O'Brien Trophy Regret

That reminds me of a lunatic freeper (there's a tautology for you) quoted by Shakespeare's Sister:

I had an interesting discussion with a conservative-leaning friend who doubted that liberals were anti-American, and sided with the terrorists. "Why would they want the terrorist to win?" he asked. I think it is quite simple.
First, the left is still enamored by Marxist/Stalinist socialism. This is why they embrace Castro, Chavez, Kim, ad nauseum. I know this is different than Islamo-fascism, but hang in there, I'm getting there...
Second, left-wing extremists hate our free society. They do not appreciate hearing viewpoints that disagree with heir own. They believe that they already have all the answers, and any conflicting arguments are counter-productive at best.
Third, they believe their socialist ideal is achievable, but only after the current capitalistic, democratic republic is eliminated. Therefore, they see the Islamo-fascist sabotage of our country as an opportnity [sic] for their takeover. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". They believe that after they can take over our country only after:
1. Islamists nuke Washington DC and the US Government fails, or
2. The democrats win both houses of congress and vote to surrender to the Islamo-fascists, or
3. The democrats win both houses of congress and vote to weaken our defenses to the extent that #1 or #2 occur.
Then the fun happens. The constitution will be re-written to change "rights" to "demands". Free speech will be replaced by "correct" speach [sic]. Religion will be outlawed. Private property will be eliminated, and a system whereby income taxes will rise to 100%, with the government deciding how much money to distribute. We have seen this pattern before.
Of course, the Islamo-fascits [sic] have no special love for leftists, either. They will not be satisfied with nuking one US city. They have made their case quite clear...they intend to eradicate us "devils". Even a leftist attempt to placate the Islamo-fascists by offering American Jews to them will not satisfy their hunger for western deaths.
This is the snapshot view of my opinion of the leftists' motivations to our current problems.

You can start a new tropy. AFDave, over at After the Bar Closes, is distinctly stupider than even Robert O'Brien.

AFDave's UPDATED Creator God Hypothesis Thread Part 2.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 'SP' a Scientologist term for people who go against them?

This guy used to commentary on my "Favorite" radio show of the religious nutbags, Bob Larson. Bob, sad to say, no longer does his daily radio show. He used to beg for cash on a hourly basis, had "enemies" out to get him(some of whom he paid), exorcised demons from callers on the air and wrote(or had ghost written) several really bad novels, which he apparently is not willing to sell on his current website. He was also touring the country doing demon exorcism programs. Larson was humorous in a "I can't believe he's doing this" kind of way. Its something missing from the current batch of religious broadcasters.

Now Larson has a new website and new scams for the suckers. http://www.boblarson.org/

Anyway, Craig Smith used to be on Larson's radio program to talk about economics. From the article, Smith has not achieved sanity or rationality in his old age.

Scott

I can't find it anymore, it seems, but somewhere in my computer files is a quote which I took years ago from an interview which was conducted in prison with a terrorist who had been convicted in an earlier bombing of, I think, the WTC. The leader said something to the effect that what really bothered Muslims about the US wasn't it being "a Christian Nation." On the contrary, they could respect a country founded and built on the laws of God, even if it was a different understanding of God. So they admired those who were trying to put religion into government, the schools, etc.

But secularism -- the separation of church and state -- that was offensive. That was evil.

I'm going to keep looking around for it. Not that it would change this guy's mind, of course. Actually, it would probably support D'Souza.

Given that loonies like Craig Smith live in a parallel universe that exists only in their minds, they should not benefit from modern conveniences, all the fruits of the Enlightenment. They should communicate using stone tablets and messengers or (if they can afford hand made papyrus) passenger pigeons. That way their missives would reach their intended audience of the ignorant without being polluted by the fruits of modern technology.

They don't call it World "Nut" Daily for nothing.

Please stop using the term "mouth breather" to suggest stupidity. Mouth breathing has a whole lot more to do with sinus and respiratory problems than intelligence.

Carry on...thekeez

Scott,

I've got some funny phone calls from my college days calling Bob Larson's show.

