Well, it has finally happened – I’ve decided to make a place to keep all the comments I don’t publish because they are noise, stupid, or whatever. And I’ll take the opportunity to add here all the ones I feel obliged to partially censor, for whatever reason (other than simple gross personal attacks, which will still just get redacted out).
Commercial linkspam will still be just junked; I’ve included an example of that for your entertainment.
To add: you’re welcome to comment here, if you like. Obviously, comments that are simply stupid will just stay in the comment thread and won’t be moved :-).
Note: some people are going to get a slightly hard time, in that they will want to talk about stuff that I’ll regard as just trolling or flamebait. Well, tough.
Warning: some of the comments below here are Rude. Read on at your peril.
Author : freddy (IP: 178.197.228.216 , 216-228.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch)
E-mail : freddy.milker@gmail.com
shitstoat, you think that with this text you evade the mis-percepetion that you are an honest, objective, or even a REAL scientist.
you are nothing the like, just a totally unmportant, uninspired, self-complacent idiot who thinks he has something to say out of his rotten brain.
you are truely a poor pig
ps: i am considering an investigation against you at scienceblogs as author because you have criminally disclosed my e-mail address and my ip-identity on your ridiculous webpage. i want scienceblogs to close your blog because of your severe inability to do a decent job as talker.
I have carefully documented all your actions against me as pdf files, so deletion of my posts to you and also your insane reactions against me does not help.
“Dr” Roy Spencer is sad and lonely and wrong (part II)
Author : oiuuojhrewqweuzt34 (IP: 178.197.227.217 , 217-227.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch)
E-mail : ioiurtztreewiostzer@hotmail.com
are you an asshole fucker or not, conoli
Author : oiuuojhrewqweuzt34 (IP: 178.197.227.217 , 217-227.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch)
E-mail : ioiurtztreewiostzer@hotmail.com
conoli, you must first wipe away your stinking asshole shit from your stinking asshole, otherwise you smell the whole day like your asshole shit. have you already cleaned your asshole today? be honest and don’t lie
Author : fmioztre (IP: 178.197.225.192 , 192-225.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch)
E-mail : uzttrwioer@gmail.com
so conoli you have got your judgement that you are true adshole, your skill base is poor cumpter support
i will bring your censorship u at wuwt and everybidy will laugh at conoli the asshole
conoli the asshole, hahha, your rotten political fight is lost, becos assholes are never right
Author : fred (IP: 178.197.225.192 , 192-225.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch)
E-mail : fred.milker@gmail.com
bil conoli, you must read this, as you shit arsehole want to censor what offends your low intellect as cheap computer programmer withour talent. compared to me you are a poor nobody, and even far too stupid to catch this in your small warming brain.
hahha, you asshole
haha, conoli you addhole, not all greens are assholes
BUT YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE, FULL OF IGNORANCE
Author : fred (IP: 178.197.225.192 , 192-225.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch)
E-mail : fred.milker@gmail.com
bill conoli, have you any clue about the fact that you are one of the biggest assholes in the climate idiot church? selfish, unintelligent, schizoid, poor manners: just a plain village idiot without any significance in life and society
Shocker: solar physicists interested in solar physics
W, you are evading my question: the scientific answer to it cannot be “start reading there”. I expect a sentence about evidence. What is your problem with the question?
- freddy
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Shocker: solar physicists interested in solar physics
William; Earth’s atmosphere including water vapour is around 4% GHG’s. Venus’ atmosphere is around 96.5%GHG’s. Yet the lapse rate and the temperatures at similar pressures are almost the same (allowing for their different proximity to the Sun).
Why do you think that might be so?
Gases under higher pressures have a higher heat capacity due to the higher resulting density. The pressure on Venus’ surface is 93 times that at Earth’s surface due to its high mass being acted on by gravity, producing a high surface level pressure.
Why then would you not expect the mass of an atmosphere to have a strong effect on surface temperature?
Astrophysicists do. I wonder why climate scientists don’t.
