I've been following Mike Adams a long time, going back to 2007 and even before. It's difficult to find anyone who can pack more pseudoscience, conspiracy mongering, and outright hateful bile into an article when he has a mind to do so. I've documented this tendency many times, so many times that, each time I write about one of his rants, I tell myself it'll be the last time. But it never is, because Adams is so vile and I cannot abide the way he spits on the grave of people who died of cancer, people like Tony Snow, Patrick Swayze, Elizabeth Edwards, and Farrah Fawcett. Every time, his MO is the same. He claims that it wasn't the cancer that killed, but rather the chemotherapy, to which he often adds a faux-plaintive, regretful, "If only [insert name of dead celebrity] had used 'natural treatments' she would still be alive today." Whenever he can, Adams likes to find a photo of the celebrity who died taken not long before death, when inevitably that celebrity, ravaged by cancer, appears shockingly emaciated (as Patrick Swayze did) and use for shock value to blame the celebrity's condition on the chemotherapy, rather than the real cause, the cancer. If I were equally despicable, I'd plaster a picture of Robin Gibb just before he died up on this post. Gibbs, as you might recall, used naturopathy to battle his cancer and died anyway. Before the end, he looked almost as bad as Patrick Swayze did. Unfortunately, that's what advanced stage cancer looks like.
Be that as it may, I haven't written about one of these trademark screeds by Mike Adams in a while, and I wouldn't have even written about this one were it not for the fact that Adams adds a new twist to his usual narrative. This time around, I'm referring to the recent death of Joseph "Beau" Biden, Vice President Joseph Biden's son, who unfortunately died of a brain tumor at the very much too young age of 46:
In 2010, the younger Mr. Biden, known as Beau, had suffered what officials described as a mild stroke. Three years later, he was admitted to the University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston after what White House officials described at the time as “an episode of disorientation and weakness.”
Officials said in 2013 that the doctors in Texas had removed a small lesion from his brain.
Beau Biden, 46, a former Delaware attorney general, was found to have brain cancer in August 2013. He underwent surgery at MD Anderson Cancer Center at the University of Texas in Houston, to remove a lesion. That was followed by radiation treatment and chemotherapy, and his doctor gave him a clean bill of health in November, officials said.
He suffered a recurrence of illness this spring and was admitted to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in May, officials said.
Although the family hasn't announced exactly what kind of cancer Beau Biden had, the most likely candidate, based on his age and the clinical course of the cancer, is glioblastoma. Of course, we've discussed glioblastoma on this blog far too many times, usually in the context of discussing "cancer cure" testimonials of patients of Stanislaw Burzynski. It's a nasty tumor that is very hard to remove completely with surgery, which is why it has a deadly propensity to recur after apparently successful treatment. Reading between the lines of the stories above, it sounds as though he was fotunate enough to have had his tumor detected when it was still small, so that it could be removed with surgery. As is often the case with glioblastoma (which is what, for purposes of discussion, I am assuming that Beau Biden likely had), it recurred within two years. Of course, it could be that Biden didn't have a glioblastoma, but, whatever type of brain cancer he had, it killed him within two years of diagnosis.
Yes, glioblastomas (and other forms of brain cancer) are nasty tumors. They're one of the kinds of tumors that, admittedly, medical science doesn't do that well with. Despite our best efforts, they usually eventually kill the patient, sometimes quickly, sometimes not-so-quickly, with few long term survivors. None of this stops Mike Adams from proclaiming that Joe Biden's son Beau was killed by chemotherapy and glyphosate. Yes, in addition to his usual schtick about how it was chemotherapy, rather than the cancer, that killed a cancer patient like Beau Biden, somehow, some way Adams managed to bring genetically modified organisms (GMOs) into his rant and blame Biden's death on a combination of the two. After affecting a faux sympathy for Beau Biden, Joseph Biden, and the rest of the Biden family, even going so far as to offer them transparently insincere "condolences," Adams then gets to his real topic:
Frustratingly, I believe that Beau Biden, like hundreds of thousands of other Americans each year, was killed by a combination of chemotherapy, radiation and glyphosate. "He was diagnosed with brain cancer in August 2013 and underwent surgery, radiation and chemotherapy," reports Reuters. "After getting a 'a clean bill of health' in November of that year, his cancer recurred in the spring of 2015, the vice president's office said."
In other words, after being diagnosed with brain cancer, Beau underwent toxic chemotherapy -- a treatment that causes permanent brain damage known as "chemo brain" -- while enduring radiation treatment on top of that chemo. Oncologists who prescribe chemotherapy drugs earn massive profits from those drugs, all while failing to disclose their own conflicts of interest to their patients.
Unfortunately, chemotherapy kills far more people than it saves because its primary side effect is recurring cancer. Yes, chemotherapy causes cancer. And the ignorant oncologists who prescribe it actively encourage patients to avoid protecting their healthy cells with nutritional therapies such as medicinal mushrooms, anti-cancer foods and healthy oils such as cod liver oil. In fact, oncology as practiced today is a barbaric medical practice that quite literally kills people by the hundreds of thousands each year.
This is depressingly of a piece with the very first Mike Adams "masterpiece" that I deconstructed way back in 2007. it's the same sort of lies that Adams has been spreading for years and years. Contrary to what Adams claims, chemotherapy does work. True, it works better against some cancers than others. In the case of glioblastoma, for instance, the effect on survival is modest at best. In someone young and healthy, like Beau Biden, it's a reasonable option, particularly for resectable glioma. No one denies that chemotherapy can cause problems, in particular drugs used to treat brain cancers like temozolomide. These are known side effects, and many people who undergo chemotherapy and radiation therapy to the brain will suffer cognitive impairment as a result. However, those potential adverse effects have to be weighed against the benefit of maximizing one's chance of survival against cancer.
So far, this is just a standard-issue Mike Adams. Predictably, it's followed by "disappointment" that "there's no mention of him receiving the benefit of any healing protocols that might boost immune function and fight cancer, such as vitamin D and vitamin C therapies, anti-cancer juicing protocols like Gerson Therapy, or even insulin-potentiated micro-dosing of chemotherapy agents that target cancer cells while mostly avoiding healthy ones." In other words, there are no stories about Beau Biden pursuing cancer quackery, which is as it should be; that is, unless you're Mike Adams. Of course, if Beau Biden had pursued those therapies, unfortunately he'd be just as dead, and that wouldn't do for Adams' propaganda. It's better for Adams that Biden stuck to conventional treatments, so that he can falsely claim it was the chemotherapy that caused Biden's tumor to come roaring back after a year and a half, which is, unfortunately well within the usual time frame when brain tumors recur if they're going to recur.
Now here's the twist. Adams starts speculating about what caused Biden's brain tumor. Not surprisingly, he rapidly zeroes in on another one of his bogeymen, glyphosphate:
The other great crime of the for-profit cancer industry as practiced in Western medicine today is the utter unwillingness to honestly assess the environmental causes of cancer in the first place.
It's an incredibly important question: What sort of environmental causes could lead to fatal brain cancer in an otherwise healthy 46-year-old man?
I believe a significant part of that answer is glyphosate, the cancer-causing herbicide chemical used alongside GMOs in corporate agriculture.
As even Scientific American has now acknowledged, glyphosate has been linked to cancer by the World Health Organization.
The announcement, published in The Lancet, establishes the likelihood of a causal link between glyphosate exposure and cancer. This paper is based on "...17 experts from 11 countries [who] met at the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC; Lyon, France) to assess the carcinogenicity of the organophosphate pesticides tetrachlorvinphos, parathion, malathion, diazinon, and glyphosate." You can read about it in more detail at this link at GMOevidence.com.
