I love a good conspiracy theory...

@Orac

In any case, what purpose would killing a large proportion of all the high government officials in Poland serve if it weren't somehow known that their deaths were a direct punishment for having rejected the mind-control vaccine of our pharma overlords.

Why, to secretly replace them all with pharma shill minions, of course.

If the big pharma wanted to make this ridiculous conspiracy at all effective, they would need somehow to communicate the reason for the devastation to insure it never happened again.

That would make morons at AoA the real pharma shills as they are the ones making the conspiracy warning! I can only hope that the current Polish government is tuned into AoA lest worse disasters befall them in their unvaccinated future. !eleven!!11!1!!

@Todd W. SsshhhH!

Doesn't it seem odd that if the pharma overlords are powerful enough to force the government onto an airplane to then crash it, then why wouldn't they have just forced the government to give the vaccine in the first place? Logic seems beyond these people.

I wish anti-vaccine loons like this didn't exist. However, given that they do exist, I have to admit that I'm a bit thankful they're just so loony.

I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: "O Lord make my enemies ridiculous." And God granted it.
-Voltaire

Silly -- of course the sociopaths in the pharma industry by themselves could never pull anything like that off! However... when they combine forces with the diabolical-agenda people at the IMF and form "a group", you should expect the impossible!

Poland was the only country in Europe who rejected the H1N1 shot and the only country who refused to do business with the IMF

I believe we are dealing with a group of sociopaths with a diabolical agenda

@Clair

D'oh! Does this mean I can't come to the minion holiday party? I was so looking forward to karaoke.

"The reason the plain carrying"

?

Wow. That may actually be even more ridiculous than the Apollo moon hoax conspiracy theory. I reading too much into this, or are they implying that Eyjafjallajokul's eruption was part of the conspiracy, by distracting people from examining the plane crash too closely? Wow.

In any case, what purpose would killing a large proportion of all the high government officials in Poland serve if it weren't somehow known that their deaths were a direct punishment

(emph. mine)

Exactly. That's the big problem with all of these "so-and-so was bumped off because of X" conspiracies. It doesn't work if nobody knows that's why they were bumped off!

It reminds me of near the end of Dr. Strangelove: "Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you keep it a secret!" Facepalm.

If the big pharma wanted to make this ridiculous conspiracy at all effective, they would need somehow to communicate the reason for the devastation to insure it never happened again.

Which is one reason why real-world terrorist groups claim responsibility for their successful terrorist attacks. Otherwise people might jump to the erroneous conclusion that it was an accident, or the work of somebody exacting revenge on a particular person and accepting the deaths of the other victims as collateral damage, not an intentional attack meant to influence policy.

Or Big Pharma/IMF could have tried harder to get the Polish government to fall in line with their wishes. Such organizations have avenues of influence that are not available to your average terrorist group.

It doesn't have to be wildly known that big pharma eliminated the government. All you need is to be able to say:
"Remember those guys that were against vaccinations?"
"What guys that were against vaccinations?"
"Exactly"

More pharma conspiracy **: on yesterday's show, Gary Null tells his young female assistant how he has been a target of shadowy figures "since 1972" - he had a nutrition book at the printer's, though his original copy had said, "x *mcg* Selenium", he noticed when he read the newly printed books that they said, "x *mg* Selenium". That's an error! It's 1000 times too much! ( Sound familiar?) He had to correct the books by hand stamp! "Someone" interfered so that his information would harm people! And it was not the *only* time! Recently, a man, who had just retired, "came clean" because of his "conscious" (sic) and confessed that he was among those who were paid by "powerful people" to thwart his career *at every step*. Now "they" continue deriding his education and important work! Despite negative press and "quackbusters'" efforts, implemented by the "corporatists" and the "government", he will continue to "fight on" because he has to reveal the "Truth" to the "People".

** this is not my attempt to create really bad *noir* fiction but quite accurate reporting. However, I think I now need a Pepcid.

In any case, what purpose would killing a large proportion of all the high government officials in Poland serve if it weren't somehow known that their deaths were a direct punishment for having rejected the mind-control vaccine of our pharma overlords.

None. Which is why the pharma overlords have hired "Sarah," and (presumably) others like her, to spread the word.

Why hide the fact? If they did it, the vaccine companies should come out and say they did. Nobody would mess with them again.

It doesn't work if nobody knows that's why they were bumped off!

