A Pepsi-Induced Hiatus Exodus

I am absolutely dumbfounded as to why the SEED management team thought it acceptable to give the corporation space here.

Money.

Good for you. Yours is one of the few blogs I still read on Sb. Makes me think I should expand Evolver Zone to host the best evolution bloggers. ;-)

I'll miss you. Love your blog. Great science writing is what put scienceblogs on my bookmarks bar.

I love your blog and, though I rarely have time to read it, will be sorry to see it go. However, when you say that "A newspaper or magazine would not allow PepsiCo to write articles about global health or nutrition - there is a very clear conflict of interest there" I have to call B.S.

Magazines do this sort of thing all the time, and it's perfectly OK even under the rules of the Magazine Publishers of America: It's called advertorial.

I can't believe I'm actually defending Adam Bly in a public forum, but here goes: SB is a business like any other. You may not have noticed, but even august publications like Scientific American have issues with pages and pages of editorial in the middle written by some corporate or national interest â- and it's all clearly marked as advertorial. This kind of high-value advertising subsidizes an awful lot of the costs of publishers.

So the real question is (and I have no idea on this count) is the PepsiCo blog clearly marked as sponsored content? Keeping in mind that there are no hard and fast rules for this online, yet, as far as I know...

Anyway, curious to hear your thoughts on this.

That stinks. I guess "Dinosaur Tracking" and "Written in Stone" will have to keep me occupied in the meantime. Keep us all posted.

I'm curious, why this reaction now? Shell Oil and GE both had "corporate blogs" here on Sb. The blogs are more or less the same as this new one, but with a couple of differences. I think it would be interesting to discuss why one corporate blog is OK and not another, and perhaps in so doing move in a good direction. There is quite a bit to talk about there.

No offense for my presumption, but I assume that when someone quits a blog network over a single incident they are really quitting it over a general feeling they have, and perhaps other plans they have in mind. So for that, I wish you the absolute best in your endeavors! As one of the people who lobbied (to what effect, I have no idea) to get you on Sb to begin with, wish you the very very best!!!!!!

@Christopher: Hey there. I with Brian and many other SB blogers on this one. The thing I objected to right off the bat was that the Pepsi blog wasn't clearly labeled as advertising/advertorial, and in fact presented itself the same as the other blogs, with editorial content overseen by Seed/ScienceBlogs folks. The other big problem: Its feed goes straight into Google News and the other places where our posts are aggregated just like the feeds from all the other blogs, with nothing saying that those posts are advertorials. The most disturbing thing to me is that Adam Bly and the other SB folks don't even seem to see that blog as an advertorial, but as an important part of the "conversation" about science.

I'm curious, why this reaction now? Shell Oil and GE both had "corporate blogs" here on Sb. The blogs are more or less the same as this new one, but with a couple of differences.

"More or less the same, except that they're not"??

Thank you for raising a point which absolutely no one, anywhere, has ever considered.

As I explained in my penultimate post, I've lost a whole lot of blogo-enthusiasm in recent months. I had plans to start posting more frequently, to balance my other writing tasks with a sustainable level of blogging; perhaps I would have given up on that and just let my blog lie fallow. As it is, I'm looking forward to kicking back and maybe someday starting over.

The most disturbing thing to me is that Adam Bly and the other SB folks don't even seem to see that blog as an advertorial, but as an important part of the "conversation" about science.

Word.

Chris - Rebecca beat me to it. I did not know how pervasive advertorials are - as a neophyte freelancer, I know relatively little about the machinations of newspaper/magazine publishing, especially since I read most science stories on the web rather than in print - but while they may be viewed as a "necessary evil", should we really have blogvertorials on Sb? This is the most severe flareup to date, but there have been other times when this issue has come up here, and so far the only answer we have received is "This is just the way it has to be."

Beyond that more general question, what really angered me was the fact that the corporate blog was not being marked as advertorial. Instead, as Adam Bly has just told us, it is seen by SEED as part of a "conversation" about science - if you change the definition, you don't need to mark it as advertising. Furthermore, comments from SEED staff indicate that they knew this move was going to be controversial from the start, yet they did not discuss it with us ahead of time. Instead they just plopped down an advertorial blog - complete with extra regular ads all over the place - and expected us to just deal with it. (Which is, in summary, the tone of Bly's response to us - This is how it is. Just deal.)

If SEED had approached us ahead of time and let us know what was going on - i.e. "Pepsi wants to sponsor a blog. How can we make this work?" - I might not be so incensed. In this case, though, SEED has failed to make the nature of Food Frontiers clear, and it is pretty much the last straw in a pattern of growing disrespect which has pervaded Sb over the past year.

