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Over the last decade that I’ve been at this blogging thing, I’ve come across some incredibly irresponsible quackery, but what I saw about a week and a half ago took the cake. I’m referring to practitioners of The One Quackery To Rule Them All, homeopathy, demonstrating a sense delusion that was as massive as the concentration of a 30C homeopathic dilution is small when they proposed that homeopathy could be used ot treat Ebola virus disease. There are not enough facepalms face palmy enough to express the disgust at the utter ridiculousness and irresponsibility of even suggesting that magic water can do anything about one of the most deadly infectious diseases out there. It’s of a piece of homeopaths’ insistence that homeopathy could be used to stop the H1N1 influenza pandemic back in 2009 or that victims of the 1918 influenza pandemic did better than those treated with conventional medicine, only even more delusional, given how much higher the case fatality rate is for Ebola.

I thought I’d revisit this, not because homeopathy is any less nonsensical as a treatment for anything, least of all Ebola virus disease, but rather because of a rather amusing incident that occurred today. On Sunday night, you, my readers, started sending me this link over at Mike Adams’ font of all things quackery, NaturalNews.com, entitled Treating Ebola with Homeopathy. I was thinking of blogging about it, but decided not to because I thought at the time: I’ve already written about this topic once, and I don’t see anything in the post to resurrect the topic. I thought that maybe I’d do it for yesterday—or maybe not, depending on what popped up. The post kept popping up on Twitter as an example of extreme foolishness. Then, last night I saw someone Tweet at me that Mike Adams had taken the post down. Given his proud embrace of all quackery, at first I couldn’t believe it. So I checked it out, and, yes, this is what I found:

Natural News was made aware of a blog post that seemed to recommend a highly questionable method related to Ebola prevention. The blog post has been removed pending further investigation, and the blogger is under review. Natural News does not condone any member of the public attempting to interact with Ebola, a very hazardous biological threat.

RELATED NEWS: Ebola vaccine to be manufactured by criminal drug company with felony record http://www.naturalnews.com/046414_Ebola_vaccine_safety_testing_drug_company_profits.html

Whoa. I couldn’t believe it. Here, it appears, was a post so irresponsible that it was too irresponsible even for Mike Adams, a post that was too quacky for the quackmaster himself! That’s some weapons-grade quackery, a black hole of stupidity, and any other mixing of metaphors for ridiculousness I could think of. Oddly enough, the post wasn’t written by Mike Adams himself, as most of the posts that are the most disconnected with anything resembling reality are at that website. Rather, it was written by a Norwegian blogger named Ken Oftedal, who describes himself thusly:

Kjetill Oftedal, a Norwegian by birth, physicist, systems analyst and homeopath by education, multilingual at an early age–a result of being raised in the U.S., Norway and the Dutch West Indies–has lived and worked in various professions in a number of European countries and the U.S. Kjetill Oftedal has worked as a sailor, salesman, night guard, electrical engineer, North Sea offshore engineer and in the Sahara; tutor, high-school, adult education and university teacher; director of personal enhancement training institutions in Spain and Portugal; systems analyst, computer programmer; classical homeopath, multilingual translator, webmaster, managing director of a school and clinic of classical homeopathy he established in Spain.

There’s more there, so much more, but let’s move on to what Oftedal actually claimed. The original post is gone, and the Google cache didn’t locate it. The Yahoo! cache, however, happened still to have a copy of the original post. (I guess the Google cache updates more often than the Yahoo! cache.)

Because I don’t want anyone to forget the sort of quackery that homeopaths are pushing for Ebola virus disease, I’m going to quote liberally from this post. The introduction is nothing special, though. It rehashes the same sorts of claims about homeopathy that I mentioned above, such as the ridiculous claim that homeopathy was so successful treating the 1918 pandemic, a claim often regurgitated by homeopaths without any actual verifiable evidence. Oftedal also claims that homeopathy has “well-documented success rates in, among others, scarlet fever, polio, cholera and flu epidemics, and offers a viable alternative to standard vaccination called homeoprophylaxis.” You know what they call someone who relies on “homeoprophylaxis”? Very ill. Or dead.

Here’s where the rationale for using homeopathy is explained:

After being infected with the Ebola virus, symptoms may appear as soon as after two days and as late as 21 days, the average period being 8–10 days.

Symptoms of Ebola can be similar to those of malaria, cholera, dengue fever, viral hemorrhaging fevers and tropical fevers.

Start Phase

Ebola usually starts with flu-like symptoms such as fever, sore throat, fatigue, muscle pain, abdominal pain and headache. There may also be chest pain, hiccups, shortness of breath, difficulty in swallowing and a red rash.

Middle Phase

In this phase of Ebola, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, liver and kidney problems appear, as well as problems with blood clotting, leading to bleeding.

Final Stage

The final stage of Ebola is the bloody one: red, bleeding eyes, bloody vomit, bloody stools, red or purple spots on the skin, localized collections of blood in the skin (hematoma), bleeding from body orifices.

The symptoms described above for Ebola resemble symptoms produced in healthy persons who took one of the following homeopathic remedies— including symptoms of people who were bitten by the snake concerned:

  • Crotalus Horridus (made from rattlesnake venom— fits the Ebola symptoms picture 95%)
  • Lachesis (made from venom of the bushmaster snake)
  • Bothrops (made from the venom of the yellow viper found on the island of Martinique)
  • Phosphorus (made from the element of the same name—relates to internal bleeding)

Thus, the symptom pictures of these remedies (check the Internet) should be examined for a match for the Ebola symptoms seen in a patient. Use the remedy with the closest match to treat the patient.

This demonstrates just how magical the magical thinking of homeopaths is. I note that these remedies are basically a subset of the homeopathic remedies recommended the last time homeopaths claimed to be able to treat Ebola. This looks like the four remedies recommended by Gail Derin and Vickie Menear.

I also can’t help but note how homeopaths are so wrong that they’re not even wrong when they accuse “conventional” doctors of just “treating symptoms.” After all, homeopathy is nothing but treating symptoms! Think about it. Based on a relatively vague similarity between the symptoms of Ebola virus disease and envenomation with rattlesnake, bushmaster snake, or yellow viper venom, homeopaths claim that such snake venom diluted to nonexistence can treat Ebola. Ebola symptoms are caused by the action of the Ebola virus. There is no reason to think that any of these snake venoms has any activity against Ebola virus, and Ebola victims are not likely to be cured without something that halts the activity of the virus.

The really hilarious thing, though, is how Oftedal then presents as evidence of the efficacy of Crotalus Horridus homeopathic remedy the story of a 54 year old man bitten by a rattlesnake on the middle finger and treated conventionally. It’s claimed that the medical personnel gave up, but this man supposedly was miraculously cured by Crotalus Horridus 30C in the form of a few pills of this remedy dissolved in four ounces of water, of which he took a teaspoon every hour. Why every hour? Who knows? Why not? What really made me howl with laughter, though, was this:

This case has an interesting parallel, as at that time, 1892 [when this miraculous cure was supposedly reported], there was no anti-venom available for this case, just as there is no cure nor vaccine for Ebola at present—and, lo and behold, a homeopathic remedy cured the case in short order.