I've discussed the problems with the WHO classification of whether something is or is not a carcinogen before, particularly in the context of cell phone radiation, which was classified as 2B, possibly carcinogenic, even though the evidence used to come up with that was incredibly weak. In this case, apparently WHO classified glyphosate as 2A, probably carcinogenic. The Scientific American article linked to doesn't really describe any good justification for this decision:
The IARC review notes that there is limited evidence for a link to cancer in humans. Although several studies have shown that people who work with the herbicide seem to be at increased risk of a cancer type called non-Hodgkin lymphoma, the report notes that a separate huge US study, the Agricultural Health Study, found no link to non-Hodgkin lymphomas. That study followed thousands of farmers and looked at whether they had increased risk of cancer.
But other evidence, including from animal studies, led the IARC to its ‘probably carcinogenic’ classification. Glyphosate has been linked to tumours in mice and rats — and there is also what the IARC classifies as ‘mechanistic evidence’, such as DNA damage to human cells from exposure to glyphosate.
And that, in a nutshell, is the big problem with the WHO's classification scheme to rate the carcinogenicity of compounds and conflicts with a recent systematic review of the question, which found "no consistent pattern of positive associations indicating a causal relationship between total cancer (in adults or children) or any site-specific cancer and exposure to glyphosate" and the German Risk Agency report, which concludes that existing data (the same data used by the IARC) "do not show carcinogenic or mutagenic properties of glyphosate nor that glyphosate is toxic to fertility, reproduction or embryonal/fetal development in laboratory animals." So is glyphosate carcinogenic or not? If it is, the evidence sure isn't very strong, even the evidence used in the IARC review published in The Lancet Oncology, relying as it does on animal experiments and finding basically no convincing evidence in humans. Basically, the WHO is way, way conservative, taking the precautionary principle to ridiculous heights in the way the IARC assesses carcinogenicity. As my good bud Skeptical Raptor reminds us, formaldehyde is listed as a Group 1 carcinogen (definitely carcinogenic to humans), and it's everywhere, including fruit like apples. However, at the levels normally encountered in food (and vaccines) it's harmless.
Of course, even if glyphosate were carcinogenic (which it appears not to be, at least not at a clinically significant level), there would be no way of knowing that it caused Beau Biden's brain cancer. Even Mike Adams ends up having to equivocate and admit that. Unfortunately, he does so in the context of a particularly vicious attack on the grieving Joe Biden:
We can't know for sure whether glyphosate gave Beau Biden brain cancer, but we do know for a fact that Joe Biden is another pro-Monsanto sellout of the Democratic party who supports the mass poisoning of America with cancer-causing chemicals as long as people like himself are kept in positions of political power. It's a harsh statement, yes, but it's also true: these are the people who enable the corporate poisoners whose toxic chemicals cause widespread cancer, suffering and death. They even sacrifice the safety of their own sons and daughters in exchange for a few million dollars of financial support during their campaigns. They seemingly value nothing other than money and power, and as a result they condemn us all to the mass poisoning of the for-profit cancer industry and the criminally-run corporate agriculture giants.
Stay classy, Mike. Stay classy.
Yes, there's nothing like accusing the grieving father who just lost his son of having helped cause that cancer. Even if the claim is utterly unsupported BS, it's still hurtful and shameful. Near the end of his little rant, Adams bolds a message of, "Shame on all you politicians in Washington," when it is Adams who should be ashamed.
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Was the mild stroke in 2010 caused by the brain cancer that was diagnosed three years later? Doctors dropped the ball?
Any thoughts on Novocure's Optune treatment of glioblastoma with alternating electric fields?
I doubt mike adams has any shame, making such an attack on someone who has recently passed and blaming the family for the passing. But then again, you see this with quacks, blaming the victim instead of looking at themselves.
Ah. Claims of Immanent Justice. "Who lives by the sword dies by the sword", or something like this.
Always an easy appeal for the self-righteous.
And exactly the sort of things decent people say at the deceased's wake.
Frustratingly, I believe
Yes, it is frustrating that he believes (or claims to).
Who does Adams blame for brain tumors which occurred prior to glyphosate? Although I hear glyphosphate caused Gershwin's brain tumor too.
Just what can be expected from Mike Adams. If someone gets ill or dies it has to be due to them not living their life in the right way. It is borrowed from some dogmatic religious ideas where the 'guru' is always right and his followers need to stay in line.
It just goes to show the sort of person Mike Adams is, as if that was needed.
"It’s an incredibly important question: What sort of environmental causes could lead to fatal brain cancer in an otherwise healthy 46-year-old man?"
Why does there need to be an environmental cause? Why not a genetic disposition? Of course, that would undermine all of the quacks who insist that you can control your destiny just by eating and thinking correctly.
The first thing I would do with a patient with an early onset cancer is take a family history.
Adams either doesn't understand or intentionally ignores that "cancer" is not a single disease, but an umbrella term for a bunch of different diseases. So even if glyphosphate did cause non-Hodgkins lymphoma (the evidence of this is, as Orac notes, ambiguous), that would not imply that it causes brain tumors. This, of course, is one of the reasons cancer research is as difficult as it is.
I suspect the latter, ,because somebody as active in alt-med as Mike Adams is should understand the point, but I can't prove it.
Another thing bugs me : the IARC studied people who worked with glysophate, chronic high exposure.
Why generalize it to people who are exposed to trace amounts via food ?
It reminds me of formaldehyde, far more dangerous for people who work with it day to day.
Did Mike Adams ever take on the case of Sam Dyer, the oncologist's son in Great Britain who decided against mainstream therapy for an inoperable brain tumor, and instead turned to prayer, the Budwig diet and cannabis oil (there are numerous pro-pot websites that talk about him curing his tumor with cannabis)?
The unfortunate outcome of his case doesn't seem to have been as prominently covered by the pro-cannabis crowd.
Max @1 --
I went to Novocure's website; there's a a lot of nice professional web design, but as far as I could tell the only explanation of how this is supposed to work was the following:
This strikes me as highly implausible -- though not entirely impossible -- and I didn't see any links to studies showing that this works even in a laboratory setting, let alone in patients.
So my guess is that any benefits are illusory. It's likely that the people running this outfit think it works, but I'd be surprised if it actually does.
There are hundreds of known carcinogens and probably hundreds more unknown. Some we can avoid like asbestos or tobacco smoke but lots of times we can’t. No one,not even Supermike, can avoid them all, solar radiation, radium from rocks etc. After that it’s the luck of the draw.
Why did Adams pick glyphosphate from this enormous list with absolutely no reason? It becomes clear later in the post when it was obviously a set up so that he could slam the Father as the cause of his son’s death. Adams is an evil b*****.
I wonder if Ol' Mikey was advising Steve Jobs about treatments? :(
Tumor Treating Fields, or TTFields, are low intensity, alternating electric fields within the intermediate frequency range.
This is, as I'm sure you are aware, pure technobabble. "Intermediate" compared to what? The term does not correspond to any frequency range on the ITU list or any other list of electromagnetic frequencies. And even the highest frequencies on the ITU list are probably still too low to have a significant effect on chemistry--you might have some vibrational modes of DNA or RNA in the THF/terahertz range, but I'm not sure of that, and even that is way too low to ionize anything.
You need to get into the UV range before you get electromagnetic waves that have any effect at all. Unfortunately, the effect you get is generally not a desirable effect.
"Shame on all you politicians in Washington"
Interestingly, I just ran across a woo conference or gathering of loons that listed Mikey as being domiciled in the "Republic of Texas". I can't recall exactly where it was ( Bolen?) but I'm sure that he'll use that again.
Like the other idiot I survey, he often says despicable things about his own country: predicting doom, gloom, poverty and widespread devastation. Both told their thralls to move to Texas ( but not the dry part/ the other owns a spread near Tyler) as the coasts were dens of liberal corruption and soon to be wiped out by rising waters, drought, famine, earthquakes, radiation, taxes and gang rule ( only one believes in AGW- not Mike).
