Michele Bachmann on Evolution and Science

How nice to hear a program where they don't air both sides when there is not an issue.

Why don't you know that the bible is the greatest science book ever written - bats are birds, insects have only four legs, the world is a flat rectangle held up by columns below the firmament, etc.

Rob Jase - "...bats are birds"

Rob, these myths were collected and written down in the early stone age. I'm going to guess that the Hebrew (Aramaic?) word that we see translated as "birds" means something like "flying things, not bugs". After all, we have categories like carnivores, pachyderms, monkeys, and the like which do not represent an evolutionary clade.

I also hear snarky quotes about "pi equals three". The actual verse says something about how much rope you need to wrap around a round pot. For folks whose math consisted of whole integers (e.g. counting cattle, or soldiers) and measured in spans and cubits, this is as accurate and correct as it gets.

There are plenty of assertions about the world that cannot be easily explained away by biblical literalists. The world as a flat rectangle held up by pillars, for example.

Yeah and man decended from monkeys, reptiles (dinosaurs) have feathers, and man is causing the earth's climate to change (clearly an anti-Biblical pagan teaching).

The only war on science is the war far left goons have been waging since before that racist Charles darwin introduced his plan to convert america into a secular society. Evolution had nothing to do with science. If you read Darwin;s own writings and how he viewed black people and God as well, you can see motive in his writings.

Darwin was a God hating racist that was mad at the world. He used his own failed theory of evolution in a pathetic attempt to discredit his own shortcomings with God and the Bible. He used "science" as a tool to wage war on religion, particulalry Christianity. Fortunately, not everyone beleieves his outdated racist idea of evolution. The whole idea that man descended from monkeys comes from Darwin's own views of black people comparing them to apes and secondary humans - the exact same rhetoric Hitler would use a few decades later to justify the slaughter of millions. There was little difference in how Darwin viewed some people and how Hitler viewed the same people. Darwin did it for "science" while Hitler did it for purification. The idea of a perfect race of humans was adapted directly from Darwin's own racist views and writings.

Like Darwin, Hitler later became a God hater even calling Christianity a religion for the weak. He would end up using sorcery, witchcraft, mediums, and all sorts of banned supernatural and satanic forces join with him, but it only ended in his death. Fortunately God used this trajedy to regather His people and relocate them back to their homeland that was given to them over 3000 years ago.

To this day, God hating darwinist types still hate the Jews and still use evolution and "science" to control other people. The whole global warming crap is nothing more than a control apparatus designed to limited population, control the masses, and redistribute wealth under disguise of science.

Don't lecture me about science. Real science is dead. All we have left are a bunch of arrogant left wing fascists who drool at the idea of world control and world government. Tesla, ws a real scientist. Unfortuantely the government killed him becuase he refused to do their dirty work. I still admire tesla, but would love to get a time machine and kick darwin's ass.

Pillar theory sounds alot better than string theory--who wants to believe the world is held together by strings??

yup,pi is three...

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*checks link*
Dammit, it looks like Not Poe. And on a side note, next character, remember that SAN is not a good dumpstat.

Thanks for cheering me up just a little bit.

I think most people in the UK (including most religious people) accept the basis of evolution and also climate warming, and look in horror at the anti-science attitude of the American right. I was therefore delighted that there is at least one program that could actually honestly discuss the nonsensical political statements put out by someone who is aiming at high office by pandering to ignorant anti-science extremists.

I was noted the Chinese comment about the lack of debate on evolution in China. Should the extreme right ever make it to the White House Americans may well find that many in Europe will find the scientific and technological approach of China more attractive than the anti-science fundamentalism on the other side of the Atlantic - especially with regards to issues such as climate warming.

"Tesla, ws a real scientist. Unfortuantely the government killed him becuase he refused to do their dirty work. I still admire tesla, but would love to get a time machine and kick darwin's ass."