Yes, because Ebola is just like that. By that rationale, though, homeopaths should be proposing taking Ebola virus and diluting it to homeopathic dilutions, then using that to treat Ebola virus disease! Oh, wait. Oftedal proposes exactly that:

How to Make Your Own Ebola Remedy

What you need:

  1. A face mask and gloves
  2. Two bottles (50 ml up to 500 ml glass or plastic bottles) with caps
  3. Clean water (mineral or tap water)
  4. An Ebola sample: some spit or other disease product, such as blood, from a person infected with Ebola, or who is suspected sick with it. Any small quantity will do, even a pinhead.
  5. An alcoholic liquid, such as whisky, brandy, rum, etc.
  6. Half an hour of your time.

Procedure:

  1. Fill the bottle with water, leaving about 20% space at the top.
  2. Place the Ebola sample in the water in the bottle.
  3. Close the top of the bottle with the cap.
  4. Hold the bottle and strike it hard against a solid surface, such as a large book, 40 times.
  5. Pour out the contents of the bottle.
  6. Refill the bottle with water (the fluid remaining on the inside surface of the bottle will serve as the next Ebola sample).
  7. Repeat steps 3 to 6 a total of 30 times.

Storage:

  1. Pour the bottle solution into another bottle—your stock bottle.
  2. Add 10% by volume of the alcoholic liquid (whisky, brandy, etc.) as a preservative.
  3. Store in a place away from sunlight and electronic equipment.

Using this stock bottle, you can supply the Ebola remedy to as many people you want. With one drop from the stock bottle as an Ebola sample you can produce another stock bottle to give to someone else. Instead of the original Ebola sample you used above to make the original stock bottle, you use a drop from the first stock bottle. This process can be carried out ad infinitum, supplying a whole city, etc., if needed.

OK, now. I know we skeptics joke about homeopathic remedies being diluted so much that it’s unlikely that a single molecule is left. So this shouldn’t be a problem, right? After all, what a homeopath who does this should have left is just water, right? Well, I wouldn’t count on it. All it takes is for one or a few Ebola virus particles to cling to the surface of the bottle. The bigger problem, though, is this: What do you do with all the water being used to dilute the Ebola virus? The water discarded during the first few dilutions is likely to be chock full of virus, given how much virus can be found in the blood and secretions of victims. Imagine the potential for accidental self-infection or infection of others if that water deposits Ebola on surfaces where people can touch it, get it on their skin, and then, as people so frequently do, get it on their mucus membranes by either rubbing their eyes, picking their nose, or eating something by hand. It’s insanity! Also, the thought of striking a glass bottle containing Ebola virus-laced water doesn’t sound like the most brilliant plan in the world. What if the bottle breaks? Plastic’s only little better.

You know what’s also insanity? The claim that this solution can be used to prevent Ebola infection. I kid you not. Oftedal recommends mixing a teaspoonful of this remedy into a cup of water and taking a sip once or twice a day. If a person believes this will protect him against infection, that person might become careless with universal fluid precautions and slip up, thus letting himself be infected. In that case, if you’re unfortunate enough to be infected with Ebola virus, Oftedal recommends making a cup o’ cup o’ Ebola homeopathy the same way but taking a sip every 15 minutes until the victim feels better. This is known as letting oneself die. Even if you put electrolytes in it, it wouldn’t even be enough water to rehydrate the victim!

As if this isn’t quackery enough, Oftedal cautions:

There should be no taste in your mouth on taking a homeopathic remedy. Thus, you should not eat or drink anything (besides water) at least fifteen minutes before and after taking it.

This also applies to smoking. Nor should there be any strong odor, such as from perfume, incense, etc. present in the room. You can take a homeopathic remedy any time of the day or night, keeping these points in mind.

Avoid touching a pill with your fingers as your energy field can neutralize the information carried. Use the remedy container cap instead, or some other means, to throw a pill onto your tongue. Allow the remedy to dissolve on your tongue as if it were a piece of candy (actually it is in a way, since it consists of milk sugar, i.e., lactose, plus a trace of alcohol, and curative information). Liquid remedies are dripped onto the tongue.

Wait at least ten minutes before eating or drinking anything besides water. Afterwards you can eat and drink as you normally do.

“Curative information”? More milk sugar, plus a trace of alcohol, nothing more! I do note how Oftedal builds in an excuse for when the homeopathic remedy fails. The person taking it must have mucked up its “curative information” somehow, either by touching it or handling it inappropriately. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Of course, he fails to explain why touching the homeopathic pill with one’s hands will muck up the “curative information” contained therein, but letting it touch the tongue and inside of the mouth, as is necessary to consume it, doesn’t. He does educate me about one thing, though. Remember all those “homeopathic suicide attempts,” in which a skeptic or skeptics down a whole bottle of homeopathic remedy, to prove that homeopathy is water? Oftedal tells us why nothing happens to these skeptics, explaining:

Therefore, please remember that you only need to take one single pill, just one, not all the pills in the container, as some patients have done. Taking all the pills would have the same effect as taking one pill, so you might as well save the rest for another occasion.

This is, of course, true, because homeopathy is nothing but water or the sugar making up the pill. Thanks for making skeptics’ point for them! Hilariously, contrary to the case for virtually all NaturalNews.com posts, the comments after this one were overwhelmingly negative, with quite a few comments castigating Oftedal for irresponsibility and saying, in essence, “You first.” They’re still there on the page left after Adams took down the post.

In any case, you might wonder why I had to take on this particular topic again. The answer is easy. I’ve never before encountered quackery too irresponsible for even Mike Adams. Now I have. Thanks, Ken Oftedal! I’m not likely to see the like of this again. Oh, and Mr. Adams. I have, of course, saved the entire text of the post, which is actually probably twice or three times the length of what I’ve cited. You might try to forget, but the Internet, like rock ‘n’ roll, never forgets.

ADDENDUM: Here’s another quack too quacky even for Mike Adams, a woman by the name of Angela A. Dockter-Harris, who Tweeted:

The link leads to this Facebook post:

Full text (in case Ms. Docktor-Harris decides to throw this Facebook post down the memory hole):

Got asked about Ebola again. What to do, what can be done. Remember a few simple things. 1. Stock you home medicine cabinets NOW. Don’t wait. Stuff has to be ordered and shipped, and in a panic, companies who have protocols that can potentially help will run out and shipping takes time. 2. The body IS designed to be self-healing. 3. Given #2 prepare your body now. Detox. Support the immune system, support the drainage pathways. 4. In simple terms (not to make light of it) it is viral. There ARE remedies that can help the body ward off/fight viruses. 5. With homeopathy COMBINED with bioenergetic medicine we can customize remedies specifically for this (and any virus or toxin). Can we guarantee a “cure”? By law, no. And even modern medicine can’t give guarantees. But can you be armed? Prepared? Supplied? Yes. Contact us today for info on what we might recommend for you to start stocking up remedies for your family medicine cabinet. For everyday health. For this health scare — if you are concerned.

That’s right. Homeopathy isn’t enough. Apparently you need “bioenergetic medicine” and “detoxification” too. (Of course you do.) Science weeps. Dead Ebola victims weep.

