It's a contest!

Mmmmm... nah. The crazy might infect me.

You probably don't care, but I tagged you with a meme.

From the site:

"For a chance to be chosen, fill out and send in the electronic entry form below. If you want to increase your odds of having Ben sent to your home, return each day the contest is running and enter again."

Oh yay. That sounds fun.

And what would I do with it? I already receive more garbage through the mail than I can handle. I think I'll pass...

What kind of dung? I can think of a few that might be of more interest than Expelled. Or owl pellets. Those are fun to dissect, and more interesting by several orders of magnitude.

I guess giving it away IS about all they can do with it, to be fair. I can't imagine anyone actually PAYING for it.

I already did. Actually, I have entered two others, but somehow I thought that bringing up the suboptimal "design" of mitochondria wouldn't exactly win me a DVD from Beliefnet. To their credit, they at least published my comment, which was not the case at Expelled's blog.

But of course, why would Expelled fail to censor this, ""If a theory claims to be able to explain some phenomenon but does not generate even an attempt at an explanation, then it should be banished." Michael J. Behe, Darwin's Black Box p.186"? They certainly have to censor IDist stated desires to censor science?

Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

OT:

Fuckin' religion. Ban 'em all.

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How about a drawing of a cell with an arrow pointing at a part of it with 'Jesus' written next to it?

"Stein reveals an open hostility amongst the scientific community towards scientist who embrace intelligent design."

Is their use of the singular 'scientist' embracing ID a mistake or an important point about who is on which side of the 'debate'. Hmmm, time to invoke freud and some commical slippage...

Seriously, this would be so much better as a raffle to benefit NCSE. It'd raise thousands.

And I'd only use part of it to pay off my debts.

(Wait, did I just say that out loud?)

I don't have a Blu-ray player otherwise I might consider it. The idea of using it has a coaster seems foolhardy. Why enter when you are clearly going to be depriving someone else who wanted a copy to use for its intended purpose. It seems mean-spirited and petty.

Is their use of the singular 'scientist' embracing ID a mistake or an important point about who is on which side of the 'debate'. Hmmm, time to invoke freud and some commical slippage...

Persecutor!

They have every right to use whatever combinations of wordforms they wish, without any nasty "English experts" preventing them from teaching their own version of grammar.

There shall be no more intellectual standards, for when it was discovered that God could not be confirmed using intellectual standards, we knew at once that those were the instruments of Satan.

Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

What's with the demonic "Who Will Marry You?" couple in the ad at the top of the page? Her eye twinkles, his molar sparkles. Creepy as hell.

It seems mean-spirited and petty.

And the film wasn't?

This dvd is so mine. I am going to find a little kid to give it to for Christmas, then tell them Santa isn't real!

(Only to have them tell me, "I am Jewish, you stupid jerk!")

From the site:

"For a chance to be chosen, fill out and send in the electronic entry form below. If you want to increase your odds of having Ben sent to your home, return each day the contest is running and enter again."

Oh yay. That sounds fun.

Eek! I somehow misread that as the much more harmless "having Ben send it to your home". Can I retract my entry?

Why enter when you are clearly going to be depriving someone else who wanted a copy to use for its intended purpose. It seems mean-spirited and petty.

Ahh, depriving people of the lies that they might hear, believe, and use to despise others.

What mean-spirited people. I mean, Pete Rooke wouldn't do anything honest to dissuade others, would he? No, he resorts to some sort of dishonesty every time--and when anyone objects to spreading lies, it's a personal affront to ol' Pete.

Remember, anyone's "truth" is truth indeed, or at least it is until they question God or the Bible.

Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

Brownian @ #4:
It would have to be a coprolite of some sort, just to put the point across even more. I nominate this one from Saskatchewan due to its size and how one would need to have a big chunk of poo to adequately address Expelled. Besides, there's pun potential there.

A drawing? That means the winners will be chosen at random? Silly creationists, what are the chances that a person gets to own a DVD through a random process? You need an intelligent ownerer for that!

"Why enter when you are clearly going to be depriving someone else who wanted a copy to use for its intended purpose."

Because presenting lies as fact is much worse that using a DVD as a coaster.

@ Kel

I haven't seen it, have you? Why not let people decide for themselves whether it is mean-spirited and petty.

I haven't seen it, have you?