Well Simple Science Man, it seems that you are actually quite ignorant about one of your supposed heroes. He supported many of the initiatives that you fundies accuse the dreaded "One Worlder Pagans" of forcing upon civilization.

For example, he was a vegetarian, a feminist, and a proponent of selective breeding (I also happen to fall under the first two categories but disavow the third): "The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct [....] A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal." (A Machine to End War)

Simple sci-man " wants a time machine"
So, could you pray for a thing like that or might you get it quicker if you consult a Scientist??
Try reading a little Carl Sagan, it will help....Really.

@ Joe

Be ye fuitful and Multiply.

Guess being a population control freak/baby killer really is satanic after all.

ONLY God can give rights, not man. Man usually tries to take them away. One of those rights is the freedom for ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN to marry and have children. If they ony want one child, then so be it. If thye 50 children, so be it. No other human on the face of this planet has the authority to regulate how many kids someone ca have or not have. Sure the communist overlords in China do it, but they still do not have the authority. They also murder baby girls. I suppose that's okay too?

Face it. No matter how hard the far left globalist fascists try, they will NEVER be abale to defeat God and the rights He alone has bestowed upon man. No goverment, dictator, warlord, fascist, communist, or other person will ever be able to eternally restrict freedom. Eventually Jesus will come back and throw the restrictive blasphemers into the fire while we rejoice and enjoy our freedom.

You have the freedom to be a vegetarian. I have no problem with that. I happen to like beef and chicken - alot. I eat some form of meat at every meal. You do not have the authority to restrict me from eating meat based upon your pagan worship of the earth and your pathetic worship of man made science. If for some reason you do indeed become a violent communist warlord and dictator and demand that I become vegetarian, you will probably be my next meal becuase such acts of aggression usually leads to war.

Come to think of it. I have never seen a war yet that a control freak/freedom hater did not start.

Oh, and your pathetic war on light bulbs has ended. Texas law just vowed incandescent light bulbs to still be leagal for normal people to use. So, as a states right, texas has vowed not to participate in your pagan worship of the earth and your dictatorial rants of how to save your God (the earth). So, when your illegal and unconstitution and fascist ban on light bulbs takes place, people will either drive to Texas and pick the up in person, or will call a store in texas and have them mailed. As for the rest of us, we do not need to do either. I ahve enough light bulbs in stock at my house to power the neighborhood for decades to come. So chump, better luck next time.

I know about van Jones and his sterilization fantasies. Let's put it this way. If some moron asshole like Jones were to put some drg in the water to sterilize a mass population, how long do you think your liberals would live after that? You might sterilize them with drugs, but they would sterilize you with a shotgun.

It's brazen attacks like Jones talks about that leads to civil war. If you wish to have another mass war, drugging entire populations is a real good way to start one. That is communist satanism at the highest level.

Oh well, we all know wins in the end. Go ahead with your satanic rituals and plots and schemes. maybe not today or tomorow or even in a millions years, but someday we will be ressurected abck to life again and be judged. Let's see how a good old fashioned eternal burning at the stake goes for your crime while those whom you committed crime against watches.

Paul/Bachmann for 2012! May evil be defeated worldwide.

You've missed my point entirely; I was only trying to see if your perception of Tesla would remain positive after I had notified you about a few facets of his belief system, many of which you would potentially find odious. There was no need for you to send that wall of text hurtling at me. I'll ask you directly this time; has your respect for Tesla persisted even though his world view encompassed a few things you find unsavory?

I'm surprised at how many assumptions you've made about me, especially when I consider how short my original comment was and how little I've actually told you about myself. This is the first time I've encountered someone who subscribes to your ideology, though, so I hope to learn more from this discussion.

Be ye fuitful and Multiply.

Guess being a population control freak/baby killer really is satanic after all.