ADDENDUM: Not content to let his post be taken down at NaturalNews.com, Ken Oftedal has reposted it at his own blog.

Comments

  1. #1 Flip
    On topic...
    August 23, 2014

    Cancerkiller has to be a poe surely?

    Science Mom, when you go to a shop, you first pay the money and only after that you can take the commodity. I cannot apply the Personal Virus and Cancer Killer, for being just an easy exercise it will spread around the world like the explosion of a nuke. And nobody will pay me any money – I cannot trust the politicians. Everybody should know that only the Personal Virus and Cancer Killer can save the human civilization.

    Not true. In many fields people are requested to pay a deposit with the remainder to be delivered on satisfactory completion of the task. This works well because if you are wary of not being paid, you have a financial incentive from the client to continue and they are more satisfied that you will deliver what is promised. I have no doubt people would be willing to pay a percentage of your asking price, say 10%, to cure the same percentage of affected people. If it works, they would gladly hand over the rest of the money for cures for everyone else. Heck, you wouldn’t even need to reveal *how* it works, just that it does. You don’t need to prove that it works at all before being paid, that’s the point of a deposit. Get some money upfront then just do what you say you can do and get the rest later. You could add in milestone payments so you’re not waiting until the end but getting a steady stream of money as you cure more and more people. You can even sneak in some stuff about no returns or refunds (common in cases where payment is for non-returnable things like digital items and knowledge, which is more legit than it sounds).

    You could even add a non-disclosure clause to a payment contract so nobody reveals your secret – it’s a win/win. If someone breaks the disclosure clause you sue, you win, more money for you. You win again even if someone tells. Proprietary tech? Get a patent. Can’t get a patent, doesn’t matter you can still be known as the inventor and get a Nobel, be known as the saviour, the saint of good health – win again for you. Geez, imagine being rich, famous, righteous all at the same time. … All for a mere piddly down payment with the full fee on completion!

    All you need is a lawyer to write up the contract and some way to present it, like a website or a phone call to the UN or something. In fact a lot of freelancers out there do it so all you’d need is the contract and a website and some marketing. No need to cure everyone at once and with that non-disclosure clause you can just cure individuals at a reasonably high rate, deposit on signing the agreement, full payment after you’ve taught them this exercise.

    No Todd, such information is normally shared in private.

    Tell that to the tens of thousands of people who sell online, especially freelancers. Um, this IS a poe, right? Nobody using blog comments can be that obtuse. Todd W is right only salespeople who are frauds hide their contact info. Write up a contract and sign it, post it to Todd to sign, have a copy each, send him an invoice, Todd pays a deposit, you teach him the cure, he pays the rest. Done. Easy. Use dropbox and paypal if you need to.

    All of you are like the members of the Inquisition who sent Galileo Galiley to the stake when he discovered that the Earth is rotating.

    Not only wrong about the stake but… You do know that earth rotation was figured out *long* before that, right? Like, in the 4th century BCE? Maybe you meant ‘revolve’, but even that would be wrong. See #127.

    Nothing on Earth compares to my “assertion”, that is by far more powerful than the immune system itself, keeping it intact all the time.

    Reminds of that old line about how if the lie is big enough people will believe it. I guess Cancerkiller thinks that if the claim is extraordinary enough, people shouldn’t demand evidence.

  2. #2 Flip
    August 23, 2014

    Damn, screwed up the quotes…

  3. #3 Flip
    Off topic....
    August 23, 2014

    @PGP

    Flip: I’ve been away, but I hope you’re feeling better.

    I am a bit. It’s touch and go. Thank you for your concern, it means a lot to have people – even if they’re just fellow commenters – think of me.

    I know it’s off topic but can I just say I hate public discussions about mental illness? Not a single one of them lead to anything concrete getting done and quite a few of them (see media prattle after every single mass shooting) actually increase the stigma of mental illness.

    Actually I’ve found that a lot of the time it spurs rebuttals of the usual tropes. For one example there was a large argument on one news report after one religious person attempted to argue that Williams’ death was a “murder” because suicide is a sin and Williams’ wife ‘aided’ (through neglect). That’s pretty offensive and if argued here the commenter would have been royally kicked about with data about mental health issues. For myself, his death was a wake up call to seek more support from my family – which I have received since.

    Maybe nothing gets done on a larger scale but there are plenty of people out there sharing and discussing and attempting to move the stigma away on a smaller more intimate level.

    Actually the private conversations I have had with numerous people recently suggest to me that a far more worrying problem is the amount of people who: offer unsolicited armchair advice about a medical issue; run towards ‘natural’ ‘lifestyle’ suggestions for change; and accommodate woo (meditation seems to be a gateway point) for mental health treatment. From fellow sufferers to (to borrow a term) neurotypicals alike. More discussion is needed of the science behind psychology and proper treatments, not less.

    Speaking of stigma…

    Your miracle obviously hasn’t cured your mental illness and delusions. You are a certified lunatic.

    Woo fighter, that doesn’t exactly help. You can be mentally ill and not believe in woo you know.

    Better still, just drop dead, idiot. I’m sick of dealing with a$$holes like you who pretend to have a “cure” if the price is right.

    No, really that doesn’t help.

  4. #4 Politicalguineapig
    August 23, 2014

    Flip: Actually the private conversations I have had with numerous people recently suggest to me that a far more worrying problem is the amount of people who: offer unsolicited armchair advice about a medical issue; run towards ‘natural’ ‘lifestyle’ suggestions for change; and accommodate woo (meditation seems to be a gateway point) for mental health treatment. From fellow sufferers to (to borrow a term) neurotypicals alike. More discussion is needed of the science behind psychology and proper treatments, not less.

    Yeah, I agree. I try not to offer unsolicited advice, and when I do offer solicited advice, it’s more of ‘well, this worked for me, this didn’t, let me know if you’d like to hang out and let’s stay in touch.’ Did that for a former high school friend today.
    I feel I may have flubbed by not mentioning looking into medications- but I don’t feel safe doing that in a public forum, and back in high school he was pretty darn crunchy. Plus, since he’s pretty smart, I kinda assumed he already explored that option.

    I lose patience fast with woo crap, especially when it comes from people who ought to know better (i.e, my family.) I agree that more discussion is needed about mental health issues, but I kinda feel that no discussion is better than having it done badly.

  5. #5 herr doktor bimler
    August 23, 2014

    Cancerkiller has to be a poe surely?
    With all his new-found abilities and fully-potentiated metabolism, it is sad that he has nothing better to do than hang around trolling skeptic websites.

    every cell of the human body receives more oxygen that prevents cancer as well as being very useful for the heart muscle cells, so no heart disease will develop at all
    You would think that some evidence for this would have emerged from all the research with hyperbaric chambers.

  6. #6 Narad
    August 23, 2014

    You see, the discovery will be more useful to all of us than we can imagine.

    *

    Yah, I guess it kind of blοws then that you can’t even keep your shіt together long enough to muster a coherent response when people actually waste time indulging your day-pass performances.

    Now there’s one thing the “Virus/Cancer Killer” certainly can’t do, and that’s to set floats within floats, which has to do with why I’m going to use two comments. What I would like you to try to do is to liken the V/CK to some sort of genuinely recognizable cultural token.

