Greatest Physicists Nominations!

Well, two of your top three are obvious: Newton and Einstein. Who's the third? Maxwell, Bohr, perhaps even Feynman? As for other additions to the top 10, I've rather fond of Faraday, as well as Planck. Rutherford of course. I daresay Cavendish's influence was notably less than it might otherwise have been, due to his peculiar anti-social habits, but even what he bothered to publish was important.

We're already up to nine. If I eliminate Leibniz as being more of a mathematician, maybe I'd give the last spot to Huygens. Oh, but what about Galileo? This is hard.

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Michael Faraday's gotta be in there somewhere. Marie Curie. J.J. Thomson. Sadie Carnot (laid foundations for thermodynamics). Planck. Heisenberg. Bohr. James Clerk Maxwell (he did a lot more than just Maxwell's Equations). Honestly, you think you can limit it to just 10??? :)

How about Dirac? Brilliant. Nutter. Fully qualified.

The bronze medal probably goes to an older one. Galileo is the obvious choice (for introducing geometry and physics to each other) but Archimedes would also fit. More recent physicists (as Feynman) are a bit too specialized.

Fermi.

Top 3: Newton, Einstein, Galileo

After that it gets a bit tricky. I'm going to base it on people who were mentioned in my undergraduate and graduate physics classes that developed theories or ideas that are still taught and used today.

In no particular order: Bohr, Noether, Planck, Maxwell, Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Helmholtz, Faraday, Gibbs, Dirac, Fermi, Feynman

It gets even harder when you get to more recent physicists. Increasing specialization and more collaborative efforts make it difficult to single out individuals that have made a large impact on the field as a whole.

Top three are the big boys: Galileo, Newton and Einstein. The remaining 7 are a little more tricky but I'm thinking... 4. Faraday (one of the greatest experimentalists of all time) 5. Rutherford (perhaps the founder of nuclear physics) 6. Planck 7. Bohr 8. Pauli ( If he's not on the list then, "It's not even wrong") 9. Feynman and finally 10. Fermi (considered the last true theoretical/experimental physicist, subjective of course.)

Maxwell really has to be one of the top 3. Galileo was just an astronomer... ;)

I would add Stephen Hawking to the above list of names....

I can almost guarantee that he will include Dirac. I know I would.

Yesterday's Nobel Prize is tomorrow's homework. The trick is to make a Top Ten list of the best future physicists. One could reasonably argue that the greatest contribution to modern science - its entire underpinning - is the ball point pen. Add the HP-35 and the CRC Handbook.

How would you like to be the poor bastard in the lab who compiled those tables?

I'm always disappointed by how overlooked G.I. Taylor is. A great scientist of classical mechanics, he did groundbreaking research primarily in fluid dynamics, but also in solid mechanics and the diffraction of light. He gets my nomination for one of the top 3 of the 20th century.

For a nice overview of Taylor's work, see this article.

"Galileo was just an astronomer'... Huh?

No, he was a fine physicist who, among other things, discovered the priciple of relativity.

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I agree that Newton, Galileo, and Einstein should be the top three.

After that, it gets much harder as there are many more than seven people who deserve to be in the tier below the big three. In no particular order: Archimedes, Faraday, Maxwell, Bohr, Planck, Feynman, Boltzmann, Fermi, Schrödinger, Bardeen (being the only winner of two Physics Nobels has to count for something), Rutherford, Dirac, Pauli, Kelvin. I'm probably overlooking a few here.

You've disqualified "pure mathematicians"; otherwise Euler as well as Gauss would be in the top 20.

How about Gibbs? Carnot?

In order of the degree to which (I think) their ideas changed our view of nature:
1) Newton
2) Einstein
3) Lagrange
4) Hamilton
5) Feynman
6) Maxwell
7) Rutherford
8) Bohr
9) Heisenberg
10)Schroedinger

It's hard to compare people of different times. Also, the study of physics tends to throw up theoreticians rather than experimentalists whose work is often fairly primitive by today's standards, and thus hardly mentioned. Great physicists don't necessarily have to change the world.

My list, for what it is worth: Newton, Einstein, Galileo, Archimedes, Faraday, Maxwell, Huygens, Landau, Bohr, Bardeen.

Honorable mention for Rutherford and Sommerfeld.