- Rog Tallbloke
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GMOs: Seven Obvious Questions in Search of Straightforward Answers?
Mal congratulations on being sufficiently teflon coated to have avoided ever getting mired in factual debate.
You clearly feel that “environmentalist” scare propaganda can only successfully be pursued though rudeness, counterfactual assertion & censorship not factual scientific debate.
I think you are right.
- Neil Craig
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People, if you want to argue with stoats, first read enough to be a weasel. Parrots needn’t apply
Ianam being an honest fellow since you clearly know Connolley depends on censorship you will (A) acknowledge this & (B) either provide evidence of censorship by a major sceptic site or acknowledge this was a lie.
Or not as the case may be.
W I note your censorship of my response. Perhaps you would be good enough to acknowledge that what I said fitted closely to the standards of politeness you aspire to here.
I note you have reinforced your claim that Lovelock is indeed a scinetist who supports catstrophism thoug that is obviously the total and exact opposite of the truth. You are right that i do not accept somebody who says the alarmist community is insane is their supporter.
I note also that yoi & indeed others here, are still unable to name a single ” other” scientist who in independent and supports alarmism.. So that makes it a scientific consensus.
The Himalyas will melt by 2035 claim was certainly a lie since Dr Pachauri, climate scientist er well actually railroad engineer, had certainly been informed by the sceptic community that it was untrue & continued to claim it for over a year after knowing this. I would be astonished if somebody wiki chooses to rewrite faqctual articles on the subject was unaware of this but then to be fair it would not say much for them if they thought you did know and were lyiing.
I note 7ou say of the IPCC predictions “all of them quite consistent.” which means that you are standing by them all. Or perhaps, having acknowledged the Himalyas prediction in nio way truthful you are saying that everything they say is similarly consistently untruthful (& you still support them all)?
Having to censor all the other points, including the one Guthrie refers to shows you know I am unanswerably correct on them all. It also shows your contempt for scientific principles.
- Neil Craig
“Dullard” – I suppose this counts as ultras politeness from an eco-Fascist fraudster who thinks “denialist nutter” is normal courtesy.
But the fact that you have to rely on censorship is obvious & all you do by trying to play with words is demonstrate your own inability to be truthful.
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So my post suggesting that Connolly taking advantage of Tim Worstall’s liberal commitment to free speech when “sciencebl;gs” depends on censorship has been censored.
Irony impairment meets with ignorance of scientific principles.
- Neil Craig
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Richard are you willing to acknowledge that for “sciencebloggers” on your side to have chosen obscenities, insults and censorship in preference to debate is disgusting? That any decent person should condemn such behaviour. And that you publicly condemn such associates.
The point I made on this thread is that Mr Connolly had taken advantage of Tim Worstall’s commitment to free expressio0n and that of he believes in free speech he should condemn “scienceblogs” sitrs (almost all of them) which rely on censorship. Not doi8ng so seems hypocritical, don’t you thjink.
If you wish to address anything I have said on Casabon’s or here feel free to do so where I said it.
- Neil Craig
No, only those who think carbon dioxide causes it are stupid …
Home experiment No.1
A plastic bowl in a 750 watt microwave oven is not heated by the high intensity radiation (photons if you like) whereas the same bowl in front of a 750 watt electric radiator is heated by a similar intensity of radiation. So the bowl “detects” the frequency difference. Many seem to think that would not be possible and that all photons are the same and all cause warming. The frequency of the microwaves is less than that of the spontaneous radiation emitted by the bowl itself at room temperature. But the frequency of the radiation from the electric radiator is greater. That’s all that matters. That is a simple demonstration of how a surface “pseudo scatters” radiation which has lower frequency than its own emissions, and is not warmed by such radiation. This is the whole point of Prof Claes Johnson’s “Computational Blackbody Radiation” paper. So I have provided at least one example of empirical evidence which is not in conflict with what he has said. There has never been any empirical evidence to disprove what he said, and never will be. I have explained more in the first five sections of my paper.