    Just babbling about how “everybody will be absolutely untouchable for any infections, cancers, diabetes and strokes and will not give a damn what sort of viruses stalk out there – Ebola, West Nile, SARS, HIV, Colds, Flues, Malaria, Yellow Fever, etc.” is not going to impress anybody. You may not like it, but you’ve been making a show of putting on such random, public billion/trillion–dollar tantrum-demands for long enough that I suspect you probably have at least a tenuous grasp of this situation.

    So, the first thing I’d like you to do – and bear in mind that this is not a “test” of any sort, but pro bono marketing advice – is to consider this as prolegomenon.

    * Emphasis and reference added.

  7. #7 Narad
    August 23, 2014

    Is. To. Consider. This. As. Prolegomenon.

  8. #8 Narad
    August 23, 2014

    OK, so you’ve already made it abundantly clear that you’re basically one of the Valley People at heart.

    The gods of the valley are not the gods of the hills, and you shall understand it.

    OK, so let’s start selling this stuff. I mean, you’re not about to just roll over and lose to JULIE FREAKING TUPLER, are you?

    Fortunately, the New Seekers are clearly not a relevant exemplar, because, quite frankly, the video of “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing” conjures mental images that make Rumours seem tame by comparison.

    But… what, from a marketing perspective, is the V/CK really like? People need to understand.

    Let’s consider a specific context. Would you say that it’s more analogous to this* or to this?

    * “I will not be threatened by a walking meatloaf.”

  9. #9 Cancerkiller
    August 23, 2014

    Look, Krebiozy, I am untouchable for any diseases, known on Earth, because the Virus/Cancer Killer is by far more powerful than the human immune system, keeping it intact all the time. And the Great Killer that does the great job for me is ITS GREATNESS – THE OXYGEN – the greatest killer of any infectious critters in the Universe – that’s why I got the healthiest body in the Universe – regardless of your “esteemed knowledge” about everything – your “knowledge” is equal to merely nothing, but you feel very comfortable within its realm.

  10. #10 Cancerkiller
    August 23, 2014

    Flip, you are a bit wrong – I do not have to go to anybody to cure him – once I describe the Personal Virus and Cancer Killer, it is so simple, everybody will start doing it and will feel great results in just a few days – the knowledge of staying absolutely healthy all the time will spread very quickly around the world, for it is a ready to use item. That’s why I want the money – I guarantee 100% that everybody will forget about any diseases, drugs, doctors, hospitals, pharmaceuticals, etc. Everybody (kids and adults) will stay absolutely healthy all the time – something unthinkable for more than 2 million years of humankind on the planet.

  11. #11 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 23, 2014

    I guarantee 100% that everybody will forget about any diseases, drugs, doctors, hospitals, pharmaceuticals, etc.

    What action will you take if people don’t forget abut any diseases, drugs, doctors, hospitals, pharmaceuticals, etc.? What backs up your guarantee? What prevents you from not answering the phone after you receive payment?

    My offer of US$0.37 still stands, though if it proves out I may be able to scrape up another $0.37 later to pay for my wife’s share.

  12. #12 Krebiozen
    August 23, 2014

    Cancerkiller,

    And the Great Killer that does the great job for me is ITS GREATNESS – THE OXYGEN – the greatest killer of any infectious critters in the Universe

    But oxygen is most certainly not “the greatest killer of any infectious critters in the Universe”, as a moment’s thought reveals. Most “infectious critters” are exposed to our atmosphere which is 21% oxygen (21 kPa) without dying. Our bodies have no way of increasing that concentration; it is impossible for any exercise to increase oxygen levels over 21 kPa, in practice they are much lower: arterial blood oxygen is about 12 kPa. You can increase oxygen levels if you breathe higher concentrations, but anything greater than 30 kPa is toxic. How can levels of oxygen in the body that are much lower than those in the air kill “infectious critters” when air doesn’t kill them?

    A few pathogens are obligate anaerobes i.e. they are killed by oxygen, but the great majority either tolerate, require or thrive in the presence of oxygen. Staphylococcus aureus, for example, actually increases toxin production at higher oxygen concentrations (in the presence of CO2).

    Cancer cells also require oxygen to live; though they may tolerate or even grow better at lower oxygen levels than normal cells, they are not killed by oxygen levels that normal cells can survive.

    Your claims make no sense in the light of what we know about pathogens and cancer.

  13. #13 Flip
    August 23, 2014

    @210, Cancerkiller

    I guess you missed the bit about non-disclosure clauses and upfront deposits. You clearly have no experience running a business, you can’t market let alone come up with a practical plan to sell your ‘cure’. My guess is if you’re not a poe, you have deliberately set the bar so high that nobody would ever be able to meet your terms.

    All the better for your smug hubris, right?

  14. #14 Denice Walter
    August 23, 2014

    The bit about oxygen makes me wonder if CK’s arcane method involves a variant of deep breathing, yogic breathing, Qi Gong or such like.

  15. #15 Denice Walter
    August 23, 2014

    @ Flip:

    I’m glad you’re doing a little better. It’s not easy. I am certainly not immune and have had quite a few lows myself.

    I’ve tried to build up a repetoire of actvities that seem to have helped in the past: exercise, talking to someone, not breaking my schedule, trying to fix things at home, pretending I’m all right even if I’m not ( sometimes you wind up feeling better), having recreational activities that involve a great expenditure of excess energy ( reading, art work).

    I hope you continue to improve. It might be useful to try to figure out if there is a time element involved: do your lows last a month or more? Do they follow particular events in your life or not? Insight into patterns might help you through worse times.

  16. #16 Denice Walter
    August 23, 2014

    that should be – activities that DON’T involve

  17. #17 Cancerkiller
    August 23, 2014

    Let everybody know that once and for all – I GOT NO LOWS, I AM IN PERFECT PHYSICAL CONDITION ALL THE TIME, I CANNOT GET SICK OF ANY DISEASES, KNOWN ON EARTH, YOUR THEORIZING ABOUT ME IS JUST AN IDIOTIC HELPLESSNESS, YOU ENVY ME TOO MUCH TO STAY QUIET, BECAUSE YOU DAMN WELL KNOW THAT I AM LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF EVERYBODY ON THE PLANET, THANKS TO MY DISCOVERY THAT DESERVES 2,25 TRILLION BUCKS FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO BE LIKE ME, BUT YOU DON’T DESERVE MY ATTENTION ANY MORE! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

  18. #18 Krebiozen
    August 23, 2014

    Denice,
    I suspect you’re right about the breathing; probably something like the supposed Tibetan Rites, which British entertainer Bruce Forsyth credits for living for almost 90 years. I will provide a link to instructions on how to carry out these proven exercises for only $10, a huge discount on the $2.25 trillion demanded by other unscrupulous sellers.

    Incidentally, what would anyone need 2.25 trillion dollars for? You could spend $400 every second of the entire course of your 160 year extended lifespan with money left to burn, and that’s not including interest.

