Pharyngula

I had no idea…

D. James Kennedy, head mackerel of Coral Ridge Ministries, had a very serious heart attack last month. He seems to be recovering now, and let’s all wish him well and encourage him to relax, enjoy the rest of his life, and stop standing up in pulpits and lying.

Strangely enough, though, this opponent of godless naturalism and materialism didn’t trust in prayer and faith when physiological catastrophe struck—instead, he took advantage of the best and latest medical care. Funny, that…do you think he had a deathbed conversion? There are no theistic heart attack patients—they’re all clutching for the defibrillator, the pills, the expert medical assistance before they’ll rely on that ineffectual immaterial ghost in the sky.

Comments

  1. #1 Kristine
    January 28, 2007

    How is the “joke on the teller”? I don’t think anyone’s joking here. Do you really think no matter how snarky it can get at Pharyngula that PZ has “nothing to say that’s worth listening to”? You’re still coming here, aren’t you?

    Don’t you think we ever think about the future and how we’re going to see our opponents as well as our friends start getting older and having health problems? I think about it and I’m sure that PZ does. Speaking for me, I see how Dawkins isn’t getting any younger and there’s William Dembski with his Dawkins fixation. (Yes, fixation.) What is Dembski going to say when Dawkins goes? Boy have I thought about that. Is Dembski going to gloat? I’ve cringed thinking about that and hope that that’s not the case. In fact, maybe Dembski will realize how much Dawkins really means to him then (because there’s some father-figure thing going on there, I think).

    And certainly I hope that no one I pick on in the ID movement thinks for one minute that I would be gleeful in turn. As I’ve said before, you can’t have an ongoing fight with someone without developing some relationship to and connection with them.

    How many times do I hear that “doctors/scientists/whoever” are “playing God” (like they’re creating atoms out of the air or something)? How many times is that flip, finger-shaking condemnation thrown around? Is that fair? “They don’t have all the answers!” Well, duh–but they have a lot of answers. What was it that Ted Haggard said to Richard Dawkins one year before Haggard resigned his post in utter disgrace: “You scientists should not be arrogant.” I think PZ is trying to make a point here.

    I bet D. James Kennedy and anyone who cares about him (or who just cares about other human beings) are glad that doctors and scientists had at least this one answer. But then, people thank God. How about thanking the doctors and scientists, too? How about that, instead of making them into ogre and monsters who hate America or something? How about it?

  2. #2 Hank Fox
    January 28, 2007

    What is Dembski going to say when Dawkins goes?

    From Dembski and the godder crowd, I guarantee it will be something pious and condescending, and the lot of them will SMILE about it: “Let’s all pray for the damned soul – ha-ha! – of this sinful man.”

    Strangely enough, though, this opponent of godless naturalism and materialism didn’t trust in prayer and faith when physiological catastrophe struck–instead, he took advantage of the best and latest medical care. Funny, that…do you think he had a deathbed conversion?

    As to the snark factor, if the goddy side of the argument were only saying words, that would be one thing. But no, a good number of them are actively, aggressively, trying to corrupt teaching, injure science, and hamstring vital medical research.

    The snark is entirely theirs. Evangelist Ted Haggard campaigned actively against gays and equal rights, all while regularly playing with guys on the side. When he got found out, he got sympathy from neither side. He reaped the culture of hate he had personally sown.

    PZ, thank you. The point can’t be made often enough:

    There are no theistic heart attack patients–they’re all clutching for the defibrillator, the pills, the expert medical assistance before they’ll rely on that ineffectual immaterial ghost in the sky.

    I still think that if someone dislikes medical research so much, they should sign a binding contract saying they won’t ever allow its discoveries to be used on them.

  3. #3 Ichthyic
    January 29, 2007

    I’m an unbeliever and I know their prayers will make no difference

    actually, if you look at the latest research on the issue, you will see a statistically significant (barely) trend towards prayer slowing recovery when the patient knew they were being prayed for.

    interesting, eh?

    in fact, one of the major criticisms of the study noted that the negative trends implied that the studieds themselves might be more hazardous than is warranted by any conclusions they might reach.

    go figure.

    bottom line:

    don’t tell your wife folks are praying for her.

  4. #4 David Marjanovi?
    January 29, 2007

    Maybe they themselves should model the behavior that they would like to see “the Darwinists” emulate. I wonder if they ever think about that, instead of just incessantly telling people how not to be.

    Agressive American fundamentalists have that special brand of Christianity, you know, the one without the Sermon on the Mount, the one where “if I had faith that I could move mountains, yet had not love”, I’d rocket straight into Heaven.

  5. #5 David Marjanovi?
    January 29, 2007

    Maybe they themselves should model the behavior that they would like to see “the Darwinists” emulate. I wonder if they ever think about that, instead of just incessantly telling people how not to be.

    Agressive American fundamentalists have that special brand of Christianity, you know, the one without the Sermon on the Mount, the one where “if I had faith that I could move mountains, yet had not love”, I’d rocket straight into Heaven.

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