Sorry, I meant to preview but hit 'Post' instead. The explanation of my choices (#18 above) are as follows:

Numbers 1 and 2 need no justification. Numbers 3, 4, and 5 refer to the least-action principle. Number 5, Feynman, also serves as a proxy for the huge number of physicists that together created the basis for the standard model. I could have chosen others (E.g., Schwinger, Tomonaga, etc.), but to me Feynman's view of Q.E.D. is the most physical, and therefore makes a greater impact on the way we view the laws of nature.

After Maxwell, whose unifying view of electromagnetic phenomena is so fundamental as to be entirely taken for granted today, the choices are more difficult. I chose the final four for the composite view they offer of the fundamental nature of atomic-scale physics.

I don't like that I had to stop at 10 though, because there are a few more that really need to be included. I think Yang and Lee are probably more deserving of a spot than any two of the final four in my list, but I excluded them only because the scale of their contribution hasn't been appreciated by a large enough audience to really change the way most people think of the laws of nature... I'm not really sure I believe that though, so I could probably be persuaded easily that they deserve a place in the top 10.

Don't forget Tesla

also i think alain aspect deserves an honorable mention

Lise Meitner seems to always be forgotten. Otto Han got the Nobel prize even though she did all of the physics of it. I don't know enough yet to make a good list though.

I'm not raking according to raw intelligence, but mainly by the importance of their ideas and discoveries to the advancement of our understanding of the universe.

So it's result, including luck, over solid work? Otherwise I would certainly disqualify Einstein as his productive life was rather short.

Hmm. Then:

1 Newton.
2 Noether.
3 Boltzmann.
4 Heisenberg.
5 Einstein.
6 Lagrange.
7 Hamilton.
8 Maxwell.
9 Hilbert.
10 Galilei. (Mainly for his astronomy, as the rest is made superfluous.)

And since using given names seems popular in this thread, the list in that format:

1 Isaac.
2 Emmy.
3 Ludwig.
4 Werner.
5 Albert.
6 Giuseppe.
7 William.
8 James.
9 David.
10 Galileo.

I will defend both Noether and Hilbert as part time mathematical physicists, as they explicitly considered physics of symmetries and energies et cetera.

Btw, I see it as a toss up between Carnot and Boltzmann, but one or the other TD personages should be in there early on.

Incredible... the theme is "the importance of their ideas and discoveries to the advancement of our understanding of the universe", and nobody mentions Copernicus! Who moved the centre of the Universe away from the Earth?

Next Newton moved the centre to the Galaxy, and then Einstein showed that it just wasn't a meaningful concept.

Defining greatness is difficult, but certainly questioning Truths that are widely accepted in the society should count for something. In that sense Copernicus ranks quite high, even though he didn't live long enough to receive the society's punishment (and knew it). It was eventually aimed against Galileo, his follower.

BTW, philosophers also had big influence (e.g. Hegel and Mach), but I suppose they are as much out of the race as mathematicians.

Dunc wrote:

Maxwell really has to be one of the top 3. Galileo was just an astronomer... ;)

Never heard of the Discorsi the foundation stone of modern mathematical physics?

Lassi wrote:

Incredible... the theme is "the importance of their ideas and discoveries to the advancement of our understanding of the universe", and nobody mentions Copernicus!

Copernicus really was only an astronomer! He only wrote about the mathematical determination of planetary orbits and nothing about the physics of why they move!

Having said that, a man who should be in any top five is definitely Kepler the "first astro-phycisist", he was the very first scientist to offer a scientific explanation for the planetary orbits and the first to use the concept of force in the modern sense. Beyond that he discovered the first truely mathematical law of physics, the inverse square law of light propagation.

What is this "only an anstronomer" meme? If we are discussing about understanding the Universe, astronomy is the most relevant field, because it contains cosmology. Math may be the Queen of Sciences, but astronomy is the Grandmother. Most branches of physics have their roots in astronomy, and pretty much of applied math as well.

Besides, neither Copernicus nor Galileo were great as astronomers. They were great as thinkers. They broke glass ceilings.

On the small side, microcosmos has its own heroes (plus Einstein, who was there as well), but even quantum mechanics has connections to astronomy in the field of astrophysics. And neutron stars (remember Chandrasekhar?) aren't that small...