Greg - This case is not exactly the same, especially since Food Frontiers clearly seems to be an advertorial blog overseen by Pepsi staff. It is not just sponsored by Pepsi, but apparently run by Pepsi on questions directly relating to their own products as part of a larger Pepsi PR program (Refresh). As I said above, it is advertorial, and if SEED wants to go ahead with that it needs to call a spade a spade and mark it as such - not use wishy-washy distinctions like "conversation" to give it a pass.

As I said in the post itself, I am not just upset about the Pepsi blog. Its establishment - without any discussion with the existing Sb community - is part of a consistent pattern of poor communication and disrespect.

Blake, thanks for that link. I essentially agree with it.

But, to be blunt, the current reaction among many Sblings .... quitting in a huff ... leaves an interesting image in my mind when I replay it in real life.

A large table, Sblings sitting around it and Adam Bly and the Sb editors introducing their new idea, a new blog sponosred by Pepsi.

Before they are even done with their presentation, a dozen or so bloggers start fuming, jump up and run out of the room.

They are no longer at the table and the last thing that will be remembered of them is how they got all pissy and ran away.

And all those remaining feel a) judged (because we did not run away) and b) abandoned.

But, as I said to Brian, I suspect that some bloggers who actually leave because of this were near the edge of leaving anyway.

I'm staying and I'm not necessarily liking the corporate model. I think the corporate blogs, if they are actually needed (and they may well be) need to be kept low in number, distinguished better, not be allowed to be shills for the corporations but rather outlets for scientists working in R&D divisions, and otherwise watched closely.

Brian and Blake, if you leave, you can still watch those blogs, but not from where I'll be able to watch them.

So, don't leave. Please.

Greg, I agree with Brian and Blake on this one. The main issue I have, however, is not that it's Pepsi. It could have been Whole Foods for all I cared. It's just another case of SEED simply treating us like our opinions do not matter, in this case not even letting us know ahead of time, and showing us that we are merely content for them. I don't feel respected here, and I haven't for a long time.

I'm not going to get into the substance of the controversy, beyond saying that I understand and respect Brian's position and action.

But, please! When and if you decide where and in what form LAELAPS will appear next, leave word here, if at all possible.

Thanks, and thanks for many excellent posts and pictures. Yours is one of a handful of science blogs that I follow on a daily basis.

Brian, I agree with your points (And Rebecca's) about the advertorial nature of the blog.

Let me be quite blunt about something, however. There is no point in complaining about not having Sbling input. Sbling input looks like what I characterized above. They don't ask us for our opinions on most things because our opinions quickly develop into culture-bound cat yowling and have very little content. On the up side, they don't tell us what to write (or not write) because our independence allows them to claim, accurately and honestly, that we are not kept. (Which, of course, cycles back to the question of the Pepsico blog.)

Apparently, according to the new post at Page 3.14, there is going to be a cleaner distinction regarding the blog. Fine, and if that is not clean enough we should complain. Personally, though, I want to see more assurance (in action, when the time comes) that the blog posts themselves are not bullshit. And that will happen when they are written and we ... address them in our own bloggy way.

If a blogger quits because of this, that blogger gets one shot to make a point. One. You get your final words as you walk away from the table.

Imagine this scenario: Pepsiblog puts out only corporate bullshit. Every time, a half dozen Sblings write negative blog posts about it, and the rest of the Sblings link to those posts (putting aside their petty "I won't link to him because he made a booboo" philosophy, of course). What is that going to get Pepsi, or Scienceblogs?

Stevie - Don't worry. I will let everyone know what's up when I know for sure. If, for some reason, the plug gets pulled before I can update, you will be able to get the skinny on my new digs (whatever they may be) at at http://brianswitek.com/

Greg - I'll take this opportunity to be blunt, too. I think your comments regarding the ineffectiveness of Sb writer input don't make any sense. Take the case of Collective Imagination - a blog you participated on. Before the launch of that blog, our Sb community managers told us about it and asked who would like to contribute posts/participate. It generated some controversy, but we also had some input. At the very least we were given the courtesy of being told what's up.

In this case Bly and others knew the start of Food Frontiers would not be received well, but they decided to go ahead with it anyway, and in a way that disguised its nature as advertorial, as well. Your analogy of the board room meeting doesn't work because - oddly enough - that is more or less what should have happened. We should have been told about it ahead of time, so even if SEED had no intention of backing down, we could say something or be prepared. This, on the other hand, was like a slap in the face. Regardless of what happened in the past, if they knew this blog was going to generate a bad reaction, the least they could have done was give us a head's up about it instead of just setting it up and saying "Deal with it."