Home experiment No.2
Check the outside temperature just before, and then soon after low clouds roll in. Why is it warmer when there are low clouds? Water vapour radiates with many more spectral lines than carbon dioxide, so its radiation is more effective per molecule in slowing the rate of radiative cooling of the Earth’s surface. It is also much more prolific in the atmosphere, so its overall effect on this slowing is probably of the order of at least 100 times the effect of carbon dioxide. Hence it is not at all surprising that low cloud cover slows radiative cooling quite noticeably and, while it is present in that particular location, the rate of cooling by non-radiative processes cannot accelerate fast enough to compensate. But that is a local weather event, not climate. Over the whole Earth and over a lengthy period there will be compensation. In any event, what is being compensated for is almost entirely due to water vapour, with carbon dioxide having less than 1% of the effect on that mere 14% of all heat transferred from the surface which enters the atmosphere by way of radiation.
-Doug Cotton
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Lindzen doesn’t like me
w, thank you for your friendly reply. as lindzen, i don’t like you too, since you are a green leftist partisan agw hysteric without formation and track record in meteorology, hence totally incompetent in climate and weather. i bet that i am the far better computer programmer than you and am able to code in many more programming languages complex computer programs.
furthermore i am happy that you have been thrown out of wikipedia as editor of the totally wrong written chapter on climate change. unfortunately for you and your agw church peers the global temperatures don’t go up and you will lose the battle on global warming. bad luck for you and your fans.
-Kai
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@gator, yes, kim il sung
- Kai
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Ha ha [PA deleted -W], burrow as in your mate the Rabbet?
- bushy
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More use and abuse of IPCC 1990 fig 7.1(c)
bill, you are a real authoritarian asshole without any class
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and:
oh holy educator and master, thank you for your kind censorship and intolerance as well as hatred towards climate hysteric critics.
you are right, politeness is extremely important, far more than scientific truth and adherence to good science practice
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and:
mk and other green leftist hysteric warming alarmists: there is no global warming at all, and of course no anthropogenic one, since global mean temperature measurements are way too imprecise, error margin plus minus 0.5 C. so you better shut up with your warming tales and spend your life time otherwise, e.g the invention of better wastebaskets
- Kai
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the thing only is that arctic sea ice melting is irrelevant regarding any sea level rise, since the ice is already swimming in the water, hahahahahahaha, bravo. so if all arctic ice melts no alarmists dreams will come true of a threat to mankind: not one millimeter of sea level rise from complete melting of the arctic sea ice. surprised now, the catastrophics and climate hysterics?
and no, we don’t have a climate problem, and yes, we don’t have anything to do, and yes, there is no anthropogenic climate change.
the co2 alarmists may calm down, nobody will die from sea lebel rise in the next thousand years, basta!!!!
climate alarmists: please start facing real problems, e.g. fincancial debt crises in many countries, economical crises everywhere, high unempoyment rates everywhere, poverty of many millions of people.
and what are you, the climate alarmists, doing: nirwana computer gaming, wasting taxpayers money for nothing but hysterical hypocrisy: you are slaves of al gore’s dream to bring this guy and “top-most climate expert” more money and a bigger private jet. years ago this fundamentally profound climate scientist – al gore – exclaimed: “the science is closed, the debate is over”. no, he is wrong, the debate is never over. he also excremented: “you are welcome to join the consensus”: bullshit, he is welcome to join rationality and honest scientific search to find the truth without compromising with politics or even subordination under alarmistic green dictatorship.
alarmists: do better, and use your lifetime more meaningful than wasting it with nonsense
Name: Kai
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WMC: Please send any follow-ups to the “Burrow” thread
I would if I could, but I can’t so I shan’t. There appears to be no such means of commenting there [Err, that's a baffling one. Its a blog post, it has comments like all the others -W]. Besides, you were the one that raised the issue of religious fanaticism in this thread, not me. So I am at least on topic from that perspective.
I am simply asking you what you believe and why you believe it. It is not a trick question.