I have not, but I've read plenty of reviews of the film and almost all of them called it propaganda. I haven't read Mein Kampf either, does that mean I can't know the content based on the reviews and musings of those who have read it? Do I have to watch Debbie Does Dallas in order to work out it's pornography? I haven't seen it, for all I know it could be about a small-town girl who goes to the big city in order to become a dancer where the real journey is the change within.

I haven't seen it, have you? Why not let people decide for themselves whether it is mean-spirited and petty.

Let's not stop there. In fact, why not even let them go to the video store and rent it?

Pete "well meaning fool" Rooke. This isn't your blog. Now that you have a blog, you should be posting there, not here. Again, we don't give a shit on what you think on any subject. And whatever you say, the opposite is usually true. So you are just a waste of ̦PZ's bandwidth. You have a blog. Stay there.

I haven't seen it, have you? Why not let people decide for themselves whether it is mean-spirited and petty.

Well, dickhead, how hard is it to figure out when it has been reviewed extensively by people who have seen it (including Dawkins), Ben Stein kept on whining about how "Darwinism" prevents the questioning of gravity, and the people promoting it are hypocritical, censoring swine? Are you too stupid even to notice that they have to be lying hypocrites to censor their own blog, including my polite comment?

But then, disingenuousness is your only weapon, Pete. Perhaps someday you'll be informed enough to recognize that it is a pretty blunt weapon, but the way you're going it is unlikely that you'll ever be anything other than an uninformed dolt.

Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

Yay for allowing Canadians to enter... I'm in! :)

I haven't seen it, have you?

Ben Stein in his own words when promoting the film: "Science leads to killing people"

Maybe we should just fill out as many entry forms as possible with the details of Discovery Institute fellows. Let them dispose of the garbage they've created.

And yes, I know I shouldn't be feeding a tool like Petey. I'm through with it, with a 90% certainty level.

Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

@ Glen Davidson

"Are you too stupid even to notice that they have to be lying hypocrites to censor their own blog, including my polite comment?"

No I had not, although now that I read your blog I see that they did block you polite (though hostile) comment. I would point out that they are in the business of trying to make a profit and that the same behaviour could be expected of any company promoting a DVD.

If you want to increase your odds of having Ben sent to your home, return each day the contest is running and enter again.

Oh, man, now I'm having a very Python moment.

"Who is it?"
"It's Ben Stein with your video!"
"You can't come in!!!"
"But ma'am, it's Ben Stein. We're out here with a camera crew and everything."
"No! He can't come in! He's a very naughty boy!"

I'm puzzled, PZ. The blurb says "Ben Stein uses his unique brand of humor to provide a funny and insightful narrative throughout the film." This can't be the same Expelled that I saw earlier this year because there wasn't a trace of humor or insight in that whole thing. Perhaps this is a brand new director's cut in which humor and insight were spliced in? That would be cool!

And, yes, I did see this movie. It was wretched. (Big surprise.)

"Pete ... Rooke. This isn't your blog. Now that you have a blog, you should be posting there, not here. Again, we don't give a **** on what you think on any subject. And whatever you say, the opposite is usually true. So you are just a waste of ̦PZ's bandwidth. You have a blog. Stay there."

You seem obsessed with me, if my presence here infuriates you so why don't you leave.

Or, here's a novel thought, skip over my posts.

Awww... it's BueRay I am so tech backwards, guess it would have to be a coaster.

A DVD is rather wafer-shaped, if a bit larger. Hmmm...

I'd sign up, but I'm afraid of what mailing lists they would sell me too, and they obviously want you to sign up daily so they can sell you to someone else each day.

Oh man, I am so entering every day. PZ will you sign it for me if I win? Maybe if I pray hard enough... (evil laughter)

And there is always the reaction of people seeing the film
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2488,Open-Letter-to-a-victim-of-Ben-S…

You seem obsessed with me, if my presence here infuriates you so why don't you leave.
Or, here's a novel thought, skip over my posts.

And miss the belly laugh that your total ignorance shows?

You are a godbot and theist posting regularly at an atheist blog. What is your point? To try to save us? You need to work on an answer to that.

Pete, you seem to think we take you seriously. We laugh at you, and your ravings. Every time you post here you lose more face. Look at the response to your postings. Almost universally unfavorable. I'm trying to give you advice. Take my advice. You now have a blog. Make use of the blog for your opinions. But stay there.