"ONLY God can give rights, not man. Man usually tries to take them away. One of those rights is the freedom for ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN to marry and have children. If they ony want one child, then so be it. If thye 50 children, so be it. No other human on the face of this planet has the authority to regulate how many kids someone ca have or not have. Sure the communist overlords in China do it, but they still do not have the authority. They also murder baby girls. I suppose that's okay too?

Face it. No matter how hard the far left globalist fascists try, they will NEVER be abale to defeat God and the rights He alone has bestowed upon man. No goverment, dictator, warlord, fascist, communist, or other person will ever be able to eternally restrict freedom. Eventually Jesus will come back and throw the restrictive blasphemers into the fire while we rejoice and enjoy our freedom."

I've already told you that I don't support eugenics, so why did you feel the need to give me a lesson in post Enlightenment theology? There's quite a bit to unpack here, though.

First, if you're insinuating that Yahweh is against infanticide, you're directly contradicting your own scriptures: see Genesis 7:23, Numbers 5:11-21, Numbers 31:17, 2 Kings 15:16, Hosea 13:16, 1 Samuel 15:3, Psalms 135:8-9 & 136:10, Exodus 12:29, Leviticus 26:30 & 27:28-29, Jeremiah 19:7-9, Deuteronomy 7:12 & 3:3-7, Isaiah 13:15-18, Jeremiah 11:22-23, and Lamentations 2:20-22.

Second, if the "far left globalist fascists" that you keep invoking actually existed, you would still have to abide by their orders, at least according to the purported mandate of your god: see Romans 13: 1-7, 1 Peter 2:18 & 2:13-14, Titus 3:1, Colossians 3:22-23, Matthew 23:2-3, and Ecclesiastes 8:2. St. Paul himself demanded that you live in conformity with the status quo; after all, supposing that the being described in the Bible were real, your deity is the one who put them in power.

Third, your god, assuming that his metaphysical characteristics and personality are accurately described in the 'good book', is in no way concerned with freedom as we conceive it today. I considered eschewing Bible passages simply because it's so obvious to anyone with even a basic level of reading comprehension, but I've decided to include some if only for the sake of anyone who might be lurking.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given. (Luke 12:47-48)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. But these instructions apply only to distant towns, not to the towns of nations nearby. "As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you. This will keep the people of the land from teaching you their detestable customs in the worship of their gods, which would cause you to sin deeply against the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 20:10-18)

Don't try to weasel out of this by insisting that the Old Testament was superseded by the New; 2 Timothy 3:16, Luke 16:17, Matthew 5:18-19, Matthew 15:4-7, and John 7:19 suggest otherwise.

I'm going to have to leave it at that for the time being; I'll address the rest of your post tomorrow.

Note to anyone reading from the future: Back when I posted my comment, 5 was 4. How did that happen anyway?

But the current 4 is pretty insane too.

Alright Simple Science Man, I'm back.

"You have the freedom to be a vegetarian. I have no problem with that. I happen to like beef and chicken - alot. I eat some form of meat at every meal. You do not have the authority to restrict me from eating meat based upon your pagan worship of the earth and your pathetic worship of man made science. If for some reason you do indeed become a violent communist warlord and dictator and demand that I become vegetarian, you will probably be my next meal becuase such acts of aggression usually leads to war."

When did I ever say that I was a pagan or that I wanted to prohibit anyone, let alone our entire civilization, from eating meat? Stop jumping to conclusions.

If you have to know about my religious persuasion, I'm agnostic. While I may not worship the earth, I do have a great deal of respect for it, though many have said that my respect borders on reverence.

I have no qualms with meat eaters themselves, I only the scorn the means by which most people obtain their meat today. Factory farming is extremely wasteful and inefficient, and it's greatly reduced the nutritional quality of the meat that finds its way to the market. This is a highly complex issue that demands more space to be covered adequately than this thread can accommodate, so I'll leave it at that for now.

How on earth did you come to the conclusion that I was a communist, or that I was interested in becoming a war lord of any sort? I'm just as opposed to globalization as you are (if not to an even greater extent).