Furthermore, I don't see what sticking around is really going to do. There is no close-knit Sb community anymore, and I can criticize a post just as well from elsewhere as on Sb (there are many, many other science blogs out there, you know). I don't get "just one shot" to make a point - I might leave Sb, but I won't just evaporate into the aether.

At this point, I am trying to come up with a good reason to say at Sb. It is hard for me to think of any. To reiterate, I am not just upset about this, but by a pattern of disrespect by SEED - Adam Bly's condescending note about Pepsi being part of a science "conversation" did nothing to help. I guess I have all but made my decision, but I want to think it over a little more. Think twice, blog once.

Brian, I say go independent ... who needs all this drama and endless discussion, reaction, and re-reaction ... yawn. I'll follow the Sb blogs that I already follow wherever they go.

I'd like to see Science Blogs make it clearer that the Pepsi Blog is a Pepsi Blog and not independant science. Being able to evaluate sources properly is important. If it were clear that this is a paid-for corporate blog, I don't think it'd be much worse than you having to share Science Blogs with other blogs that are terrible. You have Cassubon's book, which is nothing but terrified, uninformed reaction to environmental problems and you have Greg Laden, ignorant blatherer extroidinaire. Not everything here on Science Blogs is worth reading, sometimes you share space with blogs that shouldn't be here. I understand that corporate shill is a different kind of bad blog than individual crazies, but in the end, crap is crap. Stick around and help the readers decide what is what.

Brian [14]: We are not in even a tiny bit of disagreement on the fact that Sb.central screwed the pooch on how they launched this blog. But really, "input" from this bunch of ragtag bloggers usually consists of little more than self aggrandizing arm waggling. Asking the Sblings for input and making them feel like they had input probably had very little effect other than making Sblings feel like they had input.

In this case Bly and others knew the start of Food Frontiers would not be received well, but they decided to go ahead with it anyway, and in a way that disguised its nature as advertorial, as well.

I was not aware of that. How do we know this? Interesting.

We should have been told about it ahead of time, so even if SEED had no intention of backing down, we could say something or be prepared.

I agree, and I felt very bad about that as well.

Furthermore, I don't see what sticking around is really going to do.

For me, I already knew Sb.com was a corporate entity, had the occasional sponsored blog, tended to not manage interface with the bloggers very well, and was seeking (based just on the pattern of the ads, not on any inside info) new sources of revenue.

(That should not be interpreted as me thinking the PepsiBlog is a good idea or that corporate blogs are just like any other blog. When I was asked to blog with CI, I did so with the understanding that if I saw bad corporate shit I would attack no holds barred. The PepsiBlog IS a different kind of entity and worries me.)

I don't get "just one shot" to make a point - I might leave Sb, but I won't just evaporate into the aether.

Yes, that is true. I didn't mean to imply that your voice would not matter when you are no longer at Sb, in a general sense. But, in fact, your voice will not really matter too much to Sb.central when you are over on Blogspot or somewhere. Or so I would guess.

At this point, I am trying to come up with a good reason to say at Sb.

I would start with the same reasons you were excited to join Sb to begin with, and see if they still count.

Think twice, blog once.

No way, this is the blogosphere!!!!

Brian, I just noticed your revision from hiatus to exodus.

No on is going to hold it against you if you change your mind back. Which you should do.

Remember, think twice, blog once. Then think some more and come back.

Rebecca, Brian, Greg, thanks for your thoughtful comments. Just as an aside, the former Editor in Chief of Scientific American weighed in on Twitter on why the Pepsi blog couldn't (for a number of reasons) be a proper advertorial analog, he's more or less saying the same things that are being said here and all over SB:

http://faviconxoxo.tumblr.com/post/781863609/original-thread-here

But it's nice to hear it from someone who actually *has* responsibly managed advertorial in the past.

I would add that the rules against mixing of paid and original content are there not only to protect the reader from being duped, but also to protect the reputation of the institution publishing the content. If SB refuses to distinguish between paid and not-paid content, that takes away from the credibility of every blog on this site, just as it would instantly render any magazine that did the same thing a trade rag rather than a proper journalistic outfit. Even Nick Denton (head of Gawker) knows enough to distinguish his content from his ads.

It's also worth noting that by polluting Google News with advertorial, ScienceBlogs may also be running afoul of rules Google has set up for keeping Google News free of such content. This is a guess, but I wonder if these actions could threaten SB's ability to stay in Google News or even elsewhere in Google's index.

Take the case of Collective Imagination - a blog you participated on. Before the launch of that blog, our Sb community managers told us about it and asked who would like to contribute posts/participate. It generated some controversy, but we also had some input. At the very least we were given the courtesy of being told what's up.