Perhaps those who need to know have been so informed. "Nice government you got here, Poland - it'd be a shame if something ... happened to it. If the pilots flying your head of state were to suddenly expire of 'influenza' during final approach, that could be a very messy business. Very complicated, lots of international ramifications, lots of pieces to pick up. Why take the risk?"

More on conspiracies: " Pharma researchers working on drug to erase your memories" ( Mike Adams, NaturalNews; 11/23/10). Mikey, showing his mind-boggling grasp of cognitive psychology and mental health issues, elucidates how this "chemical lobotomy" would be utilized by BigBrother** to stifle dissent in our rapidly-approaching "police state" and erase government-incriminating memories of soldiers in wartime.

** Big Pharma / BigBrother - perfect together!

@Denice Walter

** Big Pharma / BigBrother - perfect together!

Big Phather?

I think Orac is a Mitchell and Webb fan. Here's a good bit of British humor from the latest series of M&W in case you haven't seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoZ71sj3Kn0

There's also two more on aliens and the moon landing.

In any case, what purpose would killing a large proportion of all the high government officials in Poland serve if it weren't somehow known that their deaths were a direct punishment for having rejected the mind-control vaccine of our pharma overlords.

None, but the people who run that little cabal apparently aren't that clever, anyway - they have the power to eliminate whole governments at will, and the best application they can come up for it is forcing people to buy vaccines? Talk about Dr. Evil demanding ONE. MILLION. DOLLAR!!!Eleven!

@ Todd W.: Young man! Your impeccable reasoning and talent for *sub rosa* communiques indicate great promise in our organisation!

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

they have the power to eliminate whole governments at will, and the best application they can come up for it is forcing people to buy vaccines?

You are forgetting about them mind control chips in the vaccines.

Have I revialed too mua'skfdddoeuj'jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj

Big Pharma and Big Brother --

Two great conspiracies that conspire greatly together!!

Or something...

That's an error! It's 1000 times too much!

NO!!! It's a reverse homeopathetic delusion...er, dilution, silly!

Can Bonnie Offitt prove exactly where she was at the time of the Polish plane crash?

I thought not.

I had no idea those pharmaceutical companies were that powerful.

I believe that this conspiracy theory started among people who think that pharmaceutical companies are themselves merely minions of the New World Order (or Illuminati, or whoever), who will use vaccines as a delivery system for chemicals/pathogens which will sterilize people, or contribute to a catastrophic 80% die off of the human population, or whatever. And looking at the comment by Sarah, I'm betting she's one of those people, rather than someone who thinks that Big Pharma has the power to do something like that.

It's my understanding the "Polish plane crash" conspiracy theory was promoted (if not conceived) mainly by Jane Burgermeister. Burgermeister was AoA's source on the Poul Thorsen story, particularly the "vanished in March 2009" fantasy. Back in August, Ms. Burgermeister had a court-ordered mental competency hearing.

@27 - So that makes us minions of a shill of a minion. How humiliating.

MESSAGE BEGINS---------------------

Shills and Minions,

Alright, to employ the colorful (and inexplicable) syntax of your hatchlings, who "spilled the beams" about Agent Noone? This is an unacceptable breach of your oath to the Glaxxon Reptilian Corpus and, most dangerously, to me.

There were only seven agents, on Earth who knew her identity. We have scanned everyone here at Orbital (including Lady Astra as per Corpus Decree 7) and we found nothing. Now Lady Astra's freshly applied V'ckhehk buffing is scratched and ruined. She blames me for this. I will not hear an end to it. Perhaps that why two perfectly loyal monkeydrones, minding their own business down in research, tending to the vats were sent to "entertain" the hatchlings. Just because I'm in a Really. Bad. Mood.

Worst of all, I have had to "retire" Agent Noone, just as she was making headway against the rebels. Her infiltration of the Polish government was key to our breaking their resistance to our most eeeeevil plan for Total PharmDominion⢠of the monkeys.

Know this: you shall receive texts from Cindy in the next few hours with instructions on where to wait for pickup and enhanced interrogation. Expect a core dump or two over this mess my minions. The culprit will be flensed alive by St'ckaz beetles which he or she will probably beg for after the 72 hours of nonstop Celine Dion recordings he or she will have already endured.

Which reminds me, soon PharmaCom Orbital's Mid-Winter Madness in Las Vegas shall be upon us. I may be a vengeful, cold-blooded Vorhanna*ch at times, but I do have a heart. I promised you front row seats to Cher's 25th annual Final Farewell Tour, and front row seats you shall have. Well, at least those who survive the next 72 hours. Text Cindy if you are attending.