Name: GoRight
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WMC: … we’re not a pile of religious fanatics …
LOL, for comparison purposes we in the USA have no counterpart to the Church of England whose Supreme Governor is the country’s head monarch, Queen Elizabeth II, who just happens to also serve as the Queen-in-Parliament.
If memory serves it was British religious fanaticism (and it’s attendant religious oppression of other faiths) that actually led us Yanks to leave and subsequently kick your lot off the bloody continent all the way back to your tiny island home.
But all good natured jabs aside. :) I am curious about one thing. Are you yourself a) religious, b) agnostic, or c) atheist? Please explain your choice and why you have chosen that option.
Name: GoRight
[You're trolling, which is tedious. Signs of you genuinely wanting to talk rather than troll include, but are no limited to (a) politeness (b) no offensive false familiarity -W]
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The censors seems blind to his own ‘incivility’, and to that of his pals. He sets the tone, and then complains about it.
Name: Ben Pile
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” [incivility redacted -W] ”
“[That's rich, coming from you -W]”
That’s rich, coming from you.
Name: Ben Pile
Global temperature response to radiative forcing: Solar cycle versus volcanic eruptions
In my view we need to focus on the assumed problem, namely carbon dioxide and, to a lesser extent, methane perhaps. If I refer to trace gases take it to mean these, because I refuse to call them greenhouse gases.
We have what we have in the Earth’s total system. Somehow, in some way we may never fully understand, a long-term near equilibrium situation has developed. We have some energy being generated in the core, mantle and crust, most likely by fission I think, but I won’t go into that. But it does set up a temperature gradient from the core to the surface which is very stable below the outer kilometre or so of the crust. However, it may vary in long-term natural cycles that have something to do with planetary orbits. Likewise, the intensity of solar radiation getting through the atmosphere to the surface may also vary in natural cycles which may have something to do with planetary influences on the Sun, and on the eccentricity of Earth’s orbit and on cosmic ray intensity and on cloud cover, ENSO cycles etc.
There is much to be learned about such natural cycles, and we have seen papers by Nicola Scafetta for example which appear to provide compelling evidence of the natural cycles. I believe that in fact such natural cycles are quite sufficient to explain all observed climate change, including what has happened in the last half century or so, right up to the present. The world has just been alarmed because the 1000 year cycle and the 60 year cycle were both rising around 1970 to 1998, just as they did by about the same amount 60 years earlier, and 60 years before that and no doubt further back. We cannot escape the obvious fact that there is a ~1000 year cycle which is due for another maximum within 50 to 200 years. Then there will be 500 years of falling temperatures.
But the central issue is whether or not trace gases are really having any effect at all on climate.
In my paper I have explained the physics of heat transfer and demonstrated why trace gases cannot have any effect whatsoever on what we call climate.
Climate may be thought of as the mean of temperature measurements, usually made in the air between 1.5 and 2 metres above the ground. Thermometers are affected by the thermal energy in that air near the surface. As you can read here thermal energy is distinct from heat. It is transferred by molecular collision processes (conduction and diffusion,) by physical movement (convection) and by radiation. . The energy in radiation is not thermal energy. Thermal energy is first converted to electromagnetic (radiated) energy and then that EM energy has to be converted back to thermal energy in a target. Hence, in a sense thermal energy only appears to be transferred by radiation.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics (SLoT) tells us that in any (one way, independent) spontaneous process, entropy cannot decrease unless external energy is added. There are no two ways about it. If spontaneous radiation emanates from a cooler object (or atmosphere) its EM energy cannot be converted back to thermal energy in a warmer target, such as Earth’s surface. This point is not debatable. A violation of the SLoT cannot be excused on the grounds that there will be some subsequent independent process (maybe not even radiation) which will transfer more thermal energy back to the atmosphere. If you disagree, you are mistaken.
However, the radiation from a cooler body can affect the radiative component of the cooling of a warmer body. Although such radiation undergoes what I call “resonant scattering” this does involve the “resonators” in the warmer body and uses up some of its radiating capacity. Because the incident radiation supplies the energy, the warmer body does not need to convert an equivalent amount of its own thermal energy. Hence it cools more slowly.