NOW Mike is writing about floods in his own Austin area and donating pure foods.. Why didn't he predict that?
Orac's link to the article in question delivered 'The Top 10 Scientific Achievements of Mikey Poo' of August last.
He must be very proud of his work.
Good gosh! Like any pesticide, glyphosate poses some potential harms, based on how it's used, 'dosage' etc., but lumping it in with parathion, malathion, and diazinon is just tacky guilt-by-association. The whole anti-GMO scene just depresses me in it's mis-direction. The GMO-foods don't hurt people, and Roundup is less toxic than the herbicides it replaced, yet Monsanto's sales practices and the land and crop use they do for R&D pose real questions about exploiting indigenous farmers and environmental policy. They're basically getting a free pass though, because the would-be 'critics' all seem to be scaremongering stuff that isn't a real problem, leaving the genuine issues in the dark. They're complicated, not-as-dramatic, not 'scandalous'. Just corporate business-as-usual.
In fact, if I was running PR for Monsanto, I would be funneling pay-offs to Mike Adams, since his maniacal howling up the wrong tree is actually protecting the company by effectively deflecting scrutiny into irrelevant areas and ludicrous rhetoric. (I'm surprised Mikey didn't depict Joe Biden as Eichmann and Beau as an death camp victim. That's about his usual speed.)
Links from RI typically do this. One trick, if for whatever reason you want to actually see what the link goes to, is to G--gle the title of the NN page and go from there.
I actually put a lot less stock in vague criticisms of this sort than I used to a few years ago. I mean, when I was a 13-year-old anarchist and living in the PNW during the whole "K.O. the WTO" era, I read more than my share of Vandana Shiva and swallowed her BS hook, line and sinker, but callow youth is a good excuse for things like that. (She's a straight-up liar, as it turns out.)
There was a case I read about recently in which a biotech company basically did take a locally developed strain of wheat - this was somewhere in the northern part of the Indian subcontinent, I think maybe Nepal - tweaked it, and attempted to patent it. It wasn't actually Monsanto, though unfortunately I can't remember the name of the company, or I'd be able to find an actual link to what I was reading.
Anyway, seeing as traditional hybrid crops can also be patented, I see no reason why that kind of thing couldn't be tried by taking an indigenous strain of some crop, tweaking it a bit through more traditional genetic modification, and patenting it.
I wanted to illustrate his tactics.
-btw - Mikey now has his own search engine, Good Gopher, that avoids g---gle's corporatocratic dictatorship:
he's selling ad space. See NN today.
^ Ah, there are a couple takes on the wheat story here and here. The first is from a capital-L Libertarian rag, the second isn't, but in any case, I'd trust just about anybody to put forth an honest account more than I would Greenpeace or Vandana Shiva.
This looks to be a pretty sizeable operation, and their CEO even persuaded TED to give him a forum.
Incidentally, one of their branch offices isn't too far from you.
Here's hoping Vice President Biden comes across this BS and publicly chews Adams out. Our VP can give some pretty effective put downs when he wants to.
"Yes, there’s nothing like accusing the grieving father who just lost his son of having helped cause that cancer."
Did his grieving father grieve for any of the innocent children and families bombed by the Administration he supports? How much compassion has the war criminal father shown to the millions of dead, maimed, raped, tortured and pillaged?
Fuk the dad and his war criminal buddies. Maybe he will have some compassion and stop murdering people in the name of politics.
Joe Biden ain't pillaged nobody.
I suggest that we all simply ignore #25.
Meanwhile, I'd be interested to hear any opinions from the more biomed-oriented folks responding to myself @11 and Eric Lund @14, in which we were referring to a question posed in the first comment.
I've been watching Mikey's antics since 2007/ 2008 and he's tried many different ways to make money-
getting people to sell supplements (MLM), selling foods, books, videos, memberships for woo broadcasts, farm kits etc etc etc- my own fave was his *colonia* in Ecuador- real estate, nature hikes, lectures, eco- tourism.
LouV @9, you are exactly correct. I keep trying to tell people that, along with dose, method of exposure to chemicals makes a lot of difference.
Inhalation is usually the worst route, because your lungs just absorb it directly into the bloodstream, you might as well have injected it into a vein. Skin absorption less so, the skin protects against anything water-soluble, and even organic-solubles are slowed up and somewhat mitigated.
Sometimes oral ingestion is the least-dangerous route: the chemical may be destroyed, or perhaps made less nasty, by the digestive system, and you at least have a little protection, in that oral ingestion may cause vomiting, get some of it out of you.
So, you all just try putting yourself in glyphosphate's shoes: there's a difference between being nicely absorbed by farmers through their lungs and skin, and being thrown into someone's stomach, chock-full of digestive enzymes and hydrochloric acid, at pH 3! See if you can still cause cancer after you're been though that!
A dear friend of mine dies of a brain tumor and I completely agree. Thank you for posting this.
Never heard of these TTFields. There is a thing called Electroporation Therapy, which uses high voltage oscillating fields to induce pore formation in cell membranes. The idea is that if, for whatever reason, membrane pores are more acutely toxic to cancer cells than adjacent normal tissue, you can selectively kill the cancer while only injuring the normal cells.
I see phase one trials in PubMed, not sure if it's gone farther than that. People are mostly interested in trying this on skin cancer. I can't imagine sticking one of these devices in someone's brain.
You ain't seen nothin' yet! Wait until Mike Adams plows through this recent paper:
Pretty breathtaking in its scope and ambitions; I can hear MA salivating already.
Your thoughts, Orac?
About Tumor Treating Fields, see the 2011 TED Talk.
There are videos of TTFs disrupting cell division. The device isn't stuck in the brain, it's worn on the head. In a Phase 3 trial for recurrent GBM, life expectancy was the same as with chemo, but without the side effects.
Why has glioblastoma rate doubled since 1980?
Purple curve, looks like it doubled from 1 to 2 per 100,000 between 1980 and 2007.
Baby boomers getting older or what?
How many more times can Stephanie Seneff publish Nancy Swanson's spurious correlations without one of the journals working out that they have already been published?
Probably never as she publishes in the pay to play literature.
Not entirely OT as I found it at Natural News/ right column:
"Hoofnagle the Science Cat emerges as rock star to shutdown pathetic science fundamentalists"
3 videos featuring- Grumpy cat playing a metallic guitar, a "skepduck", Dr G, Randi, Las Vegas Amazing Meeting.
I assume it's anti-sceptic but one can never be sure when viewing such a mash.
Why call the cat Hoofnagle? Those guys are sceptics.
You ain’t seen nothin’ yet! Wait until Mike Adams plows through this recent paper:
Surgical Neurology International? Now there's a familiar name.
Surgical Neurology International
There you go.
Actually, it looks like glioblastoma rate doubled from 1980 to 1991 and then more or less leveled off.
Eric @ 14
From the Wikipedia article stating the frequency range is 100 kHz to 300 kHz, I rather suspect "intermediate frequency" is misapplication of a term that has long been established.
In radio frequency communication, it used to be very common (less so now, with other methods available) to heterodyne (mix) the carrier radio frequency signal with a local oscillator frequency to produce a more-readily processed "intermediate frequency" - that is, intermediate between the RF carrier frequency and the modulating frequency. For AM radio, 455 kHz is by far the most common.
Ah, here's the Wikipedia article on the tumor treating fields.
Novocure announced in 2014 that the Phase III trial was so successful, that the trial’s independent data monitoring committee recommended terminating the trial early and offering tumor treating fields therapy to the control patients.
And yes, I'm interested in tumor treating fields because I've been told that non-ionizing radiation isn't s'posed to do anything but heat water.