  19. #19 AdamG
    August 23, 2014

    I CANNOT GET SICK OF ANY DISEASES

    If this is actually true, then you’re a terrible person, because you could easily travel to West Africa and prevent a lot of needless suffering. So you’re either delusional, a liar, or a monster. Take your pick!

  20. #20 Krebiozen
    August 23, 2014

    I AM IN PERFECT PHYSICAL CONDITION ALL THE TIME, I CANNOT GET SICK OF ANY DISEASES,

    I’m so sorry I didn’t believe you. I thought you were either lying or deluded, but now I’m convinced. Why didn’t you use ALL-CAPS to begin with? If you had we would all have known exactly where we stood.

  21. #21 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 23, 2014

    Cancerkiller – I don’t understand the attitude. Based on my calculation of my net worth as a percentage of the total net worth of everyone on the plane, I figure that if the governments of the world gave you $2.25Trillion my fair share would be $0.37. Which I’m willing to give you in exchange for the secret. However, I cannot in good faith do this if I don’t know what your guarantee is worth – while I certainly would like to trust you, it would be silly to invest $0.37 like that without the ability to inspect the merchandise and get a refund it it doesn’t match the advertising or recourse if you don’t follow through.

  22. #22 Johnny
    127.0.0.1
    August 23, 2014

    Johnny, obviously you know nothing about cancer causation – exactly the lack of oxygen in the cells is the major cause of cancer.

    I will freely admit that I do not have your understanding of cancer, or, I suspect, infectious disease. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Do you have a blog or website?

  23. #23 Narad
    August 23, 2014

    Let everybody know that once and for all – I GOT NO LOWS, I AM IN PERFECT PHYSICAL CONDITION ALL THE TIME

    Did anyone ask whether you had “lows”? Did you mention this in antonymy to something? Have you ever noticed that your poorly thought out supranational demands for various amounts of cash seem to appear in bursts?

  24. #24 Politicalguineapig
    August 24, 2014

    Narad: I think he may have been responding to Denise. I do kind of wish CK would respond to my query, because I sincerely doubt he’s ever experienced winter. If the water outside doesn’t freeze, that ain’t winter, no matter what the calender says.

  25. #25 Cancerkiller
    August 24, 2014

    Guineapig, please don’t be so sure about my winter experience. I wrote not for nothing that at winter air temperature of 5F I walk around town clad just in my summer shorts and T-shirt for hours and people are extremely surprised, they ask me how come I am not cold at all, while they are freezing in their very thick winter clothes, to which I just say that everybody is different. Many times they take pictures with me on the background of snow drifts and ice in the streets. I also swim in the winter sea at sea water temperature 41F for 10 – 15 minutes, but in both cases I simply cannot get sick, my body is kept warm enough by my doing the Virus/Cancer Killer for a minute a day. What is more, I was actually very easy to catch colds, sometimes flues, getting high body temperature, staying at home and in bed with the nasty running nose, etc., you know how it is when you are sick. Since I started doing this simple exercise for nearly 5 years now, I never got sick of the so called winter or summer flue – I have erased any diseases from my life once once for all. I can disclose my discovery to everybody, but first I guess I gotta be paid for this silver bullet, or Panacea (already not just a myth), maybe the aliens have this knowledge of mine, who knows, but already we, terrestrials, can be equal to the extraterrestrials, regarding the iron constitution.

  26. #26 Lawrence
    August 24, 2014

    Just go away CK…..no one is buying your BS.

  27. #27 Narad
    August 24, 2014

    Just go away CK

    Wait, he already did:

    YOU DON’T DESERVE MY ATTENTION ANY MORE! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!

    I guess the V/CK “iron constitution” doesn’t do anything about flabby willpower.

  28. #28 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 24, 2014

    no one is buying your BS.

    A couple of us tried to buy it, but he won’t accept a fair offer – or at least haggle.

  29. #29 Flip
    Off topic....
    August 25, 2014

    @Denice

    I’m glad you’re doing a little better. It’s not easy. I am certainly not immune and have had quite a few lows myself.
    I’ve tried to build up a repetoire of actvities that seem to have helped in the past: exercise, talking to someone, not breaking my schedule, trying to fix things at home, pretending I’m all right even if I’m not ( sometimes you wind up feeling better), having recreational activities that involve a great expenditure of excess energy ( reading, art work).

    Yes normally I do have activities. At the moment though I am severely restrained financially, *extremely* bored, without friends (and therefore people to talk to or do things with) and career-wise am at a dead end. Part of the problem right now is not having any interest in anything and so on the financial/career front I am utterly stuck. One big thing is that I am pretty sure that I am undiagnosed schizoid/scizotypal, which is a new idea to me. I am really tired of having to try to figure out a way to be ‘here’ when I don’t want to be. Does that make sense?

    I hope you continue to improve. It might be useful to try to figure out if there is a time element involved: do your lows last a month or more? Do they follow particular events in your life or not? Insight into patterns might help you through worse times.

    Yes, mostly triggered by external events outside my control. Pattern matching is not something I have trouble with, I more have issues seeing a point to continuing when there is little to look forward to, a lack of support, and no activity that is ‘worth’ the effort. See above. In particular I am most frustrated with this ‘distract yourself’ idea, because all it does is push the problem further down the road – and my version of distracting myself is to isolate myself further.

    I did try to get out and about this weekend but it only served to remind me that even among people like me, I am not comfortable or interested in what the world has to offer.

    This ties in with a lot of my career stuff actually, which is why it is easier to talk privately as a lot of the details thread together in a way that makes some of my issues make more sense.

    Thanks for listening 🙂

  30. #30 Denice Walter
    August 25, 2014

    @ Flip:

    What you’re doing- mostly alone- isn’t easy.

    Whether you have symptoms more in line with a dx of schizotypal/ schizoid isn’t so important UNLESS if you are seeking more apropo meds or if you want purely to understand it more.

    Actually, did you ever think about getting help with additional education and/ or training in order to acquire more secure/ rewarding work? I don’t know about governmental programmes ( in NSW, is it?) but surely there must be something if you are not earning much and are living on your own ( or with minimal family assistance).

    A relative of mine was ‘downsized’ by the agency for which she worked and she petitioned governmental services to re-train her for a new position. At first, they refused as she was OVER 50 but she harassed them enough – and by saying how she had no one to support her financially- in order to get training in ‘computerised office’ – she was already an office worker- which got her a job she really liked and that paid as well as the one she lost.

    Sometimes you can expand upon what you already know- another relative, who creates ‘movie magic’, has recently had to upgrade his IT skills to keep up with where the busines is going. We had a long talk about that 2 months ago when I ran into him at an event given by another family member.

    I know that AUS is often thought of as a socialist paradise but that in reality, social services aren’t especially wonderful. Ar any rate,I wish you better days ahead.

  31. #31 Flip
    Off topic...
    August 26, 2014

    @ Flip:
    What you’re doing- mostly alone- isn’t easy.

    Whether you have symptoms more in line with a dx of schizotypal/ schizoid isn’t so important UNLESS if you are seeking more apropo meds or if you want purely to understand it more.

