September 2012 Open Thread

Time for more thread.


  1. #1 MikeH
    October 1, 2012

    It is not like this is the first time that Jones has been offensive towards women. But there does appear to be a qualitatively different reaction this time. Journos are queuing up to have a slice of him.

    This from Peter FitzSimons does not pull any punches.

    “Every time you think the 2GB broadcaster Alan Jones has gone as low as he can go, he sets a new benchmark ever deeper in his now obviously bottomless barrel.”

    “The unspeakably vicious nastiness of it, the sheer bully-boy misogyny of saying such a thing, simply takes the breath away, even for those of us who spent fair chunks of time around the unvarnished Jones.”

    “It is not women who are destroying the joint. It is the volcanic bile that continues to pour from Jones.”

  2. #2 bill
    October 1, 2012

    But perhaps not when you think about it…

    If you think you despise the man and what he stands for try reading the ‘supporter’ comments. You’re in good company!

  3. #3 Wow
    October 1, 2012

    “I see that Wow is lying again.”

    If you were telling the truth, inane, you would be able to provide the location of these lies.

  4. #4 bill
    October 1, 2012

    Guys, must you?

  5. #5 Wow
    October 1, 2012

    I keep telling you bill.

    He started it!

  6. #6 Wow
    October 1, 2012

    I’m quite happy to ignore the idiot.

    He doesn’t seem to feel complete unless he manages one post slagging me off.

  7. #7 MikeH
    October 1, 2012

    Wow and ianam. If you are bored as a result of Tim’s sick leave, can I suggest in the interim, doing some commenting at The Conversation. 450,000 readers each month, 3,600 registered academics and researchers from 240 institutions (who write the articles but tend not to respond to the cranks).

    Regular articles on climate science and energy policy that are hit by a cabal of deniers from Oz and overseas.

    Here are a couple of articles from John Cook here (717 comments) or this one from today (55 comments) .

    Or this one from Andrew Glikson, Earth and paleo-climate scientist at Australian National University (133 comments).

  8. #8 Wow
    October 1, 2012

    I can only speak for myself, but it’s not boredom that makes me respond to inane’s inane slagging me off.

  9. #9 FrankD
    October 1, 2012

    Wow, you say you’re “quite happy to ignore the idiot”. Perhaps you can convince us of that by “walking the walk”, as it were?


    What I found intriguing about Jones’ “apology” was its lack of any discernible apologetic content. He stated that his “repetition” of the comment was wrong and merited an apology…and…*crickets*….

    Then he said that his dad had said that if you were going to eat crow you should do it while its hot…and…*crickets*.

    Did he actually say “I’m sorry for making those remarks” or “I apologise” or any direct, active-voice statement that actually conveyed an apology? ‘Cos I only heard passive-voice weasel-out that an apology was owed.

    Acknowledging a debt isn’t the same as paying it. Or maybe it is in Jones bubble of self-important entitlement…

  10. #10 Wow
    October 1, 2012

    “Perhaps you can convince us of that by “walking the walk”, as it were?”


    Why should I?

    I don’t START this fight, but I won’t sit by and take it. Why should I?

    If this was the method by which people acted, the deniers would win since there’d be no response to their idiocy as we’d all “walk the walk” as it were and ignore these posters as responding to them has no effect on them.

  11. #11 Marco
    October 1, 2012

    Wow, you first claim you are “quite happy to ignore the idiot”, and then tell us now that you actually do not want to. You contradict yourself.

  12. #12 Wow
    October 1, 2012

    I am happy to ignore the idiot.

    Just like you, I suspect, are quite happy to ignore Monckton et al.

    When Monckton or the denier horde don’t make stupid or slanderous statements, they are ignored.


    It’s only when they say something like “Hey, barnturd, blah blah blah you are an idiot” they are rebutted forcefully.

    If they didn’t come along and do it, you would happily leave them to their own devices.

    You wouldn’t chase them down on other blogs to slag them off and you don’t START the slagging off do you?

    Because you’re happy to ignore them until they start it.

    Just like I am with inane.

  13. #13 Wow
    October 1, 2012

    Try thinking it through.

  14. #14 ianam
    October 1, 2012

    I don’t START this fight

    Repeating this lie ad nauseam won’t make it true … and no one else cares. As I said way back then, two people were being asses but only one was denying it.