Oy, Mike Adams. I have said this before and it looks like it's time to say it again: “choosing natural healing” is a euphemism for “rejecting treatment while engaging in elaborate anxiety reduction rituals.”
One of my closest friends was cleared of astrocytoma (a more treatable form of brain cancer) via "conventional" "allopathic" "Western" medicine (chemo & radiation), and as a result he's now alive and well. So this time it's personal.
Why I despise Mike Adams:
He's a craptastic fraudulent b-----d who earns more money promoting garbage that kills people, than any half dozen of the honest medical professionals on this board including Orac earn by actually providing real medicine and surgery that really treat illnesses.
He's a classic sociopath with zero empathy for others, a relentless self-promoter with "charm" galore, and an accomplished liar who may or may not believe his own BS but hooks countless thousands to believe it at their own peril.
And he does all of this with a degree of smug that defines the term, like a professional thief who can't help but crack a smirk after cracking a safe.
IMHO he's a waste of protoplasm and the air, water, and food it takes to keep him chugging along. If there's any justice in this universe, he'll go on live TV, drink one of his magic potions, and then proceed to puke it right up on camera for the multitudes. And the studio audience will laugh him off the stage.
Don Irvine comment #32: Seneff is trained in computer science, not biochemistry, and it shows in all of her work. The article you cite is a wide-ranging review showing no original research and no direct connection between herbicide use and Mn deficiency. It's not proof, just more allegations and accusations. I'd have to see a real biologist show original work proving these wild claims before I'd believe any of her ideas. Seneff is such a TrueBeliever(tm) that she even references a disgraced rat tumor "study" by Seralini which is utter garbage and not taken seriously by scientists.
Max comment #33: I was tempted to call TTFs 'snake oil', but I looked it up first. TED talks give an overview, but they can be little more than live advertisements, so I dug further. Initial animal tests and early human trials were interesting and promising enough that the FDA approved the device for treating humans in 2011. (That approval's not so hard to get given there's no other treatment once surgery and chemo are done. A little help is better than none as long as there's no harm. I was curious but not hugely impressed so far.)
A 2014 phase III study was ended early because the results were so good they wanted all patients to get the treatment.
It's definitely got me interested enough to read some more, but not at this hour.
Had no particular thoughts of this myself; it was more of a cue for the originator of the thread to comment
I enthusiastically second your remarks about Senneff and Seralini.
Especially with respect to True Believers who muddy the water with self-reinforcing propaganda dumps dressed up to look like science reports. On a broad array of crackpot notions, once an enthusiast gets his hands on a piece of paper that looks like proof of some kind he will never listen to reason - especially if it comes from a person with some kind of credential via some kind of journal that at least looks peer reviewed: an article in Entropy by Doctor Seneff of MIT is made to order.
That's a beautiful saying.
Had no particular thoughts of this myself; it was more of a cue for the originator of the thread to comment
We can but hint to the proprietor, although he is strangely resistant to our suggestions.
I noticed another Seneff opus in Surgical Neurology International which could easily become grist to Mike Adams' mill:
Diminished brain resilience syndrome: A modern day neurological pathology of increased susceptibility to mild brain trauma, concussion, and downstream neurodegeneration.
Now some people would say that until recently the NFL put a lot of effort into downplaying the problem of sports-related concussions and head injuries, until the tobacco-science eventually failed and the frequency of brain damage among footballers was no longer deniable. But the theme of this paper from Morley and Seneff is that the increasing reporting of sports-related brain damage is caused by glyphosate. And sun-block. And poor diet / lack of supplements.
Blaylock's "shaken-baby-syndrome = The Vaccines" ideas are there in the background.
Did I mention that the first author is a Holistic Nutritionist for Sports Concussion, who sells special-purpose supplement pills?
So the Daily Mail is reporting that Val Kilmer, 55, looked frail and a shadow of his former self, and that he has denied rumors that he is battling throat cancer, and that reports earlier this year suggested Val was relying on his Christian Science religion to heal his health problem, and that according to an insider, anyone who persisted with asking the actor to seek medical help was simply cut out of his life.
@ Gray Squirrel:
That was well-written. Excellent! I agree with you entirely.
I've been trying to ascertain how much filthy lucre Mikey earns but so far, no dice.
I imagine that having businesses registered overseas enables him to keep this quiet.( I HAVE been able to use business sites to estimate how much the other- rich- idiot, Gary Null, earns - although I haven't looked in a while, I recall 10-12 million USD per annum).
So how are they able to do this?
I think these two frauds speak well to people who have axes to grind against authorities/ experts and who can't 'see into' others' motivations well.
You'll notice if you read or hear their screeds that all reasonable providers of information- governments, SBM and media- are demonised by presenting any instances of error or wrongdoing that may have occurred in the past 200 years or so. Earnings are then paraded as proof of criminal activity.
They present themselves as humanitarian-scientists ( really!) as exemplars of morality who have only the public interest in mind: they would protect consumers from greedy entrepreneurs and doctors who would heartlessly take all of their hard earned money.
They preach, "Don't trust anyone except ME!"
People may accept this line of bs because over time, they have presented themselves as friendly, down home folks who just HAPPEN to also be groundbreaking geniuses, far ahead on the 'learning curve', initiating paradigm shift all the live long day. And followers can be in their inner circle!
After years of following this crap, I believe it's important to reveal how much money these guys make and how they live. Show their estates. -btw- I haven't been able to find Mikey's current house- which he says is not much- only his hacienda in Ecuador which he had for sale.
I notice that in the past several years, they both needed to reiterate how much they give to charity as damage control which I never heard before. PRN is rife with these claims. Mikey gives away money and farm kits to schools and donates pure foods to flood victims. They both have registered charities.
This tells me that they must have experienced complaints or publicity about their wealth. We need to do more.
I wouldn't want to mislead anyone by not being clear-
those figures I quoted were for sales, not earnings after expenses-
I'm sure that NO one would EVER over- estimate costs of doing business.. Never happens.
Herr Doktor Bimmler #37:
Thanks for that delightful rabbit-hole -- how many more stories like that must there be out there?
#49 "Thionetic Nutrition"?! Sounds like Precious Bodily Fluids, to me.
Actually, the piece that got me started down this path was something published last year, but that I ran into only yesterday:
#49 “Thionetic Nutrition”?! Sounds like Precious Bodily Fluids, to me.
I would have thought that when Morley's day job consists of selling people special pills that will mitigate the effects of self-diagnosed head injuries and "Diminished Brain Resilience Syndrome" (a term of her own coinage), it might be worth noting the potential conflict of interest when she co-authors a paper introducing the concept of "Diminished Brain Resilience Syndrome"" and promoting supplements to mitigate the effects of head injuries. But there is much I have to learn about ethics.
something published last year, but that I ran into only yesterday:
Yikes! The Google machine informs me that the paper was bad enough that an editor resigned from the journal in disgust.
Shiva IS full of BS, but some of what she says remains true (broken clock?). She's a major source of my angst though, as she's derailing the legit concerns she raises with headline-grabbing sensationalist nonsense building her little cult of personality. I don't know anything about bogus patenting — the stuff the environmental folks I've met are concerned about isn't really specific to GMO, and is more generic to industrialized agriculture in general — that is, the same issues could be present in developing traditional hybrids.
I think the most important thing here is the comment section, where this crowd takes it almost as a matter of fact that if only Biden would have taken THC oil and drank baking soda and eaten non-GMO foods and treated his parasites, everything would have been OK. Over the past generation, CAM has devolved from a loopy self-empowerment belief system to a really toxic stew of conspiracy, cultishness, and auto-didacticism. A lot of the comments here are taking the piss, but this site is actually hurting people by spreading this stuff. It makes my blood boil, because I see these people in clinic a couple times a week. Sometimes, they die.