I'd sign up, but I'm afraid of what mailing lists they would sell me too, and they obviously want you to sign up daily so they can sell you to someone else each day.

I don't think you have to sign up multiple times in order for them to sell the address multiple times. I presume the reason for allowing multiple entries is as ingenuous as making it so that those who really want the video are more likely to win it.

Take my advice. You now have a blog. Make use of the blog for your opinions. But stay there.

I like him here, when moderates come and complain about how faith is under attack, we can point to the batshit insanity of the likes of Petey and Pilty and say "that's why". Pilty believes in literal demonic possession (that was the best laugh I've had in months), they are tools but they are pathetic tools that provide an endless supply of entertainment.

I just can't take someone seriously who thinks that nailing a cracker is a hate crime.

its worth as much as jesus' free gift of "dying" for me.
and i put "dying" in quotes since gods technically by definition can't die.

i'll pass. you can't give those things away, although in my youth when i was all like all shaking my fist at god and saying hey, "i'm going to debauch myself, i hate you god, etc etc (add your theist fallacy here regarding atheists )", I worked with a man who used to say, "People will buy shit on a stick if it was on sale"

- and he was right unfortunately.

It was my first of many rude awakenings to the abject stupidity of people.

Why enter when you are clearly going to be depriving someone else who wanted a copy to use for its intended purpose. It seems mean-spirited and petty.

Because the "intended purpose" is to disseminate documented lies. Actively combating falsehoods is noble and good. What perverted moral system do you subscribe to?

What perverted moral system do you subscribe to?

He's a catholic, a member of the cannibal cult, the cracker-worshipping collective.

Funny, I'm watching it now through Netflix - Every bit as awful as I expected it to be and then some.

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Whooda thunk that a whole seven years after we started dropping bombs on Afghanistan that all of Central Asia wouldn't yet be a democratic paradise?

I thought this was one of those simple tasks that Big Government CAN handle?

"This contest is open to all residents of the United States and Canada"

I feel, well, not deprived exactly ...

If I win, I'll use mine as a bookmark for Eucharistic Miracles!

I would enter the contest, but the threat of Ben Stein actually coming to my house is too scary.

Though on the other hand, what exactly are the conditions of his visit? Would he have to sit there if I decided to read a few chapters from The Ancestor's Tale to him?

I absolutely entered! If I win it, I promise to do something horrible to it and send the photo. We should all absolutely enter this thing daily, thereby increasing the odds it will land in the hands of someone who not only won't watch it, but will render it unwatchable.

Maybe I could enter, but give a postal box I've rented downtown as the address I want to get the DVD at? That way I wouldn't have to let him on my property.

Haven't gone through all the legalese yet, but that's a legitimate way of receiving mail... *shrug*

Mena@#18

Southern Sask is full of coprolites, I have a number that I dug out of a sand hill many years ago. I use them as paper weights.

Sask is also in the middle of the Canuck Bible belt. You can provide your own link between the two comments.

C'mon people without Pete Rooke, Eric A., Walton, TM in a pissy mood, and the haphazard visit from a godbot or concern troll, it would be a sloppy admiration-fest. I look forward to Pete's analogies (perhaps because I've become bulimic and welcome the need not to stick my finger down my throat in order to wretch).
And then there's Salt, and that guy that adds (*) to his name to get around the filters. It's allgood troll-bashing fun!

First prize is one copy; second is two.

please do not consider me entered to "win" your "prize."

i'm just stopping by to post this plea by john scalzi over at his blog "whatever":

5. I want an asteroid and/or an animal species named after me. This is a repeat want, since I've mentioned it in previous "I want" entries -- and yet, look at me, still without an asteroid or obscure species of blood tick to call my own. Life is full of adversity. I must struggle through. Seriously though, astronomers and/or biologists, I don't want to bribe you or anything, but there's a character in one of my upcoming books just looking for a name. And it's a cool character, too -- not one of those that meets a humiliating death, or can't get a date, or anything like that. Unless, well, that would amuse you. What I'm saying is, there's options available. Come talk to me after class.

someone here must know someone who could help scalzi out.