Anyway, the greatest physicist of all time was without doubt George Gamow. He was two metres tall.

Lassi you are running away with yourself. Matt specifically asked for a list of the ten greatest physicists not the ten greatest scientist/thinkers/effecters or change or anything else! In the modern meaning of the word Copernicus was not a physicist. In fact in the meaning of the word in his own time, roughly natural philosopher, he doesn't qualify as one either. Apart from some short very conventional texts on astrological medicine, he was a practicing doctor, which may or may not be from him and a text on political economy, the only "scientific" works that we have from Copernicus, three in number; are all works of mathematical astronomy. Contrary to what you wrote Copernicus was an excellent mathematical astronomer and the main value of his De revolutionibus was that it was the first major work of mathematical astronomy since Ptolemaeus' Syntaxis Mathematike but as it turned out not a great improvement being based on the same inaccurate data, cue Tycho Brahe! Galileo was also an excellent observational astronomer as can be seen from his Sidereus nuncius and unlike Copernicus very much a physicist in the modern sense of the word.

My top ten:

Newton, Galileo, Maxwell, Faraday, Fermi, Einstein, Bethe, Landau, Feynman, Gibbs

In my opinion, the characteristics of a great physicist include contributions to a wide range of problems. In this respect, I'd particularly like to make the case for Hans Bethe and Lev Landau, who made fundamental contributions to an astonishing variety of problems but never achieved the pop-icon status of Einstein or Feynman.

We physicist study five major areas during our bachelors (or should)

classical mechanics, electromagnetism, thermodynamics/statistical mechanics, quantum mechanics, and relativity (should know both, special and general).

These are the things a physicist should know, adding the math. Combinations of these lead to QFT and other areas, so it's basically down to this 5.

So, picking 2 guys from each it should be (no particular order and leaving the greeks aside who should get all the gold medals anyway... Archimedes was probably, together with Gauss and Newton, the smartest guy on the block..) including runner ups...

Classical Mechanics: Galileo-Newton (Lagrange and Hamilton)
Electromagnetism: Maxwell - Faraday (Helmoltz and Ampere)
Thermodynamics -StacMach: Carnot - Boltzmann (Gibbs and Kelvin)
Relativity: Poincare - Einstein (Lorentz and Minkowski)
Quantum Mechanics: Planck - Heisenberg (Bohr/Einstein and Schroedinger)

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@Thony C: read again the quote in my first comment (#25).

And you just proved that Copernicus and Galileo weren't that much in astronomy. They had many other things in their minds going on. In those days (and even today) all bright minds were involved also in astronomy. Even the Popes.

And you just proved that Copernicus and Galileo weren't that much in astronomy

????????!!!!! How?

Also in your original quote you perpetuate the myth of religious opposition to Copernicus and his theory. Sorry there wasn't any or at least any that can be taken seriously. Galileo's argument with the church was about who has the right to interpret the bible and was by and large a fairly local affair. The story that you still seem to believe is mostly a myth created in the 18th and 19th centuries and which despite the best efforts of the historians of science goes on being repeated ad nauseam!

Does anyone think Emmy Noether is a possible candidate? The centrality of the idea that anything, no matter what it is, that is conserved is due to a symmetry in Nature really fundamentally changed the way physics is understood.

I would understand the argument that she doesn't count due to being a pure mathematician (rather than someone like Gauss who was both a mathematician and an experimental physicist).

Emmy counts; the Einstein-Noether theorem is theoretical physics; the boundries are very fluid. Is Schwinger a physicist or a mathematician? His work is purely theoretical and purely mathematical.

Well, I'd certainly agree with Einstein, Newton, Hawking and Galileo.

As for others, Nikola Tesla deserves a mention. Perhaps Ludwig Boltzmann... Erwin Schrodinger... Paul Dirac... Arthur Eddington... Ernest Rutherford...

And what about Charles Darwin? Or William of Occam? Granted, Occam was a philosopher, but his principle has been used by scientists for hundreds of years. By all accounts, it's still a good rule of thumb!

Interesting topic. Difficult choices too!

Just to throw it out there: Nikola Tesla.

Obvious physicists are obvious. But seriously, don't miss Tesla.