I've cured over 150 of my patients with holistic methods of those 150 that followed my diet 16 received chemotherapy 14 of them are now dead. If you understand the cause of cancer you will understand why chemotherapy fails so many. Out of the 134 patients that followed my principals only 6 have died these people cancers were also very advanced and if they had come to me earlier they probably would still be alive.
Why delete my comment? There's better success rates with cancer through the forms of bacteria's my diet is mainly a raw animal based diet I've had a 97% success rate with cancer. I also have the science on my side :)
At the university of tornoto Canada Dr. Sara Arab injected verotoxin, a bacterial byproduct from e.coil directly into human malignant tumors. After a single injection, the verotoxin completely dissolved both the tumors and their blood vessels within 2-7 days.
Dr. K. Brooks Lowe of Yale university reported that researchers used salmonella to reverse cancer.
The micro science that studies "pathogrns" is relatively new (60 years) and flawed. Newer research (20 years) has been and is being performed, proving that pathogens are responsible for the reversal of cancer, and possibly for cancer prevention.
You people sit on this forum like y'all know what y'all are talking about yet you guys do NO RESEARCH, I've done my research. Future scientist will laugh at people like y'all SHEEP.
That's what I thought sheep, future scientist will laugh at people like y'all :) good job not trying to debate me I could and would make y'all look silly.
Sheep sheep sheep, when bacterial injections become the main cancer treatment in the next 50 years remember me. Chemotherapy fails it attacks the symptoms of cancer without attacking the cause of cancer maybe you should learn that first.
You also said chemotherapy only attacks unhealthy cells and not healthy cells, thats complete false if you did research you would know that's bullshit, cancer is dead cells they can't be unhealthy because there already dead, if you put a tumor under a microscope all you see is dead cells, chemotherapy attacks dead cells not unhealthy cells so you already don't know shit.
Don't indulge in delusions of adequacy. New posters and profanity go into moderation.
Herr Doktor Bimler
Thanks for that link -- just what I needed. I should stop being such a lazy bunt and master that Google Machine myself...
Hey shay #61http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990701070106.htm :) I can site another thousand more if you would like, instead of receiving the injections I prescribe we eat raw meat and feces to receive theses bacteria's.
Haven't you ever wondered why animals eat there feces? In the 90's scientist saw chimpanzee's that had cancer started eating there feces at a very high rate, I proposed to these scientist that it was the e.coil content in the feces of course the scientist called me a quack this was in 1990, now later were seeing a connection with bacteria's dissolving tumors, the animals were eating the feces on a instincltly level because they knew it would help them.
Even though these therapy are very successful, many of the patients now suffer with chronic viral symptoms. That is what happens if you treat the disease without understanding the cause of cancer.
Cancer is basically the inability to discard dead cells. The body gathers those cells in a particular area, called a tumor, until it later can dissolve those cells, unfortunately because of our diets we never end up dissolving these tumors, so we in return try to attack these cells instead of removing through the form of raw fats and raw bacteria's , instead we use chemotherapy which attacks the symptoms of cancer this is why its so unsuccessful
Hey, Matt Hirschhorn #63!
Are you the same Matt Hirschhorn who's a stocker at Dollar Tree in Austin?
Oh joy! Keith Bell's stupider brother has come to visit!
Is this real? Am I high?
I smell bullsh!t.
I was right.
For some species it is about retaining Vitamin B12.
<i.Haven’t you ever wondered why animals eat there (sic) feces?
I have a dog. A large Newfoundland dog. In addition to eating her feces, she will also consume discarded roof shingles, toilet shut-off valve covers, and Lego.
I can't imagine why that scientist called you a quack.
Peace, people, peace!
Either Matt's confused enough to be harmless, or he really is a Dollar Tree stocker, in which case he may merely be doing something postmodern
"At the university of tornoto Canada Dr. Sara Arab injected verotoxin, a bacterial byproduct from e.coil directly into human malignant tumors. After a single injection, the verotoxin completely dissolved both the tumors and their blood vessels within 2-7 days"
It's TORONTO you pissant. And DON'T co-opt Sara Arab's excellent work for your shillacious bullsh!t.
JP @66 --
[Grammar mavens are finally coming around to understand that "hopefully" can be used like everyone uses it, rather than being restricted to being an adverb. Thankfully.]
Matt Hirschhorn is a friend and a patient, is anyone going to refute what I'm saying or just attack me because y'all have done NO scientific research
One morning I shouted a request to Mr. Delphine from upstairs. I asked him to leave me some cash as I had none, would require some later that day for parking, and had no time to stop at a bank machine. Mr. Delphine complied and left me a $20 bill on the stairs right before he rushed out the door.
When I came downstairs a few minutes later I was dismayed to find that Mr. Delphine had not heeded my request. I texted him in annoyance, to which he immediately responded, "But I'm sure I left you $20 on the stairs! I'm pretty sure I did!"
The following day, Dylan the Newfoundland shat out a perfect $20. Wrinkled, but still intact. I purchased Mr. Delphine's favourite ale as a token of my repentance.
Perhaps my dog holds the key to curing rampant capitalistic greed.
Well first, Friend of Matt Hirschhorn, we should probably discuss "a bacterial byproduct from e.coil", and go from there.
Delphine #69 and #74
First of all tearing cardboard and Lego's up is much different than consuming even if your correct on this specific species, you still have to be able to explain why other species do it. So your argument here is already flawed.
And on #74 that's just pure ignorance
Where did I say that she tears up cardboard or Lego?
You are in danger of rreceiving a visit from the Apostrophe Police, Friend of Mat Hirschhorn.
Let me see if I have this right -
Injecting a toxin directly into a tumor kills the tumor, and that's the same as eating spoiled meat?
One of those I have no trouble believing, the other, not so much.
I know, it was really ignorant to assume the worst of Mr. Delphine. But as I said, I tried to make it up to him with beer.
I had a conversation at a bar last night with a prescriptivist.
"How you doin'?"
"You mean well?"
*glower*, pause, rant.
After that spontaneous testimony, I can no longer doubt Matt hirshhorn's fine qualities.
Johnny #78 I will try to explain.
What do all living organisms do? They eat! First, all living organisms are bacteria weather it be humans or small microbes were all just bacteria. Let's say we are 500'000 thousands years in the past and were walking through the woods and we see a dead rabbit, what do we do? If were hungry we eat it. Now earlier I said tumors are just dead cells so the same analogy excist inside our bodies, so when we ingest these bacteria's they dissolve our tumors by eating them, bacteria's and parasites see our dead cells as a food source just like all living organisms.
According to Dr. Elnora Van Winkle,retired biochemical neuroscientist from the department of phychiatry at New York University's school of medicine , "pathogens" are the cleanup and demolition crews for degenerative conditions. They appear as a response, not as the cause. "Pathogens" respond to decay within the body, reversing or preventing disease that is more serious. They are the first stage of the cure, the cleaning stage. Eliminating pathogens, such as salmonella, campylobacter and E.coil, and parasites forces decaying tissue to remain in the body,
"Let’s say we are 500’000 thousands years in the past and were walking through the woods and we see a dead rabbit, what do we do?" -- Well what I would have done is sent ahead in time to 4077th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital in South Korea, so that Hawkeye wouldn't have had to operate on poor Radar's Fluffy. But that's just me.
ChrisP: "I smell bullsh!t."
Which the person posting as "Matt hirschhorn" will be pleased to eat.
Oh, good grief.
Oh look more doctors and scientist agreeing with what I'm saying. You people can refute me but the science is on my side heres more evidence.
