 «bønez_brigade»
    November 30, 2008

    Voted.

    Current poll numbers:
    Yes 71% 43,591
    No 29% 18,027
    Total Votes: 61,618

  170. #170 Cath the Canberra Cook
    November 30, 2008

    An Australian pledge? What? Oh. Part of a citizenship ceremony. The most offensive thing about that is the queen. It’s well past time for a republic.

    Secretmeetingroom, sure, I wouldn’t think Australia is one of the *most* racist countries. But we’re a long way from being entirely innocent either. Modern Australia may have apologised to the Aborigines, (well overdue, thanks Kev) but their situation is still pretty dire. And remember the Cronulla & Maroubra riots? And the Libs playing up the racism in the whole sorry children overboard, Tampa, SIEV-X incidents. That’s hardly ancient history.

  171. #171 Neurosaur
    November 30, 2008

    I blocked ‘em too.

    Time to CHOMP!

  172. #172 woody
    November 30, 2008

    Posted by: mr.ed | November 30, 2008 4:01 PM

    I’m 67, and passed out of elementary school and the pledge before the change. I’ll bet I haven’t been prompted to say it a dozen times since. I still find it strange to hear the “new” version regardless whether I agree with it or not. Which I don’t.

    When I was teaching high school, recitation of the pledge was required in every home-room every morning (No, I never noticed any propagandizing students in school. Why do you ask?). So, as I was required to recite it, I had my students say the “Original,” Bellamy version. I also ran a contest, awarding ‘extra points’ to the student who discovered the least well-known fact about the controversial document.

  173. #173 JohnnieCanuck
    November 30, 2008

    70/30 @ 62,006

    Keep pushing.

  174. #174 John M
    November 30, 2008

    Now I understand why PZ hasn’t spoken for a while, and why comments are thinner on the ground than rocking-horse droppings – y’all fixing that POLL.

    In less than 1hour:
    Yes 61 votes
    No 710 votes

  175. #175 strangest brew
    November 30, 2008

    ‘ That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
    Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
    And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
    We would not die in that man’s company
    That fears his fellowship to die with us.

    We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
    For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
    Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
    This day shall gentle his condition;
    And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
    Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
    And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
    That fought with us upon Dec 1st!!!!

    Courage mon braves..Billy boy knew a few things about that!

  176. #176 GuyIncognito
    November 30, 2008

    No “get rid of the goddamn thing altogether” option?

  177. #177 Zach
    November 30, 2008

    YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTER FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CHANGED IT BY A %!!!!!!!!!!! 11 YEAR OLDS HAVE POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!

  178. #178 Daniel-138
    November 30, 2008

    Sorry, but it looks like we can’t win this one. :sadface:

  179. #179 John M
    November 30, 2008

    69%/31%. It is looking better and better. At the current rate of polling, we might draw level. It seems the xtian bots have stood down for now, but if they fire up again we’ve no chance.

  180. #180 ExitB
    November 30, 2008

    OK. I’m back for awhile. Lookin’ good!
    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    NO
    ….

  181. #181 FrankieAvocado
    November 30, 2008

    We’re up to 39% just under 20k votes. Keep up the dedication to pointless polls :-p

  182. #182 Facehammer
    November 30, 2008

    I’ve got 3 solid hours of lectures tomorrow. I might set up a mouse and keyboard macro to auto-vote the shit out of it during that time.

  183. #183 Sven DiMilo
    November 30, 2008

    *pokes head in, looks around*

    Carry on.

  184. #184 Lee Picton
    November 30, 2008

    My fingers are tired. It needs about 700 more votes to trip over again from 32% to 33%.

  185. #185 kryth
    November 30, 2008

    Death.

    It couldn’t have happened to a more id10t guy.

  186. #186 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    Keep it up, my computer will be auto-voting all night….we will not be beat!!!

    lol

  187. #187 the great and powerful oz
    November 30, 2008

    Over 60k votes…
    I guess the poll has been hammered enough to nicely show its bogosity no matter who wins.

  188. #188 Shamar
    November 30, 2008

    No….WE WILL WIN!!!!!