Bob Larson may be the funniest of all the religious right loonies. He's so irrational he makes Pat Robertson look like David Hume by comparison. He truly is one of those nuts you watch with your mouth agape, just astonished that anyone could possibly do anything but laugh at it.

And then it says he wrote a book claiming that oil is not fossil fuel at all, is constantly regenerated within the earth and therefore there is no shortage. Seriously.

It should be noted that a Nobel prize winner has a hypothesis based on the differing material found in oil reserves around the planet. His name is Gold I believe and this merits a paragraph or 2 in Michael Shermers book 'Science Friction' from a year ago. Shermer gave it a 5/10 chance of being correct given Gold's track record.

So this O'Brien award winner is beyond stupid but perhaps he bought the hypothesis before the evidence said one way or the other.

And then it says he wrote a book claiming that oil is not fossil fuel at all, is constantly regenerated within the earth and therefore there is no shortage. Seriously.

It should be noted that a Nobel prize winner has a hypothesis based on the differing material found in oil reserves around the planet. His name is Gold I believe

Thomas Gold. He wasn't a Nobel Prize winner, but he was a reputable astrophysicist who worked with Fred Hoyle and eventually became head of the Cornell Astronomy Department. Gold's biggest successes were in magnetic fields (he coined the term "magnetosphere") and in helping to develop the Steady-State Theory (the only serious scientific alternative to the Big Bang, now largely discredited).

In 1992, he published a paper called "The Deep Hot Biosphere" (expanded into a book in 1999) that put forth his "fossil fuels aren't from fossils" hypothesis. It hasn't found much purchase in the West, but there are quite a few Russians (where abiogenic hydrocarbon origin theories have been around since Mendeleev) who are trying actively to prove it.

It's a serious enough theory that there have been legitimate articles in the geological journals[1] weighing the pros and cons, though most geologists regard it as unlikely - putting it in much the same niche as the Steady State theory occupied in astrophysics not that long ago. Google or Wikipedia can give you plenty of information with the keywords "abiogenic petroleum" or "hot deep biosphere".

[1] Glasby, G.P., 2006. Abiogenic origin of hydrocarbons: An historical overview. Resource Geology 56, 83-96 [this article finds mostly that the evidence is against the abiogenic theories]

There's a disconnect between Craig Smith and Mustafa Akyol, the Turkish journalist who testified at the Kansas Kangaroo Kourt. Akyol claimed that

But one reason of the widespread resentment is that Muslims think the west and, of course, the United States is completely a materialistic civilization. They think that when they watch western films, when they read western media, and when the kids take western education, they think that they will be poisoned by an ideology, materialism.

So it's win-win for the wingnuts: secular or Christian, the terrorists get us!

Oh - I should also mention that although Thomas Gold's abiogenic petroleum theory is a scientific theory in the proper sense, it has, like certain other marginal and largely disproven theories (steady-state, cold fusion, AIDS isn't caused by HIV, etc.), attracted a whole circle of rabid believers who wave off any scientific evidence against the abiogenic theory as Evil Propaganda From Scientific Elites and Corporate Fat Cats Determined To Crush The Real Truth.

I like the way the badgeology.com website categorizes things. They distinguish between "pseudoscience" and "fringe science", and categorize abiogenic oil theory under "Presumed Frontier Science but in reality Fringe Science", along with "Global Energy Shortage Doomsayers", panspermia, and "Anthropogenic Global Warming Naysayers".

Anyway, while it may be true that Gold's work on abiogenic oil at least qualifies as a properly constructed (if implausble) scientific theory, and it might even turn out to be the case that Gold's theory describes a real-world process which does account for some small minority of oil deposits, I'm not quite sure Smith's book rises to the same level of, um, worthiness of slack. Here's the inside flap, as summarized by amazon:

It is estimated that Americans consume more than 25 percent of the world's oil but have control over less than 3 percent of its proven supply. This extremely unbalanced pattern of consumption makes it possible for foreign governments, corrupt political leaders, terrorist organizations, and oil conglomerates to place the citizens of the United States in a stranglehold of supply and demand. There is no greater proof of this than the direct relationship between skyrocketing gas prices and the exploding wealth of those who control the supply of oil.