But, the resonating process involves all the (potential) different frequencies in the incident radiation. There will be far less effect when there are limited frequencies as is the case for radiation from a trace gas in the atmosphere. Furthermore, the effect depends on the temperature of that gas and is less when it is cooler. It is far less from space (equivalent to about 2.7K) and so there is no slowing of cooling for that portion of radiation which gets through the atmospheric window.
The remaining radiation (when we look at net figures, not all that backradiation) represents less than a third of all the cooling processes from the surface to the atmosphere. The other non-radiative processes can, and will, simply speed up in order to compensate, because they do so if the temperature gap increases. There are further reasons discussed in Q.3 in the Appendix of my paper.
So there is no overall effect at all due to trace gases on the rate of cooling of the surface. Thus there can be no effect upon climate.
Commenter name: Doug Cotton
The fact you consistantly refuse to talk about the science and instead consistantly attack me shows you just dont understand what you are getting yourself into. This has nothing to do with some silly company called Wiki. This is to do with you publicly defaming my good name where you refused to talk about the science and instead just kept attempting to ridicule me. And the more you make silly comments about me the bigger the hole you are digging for yourself.
Commenter name: Anonymous, assumed to be Aej from context.
Whether methane or CO2 it doesn’t radiate heat to the surface …
The Second Law can be illustrated with a hose used as a siphon to empty
a swimming pool, for example. It works if the other end of the hose
goes down a slope and is significantly below the bottom of the pool.
The water flows and entropy increase because we have a single process.
The SLoT requires a single process, as is obvious in everyday life.
If you cut the hose at the highest point you now have two processes,
and the water no longer goes upwards from the pool.
Any heat flow from a cooler atmosphere to a warmer surface is a single
completed process. The energy is not constrained to return by
radiation or to do anything in particular. It could be conducted
elsewhere in the surface for example.
Because it is a single process from atmosphere to surface, there is no
justification fro saying that any subsequent process can create a net
effect and thus excuse the violation of the Second Law. It would be
like water flowing uphill to the town’s water tank on the basis that it
would subsequently flow further downhill through pipes into houses.
But there is no constraint enforcing this, as there was with the siphon
before the hose was cut. After all, the tank might leak.
Hence, thermal energy cannot transfer spontaneously from a cooler
atmosphere to a warmer surface. Fullstop.
See my publication Radiated Energy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics
http://www.webcommentary.com/docs/jo120314.pdf
Commenter name: Doug Cotton
No solar hiding place for greenhouse sceptics?
Blogged by William Connolley: “Not having read the original, I’m not sure what was in it worthy of publication;”
Wow, maybe if you took time to read the original, you might at least have an idea. Use the same methodology to edit Wiki?
Commenter name: Darren Potter
There is no systematic causal relationship between carbon dioxide
levels and climate change simply because the greenhouse conjecture is
not based on real world physics.
Prof Claes Johnson has proved in Computational Blackbody Radiation*
that energy in radiation only gets converted to thermal energy if the
peak frequency of the radiation from the source is above the peak
frequency of the radiation from the target.
This essentially provides a mechanism which explains why the Second Law
of Thermodynamics also applies for radiative heat transfer, as it does
for heat transferred by conduction.
There seems no plausible alternative explanation for the observed
Second Law, so I suggest we all heed what Johnson has deduced
mathematically, being as he is, a Professor of Applied Mathematics.
It is not the net radiative flux (or even its direction) which
determines whether (and in which direction) thermal energy is
transferred. For example, if the emissivity of two bodies is very
different, there can be more radiative flux from the cooler one. But
all that flux will be scattered by the warmer one and not converted to
thermal energy. Only the flux from the warmer one (no matter how weak)
will be converted to thermal energy in the cooler one. This “ensures”
that the Second Law is valid in all cases because it depends
on peak frequency which is proportional to absolute temperature – see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien’s_displacement_law
Thus the IPCC “backradiation” cannot affect the temperature of the
surface and there can be no atmospheric radiative greenhouse effect.