    Anything else is unacceptable!

  189. #189 RickrOll
    November 30, 2008

    33%. Wow. Pretty soon they won’t be able to veto our veto lol! Keep it up, comrades!

  190. #190 chromer
    December 1, 2008

    Google Chrome Incognito mode rules.

  191. #191 Shamar
    December 1, 2008

    Yup, I’m bout to crash, but my comp will be votin all night :-)

  192. #192 Trevor
    December 1, 2008

    Keep voting damn it! 34% isn’t good enough!

  193. #193 RickrOll
    December 1, 2008

    well, Noodly speed to all of you. i need to be productive today, and with that, i sleep.

  194. #194 John M
    December 1, 2008

    Nor is 35% good enough, which is where it’s at now. But the real clincher is that no-one will be able to claim what America thinks on the basis this poll. It is definitively and unarguably ‘Pharyngulated’.

  195. #195 Mathi Lusch
    December 1, 2008

    Vote all you want, this pastor was not responsible for added “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance. That goes to the Knights of Columbus.

  196. #196 bezoar
    December 1, 2008

    Now the “no’s” are 36%. By the way, whose god exactly was he wanting us to deify during the pledge??

  197. #197 Another George
    December 1, 2008

    The Christian Post (www.christianpost.com) has a news article about George Docherty. Note that while one must join the site to leave a comment, no registration is required for voting on comments, and comments seem to attract a handful of votes at most.

  198. #198 Dubaarh
    December 1, 2008

    @197 Another George: It would appear that some of those “comment votes” on the CP site (that sounds soooo wrong, what were they thinking of???… can almost hear the 5am knock at the door just for browsing it) have already become slightly Pharyngulated.

  199. #199 David in NY
    December 1, 2008

    We’re up to 39%…

    Hmm, 37% now, are we just holding even?

  200. #200 Dubaarh
    December 1, 2008

    Have noticed something with how AOL are tallying the votes… It seems they don’t count re-votes from same source that occur within a certain timeframe.

    To test this I’ve gone to an old poll (in politics section from 16 days ago), voted to get the tally popup to show and done the following:

    Revoted => No change in tally.
    Left it 5mins.
    Refreshed tally => No change. Revote had not been not added.
    Voted again => Tally up by one. New vote counted
    Revoted once more => No change.
    Left it 5mins.
    Refreshed tally => No change. Again the revote was not added
    Voted once again => Tally up by one. New vote counted.
    Voted 4 times quickly => No change. 4 extra votes not shown
    Left it 5mins.
    Refreshed tally => No change. The 4 votes still not shown.
    Voted once => Tally up by one. New vote counted
    Left it 5mins.
    Refreshed tally => No change.
    Left it 5mins.
    Refreshed tally => No change. The yet uncounted “missing votes” never turn up.

    Then did some trial and error testing and found that if votes are separated by at least 30-40seconds then they are added to the tally but if the time diff between them is less than this they are discarded.

    Upshot is that we may have been too smart for our own good with our well practiced “no cookies, vote, F5 then vote again routines”. Whereas the low tech god-botting hordes who take a minute or so to clear their cache manually are getting their revotes through. May explain why we got hammered. Either that or it was “Jebuz wot did it!”

  201. #201 Riman Butterbur
    December 1, 2008

    Safari doesn’t finish loading the page until some seconds after I’ve voted. I wait until the progress bar clears, reset, go back and vote again. Seems to be working. Yes votes have stayed the same for several minutes, No’s are going up.

  202. #202 CortxVortx
    December 1, 2008

    Re: #30 “What is ‘AOL’?”

    “Army Of Losers”

    Re: #14 “They’ve got a massive crowd of god-soaked idiots making up their users.”

    I hear that. I was kicked off AOL because (I strongly suspect) one of their employees, or someone with a connection to an employee, kept reporting me for “harrassment” until my account was cancelled. Trying to reason with Customer Disservice was useless. The kicker is, I had determined to drop AOL within months because I had broadband access through a local cable company, and no longer needed AOL to access the internet. I was only keeping it for an established email address and to engage in chatroom skirmishes — but those were less and less fun. So the godbot saved me the trouble of trying to cancel AOL.

