Poor Sally Kern. Shes going to get stoned AGAIN!

That is one of the most fucked up things I've ever heard. The thing that sucks the most is that this is the kind of thinking that is pervasive in the ultra-right wing groups, and a chunk of the Republican Party. It's talk like this that makes me worry about where this country is headed.

Sometimes listening the the context reveals that the statement was not so bad after all. Listen to the whole speech, which the article has video for, makes it far, far worse than given quotes which is saying a lot. The shear gall... [must stop before I say something rash or unkind].

Also: Her husband is either lying about evolution or possibly just repeating the lies of other creationists without any fact checking this week (April 27) in a letter to the Oklahoma Gazette.

The thing that sucks the most is that this is the kind of thinking that is pervasive in the ultra-right wing groups, and a chunk of the Republican Party.

Exactly. She's just saying what most Republicans already believe (is there a difference between ultra-right wing and Republican these days?)

I've heard much the same comments (minus the race slant) explaining why the poor in the UK are complete wastes of oxygen. It seems most prevelant in priviledged people who've noticed that poverty exists, but lack the compassion or intellectual rigour to actually examine the phenomenon in a way that might force their behaviour to change.

My SO is black and highly educated.

But try finding a job that takes advantage of his education and it just doesn't happen.

So discrimination based on skin color still exists in 2011.

Speaking of racism in Oklahoma:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/04/oklahoma-house-passe…

Where the hell is the mainstream media? A quick google search reveals a few blogs and huffpo are the only ones making mention of it. (Im okay with blogs, but huffpo might as well be wingnut daily)

In th emeantime where are the supposed real news organizations? ok we know that they have all descended on London to fill their anglophilia watching a couple of celebrities marry.

Repugnicans will of course say " oh her choice of words was unfortunate" all the while meaning, "Yeah the darkies are lazy feks waiting for a handout"

This kind of shit makes me want to scream, why the hell isnt the press screaming this from the mountaintops. Show these asshats for who they really are.

My SO is black and highly educated.

But try finding a job that takes advantage of his education and it just doesn't happen.

So discrimination based on skin color still exists in 2011.

Not to be insensitive, but your conclusion doesn't follow, without further information.

I agree that discrimination still occurs, but difficulty finding a job that uses your education alone isn't enough to suggest that it is at work. I know folks with graduate degrees that can't find jobs, and it's not their skin colour, it's the availability of that type of job.

I hope your SO finds the right job, though. Good luck.

Ultimate causes... proximate causes... confirmation bias...

*headdesk*

One thing the right wing never asks itself is what happens when you have both employment discrimination and a welfare system, like existed in the 1960. Especially when you then force unemployed/underemployed men to leave their families. They don't seem to think of the possibility that there might have been some sort of interaction.

There is just so much wrong in the comments here. Rnb, for example, who is oblivious to conservatives who blame the welfare state for the destruction of the African American nuclear family.

Regarding prejudice: how about taking an evening stroll on a summer night wearing a red sweatshirt in a neighborhood of my choosing? You will learn that my prejudice beats your utopian naivety.

In any event, it is difficult to have an honest and productive discussion about race if the rule is: only whitey or silver-spoon can be blamed.

Ah well. In closing, here's something for you: "Fifty percent drop out rate, Iâm telling you, and people in jail, and women having children by five, six different men. Under what excuse? I want somebody to love me. And as soon as you have it, you forget to parent. Grandmother, mother, and great grandmother in the same room, raising children, and the child knows nothing about love or respect of any one of the three of them. All this child knows is âgimme, gimme, gimme.â These people want to buy the friendship of a child, and the child couldnât care less. Those of us sitting out here who have gone on to some college or whatever weâve done, we still fear our parents. And these people are not parenting. Theyâre buying things for the kid -- $500 sneakers -- for what? They wonât buy or spend $250 on Hooked on Phonics."--Bill Cosby

I am not surprised that Wee Willy shows himself to be a racist, though he will likely deny it; it fits with his other many posts elsewhere. Anyone that defends Silly Sally places themselves in the same obnoxious category.

Shorter Willy Wally:

"Nuh-uh. You guys suck. Here's some examples I just made up."

Sally Kern is likable for one reason. Anybody that gets you people riled up is funny.

I am listening to her right now, and she is also laughable. Her husband should get her back home in the kitchen, for the sake of conservatism and for the sake of Oklahoma.

Oh my. Oklahoma. LOLLOLOLOOLLOOL. They elected this woman? Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Okay, I apologize for defending her. She is presenting some good points alongside her ridiculous nonsensical statements, and doesn't have the good sense to know she's doing more harm to the cause than good.

She might even be an ELCA member pretending to be a baptist, trying to harm the reputation of good God fearing conservative Americans by acting like a caricature. Sounds ridiculous, I know, but I have a knack for identifying moles and false flag operations, e.g., I correctly called "Beware the Believers" and "John Kwok" before any of you did. But in the case of Sally Kern, I can't tell, really, if she is an 85 IQ WorldNetDaily reader or MSNBC mole--I'll have to think about it more.

As for me being a racist, define it vhutchinson, and I'll let you know if I'm one. I'd rather talk about ideas than labels, though.

There's a simple reason why some people are poor, and it's not because of bad luck. Some people, of all races, depend on others to take care of them when they can damn well do for themselves. It's a willful dependency, a surrender to despair and a self oriented need.