In Black Gold Stranglehold, Jerome R. Corsi and Craig R. Smith expose the fraudulent science that has been sold to the American people in order to enslave them: the belief that oil is a fossil fuel and a finite resource. On the contrary, this book presents authoritative research, currently known mostly in the scientific community, that oil is not a product of decaying dinosaurs and prehistoric forests. Rather, it is a natural product of the earth. The scientific evidence cited by Corsi and Smith suggests that oil is constantly being produced by the earth, far below the planet's surface, and that it is brought to attainable depths by the centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation.

In great detail Corsi and Smith explore the international and domestic politics of oil production and consumption. This includes the wealth and power of major oil conglomerates, the manipulation of world economies by oil-producing states and rogue terrorist regimes, and the political agenda of radical environmentalists and conservationists who obstruct the use of oil reserves currently controlled by the U.S. government. The authors offer an understanding of the dangerous situation America faces because its currency is no longer tied to any precious and truly scarce metals such as gold, as it was until 1973. This situation could easily lead to the devastation of the U.S. economy if Middle Eastern countries are able to enact current plans to accept only the Euro or gold-backed currencies such as the Gold Dinar instead of the U.S. dollar as the standard currency for oil.

Black Gold Stranglehold will dramatically change the debate about oil. The significance of its message is sure to cause thoughtful people to reconsider the current dependence of the U.S. economy on imported oil.

I see some warning flags there.

I also notice, with some alarm, that the publisher of the book is "WND press". Wait, what? Does WorldNetDaily do book publishing now?

"Anyway, Craig Smith used to be on Larson's radio program to talk about economics."

Bob Larson must be for people too far out for Art Bell.

A question: could someone please explain who the Robert O'Brien of the trophy is and why he's a suitable symbol for ideologically-driven stupidity?

I've seen the trophy referred to here before and I've tried a few searches to find out who/why/what, but "Robert O'Brien" is an awfully common name.

Ktesibios:

Originally, it was simply called the Idiot of the Month Award. The Robert O'Brien in question is a first class obnoxious ass I banned from here long ago. He was so persistently idiotic that I renamed the award after him. He blogs at http://huperborea.blogspot.com.

He still complains about it sometimes in the comments at Pharyngula.

@Skemono:

Really? My Pharyngula killfile must be working properly!

i heard from a guy who works for a oil company that the company knows oil is constantly renewing and will never run out but because they are so greedy they limit how much they produce to make more money at the expense of the regular american.

anyway even if oil could run out there is stuff just waiting to be used things that have been around for 50 years. everyone knows there is a 250 mile per galoon carburator that the car companies were paid off by the oil companies to keep off the market. there is plenty of corn to replace all teh gasoline used in america and then some. look at brazil. and there is enough coal to do everything for centurys and we havent even talked about nukes yet.

worrying about running out of oil is like worrying that the planet is getting hotter when neither is or ever will be true.

You forgot to mention there's a car that runs on water, man.

Petroleum is produced when sequestered carbon is exposed to suitable conditions of heat and pressure. So it is true that petroleum continues to be produced, and if we use it up, we'll be able to get more; we'll just have to wait a a few million years.

I have a car that runs on water, but I have to use a gasoline engine to power the pumps the get the water to the wheel that powers the car. But the car itself runs on water.

Hey, I have a car that runs on water, all I have to do is electrolyse the water first to release the hydrogen and oxygen to be burnt!

Petroleum is produced when sequestered carbon is exposed to suitable conditions of heat and pressure.

There's also the fact that you don't just need petroleum being produced, you also need the right geology (faulting, impermeable layers etc.) to happen near the source to trap and concentrate it enough for it to be worth extracting, close enough to the surface for us to get at it.

That probably adds and order of magnitude or three to the already large disparity between production and our consumption...