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/10/want-want-want-want/

I might enter, just for the sake of having more material for CD-spindle making. CD drop spindles, for spinning fiber (usually I use them for wool) into yarn, are a great way of dealing with CDs/DVDs you just can't bear to have around.

I did that with some piece of trash or other masquerading as a DVD that we were "gifted" with a month or so ago. I wish I could remember the name of that one, but I just can't. If I wasn't so lazy I'd go downstairs and look at my other spindle for the name, but...well...it just isn't worth it.

Having watched some of it online I did think the Nazi references were probably a step too far. And there didn't seem to be much else aside from the obvious arrogance that many of the scientists were dripping with. I could quite imagine them being extremely hostile to different ideas almost to the point of persecution. I've yet to see Dr. Myers' part.

On the bright side, a link on the sidebar leads you to a collection of Watchmen character posters. Get your smiley faces now.

I hope I win this :D I need something to stuff under this uneven chair leg!

I could quite imagine them being extremely hostile to different ideas almost to the point of persecution.

Your use of the word persecution is very liberal there... I guess when you have torture and murder in yoru religion's past you'd be more careful to use the word.

PR @ 57:

Having watched some of it online I did think the Nazi references were probably a step too far.

Really.

And there didn't seem to be much else aside from the obvious arrogance that many of the scientists were dripping with.

arrogance. Arrogance?

The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption.

This about a a movie showing both IDsts and scientists!
Bwahahahaha.

I retract my earlier support for axing you; you're too funny!

Since we're mentioning Expelled again, it's worth mentioning the appropriate subtitles at http://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=27.0 as well.

It is the right price for that movie though.

Well, that really lost its zing, in my last comment.
<blush>

PR

So you're saying the editors did a good job of character assassination in their portrayal of the real scientists? As far as you're concerned, anyways?

Lets see if we can get you to go read Expelled and report back on just how those 'expelled scientists' suffered for promoting their IDiot ideas.

You do want to understand both sides, don't you?

I'm in!!
I'll try to remember to enter again later.
I'd love to see this hateful piece of turd, but they certainly aren't getting any money from me.
I got a free copy of "The Code Of Life" at that NKU fiasco a couple weeks ago. Know your enemies kids.
They can send me all the junk mail they like too.
I already get it from the mormons and scientologists.
Pzed, if I win this thing, you absolutely have to sign it for me.

JohnnieCanuck, PR made it clear in the other thread: "But we must be vigilant about absorbing only that which affirms our prejudices [...]" (Hat tip: Fred Mounts)

To be on topic: I suspect a copy of Expelled autographed by PZ would not be a bad investment, over the medium to long term.

Peter Rooke: It seems mean-spirited and petty.

Since I was at least one of those who suggested it, I'll accept "petty". Mean-spirited, however, requires having a spirit, and all I have is a cheap bottle of wine.

Anyone who wants to track down my address to send me cheap Tequila to correct this lack, feel free.

Anyone who wants to track down my address to send me cheap Tequila to correct this lack, feel free.

Uggh, that really is a mean spirit.

Good tequila however...

Blu-Ray?! Oh my god, I think seeing Ben Stein rambling on in his underwear in hi-def would be too much for me

I want it! I have a current project for my room that involves breaking old (or new but disgusting) CDs and DVDs to make a light-catcher. Of course if I do win, I'll post the link to the pics here :D

The freebies are on Blu-Ray or whatever that's called and I don't have a player. That said, I'd only watch this movie if it was free as I've read sooo many bad reviews of it and seen enough snippets to know it's GODAWFUL!!! Maybe my evangelical sister will buy it and then I can watch it for free.

To Be honest I don't even know if I would waste the resources to use this even as a coaster! lol

Since we're mentioning Expelled again, it's worth mentioning the appropriate subtitles at http://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=27.0 as well.

And very useful there are too.

It is beyond me why anyone would want to pay for such D grade rubbish, the net is awash with copies.

Perhaps expelled will become a cult movie in the fashion of Ed Wood's "Plan 9 From Outer Space".

You can keep the movie - let me know about the dung drawing (we studied scats in lab this week and can always use some interesting samples! Of wildlife dung, that is).

It is beyond me why anyone would want to pay for such D grade rubbish, the net is awash with copies

Reefer Madness still sells

Reefer Madness still sells

I guess in fifty years there'll be Expelled parties where the kids laugh at the unbelievable situation that people could even consider ID as an option. And all us old folks will have to tell them that it's not a joke - unlike the ID proponents, who were.