* http://climate-change-theory.com/RadiationAbsorption.html
Commenter name: Doug Cotton
Let’s not forget that science and scientists gave us the pesticides and cancer causing chemicals that made environmental protection necessary in the first place.
Commenter name: Meme Mine
Commenter name: Alex Harvey
Steve Bloom, I will respond at the RealClimate open thread later.
William Connolley’s dishonest editing of my posts by selective
censorship (which is not visible to his readers) makes it pointless
trying to comment here, and this will probably be the last time I try.
Commenter name: Alex Harvey
Steve Bloom, further to the above and specifically on how do we know the true magnitude of the LGM cooling, Kohler et al. 2009 say (“What caused Earth’s temperature variations during the last 800,000 years? Data-based evidence on radiative forcing and constraints on climate sensitivity”, QSR):
It is difficult to obtain an LGM cooling from observations only, as the scaling of regional proxy data (e.g. from tropical sea surface temperature or polar ice cores) often involves model-based information (e.g. Masson-Delmotte et al., in this issue).
I am looking at Masson-Delmotte et al. now (2009, “EPICA Dome C record of glacial and interglacial intensities”, QSR), and it appears that GCMs enter the picture when relating Antarctic temperatures to the global average.
If so, I make two notes:
1) James Hansen’s argument (e.g. Hansen et al. 1997, 2011) that assume that the paleo record constrains sensitivity as 3 +/- 0.1 C on the basis that models are unreliable but the paleo record includes all the fast and slow feedbacks is circular. The same models he considers unreliable probably entered in his value of change in temperature.
2) It is even more circular to argue from such reconstructions that Lindzen is wrong, because the crux of Lindzen’s argument is that the models get the equator-to-pole temperature difference wrong and it is this precise feature of the models that the temperature reconstructions depend upon.
By the way, I find it really strange that Lindzen appears to have been the only critic of these early climate sensitivity from paleo studies (e.g. Lindzen 1993; Lindzen and Pan 1994). If you look at Covey et al. 1996 (Climatic Change), it appears that Lindzen was the only scientist to have raised substantial criticisms that needed to be addressed. Nearly 20 years later, we seen in Kohler et al. that the community now views these Hansen et al. arguments very skeptically. How come no one said so at the time?
Imagine a World Without Free Knowledge?
I put how I think this will fully develope in a fictional story.
‘Under House Arrest’ poses a realistic end-point to the progressive
encroachment. I invite you to visit www.steveortwerth.com and see for
yourself.
Commenter name: Steve Ortwerth
On the Limits of Expert Credibility: Theory and an Application to Climate Change?
A more accurate theory about global warming/cooling/climate change is
quite simple. Some sorry good for nothing nutjob dumbass at the top of
the new world order foodchain is demanding MONEY in order to fund
various socialist/communist projects and using this scam called global
warming as a front to obtain the funds. All involved should be charged
with fraud, striped naked, given 25 lashes with a whip, then be sent to
prison in Sibria naked with only one candle to warm the place. This
whole thing is one big massive maarxist fraud and everyone involves
deserves maximum punishment.
Commenter name: Piltdown Man
Stoat:The link that you provide over at Deltoid [... is] evidence of
why Romm hates Kloor is appalling, killer evidence of the flaws in
Romm;Sorry, Stoat, you’ve repeatedly chanted the ‘Romm is over the top,
Romm is over the top, Romm is over the top’ mantra, but with zero
evidence to show for it.
Zero. Zilch. Nil. Nada.
There’s a line between asking for basic civility (while still paying
attention to facts) and being just a tone troll. And you just crossed
that line. You need to step back.
– frank
Commenter name: frank — Decoding SwiftHack
@Jon
“If I’m Bangladesh (current population ~142,000,000) and it’s possible that global warming could render half of my productive farmland useless by several decades from now.”
And how do you expect this to occur from global warming?