Parasites also eat degenerative tissue and dead cells, Joel Weinstock, a gastroenterologist who HEADS a research team at the university of Iowa stated that we are the first population to be without gut worms. He asked six patients with very painful, intractable inflammatory bowel disease to drink the eggs of Trichurissuis, a whipworm parasite normally found in the intestines of pigs. Within two weeks, five of the six patients entered remission for up to five months. The patients begged for more parasites. Weinstock noted that intestinal problems are increasing in animals because they are kept to clean.
OH LOOK MORE SCIENCE ON MY SIDE
If it's at all possible, I fear that it is even worse...
It is the inevitable combination of the Worm Orouboros and the Human Centipede.
Oh look people just attack because they can't accept that there sheep,lol here's more evidence here you go sheep
Joel Weinstock and his colleagues at the University of Iowa are integral developers of this epidemiology. Their studies showed how increased urbanization, sanitation, and medical and public health advances may have been connected to the spike of diseases of immune dysfunction. More pointedly, the eradication of intestinal worms, with which humans coexisted throughout much of our evolutionary history, caused our immune systems to become irregular and unbalanced. These theories were elevated to clinical importance when Weinstock treated seven patients that had ulcerative colitis and Crohn's Disease. Non-responsive to traditional therapy, they were then infected with pig whipworm (Trichurus Suis). The results of these phase I trials were remarkable. More than 70% of initial patients reported improvement. These findings launched a new field of intervention of polarized Th1/Th2 diseases called the low tech biologics. The principle was the use of whole organisms to treat diseases of autoimmunity, allergy and asthma. This breakthrough was licensed to Ovamed and later Biomonde
And this has fμck all to do with eating your own shιt how?
And Austin, should have freakin known it would be Austin.
It's like this guy got horribly, horribly confused.
Hey science mom nobody is talking about viruses were talking about bacteria and paraites, viruses aren't even living organisms you sheep go do some more research. This thread has nothing to do with viruses
LMAO Comparing bacteria to viruses , wow the lack of information you people spill, please try to continue to dispute me tho
Science mom are you ignorant, the whole point I'm proving is that bacteria and parasites have a symbiotic relationship in living organisms including humans. These studies are proving what I have been saying in my recent post, Jesus you people aren't to bright.
It's like he's watching a different channel altogether.
I will say that Dylan the Newf is particular about the feces she ingests. She vastly prefers her own. Failing that, she really likes cat poop.
♪ ♫ One of these things is not like the other... ♬
When I said injections I'm talking about in the future. I wasn't talking about vaccine injections, I said bacterial injections
Now, I am admittedly tired after boring through the center of the weirdness that is abstract mathematical modeling of risk in call options, but did SM even mention viruses? Is this actually proceeding out of autocoprophagia?
I mean, I also have to stay up for a while in case I hear back on the end result of what tired me, so regarding item 72(2), mebbe, a little, but for this reason, I was actually contemplating doing this one, which I saw first:
Yes, I was going to play RNA World even before I saw "viruses aren’t even living organisms you sheep," which opens up a whole 'nother avenue of ridicule.*
* Is there any particular reason to demand that this question refer only to virions?
Our recently ex-dog (a Kelpie cross) was a great one for consuming feces. Her preference was for cat, no matter how old, and then for relatively fresh offerings from other dogs. When we got a kitten, we had to quarantine the dog from the litter tray, otherwise she would go shuffling through it picking up all the little boiled lollies.
Her pièce de résistance; however, was an occasion when we had some friends over with a toddler. At some point, the young lad was tearing around the back yard naked when he got caught short, so he crapped in the bedding plants. The dog raced over and wolfed it down while it was still steaming, much to the horror of the young lad's parents.
She died of cancer in February, so the poop-eating was no protection against that.
^ Hah, I almost forgot gag, pol, and env, too.
but did SM even mention viruses?
Hirschhorn was the first person to mention viruses, in order to admonish other people for talking about viruses. Perhaps a touch of Billy Pilgrim's Unstuck-in-Time syndrome.
Her preference was for cat, no matter how old
Feline digestion is not designed for full extraction of nutrients. Somewhere along the ancestral pathway, Evolution decided that it made sense for cats to unload themselves of partly-digested food in order to be lighter and faster when catching the next meal. So cat scat is quite nutritious... not that I am recommending its culinary use.
Which is precisely the reason I was wondering if he actually was stupid enough to have extracted 'phage' from SM's "autocopraphagia."
I think we both know he is stupid enough! His attempt to define cancer shows this.
JP@80 - You're probably aware of Steven Pinker's book "The Language Instinct"; I like that book, which he wrote before he became convinced that he knows everything. It has a wonderful chapter called "The Language Mavens" about prescriptivists. It is a great takedown.
"Cancer is basically the inability to discard dead cells. The body gathers those cells in a particular area, called a tumor"
Goshdarnit, I've missed another key fact about cancer in looking at tumor sections under the microscope. It turns out that all those live, frolicking cancer cells are actually dead! And I keep missing the key fact that they're really fungi (and could be vanquished with bicarbonate).
Anybody know a more powerful lens I should be using to educate myself?
*speaking of education - the absence of punctuation, occurrence of misspellings and use of "lol" once again show a strong correlation with the posting of woo. Thanks for helping to build the database, Matt.
Our ex-dog would disagree with the last part of this statement of yours.
Oh good grief I wondered what got him started on viruses when I didn't even mention them.
I'm not sure he's actually smart enough to have extracted 'phage' from SM's "autocoprophagia."
But I admit that I don't see another explanation.
And, as if on cue, this Hirschhorn person - if that is his real name - comes in to prove the point I'm trying to make in #56 above. Mix an outrageous claim (97% cure rate) with a sciency-sounding explanation (a rehash of the old Coley's toxins thing) and sprinkle liberally with anti-medical conspiracy. I'm pretty sure this is performance art here, though, and the raw meat and feces is the tell. If so, well played.
Out of curiosity, is anyone here interested in a new chew toy? An anti-GMO troll by the most inappropriate 'nym ever ("Sage Thinker") who got booted from SBM is agitating to post on this thread. He doesn't seem to realize that the our WordPress default setting dictates that first time commenters always go directly to moderation but can post freely after I approve their first comment. (He is pulling the same tired old "censorship" cry.) I haven't let any of his comments through yet because he is the sort of person who followed me around to other blogs where I've commented through Disqus to complain about my "censorship" until I was forced to make my profile private.
So I thought I'd crowdsource this one.
You people are so ignorant, the point I'm proving is just because something is highly accepted in the scientific community, doesn't mean its 100% true!! In the early 1900's people in government and pharmaceutical houses lobbied and funded the research to plan and fight a war against germs (microbes). Those who joined the microbial war were intellectuals, mainly academics, who were excited by the opportunity to prove the germ theory and once and for all to win a battle against disease. However, instead of conducting experiments to prove or disprove any validity to the theory, they accepted the theory to be as true as the law of gravity.
Now were finding benefits of these bacteria's ranging from curing depression to preventing disease all around, yet this was highly accepted in the scientific community and they were WRONG, so when y'all sit on here and say the science is so great you need to remember the science changes over time and what you might think is good or a good therapy, weather it be chemotherapy or prescribing antibiotics, whatever it is it can be looked down upon in the future.
Matt, the high number of car accidents each year does not mean that flying carpets work. I need evidence for your claims, not against other claims.
Your science is about as bad as your spelling.
Correction: it's worse. Much much worse.
Orace@111 -- far be it from me to deprive others of amusement, but with the arrival of randomly Capitalized and Punctuated matt Hirschhorn while the evolution idiot and Tinkerbell are still around, aren't you about maxxed out on your troll quota?
Matt: there's a big difference between microbes causing disease and microbes maintaining digestive balance. It's the difference between having a fire in a fireplace on a cold day, and having your whole house on fire.
You people are way to ignorant I guess I have to ask questions to make y'all look stupid.
Why don't wild animals receive food borne illness, for example lions,dogs and other meat eaters?