"Come to think of it. I have never seen a war yet that a control freak/freedom hater did not start."

This is just silly.

"Oh, and your pathetic war on light bulbs has ended. Texas law just vowed incandescent light bulbs to still be leagal for normal people to use. So, as a states right, texas has vowed not to participate in your pagan worship of the earth and your dictatorial rants of how to save your God (the earth). So, when your illegal and unconstitution and fascist ban on light bulbs takes place, people will either drive to Texas and pick the up in person, or will call a store in texas and have them mailed."

I didn't ban light bulbs, and I don't hold any sort of executive power, so what are you complaining about?

"As for the rest of us, we do not need to do either. I ahve enough light bulbs in stock at my house to power the neighborhood for decades to come. So chump, better luck next time." Good for you.

"I know about van Jones and his sterilization fantasies. Let's put it this way. If some moron asshole like Jones were to put some drg in the water to sterilize a mass population, how long do you think your liberals would live after that? You might sterilize them with drugs, but they would sterilize you with a shotgun."

Here's the thing, though; I'm not a liberal! I'm a fiscal AND ecological conservative. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive. Oh, and I don't own any liberals.

"It's brazen attacks like Jones talks about that leads to civil war. If you wish to have another mass war, drugging entire populations is a real good way to start one. That is communist satanism at the highest level."

Wars are counter productive, so I'm not interested in perpetuating them at all.

"Oh well, we all know wins in the end. Go ahead with your satanic rituals and plots and schemes. maybe not today or tomorow or even in a millions years, but someday we will be ressurected abck to life again and be judged. Let's see how a good old fashioned eternal burning at the stake goes for your crime while those whom you committed crime against watches."

The only conflict here is the one that YOU instigated. And besides, if I should happen to sincerely repent before my death and accept Christ as my savior (which is highly unlikely), it will all have been for naught :) Your threats still don't carry any weight.

I find this debate fascinating. Outside the United States this just isn't an issue, and the allegation by a Dem in that video that for republicans to reject Darwinian evolution is a sign of them moving right came as a shock.

The whole mapping of darwin/creationism to left wing/right wing is alien to me, having lived for decades in both Australia and the UK. I know fundamentalist Christians who are creationists, but have no idea of their politics and have no way of predicting what it would be. I know large numbers of conservatives and libertarians, not one of whom is a creationist. The US obsession on this matter, and the conflation of politics with origin theory is a puzzle.

Climate change, on the other hand, well, there is a left/right correlation here. And in the main, just as in the US, the more people familiarise themselves with the science, the more sceptical they become.

I find this debate fascinating. Outside the United States this just isn't an issue, and the allegation by a Dem in that video that for republicans to reject Darwinian evolution is a sign of them moving right came as a shock.

The whole mapping of darwin/creationism to left wing/right wing is alien to me, having lived for decades in both Australia and the UK. I know fundamentalist Christians who are creationists, but have no idea of their politics and have no way of predicting what it would be. I know large numbers of conservatives and libertarians, not one of whom is a creationist. The US obsession on this matter, and the conflation of politics with origin theory is a puzzle.

Climate change, on the other hand, well, there is a left/right correlation here. And in the main, just as in the US, the more people familiarise themselves with the science, the more sceptical they become.

"A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal."

I wonder is Tesla knew about women that correspond with prisoners, for thrills?

BBW, SSM: I note that you have comments turned off on your site (no way to log in or create an account). So I'll make my comment here:

If God is so butthurt about homosexuals being married in New York, what's he going to do about it, God-boy? Hmm? Where are the plagues? Where are the 80-foot letters of fire in the sky? Why does your big, scary, all-powerful superman need *you* to speak for him? Don't they get the internet in heaven? Technology too much for him? He just can't grok that man-made science that you are typing your screeds into?

You idiot.

there is no god.

it's as simple as that.