Remember well this Glaxxon proverb my minions: "Sh'vuur lech jheglaxxek aff monkey dree*vk ananank-k-k, s'viik ach vakka ven zooch seer v mokk draas" (An earnest reptile can lure a monkey with a banana, but bared death-fangs will keep him dancing to your tune)."

Enjoy your bananas . . .

--------------------MESSAGE ENDS

Lord Draconis Zeneca, VC, iH7L
PharmaCOM Orbital HQ
0010101101001

That makes Big Pharma a James Bond supervillain. Rather than using something as crude as a missile, instead they used

a) weather control, to fog in several hundred square miles of Russian territory; and

b) a mind control ray, convincing the Polish pilot to ignore the air traffic controllers who repeatedly told him to divert.

How can we possibly resist such a dastardly combination?

Didn't Poland used to be a country before H1N1 raged through their unprotected population in 2009/2010 decimating entire villages, towns and cities causing a diaspora that scattered the ashes of their broken culture across the four corners of the earth

In any case, what purpose would killing a large proportion of all the high government officials in Poland serve if it weren't somehow known that their deaths were a direct punishment for having rejected the mind-control vaccine of our pharma overlords.

But that's what makes them so "diabolical."

Like most conspiracy theories, it's also simply false in many of the details, even without rejecting the ridiculous conclusions drawn from them.

The plane did not contain Poland's "entire governing body" - the Prime Minister, for one, was not present, nor any of the cabinet ministers. Government continued essentially without interruption, apart from some mourning and planning for a quick election and shuffling around replacements.

Poland, likewise, "did business with" the IMF, establishing a $20.6 billion "precautionary" credit line in 2009.

Sarah starts here comment off by saying -

Interesting information Genny

and seems to be referring to http://preview.tinyurl.com/3aeavn8 , about two posts down from Sarah's post.

The story has to be read to be believed.

Russian activist disappears after exposing vaccination plans for Russia, Ukraine and Belarus

Alexander Goncharov, a Russian activist who has been exposing the globalists eugenics program and in particular a vaccination program set to begin in 2011 has disappeared after recently receiving a serious threat to his life.

From there, the story gets really crazy.

I have googled "Alexander Goncharov" and "Russian Benevolent Society", and as near as I can tell, there is no such organization (but plenty of people with that name). All of the Google web results seem to be to the same story, and Google News has no articles on Alexander Goncharov.

Sarah is at least mentioning an actual event, so she only receives 9/10 on the loony scale, where Ginny gets full marks.

Low grade stuff. There's no UFOs, Bigfoot, chemtrails, trooferism, birtherism, and most tellingly of all, it's missing the Loch Ness Monster. How can you have a decent conspiracy without Nessie?

Did anyone read the story AOA linked to? The girl got sick (seizures?)23 days after the Gardasil vaccine (although she supposedly complained of headaches and stomach upsets starting a week after the vaccine) and it apparently took several days to diagnose her-according to the story- doctors kept insisting she was faking it and it wasn't until a psychiatrist saw her (!) that it was determined she was actually ill. Sounds to me like they got so burned from the Desiree story that they made this one sound worse - and even less believable to me as a medical person. Somehow, I think the story has been manipulated; just doesn't sound accurate to me in so many ways.

MI Dawn,
The first clue to the veracity of the story is the source. That gets you 9/10ths of the way to 'lie'. The rest is in the details.

Oh wow, the lead story at SaneVax is now a girl who was admitted to hospital nearly 18 months after her 3rd shot! About three years ago I got an MMR booster and now I have a sinus infection. Coincidence?

Here is another conspiracy: How a death sect hires 20 world famous screen actors AND NO ONE IN THE USA does anything against it.

Geena Davis supports death sect / Open Letter to the Screen Actors Guild
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Quote from http://www.deathsect.com :

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8.
The Fraud of the Metamediciners
Mega-Scandal in the American Film-Industry

Material about the meta-mediciners you can find here:
Die Metamediziner:
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~kanzlerzwo/board.php?boardid=211

The meta-mediciners gain a foothold in Great Britain, Germany, Norway, and the
USA, where they defrauded at least 2 dozen screen actors. The meta-mediciners
made the actors believe that the meta-mediciners are engaged in breastcancer
research. The screen actors, among them celebrities like Geena Davis and Ben
Kingsley, are abused with their names and photographs taken for the PR of the
meta-mediciners.