I know yall dont know but Hurry up and google the answer lol
Because they do. Where do you think all those Giardia in the mountain streams come from? GMOs?
And, Mr. hirschhorn, remember that you are sort of tacitly suggesting here that a recently dead person would be alive today if he only ate more feces, etc. That's a highly offensive claim. I still maintain you're probably joking.
Matt b don't put words in my mouth, I said the bacteria and high e.coil content are good for cancer. Of course if you were to just eat your feces and eat a standard american diet its better than nothing but you need to remove the other factors also.
Like I said I had 16 of 14 of my patients die when they did my diet but they also received chemotherapy, so its not the diet that fails its the other factors with the diet that fail.
Here's what they say about wild animals and food-borne illness:
Maybe you'd like some crow to go with your e-coli.
My vote is to let him in. Let them show themselves, as Matt hirschhorn is currently doing.
Gray falcon your an idiot that paper showed nothing , NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. All it said what the symptoms of food borne illness are,
Grey Falcon, please. It's e.coil.
Matt, I provided more than you did. All you said was "Because I said so, that's why!" I spend 99.9% of my time reading people other than you. If you have something to say, make it worth my while.
Dr.(?) hirschhorn - there's a classic Hobson's choice here. Either you have a cure for cancer that you have chosen not to share with the world through peer-review and publication, or you are just trolling. I'll choose to side with probability, and believe the latter. Either way, though, you're totally full of shit, and hurting people if you are talking to them about your ideas.
Gray falcon don't try to make me look bad, i m the only one who has been posting studies are you ignorant? Go look over my earlier post I am the only one posting studies.
Well, and overtly claiming to be practicing medicine without a license.
Matt hirschhorn, do your cancer patients, as part of your diet, do they eat feces?
Have you ever encountered a case of HUS? I ask because my sister had it, likely from eating improperly cooked food contaminated with E. coli. And I'm wondering if you know what HUS looks like.
Ah yes, that study. Too bad it has nothing whatsoever to do with what you do.
Now, why can't you even bother to spell e.coli correctly?
And identifying "patients" by name.
Says the person who consumes his own faeces and thinks copraphagia is a virus.
The one shilling for wormtherapy.com?* Have you read any of the references to see whether they have anything to do with the wordlike things coming out of your keyboard?
* There's nothing that says trustworthy medical services like a Domains by Proxy registration.
Joel weinstock is proving parasites are beneficial PLUS ONE FOR ME. Here's more proof
Sara Arab dissolved tumors with e.coil bacteria PLUS ONE FOR ME. Here's more proof
John R. Roth, Professor of Biology, studied salmonella for 40 years. He stated that salmonella is mostly reported as a pathogen but lives beneficially as part of gut flora.He believes eliminating salmonella is absurb. PLUS ONE FOR ME AGAIN!
Dr. Marc Harmon a dentist stated that his medical education trained him to blame disease and decay on bacteria and virus. He stated that the genocide of microbes has not reduced dental decay any more than it has reduced disease in general. Dr Harmon concluded the war against microbes is futile in eradicating disease.
Raw meat and feces sounds like the worst diet ever. Sure you'd loose weight, but only because you'd not be eating much, probably nothing.
But it would be a great band name.
Delphine there's no evidence of that :)
Research has also proved that mercury causes HUS-like symptoms, kidney and neurological damage. The medical drug Cipro has been linked to kidney digeneration. Drugs damage kidney cells. You can say e.coil causes HUS and kidney failure, yet the medical profession pushes drugs that can also cause the EXACT SAME THING.
Matt, those don't add any points to you. You made a very specific claim, you must provide evidence for that exact claim, nothing else will work. If someone accused you of murder, simply proving that murder exists is not sufficient proof.
Hey Delphine.... I got a question was your sister on any meds when she also got the HUS symptoms?
Heh. This cut and paste appears to originate with the former Aajonus Vonderplanitz.
I see you're not answering my first question, which is do your cancer patients eat feces. Moving right along, could you explain how 8 people from ages 2 to 66 (average age was 4) contracted HUS together in the DRC in 1987? The only commonality these folk had was eating the same meat dish together at the same time. Note, we didn't have Cipro in the DRC in 1987.
No. My sister was 3 years old and not on any medications. She did end up on dialysis, though, and retains a thick scar on her lower belly. Actually she nearly didn't end up on dialysis, because the surgeon didn't want to operate as her condition was so poor. Another physician (my father) convinced him that he should because in absence of dialysis she would surely die anyway. That's what happened to my family after eating feces, Matt. Likely animal feces, but still feces.
Delphine as rare as it may be your sister could have possibly been negatively effected by a vaccine, mercury causes HUS symptoms, also you said she was 3 had she received a recent vaccine, if I were you I would go look at her papers and see if she received a vaccine around the same time.
Matt, it could be that you placed a curse on her. How do we know that isn't it?
^ There's also a connection to William Campbell Douglass via the "wewant2live" cranks.
Uh...Matt hirschhorn: try posting PEER REVIEWED LITERATURE, not the junk from websites or sciencedaily. We're not impressed with the stuff anyone can post.
And, by the way - as you might have noted, we happen to be aware of Dr Arab. However, all cancers are NOT the same, and more studies are needed to see what types of cancer her treatment is effective on.
Professor Roth is a biologist, not an epidemiologist. I imagine if he ever had a good case of salmonella poisoning, he'd think about whether it's always beneficial or not. (By the way - bacteria are useful in moderation. And also, like most anything, the dose makes the poison. Too little bacteria in the body is just as bad as too much - and most doctors are aware of this. It does depend on WHERE the bacteria SHOULD be as opposed to where it is found, also. e.coli in the gut is useful. In the bladder or kidneys..not so much unless you LIKE bladder or kidney infections as e. coli is the most common pathogen causing those infections.)
Marc Harmon? Seriously? The same dentist who tries to get everyone to have their fillings removed because it benefits his pocketbook?
Try posting facts instead of your view of the world. RI is much more interested in learning new things over hearing verbal diarrhea and self-aggrandizement.
I knew that's where you were going to go. No, she hadn't recently been vaccinated. Regardless, even if she had, which vaccine would she have received that contained mercury? Please be specific.
You also don't address how the other 7 people who also ate the same meat (remember, that was the only commonality they shared) acquired HUS at the same time.
I also forgot to add - 16 out of 14 people dying on you is pretty bad, Matt...
Delphine your being very ignorant, HUS effects mostly children 1 to 10, what age do people receive most vaccines.
Vaccines contain mercury, mercury cause HUS symptoms.
Its impossible its coming from e.coil because e.coil effects all ages, HUS is happening in young children its more than likely she got damaged by a vaccine.
Matt hirschhorn: please name any pediatric vaccine that contains any type of mercury that's in common use.
And you didn't read Delphine's post: the ages ranged to 66. Are you going to claim every one of those people had recent vaccines?
Matt, elemental mercury and mercury compound are two different things. You don't even know basic chemistry, and you can't spell e.coli correctly. Why should we trust you?
Which childhood vaccines contain mercury? Do you have a citation for "mercury causes HUS symptoms" ?
You've just made me get my mother to come from her garden to answer my Skype query, and now she unhappy, but regardless: the ages of the people who contracted HUS were 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 35, 66. 35 was the mother of 2 and a 4. 66 was their Sunday school teacher. All ate the same grilled hamburger at a Sunday school picnic, cooked at the same time. They were all in the same Sunday school class, seated at the same table.
But maybe it was gremlins. Or chemtrails. Or vaccines.
MI dawn stop being ignorant, were talking about HUS, Most HUS occurs in young children, I worked with my friend AV he had 4 patients received vaccines that all contained Thimerosal. All 4 had also came down with HUS symptoms, that why I'm saying there could be a connection.