    It is important at the moment because I find it very hard not to feel anxious in the ‘real world’. I call it a sense of disphoria; not a feeling that I don’t belong in my body, but that I don’t belong in this *life*. It makes it very hard to be motivated to go and do things when everything seems *wrong*. It’s a feeling I’ve always had but it’s harder to ignore now when I have so much less to look forward to. I am finding it *extremely* difficult to pull out of the imagined world, or at least find being in the RL not worth my time. Normally it’s not as bad as that but recently went through some stuff which kind of f***d up my thinking. Anyway the sum of it is that combined with below I feel I am stuck. That and the disphoria makes me feel crushingly lonely, even ignoring the current isolation from people and work.

    Actually, did you ever think about getting help with additional education and/ or training in order to acquire more secure/ rewarding work? I don’t know about governmental programmes ( in NSW, is it?) but surely there must be something if you are not earning much and are living on your own ( or with minimal family assistance).

    Sigh… This is again why talking on generalities doesn’t work. I am in a highly specialised area at the moment. This limits the opportunities I have, the training I can obtain, the money I can earn and the connections I can make. (It helps to mention I am in the arts, which is far less financially profitable than it is in the US as well as having far fewer full time paying jobs)

    I gaveup on my dream job years ago for similar reasons and took ‘normal jobs’ which have severely sidetracked me into work which I am neither interested in nor trained for.

    Re-education in another field or even the one I am in is difficult as I don’t have the money (government subsidies wouldn’t get me very far, I’d still need a job or financial support while I studied) and don’t particularly have any strong interest in anything to make a career out of it. It would also be my third attempt at changing careers, or at least having a ‘backup’. It’s really not as easy as saying “just change jobs” because that’s what I did and it only made me miserable. Going back to what I was doing isn’t easy as I struggled to obtain regular work in the first place. Working for myself has always been the most plausible possibility, but as I said, it’s very specialised and not easy to make money on it full time without further resources.

    The issues for me have never been lack of skills. For whatever reason I just never make it past the door. It’s I guess that I don’t match up to other people’s experience or qualifications. That and I am not the most personable face-to-face. I assure you I have spent the last decade trying different things and different areas and different approaches to work. I have run out of ideas and most people can only suggest what I have already tried.

    Like I said, if you knew what the specifics were, it would make more sense. It’s like saying I am only one of a hundred people who do figure skating full time. Something like that just doesn’t need magical educational upgrades or government support, it’s just a really small area to work in and so opportunities are limited. Filling my days with work just to get a pay check isn’t me, in fact it also makes me miserable. I can’t give myself emotionally to two jobs at once, I’ve tried. This isn’t someone who needs help continuing a career or changing one: I never had a career to begin with, and I’ve basically not had any kind of stable job (in any one area) for more than a year. My issues go far deeper than your average job hunter and that’s part of the frustration, that there’s been no one interested in tackling those underlying glass ceilings. Everyone sort of assumes that all you do is get some training and apply for a job, but for whatever reason that’s never been how it worked for me.

    I know that AUS is often thought of as a socialist paradise but that in reality, social services aren’t especially wonderful. Ar any rate,I wish you better days ahead.

    Thanks, I appreciate it. And yeah, I have stories about the crappy system. All bad.

    PS. I know I sound all doom and gloom. The problem is that by the time I’ve thought about it, I feel like “why isn’t it done yet?” I can come up with a lot of ideas but it assumes that other people will help/hire/participate. I do have one idea for future plans but it’s a mountain in terms of making it happen and I just don’t know whether it’s right for me let alone practical or plausible. I can’t afford to spend money re-training or whatever only for it to fail. Financially and emotionally that’s too high a cost to take a chance on. I have to find the right fit first, not leap into whatever. So to sum: small hope, but not much of one.

    PPS. Thanks again for reading.

  32. #32 Shailendra
    Ahmedabad, India
    August 27, 2014

    Why speak against Homeopathy? I am sure that a large number of people got benefit from these holistic medicines, and who said that a good homeopath would advice a fixed medicine to everyone carrying the same trouble? This is a wrong information, homeopathy is prescribed individually, in certain case, belledona or aconite may also do wonder and stop the trouble there itself.

    Anyway, forget it, let us assume that homeopathy can not promise to cure, then Allopathy or others ? Can they promise, nobody..

    lets not criticize anyone, let everybody try his way to eradicate the problems in this world.

    May God protect us all from all evil.

  33. #33 novalox
    August 27, 2014

    @shailendra

    Then please provide the evidence, since homeopathy goes against many of the laws of chemistry and physics.

  34. #34 JGC
    August 28, 2014

    Why speak against Homeopathy? I am sure that a large number of people got benefit from these holistic medicines, and who said that a good homeopath would advice a fixed medicine to everyone carrying the same trouble?

    Because it’s not a ‘holistic medicine’–it’s not a medicine at all. It’s instead pure, unadulterated quackery which has not only never been demonstrated to perform any better than placebo treatments but which, if it did work, would require literally everything we know about physics, chemistry, biology, the human body, disease , etc. not only to be wrong but to be spectacularly wrong.

    Anyway, forget it, let us assume that homeopathy can not promise to cure, then Allopathy or others ? Can they promise, nobody

    In almost all cases, they can promise to either cure or be effective at managing the illness. For examp,e, if you have a UTI treatment with ciprofloxacin, ofloxacin, or trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole will eradicate the infection. If you have become infected with HIV current anti-viral/protease inhibitor combination (i.e. ‘cocktail’) therapies may greatly extend survival times (we’re talking by decades: consider Magic Johnson, diagnosed in 1991).

  35. #35 Mike
    NY, NY
    August 30, 2014

    Angela A. Dockter must know what she’s talking about. I mean, her name sounds like Doctor!

    /snark

  36. #36 catherine lopez
    south africa
    September 4, 2014

    have u evr taken homoeopathic medicines? how can u use such rude words for a pathy.if its wrong pracice or it is pseudo then it wont exist for 250 years,patients are taking homoeopathic medicines and are effectively cured,there are cases where even paralysis is treated.n recent research work states that homoeopathy is purely based on nanotechnology. its based on symptom similarity .its action is on immunity .it is effective.those who have taken it will only believe ,other people will only speak rubbish about the science

  37. #37 Lawrence
    September 4, 2014

    @Catherine – since “nano-technology” has only existed for a couple of decades & is still very much an undeveloped area of research, how exactly did “homeopaths” make use of it 250 years ago?

    And what did banging the dilution against a Bible have to do with it?

    There is ZERO proof that homeopathy is anything but water….

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  40. #40 c
    October 13, 2014

    start by saying I agree strongly that ken o. is VERY irresponsible with his blog on how to make a homeopathic remedy for ebola if he didn’t say it it should only be made under strict laboratory conditions. However there are reputable homeopathic labs in canada, usa, Germany, france, etc. that could make a viable homeopathic remedy(s) from the ebola virus(s). However then you also need a lot of trained knowledge in what potency to take and how many doses per day to take and for how many days or weeks. Also it is often advisable to take other homeopathic remedies like plant based ones to help your body clear out die off toxins, etc. If you find a homeopath who uses the voll method of testing , and you follow their directions you have an excellent chance of getting well. However no one can cure 100% of the people 100% of the time, as everyone is unique, and are in variable states of health to start with. I would also like to state that I am not a homeopath but have been successfully helped by taking remedies prescribed by reputable homeopaths; and I have studied homeopathy for personal informative purposes for 30 years. PEOPLE inform yourselves thoroughly before you take any kind of medicine
    (except in emergencies let doctors do their work).If those who believe homeopathy is quackery took the time to really study what it is all about ,they would understand that it is a valid science and needs proper training to produce successful results in treating either people or animals.