PICTURE: Screenshot of the web-site healbreastcancerawards.org,
with fotographs of 20 film und TV actors

I informed the American Screen Actors Guild, also some spokespersons of the
actors. If they will realize the goings-on ... is another question... One more
if they will admit to have brought their clients, the actors, into this
situation. Because it is not the actors themselves, but their agents and
spokespersones, who are responsible for these things.

Open Letter to the Screen Actors Guild
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Screen Actors Guild
Hollywood
5757 Wilshire Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90036-3600
Tel: 001-(323) 954-160-0 Main Switchboard
-6729 Agency Department
http://www.sag.org
Screen Actors Guild

Bremerhaven, Germany, March 9th., 2007

Dear Sirs,

I ask you to please help me in a very serious and sad matter: a case of
fraud in which world famous film actors are victims.

In the web-page

http://www.healbreastcancer.org/awards_overview.php

you can see some of the victims:

OUR BENEFIT COMMITTEE

Geena Davis
Ben Stiller
Rosie O'Donnell
Ben Kingsley
Alfre Woodard
Tommy Lee Jones
Paula Abdul
Harold Perrineau
Allison Janney
Lourdes Benedicto
Antonio Sabbato jr.
Kathy Griffin
Mario Lopez
Lisa Vidall
Terri Polo
Laura Innes
Jon Seda
Tyler Hilton
Kendall Payne
Andy Dick

The actors are abused for PR. They were made believe that they do something
good: that they are helping to fight cancer. But the truth is that an
international group of criminals is abusing them as public PR tools. The
group deals with "meta-medicine". (There are several versions of this word.)
You can see it at the bottom of that very web-page:

http://www.healbreastcancer.org/awards_overview.php

Copyright © 2006 Heal Breast Cancer Foundation
News Privacy Policy Disclaimer Contact Us META-Medicine
*************

The background behind "meta-medicine" is the "Germanische Neue Medicine"
("New German Medicine") of the criminal psychopath Ryke Geerd Hamer.

Ryke Geerd Hamer was a medical doctor, who lost his approbation in 1986 as
his patients died because of his murderous nonsense "treatment". There are
media articles about him since the beginning of the 1980ies.

This is his biography, written by one of us: http://hamer.wordpress.com/

For some years now I investigate and publish about Hamer and his death sect.
Hamer has a network of helpers, many of whom being ill with cancer
themselves. They believe him --- and they die. So far I could find 130 death
cases related with Ryke Geerd Hamer and his scene.

As the Hamer scene denied that even ONE person died because of Hamer's
madness, I tried to find the victims and made a list:

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ham2.htm

I had found 87 dead, when some weeks ago I was given material about 43 more
dead: patients who died in the time about 1982, 1983.

There are 2 large groups of dead, the one mentioned with 43 patients and one
with 50 in Austria, mainly in the time from 1990 to 1995, when Hamer's
"center" in Burgau was closed by the justice and he fled to Spain (where he
still is). The material of that time in Austria is with the Austrian
Ministry of the Interior in Vienna. (The attorney office department(s) in
Vienna refuse any comments, but forward to the Ministry of the Interior.)

I have more than 2 dozen web-pages about Hamer in my web-site, the most
important being the obituaries for Michaela Jakubczyk-Eckert (who died in
november 2005) and for Christina Connell. I do very intensive
investigations, so I have no time for translating the pages - nearly all are
in German. The obituary for Christina Connell is in English:

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amachris.htm

Mrs. Connell was a musician and lived in Carthage, Missouri. She died in
march 2006, a victim of

Ilsedora Laker,
c/o Herbs and Health Holistic Centre,
6022 Yonge St.,
Toronto, ON M2M 3V9
Canada

Ilsedora Laker
3 Willer Ave.
Ajax ON L1T 3P4
Canada
Phone: 905-427 2790

which are a base in the USA and in Canada with http://www.newmedicine.ca

I am in contact with Mrs. Connell's son Stephen and her husband Dennis. I am
also in contact with families of other victims in Belgium, Switzerland, and
Germany.

The fotographs in the obituary for Michaela

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amamiche.htm

(that is the English version) show much more than words ever could what a
cruel crime is done to the ill. Now, imagine that these patients are
forbidden to take medication against pain... Hamer makes them believe that
Morphium would kill them rightaway...

Hamer makes the ill believe that their dieing is their healing. The worse
the situation is, the worse the pain becomes, the more the ill believe that
they are near to health. And so they die.

The families are under such a pressure that they break. For years these
people are not able to talk about what happened - even with families of
other victims.

And now look at the "Gala" with the world famous film actors being abused
for this crime....