Combine a government lead by those who think people can't be trusted to handle their own affairs, and people who think they need to be taken care of, and you get fools and the greedy rooting at the trough when they could be profiting by their own efforts.

Kern's mistake is in thinking that it's the other, when the problem lies with people of all races.

@ William Wallace

"Rnb, for example, who is oblivious to conservatives who blame the welfare state for the destruction of the African American nuclear family."

I am not oblivious to what conservatives say. I am saying they are wrong. The welfare system by itself is no more likely to destroy families than the umemployment system is, as long as one can eventually find a job that pays a survivable wage, and men are not forced to leave their families while they are looking for that job in order to mollify conservatives who are more willing to break up families than risk "be taken advantage of" by people out of work.

Given the viciously anti-intellectual and pro-random-violence attitudes I consistently observed in my peers, most prevalently (or at least most outspokenly, which might be the real issue) in male black students in particularly I can believe a large number of them aren't working hard in school - not because they expect the government to take care of them, but because they fear being labeled a "faggot," or worse, from their peer group.

(That may have been specific to the schools in my area, though - while they were so bad that the next step down would be kids in sheets and dunce caps burning giant wooden "C-"s on the lawns of "nerdy" families, apparently some people elsewhere have done well in school without being abused for it.)

Why don't some of you open minded non-judgmental utopians meet me at my youthful stomping grounds, say on the 16th of July at 9:00 p.m. or so.

Be sure to lock your laptop in your trunk...before you get there, and, also, back your data up. It might be a good idea to bring some coins for the bus in case something happens to your car. Stuff the emergency bus fare in your socks.

Let me give you some commentary about the area, as you look around my link. You can even see the google camera car had the good sense *not* to stop at this intersection (looks like he ran a red light to me).

Google camera car is racist.

If you pan off to the right, you will see a hard working guy with a trailer attached to his bicycle. It is full of copper wire he got from a house that was foreclosed on 2 blocks down, as well as aluminum cans he stole from a recycling bin. He's heading down to the sundry recycling businesses on Washington Avenue. The house where the copper wire came from, by the way, had to be torn down because a couple days later, hardworking entrepreneurial homeless people also cut the copper pipes out so they could buy some meth. The house was flooded, leading to mold problems.

Panning a little further right, you'll notice a certain type of street vendor and his hang-around-the-fort.

About 6 blocks south and south east of here used to be a beautiful neighborhood populated by Jewish people who were redlined Christians into the area. But then liberals in Minnesota built public housing too near, attracting undesirables from Gary Indiana and Chicago, and the Jewish families left their beautiful homes and synagogues in North Minneapolis for tract housing in St. Louis Park. Jewish flight, I kid you not.

If you've ever watched the film Gran Torino, you will know *exactly* what kind of neighborhood North Minneapolis used to have (yeah, the film is set in Detroit, but it was written by somebody from the Twin Cities).

Everybody was racist. The Jews didn't like the blacks. The blacks didn't like the Vietnamese. The Poles didn't like the Norwegians. The Norwegians didn't like the Swedes.

But, like in the film, you would find many people, even so-called racist people, would evaluate individuals based on their character, and not their color, when the situation allowed.
Now, however, it's turning into Detroit. A formerly great city ruined by liberals and their silly ideas.

Has she ever heard of George Washington Carver, Percy Julian, Neil Degrasse Tyson? But what can I say, I'm in Minnesota and we have Michele Bachmann who makes this woman look like a rocket scientist.

@WW

Sins of the fathers in Indiana, Michigan, et al being visited
on the sons in Minneapolis.

I grew up in the Michiana area (Indiana-Michigan border).
While there was some residual prejudice against Italians and Polish Americans in the 1960s it was nothing like that against blacks and Mexican Americans. Oftentimes my mother ended up having to wait until every white person in a store had been helped before the salespeople would help her.

I've got to wonder if the reason "being white" became looked down on in some circles was that it was observed to be futile.

Today the Oklahoma House of Representatives reprimanded Kern on a vote of 76-16. Kern gave a tearful apology on the House floor and even voted for the reprimand. I doubt if she has really learned her lesson, since her statements over time have shown that she reaqlly believes her own crap. At least she is term limited and we have to put up with her for only this term. Hopefully, she will not run for another office.

Correction: I should have double checed rather than taking somone else's word, but Kern is not term-limited until 2016. I guess we will have to put up with her for a lionger time - ugghhh!

Vhutchison, wow. Welcome to the new America. I wonder how long before these Cultural Revolution style Struggle sessions catch on?

I was watching the Baldwin Buckley Cambridge debate yesterday and it struck me how in the last fifty years we have become so much less competent at discussing the issue of race and racism.

The most disturbing thing about Kern isn't that she is a racist (typical) but that she remains so willfully ignorant of the depths of her ignorance that she feels comfortable making remarks about subjects so over her head that she couldn't touch them if you gave her a jet pack.

If any of the gods have any sense of humor, they'll make sure one of Sally's children gives her a healthy, bouncing, grandchild of color.

Regarding 18, above, this exact intersection was hit by a tornado on Sunday.

I hear a tornado hit OKC just now. Hope all is well.

Well, me and Arnie are chilling in the office, but theres a lot of damage around the city.