  41. #41 Chris
    October 13, 2014

    c: “If those who believe homeopathy is quackery took the time to really study what it is all about ,they would understand that it is a valid science and needs proper training to produce successful results in treating either people or animals.”

    Andre Saine says homeopathy works better for rabies than the modern vaccine. If it is a valid science then you can produce the PubMed indexed studies showing that it works in animal testing.

    So prove Andre Saine’s contention, post the PubMed Identification Numbers to those studies.

  42. #42 TBruce
    October 13, 2014

    If those who believe homeopathy is quackery took the time to really study what it is all about ,they would understand that it is a valid science

    So my 4 years of study for a Bachelor’s in Chemistry isn’t enough to conclude that homeopathy is nonsense? Undergrad Chem was all a big fraud? Oh well.

    However there are reputable homeopathic labs in canada, usa, Germany, france, etc.

    Why does Germany get a capital? That’s not fair!

  43. #43 Lawrence
    October 13, 2014

    @c – given that homeopathy violates a large number of physical laws, I’d say you are as full of crap as it is.

  44. #44 herr doktor bimler
    October 13, 2014

    needs proper training to produce successful results in treating either people or animals.

    There you go. If a homeopathic remedy does not produce successful results, it’s because the person who sold it to you did not have the proper training.
    Homeopathy cannot fail; it can only be failed.

  45. #45 Dangerous Bacon
    October 13, 2014

    “there are reputable homeopathic labs in canada, usa, Germany, france, etc. that could make a viable homeopathic remedy(s) from the ebola virus(s).”

    I’m sure they’re eager for the business. Why not drop them a line and ask where to send the specimens? 😉

  46. #46 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    October 13, 2014

    @c (if that is your name) – while I’m in agreement with Chris, Lawrence, and herr doktor bimler, I’m willing to be convinced. If you can show high quality peer reviewed double-blinded studies that show that homeopathy produces a clinically significant benefit that can be distinguished from placebo, show your evidence.

    If you have any evidence that supports the basic principles of homeopathy and shows that it’s not simply an attempt at sympathetic magic, show your evidence.

    If you can demonstrate that you can differentiate between two water-based homeopathic remedies at 30C or higher without having to look at the label, and that you can tell the difference between those remedies and distilled, deionized water, show your evidence.

    Thanks in advance.

  47. #47 herr doktor bimler
    October 13, 2014

    Out of curiosity, how often are homeopaths struck off the register and disqualified for their lack of proper training (as shown by their failure “to produce successful results” ?

  48. #48 Chris
    October 13, 2014

    M O’B: ” If you can show high quality peer reviewed double-blinded studies that show that homeopathy produces a clinically significant benefit that can be distinguished from placebo, show your evidence.”

    Well that is what I asked for… the animal studies showing homeopathy works better than both placebo and the modern rabies vaccine.

  49. #49 Krebiozen
    October 13, 2014

    .

    Well that is what I asked for…

    I predict either:
    a) crickets or
    b) a gishgallop of references, none of which are remotely convincing individually, but that are supposed to impress through their sheer volume.

  50. #50 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    October 13, 2014

    @Chris – and I’m agreeing with you that this is the absolute minimum anyone should demand – demand, I say! – from their local homeopath.

    I’m given to understand that homeopathic marriages will soon be legal in many US states as well.

  51. #51 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    October 13, 2014

    Krebiozen – I have 2 pounds on crickets (I’ve got 3 pounds 78 pence sitting on my desk right now).

  52. #52 Scottynuke
    October 13, 2014

    M O’B — You’d need a terribly large box for 2 pounds of…

    Oh, wait… 🙂

  53. #53 c
    October 14, 2014

    do you know what happens when you are groggy and glutted on thanksgiving dinner? you go on your computer , read something that makes you grumpy, and unwisely post a comment on a blog that gets other people wanting to tear your every word apart or prove your beliefs. Is this how all blogs work? post a comment, everyone attack, try to defend, attack, so on and so on , never a good enough answer and scorned forever? you know what they say about a woman scorned, oops different connotation.
    think i’m out my league with all your chem. and physics degrees, etc. when my only interests in high school were biology, history, boys and partying, not necessarily in that order. then somehow ended up in a business program in college. I may be full of crap but would really like to know how Lawrence knows I’ve been constipated for a couple
    of days. Maybe someone will be kind enough to send me
    some dark chocolate fudge brownies laced with exlax.
    I am not a liar though. I believe homeopathy works from personal experience, and seeing family and friends health problems either cured or improved from using homeopathic remedies.
    If people I trusted and respected informed me that a certain regular medical doctor did not know how to do his job
    I would go to a doctor with good rep. instead. The same with
    a homeopathic doctor. a homeopathic doctor would not need to be struck off the register, no positive results equals no patients because they very quickly move on to someone else who can do better-whether that is a regular doctor or another homeopathic one.
    Sorry TBruce if you think I was insulting your chem.
    knowledge, not intending to, have a much loved family
    member who is a fourth year chem. major, who has taken homeop. rem.’s and knows they work,and could probably explain it better than I can. also was miffed when my computer (all on its own) capitalised Germany, honestly it just did it again-why??? does it keep putting caps. on that country!!
    c is the first letter of my name.
    If you took a selection of different drugs(allopathic) and made them all into pills or liquid that looked and smelled the same, etc., to the naked eye or other senses, could you tell them apart- wouldn’t you have to take them to a lab to be analyzed? Will admit I personally do not know what labs can analyze homeopathics, however I am not a doctor or a scientist. just used homeopathics with good results.
    D. Bacon, said I believed homeopathic remedies work, but not 100% of the time on 100% of the people for whatever health problem/disease for various reasons, therefore as I do not have access to necessary precautions needed when dealing with any deadly virus ,I no more want to get near one than you do. If I was trained in dealing with biohazardous materals with the proper equipment and authority I would take a minute sample to a reputable lab, however I’m not totally crazy, I would not go to Africa right now where they have ebola. Hope and pray to GOD that I won’t need to test by taking which homeopathic remedies will work for it or have the expense of visiting a homeopath who does voll testing for it , not covered under health care now. okay, time to tear me apart again, sorry if I missed anyone’s question/comment and ahead of time for what you may feel are unsatisfactory answers.

  54. #54 Antaeus Feldspar
    October 14, 2014

    unwisely post a comment on a blog that gets other people wanting to tear your every word apart or prove your beliefs. Is this how all blogs work? post a comment, everyone attack, try to defend, attack, so on and so on , never a good enough answer and scorned forever?

    Depends on what your “unwise comment” is. If you’re talking to an audience that is, on average, extremely scientifically educated, and you release a howler like ‘if the people who think homeopathy is quackery just took the time to REALLY examine it, they’d realize it’s a valid science’, then OF COURSE you’re going to get people calling you on it.