    MikeH: “… bored …” You presume a lot. See my 5:11 am comment on the previous page.

  15. #15 ianam
    October 1, 2012

    If you were telling the truth, inane, you would be able to provide the location of these lies.

    But the converse doesn’t hold, of course … I can point it out and you can simply deny that the lie is a lie. And so it goes. Again, lying is part of your nature … I simply point this out as an aside when you attack me. Deny it all you want … no one else cares about either my aside or your denial.

  16. #16 Lotharsson
    October 2, 2012

    Now at Shaping Tomorrow’s World, A. Scott responds to critique of his various claims, not so much by actually refuting them, but by repeatedly violating comment policy and earning himself a ban.

  17. #17 bill
    October 2, 2012

    Who’d have thought you could get so much fun out of JM’s reference to ‘the Dog Astrology Journal’? 😉

    People like A Scott really simply cannot distinguish knowledge from opinion. To such minds their insta-pundit ignorance is the equal of your hard-won science any day. It’s only democratic! Consequently, it’s ‘elitism’ to point out stupidity and error.

    Combine this faux-populism with the self-awareness, humility and decorum of an Alan Jones and you have – The Denier!

  18. #18 Bernard J.
    October 2, 2012

    I’m kinda curious about what A.Scott said to get a red card.

    As the promoter of the ‘Alternative Survey’ I was hoping that he’d have a longer lifespan than eventuated.

  19. #19 Bernard J.
    October 2, 2012

    That’s A.Scott promoting the ‘Alternative Survey’, not me…

    With the extreme level of stupidity displayed by our resident troll infection it’s necessary to clarify.

  20. #20 Wow
    October 2, 2012

    “”If you were telling the truth, inane, you would be able to provide the location of these lies.”

    But the converse doesn’t hold, of course”

    A second opportunity to point out your evidence not taken. Just another dodge.

    Just like Karen, Mack, Olap et al.

  21. #21 ianam
    October 2, 2012

    As the promoter of the ‘Alternative Survey’ I was hoping that he’d have a longer lifespan than eventuated.

    Yes, A.Scott, jackass though he (gender presumed) is, was a much more challenging troll and far more interesting to refute than the morons like Karen and Mack here … or that pathetic pipsqueak on “our side” above who uses similar rhetorical tactics. I … er, I mean “mk” … was having so much fun with him that it really is too bad to see him go.

  22. #22 ianam
    October 2, 2012

    Of course, part of the challenge at shapingtomorrowsworld is to debate the cretins while coloring within the lines of moderation. So far I’ve avoided the red pen, although that is certainly because the moderator has overlooked some things. I doubt that Wow, with all his bleating, could manage it.

  23. #23 Wow
    October 2, 2012

    “or that pathetic pipsqueak on “our side””

    See, inane, you’re projecting again.

    You’re also thinking that because you’re supporting the science that anyone disagreeing with you on other matters MUST BE WRONG on it.


    ‘cos you’re a stupid cunt.

  24. #24 Wow
    October 2, 2012

    bill, what, precisely would be the point in letting inane go batshit insane because he’s got a stick rectally inserted about me?

    He doesn’t stop just because I do.


    ‘cos he’s a nutcase.

  25. #25 ianam
    October 2, 2012

    Nothing critical I say about Wow can match his own self-inflicted wounds.

  26. #26 Wow
    October 2, 2012

    You’ve said nothing, inane.

  27. #27 ianam
    October 2, 2012

    Do go on.

  28. #28 Lionel A
    October 2, 2012

    Time for a Wow and ianam thread perhaps?

  29. #29 Wow
    October 2, 2012

    Perhaps. though I doubt he’ll do any better than Chelle or Rick over at startswithabang.

  30. #30 ianam
    October 2, 2012

    I doubt he’ll do any better than Chelle or Rick over at startswithabang.

    Even that is a lie. He just can’t help himself. But do go on.

  31. #31 ianam
    October 2, 2012

    Googling for startswithabang + chelle leads me to this … at least Wow is consistent.

    August 28, 11:44 am

    “I see you still haven’t managed to read the title of the thread.”
    @ Wow
    That also goes at you too Wow.
    Why don’t you explain where Chelle is wrong if you think you know the answer, rather than keep posting weired jabbing posts. Are you some sort of troll?