What kind of fertilizers are you using?
“Do I trust some high-emitting country, say the United States, to make good on a promise they give now (not that such a promise has been offered) to feed, clothe, etc. half my population indefinitely into the future in the event the feared disaster comes to pass?”
Nope. You’ll have to elucidate on the nature of the danger you are fearing before I can tell you what to do. If there is a country-wide problem that they can’t solved then I expect them to do what most people do in such situations – move somewhere else.
The basic solution for nearly any national problem is to “get richer.”
Mr. Locust:
Please rent “The Wizard Of OZ”. What happened when the curtain was
pulled back is what happened when Deep Climate ran McIntyre’s
programme.
Also ; please tell me how a mining promoter (” we will make you rich if
you give us all your money”) can be portrayed as a scientist.A weak (
and discredited ) paper does not a scientist make. Useful scienctific
contribution does.
Do you believe that monetary contribution from oil industry stink tanks
the scientist make?
John McManus
Commenter name: John McManus
Can global emissions really be reduced?
How was that trolling?
Reducing oil/gas exploration/extraction before we can replace nitrate
fertilizers would kill billions.
Commenter name: TheGoodLocust
Can global emissions really be reduced?
Sans a technological revolution or worldwide disaster our emissions
will not be reduced.
But more to the point – why should we reduce them?
Until we have an equally good replacement for the nitrate fertilizers
that feed so many billions of us then it would be genocide to stop
oil/gas exploration and extraction.
Perhaps genetically engineering the bacteria and fungi in the soil
could solve that problem, which carries risks in and of itself.
Commenter name: TheGoodLocust
“[Well, you certainly got yourself banned from wikipedia due to your
faults -W]”
I assume you mean topic banned like yourself since I wasn’t banned (to
my knowledge – haven’t logged on in a while). In any case, that was
certainly an interesting decision since I hadn’t posted in any climate
change articles/talk pages for several months when that decision was
handed down nor was my content ever in dispute (IIRC).
Of course, I don’t consider it a problem either – perhaps an amusing
example of the Peter Principle though.
“[Appears to be a common illusion amongst the skeptics.
http://deepclimate.org/tag/michael-mann/ will put you right (or rather
it would, if you read and understood it, but I'm pretty sure you'll do
neither) -W]”
I was just mentioning the criticism. I can’t speak to its validity and
since the conclusions of the Hockey Stick are clearly incorrect for
other reasons there is no point in studying it.
I merely note that other climate scientists and statisticians have
found the criticisms to have some weight.
Commenter name: TheGoodLocust
Paul S, in a just world an investigative journalist would be set upon
McIntyre. There’s more there than meets the eye. OTOH he’s pretty well
passed his “use by” date at this point.
Posted by: Steve Bloom | November 23, 2011 12:11 PM
Yeah! Right Steve – damn shame the News of the World is no longer
about. You could ask them to hack his phone for you.
Commenter name: Doug UK
SuperFreakonomics: Global Cooling (and some other stuff)?
What a bunch of arrogant ignorant fools. Global warming is a con. Watch
the Great Global Warming Swindle, look up the educated scientists like
phycisist and meteorologist Piers. Check out the climaterealist.com
website and Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change
website which are all full of scientists and even ex IPCC members that
are full of scientific studies that show there is no evidence of global
warming. Cooling is a part of the natural cycle and it is inevitable
and is actually due according to the 80 year cycle, don’t forget the
sun is in a quiet period which is due to get worse and places like the
Met office have finally agreed with the likes of Piers that the sun
does influence the temperature. The planet has been warmer when there
was less CO2 and there is scientific evidence that the last 10 years
has cooled which doesn’t make sense when considering CO2 levels have
increased. Then there is the fact that computer models get it wrong
constantly. The only comparison of CO2 and temperature is very close
but there is a chronological issue for global warming nuts, and that is
it gets warmer and THEN the CO2 levels increase and that is thought to
be due to the increase in eco activity when the planet is warmer.
Commenter name: Shaun
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