    Re: #36 “I feel he deserves some sort of lifetime irony award for splitting up the phrase ‘one nation indivisible’.”

    I have made that same observation; glad others see it, too. (#27’s point is similar).

  203. #203 John M
    December 2, 2008

    #200 – your observation that it is possible to vote long after the poll has ceased to attract fresh interest may be the key to eventual success. The xtian voting seems to have dried up completely, but the “No” voters are still adding votes. By my estimates we should overtake them about 48 – 72 hrs from now, depending on how many of our bots can keep running that long.

  204. #204 RickrOll
    December 2, 2008

    yes! Cyberterrorism is the best! 38%! His Noodles shall be with us as we prevail against the heathen Xains!

  205. #205 Fedor
    December 2, 2008

    I dunno about you all, but I am still voting. Once every while I put in a few votes with Chrome. :-)

    DON’T GIVE UP! We can do this if we all pull together!

  206. #206 snipper
    December 2, 2008

    You don’t need Chrome to vote. Use Opera (www.opera.com), press F12 and disable cookies easily and on the fly from there.

  207. #207 John M
    December 3, 2008

    It’s more or less 28k vs. 44k so it seems some of us are still voting. Percentage wise we have close to 40%.

  208. #208 Fedor
    December 4, 2008

    Y’all given up? I am still voting!

    Isn’t there someone who create some kind of voting bot?

  209. #209 Fedor
    December 4, 2008

    Y’all given up? I am still voting!

    Isn’t there someone who can create some kind of voting bot?

  210. #210 Riman Butterbur
    December 4, 2008

    I was just there. The website was acting weird.

    A popup window came up, asking me to take part in a survey. I couldn’t make sense out of their “privacy policy”, which seems to be combined with an agreement of some kind, with provisions for “binding arbitration” in case of any dispute, and specifically mentioned “your breach of this agreement”. Huh? What kind of “breach” could you commit taking a survey? It also seemed to be saying that some kind of software would be installed on your computer. I didn’t want anything to do with this, so I closed the popup.

    Then my browser said the site was still downloading data. 1 item, 2 items, 3 items… a lot more than I had ever noticed before. I couldn’t figure out what was going on, so I quit the browser.

    Anybody else noticed anything strange?

  211. #211 Dubaarh
    December 4, 2008

    Seems like there are at least two or three of us still chipping away at this one.

    Currently:
    Yes 43,982 (60%)
    No 29,431 (40%)
    Total 73,413

    Over the last 24hrs the gap has narrowed from approx 15,500 to around the 14,500 it is now. Roughly 1000 votes in 24hrs… 40 votes an hour.

    At this rate two weeks to close the gap!!!!!… And that’s assuming the god-botting hordes don’t awaken from their slumber.

    If any of you are running bots/macros/scripts then you will be wasting your time if the revotes are within 45seconds of each other. AOL just discards them (see post #200). So tweak that delay to 45secs or 1min and the gap should narrow considerably ;-)

    Happy Skewing

  212. #212 Mathi Lusch
    December 4, 2008

    AOL is aware the poll was skewed. But since polls are never accurate, oh well!

  213. #213 Emmet Caulfield
    December 4, 2008

    Upshot is that we may have been too smart for our own good with our well practiced “no cookies, vote, F5 then vote again routines”.

    The only way to do this, em, “properly” is to script using wget, curl, or a HTTP library, each time using a different valid User-Agent string (since their own default ones are often banned) from a long list, go via an anonymous proxy network, so that multiple votes don’t appear from one IP address, and draw the time between requests from an exponential distribution, so that there is no unusual temporal pattern in the requests. That would be a virtually undetectable and indefeasible way of smashing any poll single-handed.

  214. #214 John M
    January 4, 2009

    For a few days before Xmas the poll went to 50-50, with the “Noes” just ahead by a handful of votes. The god-bots came back in and reversed that, just before AOL apparently pulled the poll from its pages.

  215. #215 hery
    January 25, 2010

    I understand civil servants can be compelled to take this pledge

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