  32. #32 ianam
    October 2, 2012

    And Wow responded

    So you think she’s right, sideways?
    About what?

    Of course sideways said nothing of the sort. Typical Wow logic.

  33. #33 ianam
    October 2, 2012

    Here’s my response to all future posts by Wow about me: “You’re being intellectually dishonest.” Insert as necessary; I won’t bother.

  34. #34 Wow
    October 2, 2012

    “Even that is a lie.”

    Followed by three posts proving my point…

  35. #35 Wow
    October 2, 2012

    And inane thinks chelle has a point when she says that there is an aether because Einstein says there was on in his 1920 talk?

    Or is he merely picking up any old crap like Mack et al do to “support” their anti-AGW crusade, the only difference being that inane has a raging hard-on for slagging off someone who is his intellectual and moral superior.

  36. #36 ianam
    October 2, 2012

    More response to Wow in that thread:

    Michael Kelsey
    SLAC National Accelerator Center
    August 28, 2:58 pm

    @Wow: Chelle asked some quite sensible questions, as she(?) is trying to understand published statements which have assumptions and knowledge hidden behind them (exactly the point Ethan made in this article!). It is obvious that the two of you have past history in these blogs of which I’m not aware, but at least in this case, the questions and comments are reasonable and deserve a thoughtful response.

    Wow’s rejoinder: “Geez, Mick. You’re another sock, aren’t you.” (He did later apologize for his stupidity). and

    “Well, Michael, you can help yourself to the death of intelligence by a thousand half-assed queries from that insane bitch, you’re welcome to it.”

    Cunts, twats, and bitches … Wow is quite the ladie’s man.

    Ah, well, enough fun with Wow.

  37. #37 Wow
    October 2, 2012

    You really are no different from the denier team, are you, inane.

  38. #38 Wow
    October 2, 2012

    I bet you’re willing to embrace AGW denial, faithiesm and woomancering if it will allow you to slag me off, because it’s all you have in your life, right?


  39. #39 Wow
    October 2, 2012

    I must admit that inane’s scurrying around is rather reminiscent of the deniers after the CRU hack, poring over everything looking for a “proof” of a “final nail” and proclaming “victory” at each turn.

  40. #40 Vince Whirlwind
    October 8, 2012

    Alan Jones is a sad bunny:

    In this case the effective response to Mr Jones was not regulation … but rather the use by thousands of people of the enhanced freedom afforded them by the social media

    Mr Turnbull said new media has allowed ”thousands of Australians” to speak ”for themselves, unedited, unmediated”, and the consequences have been ”without precedent”.
    ”The management of 2GB have announced his show will be run henceforth without any advertisements at all. For the first time Alan will have something in common with the ABC,” Mr Turnbull said last night in his Alfred Deakin lecture entitled Liberty in the Digital Age.
    ”Mr Jones has sought to lead ‘people’s revolts’ for many years. But this was indeed a popular revolt against vicious and destructive public discourse … It is difficult not to believe that he is getting a dose of his own medicine …–turnbull-20121008-279cm.html#ixzz28krlLBiN

    “Mike Carlton wrote a good one over the weekend, too:
    Something to know about Alan Jones – the key thing, really – is that he’s not all that bright. Far from it. Despite the artfully constructed public persona, there is no powerhouse intellect there, no vast store of wisdom. He is a crackpot muddle of prejudice and ignorance.
    The claim on the 2GB website that Jones is an Oxford graduate is a typical piece of deceit. He did a short teaching diploma there, not PPE at Balliol. The intellectual snobbery is a hoot.”

  41. #41 Wow
    October 9, 2012

    Remember, you only have to be a little more intelligent than someone else to seem a lot more intelligent.

    Rathr damning of Alan Jones’ audience…

  42. #42 Lionel A
    October 9, 2012

    The claim on the 2GB website that Jones is an Oxford graduate is a typical piece of deceit. He did a short teaching diploma there, not PPE at Balliol.

    This theme seems to crop up again and again within the climate change debates whether it is puffery from those who have had basic level science education or qualifications in some field not remotely connected with any of the aspects to do with climate science or the ecological impacts from warming.

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