Whether or not they'll be convinced that it was possible for people to believe in something as patently ludicrous as the god of the bible is something else entirely. Heck, it baffles me now that people can be so foolish and/or intellectually dishonest.

Oh, and if they make Expelled: The Musical with the 2058 equivalent of Kristen Bell then I'll certainly be watching it - and hoping the increased heartrate doesn't kill me...

Gary Bohn@52:
Would you believe that I think that I have actually seen that coprolite in real life? My husband is Saskatchewan born and bred and when I first met his parents I went out to Eastend and we saw the Scotty dig and the poo. It was still more or less in the rock in the lab in the visitor's center at that point but the size was still impressive. Yes, I'm that big of a paleontology geek, although I'm not really that into anything with bones.

I guess in fifty years there'll be Expelled parties where the kids laugh at the unbelievable situation that people could even consider ID as an option. And all us old folks will have to tell them that it's not a joke - unlike the ID proponents, who were.

I think I'll need to start smoking reefer in order to be able to sit through expelled. It's been on my download list for a while, but for some reason "Who's Nailin' Paylin" seemed like a far better choice of film.

Blu-Ray? BLU-RAY?! Of all the films that could have been released in hi-def and they chose this?!

Jeez, I'd love to know what the extras are on this DVD, but Amazon.com has nothing about that. Perhaps it has the full, uncut interviews with the pro-evolutionists? Bwahahahaha!!! Yeah, right!

Anyway, enter the contest. If you win, store the disc unopened until Ben Stein dies. Then sell it on eBay for a tidy sum.

J. D.

Christian retards still love the movie Expelled. From a guest column on a Michigan news website:

And believing in intelligent design puts me in company with many intelligent and respected intellectuals and scientists. The documentary "Expelled" offers an excellent expose on how academia radically suppresses even the slightest consideration of intelligent design offered by accomplished, non-Christian academics within their organizations. I recommend renting the DVD.

EXPELLED! will top $700 million in PROFIT and be the MOST IMPORTANT documentary of ALL TIME. You commie evolutionists will be beaten back into the dark corners and stomped like the cockroaches you are!

[Hahah! Just kidding!]

o_O

Ben Stein loves that movie, you know.

Ben Stein loves that movie, you know.

Off-topic. This is cute:

My mom told me that I shouldn't base my election analysis on "feelings" (I like him/her) or "beliefs" (I share his/her beliefs) but on logical arguments. She asked me to create my own rational explanations for my support of Obama. Here is one of my arguments:

McCain and Palin are not be qualified to be President / Vice President of the U.S. The President's job is to do good for the country and the world. To do good for the country, the President must make smart decisions on important situations.

Governor Palin believes the world is 6000 years old. This is absurd. This is not a rational belief. This is a mistake. Scientists, experiments and evidence have shown this to be completely false. Therefore, she is not rational. If she is not rational, she should not be allowed to be President or Vice President.

Please vote for Barack Obama.

And the kid got a thank you letter from Obama!

I used to use the free AOL CDs I got in the mail to scare birds and rabbits away from my garden. Hang it by a wire so it can dangle and turn in the wind, flashing reflected sunlight. Keeps critters away from my vegetables. I suppose this would work about as well.

hahaha
Expelled.

Until this movie came out, I had no idea Ben Stein was an idiot.

How does a wasp nest shaped like an image of Buddha sound to you?

http://www.startribune.com/local/34369289.html?elr=KArks:DCiUHc3E7_V_nD…

PZ, I just saw you in a Movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtVBbCV_FEg

But what if I don't want it? Do i have to try anyway? It Scares me!!! I DON"T WANT THEM TO HAVE MY ADDY!!!
eeerrrghghg...