I have contacts with journalists in TV and in print media.

This is one of the reports about deaths caused by Hamer, boardcasted by the
SWR in 2002:

http://www.swr.de/report/archiv/sendungen/021118/04/index.html

A report by the RBB in 2005:

http://www.rbb-online.de/_/kontraste/beitrag_jsp/key=rbb_beitrag_3362...

Some weeks ago there was one by the "defakto" TV magazine of the Hessischer
Rundfunk.

There also is an expert statement by the Deutsche Krebsgesellschaft:

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ha47.htm

We collected a lot of material during the last years - and I can give you
material and contacts to the media here and in Austria. In France is an
association against sects, the UNADFI:

http://www.unadfi.org

France is the most active country: Hamer was sentenced to prison for 3 years
(by far not enough!) and was kept in prison for half of that time. The
UNADFI played an important role in those law-suits.

To ease your investigations I uploaded 2 archives:

http://www.ariplex.com/agb/metamed1.zip
http://www.ariplex.com/agb/metamed2.zip

They contain

a) material about the sites as they are now
b) material from the web-archive to show earlier pieces of proof

The best to do is to download the files, each in a directory on HDD, unpack
it there and the do a full-text search, mainly because of entries in the
meta-tags. In case you need help, please let me know.

Please pass on this information to the actors and their agents. I suggest to
have advice of lawyers. The dimension of what happened and still happens is
beyond imagination... We must take action so that such a thing will not
happen again.
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The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

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Complain with Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=318&post=827&uid=11451798524730…

Complain with The Geena Davis Institute on Gender in Media:
http://www.thegeenadavisinstitute.org/about_us.php

As someone who is still not Bonnie Offit, I would like to say that I approve of anything that can help reduce the number of cervical cancer cases per year.

@maydijo: No, it's obviously not. In fact, not that I think about it, Gardasil is obviously responsible for my daughter injuring her knee while snowboarding 3 months after she got her final shot. Why didn't I realize that before? Guess I need to go report on VAERS that Gardasil causes knee injuries!

Gardasil is obviously responsible for my daughter injuring her knee while snowboarding 3 months after she got her final shot.

Well, Gardisil leads to a promiscuous decadent hedonistic lifestyle. Snowboarding is a hedonistic decadent activity and is often done when people should be in church. Therefore Gardisil leads to snowboarding. QED

I always suspected that Stalin was a Big Pharma stooge.

Trotsky must have been exiled for speaking The Truth About Vaccines, then.

Sarah's comments there really made my blood boil so I posted there, we will see if my comments actually make it up.

She was speaking of the Katyn massacre, something that is only now being spoken of freely and with much information just being made available after many years of enforced silence. For too long the victims of Katyn could not even be properly acknowledged. The last thing that is needed now is a stupid conspiracy monger stepping into the mix.

All I can say about Sarah is "stupid, stupid rat creature".

"Google News has no articles on Alexander Goncharov." Well, of course not, Johnny. The Pharma conspiracy disappeared him and *all evidence of his existence* except the rapidly fading memories of his friends and family. Soon Genny's article will disappear, and then Johnny's comment and this one, and it will be as if Alexander Goncharov had never existed.

Chilling, isn't it?

"Stupid, stupid rat creature". I am so stealing that.

Natalie J, have you ever been to the Exchange Place PATH station in Jersey City, NJ? There's a monument to the victims at Katyn, a soldier stabbed in the back by a bayonet. Very dramatic and very disturbing. The massacre is not entirely forgotten.

@47

"Stupid, stupid rat creature" is not me, it is Jeff Smith and a quote from Bone. http://www.boneville.com/ Although the rat creatures there are a bit more sympathetic than our anti-vax loons, there is some similarity.

I have not seen that Katyn memorial. There are many in the US. This was probably one of the few places where people were allowed to put up memorials. In the UK they had difficulty in putting up memorials because of the government and the delicate situation with the Soviets and the Polish Government in exile (which was located in the UK). In Poland there was all silence until the fall of communism in Poland. The Katyn Massacre and the Cursed Soldiers are finally being addressed now in Poland.

The problem with this theory is the fact that it's not true that 'the entire governing body' was on board of this plane. The plane carried the president, who was in favor of the flu shot, while the PM and the entire governing body (who were responsible for the decision not to pay for the H1N1 shot) stayed home as the PM visited the place three days before. In Poland, the president is just head of state, a ceremonial function.
So someone got evidently confused. It just can't be a coincidence! ROTFL