  55. #55 Orac
    October 14, 2014

    Indeed. Posting a comment that a pseudoscience like homeopathy is a valid science is just begging for multiple rebuttals.

  56. #56 Krebiozen
    October 14, 2014

    I am not a liar though. I believe homeopathy works from personal experience, and seeing family and friends health problems either cured or improved from using homeopathic remedies.

    There’s a simple explanation for this that doesn’t mean you are lying or that homeopathy works. It’s called confirmation bias and it has been fooling humans into believing things that aren’t true for millennia.

    Will admit I personally do not know what labs can analyze homeopathics, however I am not a doctor or a scientist. just used homeopathics with good results.

    No lab can analyze homeopathic medicines, certainly not those with dilutions greater than 10C that do not contain a single molecule of the starting material. Not even homeopaths can tell apart remedies that have no labels on them, because there is no difference between remedies, they are either water or sugar pills. If anyone could reliably distinguish between different 10C remedies they would be eligible for the Randi million dollars. The fact that no one has ever managed to do this speaks volumes.

  57. #57 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    October 14, 2014

    c,

    a homeopathic doctor would not need to be struck off the register, no positive results equals no patients because they very quickly move on to someone else who can do better-whether that is a regular doctor or another homeopathic one.

    Sadly, the average patient doesn’t have the time or information to determine how good a doctor or homeopath is. These kinds of decisions are often made based on their manner, how they interact with their patients, how responsive they are, and those kinds of things rather than actual results. People will use the same doctor (or homeopath) for years even though that person may not be doing anything useful and the treatments are either not useful or actively harmful. You don’t see the totality of the person’s results, only your personal interactions (or the interactions with people you know). In the case of a doctor you have organizations that are supposed to pay attention and who will see issues that you cannot; for homeopaths, not so much.

    This is not unique to the medical world, you can find examples all over. Bernard Madoff was able to maintain a Ponzi scheme for more than 10 years. There are astrologers and psychics who make a good living over a career, never once being able to actually talk to the dead or predict the future.

  58. #58 Chris
    October 14, 2014

    c.: “I am not a liar though. I believe homeopathy works from personal experience, and seeing family and friends health problems either cured or improved from using homeopathic remedies.”

    Well you did claim it was a science. I only asked that you provide the evidence to support that statement in the form of PubMed indexed animal studies showing homeopathy works better for rabies than the modern vaccine. Where is that proof?

    Perhaps you should read more of this blog to learn how an appeal to popularity is not a valid substitute for verifiable evidence.

  59. #59 herr doktor bimler
    October 14, 2014

    a homeopathic doctor would not need to be struck off the register, no positive results equals no patients because they very quickly move on to someone else who can do better-whether that is a regular doctor or another homeopathic one.

    This also serves as a good argument against licensing or certifying homeopaths in the first place.

  60. #60 Narad
    October 14, 2014

    If you find a homeopath who uses the voll method of testing , and you follow their directions you have an excellent chance of getting well.

    If I found a homeopath claiming to make medical diagnoses with EAV, I’d be more inclined to alert the authorities.

  61. #61 Woo Fighter
    October 14, 2014

    “…member who is a fourth year chem. major, who has taken homeop. rem.’s and knows they work,and could probably explain it better than I can …”

    I call BS on this. No way any “fourth year chem. major” would believe in homeopathy. They could explain it, but it wouldn’t be an explanation in favour of homeopathy.

  62. #62 Woo Fighter
    October 14, 2014

    Narad,

    Or alert a scientologist. That EAV gizmo sounds an awful lot like Hubbard’s e-meter.

  63. #63 JGC
    October 14, 2014

    reputable homeopathic labs

    That’s an oxymoron I haven’t seen before.

    I believe homeopathy works from personal experience, and seeing family and friends health problems either cured or improved from using homeopathic remedies.

    I don’t dispute that you believe this, c, but I dispute that you’re correct to do so.

    Direct question; how exactly did you factually establish the improvement in your and your family and friends’ health problems was actually due to the use of homeopathic remedies, rather than some other mechanism (self-limiting illness, regression to the mean, confirmation bias, placebo effect, etc.)? It’s on some basis other than a post hoc ergo procter hoc logical fallacy, I trust.

  64. #64 scientistssuckuk
    Uk
    October 15, 2014

    Your blogs have a stop point of knowledge. Your comments presuppose the accuracy of statements made by the anti-alternative medicine brigade. For those of us who have personally experienced the efficacy of homeopathic remedies there is no fear of Ebola, or any other virus or bacterial threat. We leave that fear to those who slavishly adhere to a flawed system that has no answer to the Ebola outbreak. You carry on crowing… we will just get well. comments raised

  65. #65 justthestats
    October 15, 2014
    reputable homeopathic labs

    That’s an oxymoron I haven’t seen before.

    You wouldn’t want to accidentally get something that they didn’t put the wrong ingredient in, would you? That’s the kind of thing you don’t want to mess around with!

    And I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the shadier homeopathic labs cut corners by watering down their products. The really disreputable “homeopathic labs” just sell plain sugar pills, with no active ingredients not put in them!

  66. #66 JGC
    October 15, 2014

    Your comments presuppose the accuracy of statements made by the anti-alternative medicine brigade.

    Actually, our comments instead address the total lack of any evidence whatsoever supporting the statements made by the pro-alternative medicine brigade.

    Case in point: they claim homeopathic treatments can be effective against Ebola, but when challenged can offer no evidence homeopathic treatments are effective against anything.

    For those of us who have personally experienced the efficacy of homeopathic remedies there is no fear of Ebola, or any other virus or bacterial threat.

    Your personal experience represents anecdote, not evidence: this is a statement of faith indistinguishable from any other–you can freely substitute the deity of your choice for the words ‘homeopathic remedies’ without changing the import of this claim one bit.–e.g., “For those of us who have personally experienced the Noodly Appendage of the Flying Spaghetti Monster there is no fear of Ebola, or any other virus or bacterial threat.”

  67. #67 Politicalguineapig
    October 15, 2014

    C: do you know what happens when you are groggy and glutted on thanksgiving dinner?

    Er, yes, but I’ve never timetraveled after a turkey dinner either. Perhaps that might be a cause of your grumpiness?

  68. #68 TBruce
    October 15, 2014

    For those of us who have personally experienced the efficacy of homeopathic remedies there is no fear of Ebola, or any other virus or bacterial threat.

    There’s a few people in West Africa who could use some fearless assistance. What are you waiting for?

  69. #69 doug
    October 15, 2014

    “There’s a few people in West Africa who could use some fearless assistance. What are you waiting for?

    I know you jest, but fools who think “there is no fear of Ebola” are likely to turn out to be horrendous spreaders of disease. Were it up to me, they’d be banned from being within a megametre of known Ebola patient. I’d hose ’em down with 4% formaldehyde if they’d been near something relatively easy to cure, like a Y. pestis>/i> infection.

  70. #70 Narad
    October 15, 2014

    Er, yes, but I’ve never timetraveled after a turkey dinner either.

    Please tell me this isn’t a confusion about when Canada observes Thanksgiving.

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