Yeah, I see your point. Letting Sage Thinker in would be like another Matt h, only even more annoying and posting even more frequently.
We're seriously have a conversation with a moron that advocates eating ones' own feces?
We need a better breed of troll.....
That's the problem. There isn't a better breed of troll, otherwise they wouldn't be trolls.
Matt, did you read the part where two of the victims were 35 and 66?
Ah, there we go.* Which symptoms would those be? Make sure to compare and contrast.
* It's cute that it's now channeling Bellend.
OK Delphine I'm not saying its coming 100% from vaccines it just seems more plausible.
You on the other hand ran to judgment and blamed e.coil for causing her HUS,
Maybe the HUS isnt coming from e.coil nor the vaccines.
All I'm saying is if you have a disease that is affecting mainly young children you have to then ask what are children receiving that older people aren't and its vaccines.
Also 4 people came down with HUS all young children all had received vaccines that contained Thimerosal, to me this seems more plausible than blaming e.coil
Matt, on what planet is an explanation that fails to account for two people more plausible than one that accounts for all of them?
Also, there's another factor, young children have less developed immune systems in general.
Matt, you don't have the first clue as to how HUS is transmitted, or what can cause it, do you.
What are some things that LITTLE CHILDREN do that adults don't do? Hmmm, could it be....not wash their hands? Share their food, even bites of their food? Stick their hands in the pants, after not wiping properly, not wash their hands, pass a cookie to their sister (after taking a bite?)
What are some things that might have been common in the DRC in 1987 (and even still) -- particularly in a poorer pocket suffering from food insecurity, low literacy rates, and general instability -- could those things be, contaminated water? Unwillingness to discard food that we'd otherwise throw out here? Lack of understanding on hygienic food preparation and proper cooking methods?
Do you think that it's possible that MORE people that day, say, adults, acquired foodborne illness symptoms, yet they were so minor that they weren't really acknowledged, especially in a place like the DRC where food and water borne stomach upsets are not uncommon? Do you think that maybe, it's not that children AND the elderly are more apt to ACQUIRE HUS, but are more likely to SUFFER from severe symptoms? Any ideas as to why that could be?
For certain values of "plausible." Now get cracking, and find hematuria as a result of straight ethylmercury poisoning. If you can't, you lose.
You can't do that deplhine, if your going to start blaming bacteria for food-borne illness you need to be able to explain why wild-animals do not receive foodborne illness.
Wild animals do receive foodborne illnesses.
Thanks shay, obviously you couldn't find hard-evidence The evidence that bacteria causes food borne illness is guess work I talked about this earlier, also Delphine all these people you said came down with HUS ate cooked meat :) why does pasteurized milk still cause food borne illness?? The scientific community considers me at GREAT RISK, yet I've been eating raw meat for 50 years and have never developed food borne illness. Like I said future scientist will laugh at today's modern science espically around bacteria.
Here's a whole book about foodborne illness in wild animals:
Right after you explain what's already been asked of you:
1. Which childhood vaccines contain mercury? Please be specific.
2. How did 8 people contract HUS at the same time after eating the same meat off the same grill? Not all were children and none had been recently immunized (and before you ask "how do you know" because my parents were their doctors.)
"A Scoping Review of the Role of Wildlife in the Transmission of Bacterial Pathogens and Antimicrobial Resistance to the Food Chain," Zoonoses and Public Health, 30 Aug 2014.
also Delphine all these people you said came down with HUS ate cooked meat Why don't you do a little research into common ways of acquiring HUS and get back to me.
I’ve been eating raw meat for 50 years and have never developed food borne illness My father smoked for 50 years and never got lung cancer. My (now sober) alcoholic uncle drove drunk for probably nearly as long and never killed anyone. Doesn't make either smoking or DUI a great idea.
italics quote fail.
Delphine your so ignorant the 8 people did not get sick from vaccines, neither did they get sick from bacteria.
I said your sister may have gotten damaged by Thimerosal in the vaccines, this WAS BEFORE YOU TOLD ME ABOUT THE EIGHT PEOPLE ALSO GETTING SICK.
Listeriosis in European roe deer.
I'm still waiting on the hematuria, Fail-Boy.
Delphine your argument is so stupid, you said my father didn't receive lung cancer but he smokes cigarettes, OK BUT HE COULDVE GOT LUNG CANCER. People that eat raw meat CANT RECEIVE FOOD BORNE ILLNESS so your argument is already dumb. For that argument to be true people would have to be getting sick from raw meat, YET WE DONT , people that smoke DO GET LUNG CANCER, your argument is dumb. I'm done making y'all look silly.
Delphine your so ignorant the 8 people did not get sick from vaccines, neither did they get sick from bacteria. -- So how did they contract HUS
How would Thiomersal cause HUS?
Matt, what evidence do you have that "People that eat raw meat CANT RECEIVE FOOD BORNE ILLNESS", beside "Because I said so, that's why?"
You seem a little upset, Matt. Does your raw hamburger suddenly seem less appealing?
Have a little sunshine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT_5bsn3Vgo
From my home town!
Well, the town I went to school in, anyway.
Some days you get the cougar, some days the cougar gets you.
I’m done making y’all myself look silly.
I don't think so.
argh. HTML fail.
I’m pretty sure this is performance art here
Poe's Law reminds us that sufficiently advanced stupidity cannot be distinguished from parody.
Listeriosis in European roe deer.
They weren't eating enough RAW MEAT.
Sorry, I forgot to mention two additional classic characteristics of posters afflicted with woo stupidity - compulsive ALL CAPS and use of the expression "ha ha ha".
I may be publishing a field guide to the breed one day.
I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't performance art, myself. That 'y'all' is too calculated.
During my years south of the Mason Dixon I was informed that the plural was not y'all, but all y'all.
Bets on whether Matt sticks the flounce? I have a cold beer that says no.
compulsive ALL CAPS
"Plenty of capital letters. Excellent. Devotion to upper case, she had noticed, was one of the more consistent characteristics of Life Force enthusiasts."
Some days you get the cougar, some days the cougar gets you.
I blame the Toxoplama gondii infection slowing my reactions.
I am curious about what led the fella to eat raw cougar meat. I guess maybe he was feeling really manly at the moment.
Herr Doktor, I didn't know you came from Flaxborough.
JP, my father used to refer to hunters of that ilk as "Sir Harry Barechests."
I'm not going to dig into regional variations, but my experience was just plural "y'all."
I generally regard is as necessary to start something before I declare I'm done, but what the heck, from each according to his ability.
^ regard it as
I didn’t know you came from Flaxborough.
I am a fan of the whole Flaxborough ouevre. One of my less successful experiments in home-brewing became known as "Hopjoy in the Acid Bath"
I'll bet ("Went to John B. Connally High School, Lives in Tomball, Texas").
What's that you say, Flouncy McFlouncerson? Has some other freak adopted a correspondingly fake name to carry one?
^ "carry on"
I remain unconvinced that there was ever such a time.
Not as common now, but Berton Rouech has in his Medical Detectives book (either the first or second, can't find it right now) a great story called "A Pig from Jersey" where 1 man died and several others became very ill from eating undercooked or raw pork (trichinosis).
So, Matt, what about that raw meat stuff?
In "Eleven Blue Men", if memory serves.
In other news..
Mikey complains that the US media is entirely corrupt because of its ties to pharm
BUT he has learned that there are a few brave journalists in the UK willing to tell the Truth about vaccine injury.
Mike has discovered the Daily Mail.
According to Bobby C of the No Religion Required Podcast, the apostrophe should go after the a. Only a Yankee would place it after the y.
Given the amount of contortionism required to defend this, it seems to me that the stronger argument is that there shouldn't be any apostrophe at all.
Matt Hirschorn is a troll. Period.