If you cut Gauss for being a mathematician, that implies we're looking for people who's contribution was really only to the physics, not to the mathematics. So I'm cutting Newton and Dirac. My criterion is much more a of a "physicist's physicist," not someone who proclaimed one great theory, but someone who mucked about all over the place.

1. Galileo - one of the few men in history cranky enough to invent physics as we know it
2. Einstein - wandered widely while he wandered, then got paralyzed into working on "important" problems
3. Landau - the physicist's physicist par excellence
4. Gibbs - statistical mechanics as we know it, published from an obscure university by subscription
5. Fermi - the last combination calculating machine and lab rat
6. Feynman - the calculating machine
7. Taylor - some of the most lovely, broad ranging continuum mechanics in history
8. Faraday - the lab rat
9. Zel'dovich - what didn't he work on?
10. Wheeler - a source of beautiful, crazy ideas

Most entertaining.

I rather like the approach of #30, but question including Planck for what is basically a kludge (ditto for Bohr). I'd say Heisenberg and Dirac, particularly for Dirac's key proof that Heisenberg's QM reduces to classical mechanics if not for that equation for an electron. And I'd put Pauli with Schroedinger in parentheses. I'd also include Maxwell in brackets for thermodynamics.

But what if you looked at it from a unification perspective? Newton came up with a theory that unified terrestrial gravity with the actions in the cosmos while inventing classical mechanics as we know it today. Maxwell unified electricity and magnetism and invented a theory for light that is still used today. Weinberg and Salam (independently) unified weak and electromagnetic forces, inventing an entirely new class of particles along the way, yet NO ONE has mentioned them at all! A slightly weaker case can be made to include Feynman, for unifying models for light and the quantum electron, and Dirac for unifying the theories of quantum and classical mechanics for massive particles.

killinchy (#14): I was joking. Hence the smiley.

1) Newton
2) Einstein
3) Maxwell
4) Galileo
5) Heisenberg
6) Faraday
7) Boltzmann
8) Dirac
9) Pauli
10)Feynman

I would like to include Gauss, Hamilton, Laplace, Lagrange, or Fourier, but they were good enough at math to not feel too bad about not being on this list.

1-newton
2-einstein
3-maxwell
4-dirac
5-feynman
6-ed witten
7-heisenberg
8-poincare
9-faraday
10-w r hamilton

greatest mathematicians
1-newton
2-gauss
3-hamilton
4-poincare
5-riemann
6-clifford
7-euler
8-lagrange
9-s.donaldson
10-cauchy

Responding to #34: Is Schwinger a physicist or a mathematician?
His work is purely theoretical and purely mathematical.

Of course his work was theoretical and mathematical. Not only was
Schwinger one of the greatest theoretical physicists of the 20th
century, he was also one of the greatest phenomenologists of the 20th
century. His contributions to and influence on modern physics is astounding. I rank
him at or above Pauli and I place Feynman below them.

JEFFERY COllARY TO THE LAW OF NON CONTRADICTION.
OPPOSITE PARTICLES X AND Y CANNOT BE IN THE SAME PLACE AND THE SAME TIME AND THE SAME SPACE EXCEPT IN THE BIG BANG.
(WHERE EINSTEINS DETERMINISM APPLIES).........

This law goes down in history so I should be on the list.

Newton ,Einstein

The trick is to make a Top Ten list of the best future physicists. One could reasonably argue that the greatest contribution to modern science - its entire underpinning - is the ball point pen. Add the HP-35 and the CRC Handbook

Copernicus gerçekten sadece bir astronom oldu! O sadece gezegen yörüngelerinin matematiksel belirlenmesi ve hiçbir hareket ettiklerini neden fizik hakkında yazdı!

Sahip olduÄumuz beÅ yukarı gereken bir adam kesinlikle Kepler olduÄunu söyledi "ilk astro-phycisist", o gezegen yörüngelerinden için bilimsel bir açıklama sunan ilk bilim adamı ve kuvvet kavramını kullanmak için bir ilk oldu Modern anlamda. Bunun ötesinde o fizik ilk gerçek matematiksel kanunu, ıÅık yayılması ters kare yasasını da buldu.

1.Newton
2.Maxwell
3.Plank
4.Poincare
5.Lorentz
6.Bohr
7.Schrödinger
8.Heisenberg
9.Dirac
10. Hilbert