Ben Stein in his own words when promoting the film: "Science leads to killing people""

So if anyone wins this DVD could they send it to me so I could(choose one):

Destroy it with:
a blender
a dremal
a honda prius
a microwave and then subsequent hook up to a high-voltage source
combustion by way of model rocket engines
a copy of the god delusion shot from a cannon
bombardment with ep tubes moving at a high velocity
combustion by way of flame-thrower
a welder
an anvil
focused sunlight
thermite
a laser cutter
liquid nitrogen
Hydrofluoric acid
high intensity sound
improper placement in a centrifuge
explosives
a rail gun bullet
a petawatt laser beam
orbital kinetic energy weapon AKA rods from god*
solar plasma*

Or convert it to:
a frisbee
a cutting board
a hovercraft
glitter
target practice
a record that plays "Weird Science" or music of your choice
a tesla turbine
a spectroscope
nanofibers
crude oil
vapor
a quark-gluon plasma*
pure energy(100% mass conversion to energy)*

options ranked from most feasible to least feasible. An asterisk denotes option is not feasible with current technology or would be exorbitantly expensive to accomplish, all other options could be reasonably accomplished.

It is no good to me, it's in that new fangled death ray format the young, hep cats keep talking about.

If it was betamax, I might be interested, because I'm not getting much use of my video recorder these days.

No, on second thoughts, even if it was on video, I still would not be interested.

(rubbing hands together in an evil fashion)

I am formulating a devious plan for the destruction of this DVD ;)

OR I may turn it into a new audience participate movie where my brother and I shout lines back at the TV and throw hot dogs at Ben Stein...

Everyone worried about "them" having your contact info - This is being given away by a web page about High Def Video, not by a wacko cult that believes that the world is only 6k years old.

Add me to those who are more interested in the dung contest! I have a lemon tree that could use it.

Pete the vile troll @57

I could quite imagine them being extremely hostile to different ideas almost to the point of persecution.

Troll, we have had quite enough of your vile imagination with your so called analogies.
Go away.

What perverted moral system do you [Pete Rooke] subscribe to? - H.H.

Catholicism.

And second place would get two copies!

Owl pellets?

I got some from The Random Bag of Fun for Agnostica a coupla years ago. Never got around to looking at it (nor hanging the periodic table bath curtain I got the years after).

I'd happily donate the pellets for a draw if someone wants to organise it.

OK! My Holy Right-Wing-Nut Republican Puppet entered the contest, cuz he really wants that Blue Ray Expelled DVD.

The my sane real self reported the producers to the EPA, because having 3 copies of Expelled together just HAS to violate all sorts of federal clean-air regulations.

Troll, we have had quite enough of your vile imagination

Get killfile.

Hey! Did no-one notice that they are also giving away the Firefly series set??!! I signed up for that one, too!!!!

To do away with the kind of discrimination this contest stands for (only US and Canadian citizens allowed? Bah!), I file my application and was successful in doing so! May the best Swede win!

It would be a nice addition to our departments collection of pseudo-scientific memorabilia. Our favorite film in that category so far? Grizzly Man :)

First prize is one copy; second is two.

ROTFL!!!

It is no good to me, it's in that new fangled death ray format the young, hep cats keep talking about.

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

How about a cake?

The little nylon foot came off the chair in my living room. I estimate that a DVD folded in half will be just the right height to restore the chair to balance, so please enter me in the contest.

I just entered!

My plan for the disc, should I win, will be to remove from the DVD case, place it in my microwave, set it for 4 seconds on high, and THEN use it as a coaster. I'm curious to see if blu-ray discs perform any differently in the microwave than music CD's.

If you've never done this before, it makes the disc look like it came from an archeological dig. If you decide to try this at home, you may hear your microwave to make a little "grunting" noise. Don't worry, it won't harm your oven. Plus you get to see a brief blue-green spark shower.

I saw that DVD on the rack, and the pull-quote (blurb, whatever, y'know, the 4-star thingy on the cover) was from... Ben Stein.

I assume it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek--I mean, somebody must've liked it--but it just comes across as pathetic.

Ben Stein has a poll at his website. Do you think Darwin's theories are outdated? Right now, it's yes at 75%, no at 21%, and 4% at maybe.

My question: Should this poll get crashed? (Cause it's probably fixed.)

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/

Qwerty, I would say ignore it. The wording "Darwin's theories" is the reason. Of course what Darwin wrote in his books is outdated. That was 150 years ago. Now if they indicated modern evolutionary theory, I would go the other way.

Qwerty,

This has already been seen. Check out ERVs blog and yes it is fixed.

>Anyone know of any drawings for a handful of dung?
I think it's called the Alaska senatorial recount.

Thank you, thank you.
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