You'd think that, if that style of sponsorship worked OK before, they'd do that again. This must be some new kind of learning-from-mistakes which they teach in business school.

Adam Bly's condescending note about Pepsi being part of a science "conversation" did nothing to help.

Word.

This is all very petulant and sulky, in my opinion.

I applaud your principled decision, Brian. A writer of your calibre will make it regardless of where he blogs and I will of course do my best to promote your writing wherever you end up.

As a longtime Sb reader, I'm fully behind all the bloggers who've decided to leave. And as a scientist I fully agree that the mess compromises everyone's credibility. Pepsi has no business on Sb other than to advertise and dispense food industry propaganda. I gave up soda years ago, and after this I have no problem giving up Sb too. I don't take artificial sweeteners with my science, thanks.

GOOD FOR YOU!!!

Thanks for your integrity, Brian! I've enjoyed this blog and will surely follow you on whichever corner of the web you find yourself as well.

Brian,

As someone who has considerable experience on the seamy side of the magazine game, as a person who has written and edited advertorials, I understand your decision. But the selfish part of me will miss this blog.

Thank you for a lot of good writing, for a world of interesting topics I might never have known about but for Laelaps, and for contributing more than you know to the continuing education of a scientific amateur. Thank you for Laelaps.

As someone who has edited hundreds of writers, I also want to say that, kid, you've got talent.

I'm looking forward to Written in Stone. May it be the first of many books.

It's how and what you write about Brian that will keep me following you!

Stop using the word advertorial. That is a nonsense word specifically concocted by marketers and weaselly editors to blunt the impact of and soft-pedal what are actually advertisements.

Incidentally I didn't see anything in Bly's CV about education in or experience with journalism.

I saw an MBA.
How does an MBA qualify you to be an editor? I dunno.

What does an MBA do when they become an editor? You just found out.

I hope you make one last post here to tell us where you are moving to. That was how I found you on SB anyway-- your old blog gave the url, and I've been hooked ever since.

Best of luck, and hope to hear from you soon!

Art and Grace - Thank you very much for your kind words. I will keep writing, and although I don't know if I will still have access when I sort things out, I will at least post a comment here about where I will be continuing on. I wish I could tell you now, but I honestly have no idea. Regardless, thanks for your support, and I hope you come find me when I set up shop again (hopefully within the week).

Hopefully Discover Magazine will pick you up.

I agree that "advertorial" is a horrible word. It is a long-format advertisement, so just call it that.

I would have no real problem with a blog BY a chemist or nutritionist (or even a team of them) from PepsiCo (or, independently, from different companies) talking about their research, life in industry, etc. Actually, that might be quite informative.

Brian, I see that Seed has backed down.

(At least according to PZ at Pharyngula.)

Let us know how that decision impacts your thinking, please!

Stevie - Yes, I just got the word, but it has not changed my decision. My choice to leave was not just about the Pepsi blog, but about this latest event being the latest in a pattern of communication lapses, poor choices, and disrespect by SEED. I think it is good that they took down the blog - it must have been difficult as I am sure it brought SEED some much-needed revenue - but it's closing the door after the cows have already left the barn, so to speak.

If Scienceblogs is not treating their writers with respect (I mean, if it weren't for you, Brian, and Rebecca Skloot, Scicurious, and all the other talented bloggers on this platform, they would have no good content whatsoever!) then f-them. Seriously.

What you do is hard. I've just begun my career as a science writer--I know. It takes a lot of diligence, integrity, and talent to be a good science writer/blogger. Your editors should recognize.

I support your decision. And, I know you will all end up somewhere more rewarding in the future.

It's pretty important to have a boss you like and respect, and even more important to feel that they respect you.

All that aside, we'll follow you wherever you go. It's just a simple matter of updating bookmarks/RSS feeds.

Hi all;
A fatal flaw was that they failed to have any representative posts ready to go up when the blog went live.

Had they done so, and had the content been surprisingly acceptable, the reception might have been better.

Instead we get this "Hi! Welcome to ShillBlog!" (crickets) and everyone, quite reasonably, expects the worst.

Shame on SEED and their ugly schemes to collect money!!!! You did what very few "Men" would have courage to do. We are waiting for you to let us know your new Blog.

Shell Oil turned my stomach,
but Pepsi turned it inside out.
Does that make me a starfish?

Just out of sure curiosity, will you leave this blog up as an archived site? There are some posts of yours that I found very interesting (notably one about the diets of Pleistocene cave hyenas, and one on Australopithecus sebida), and I'd hate to see them go in case I want to view them in the future.

seed really make a big mistake when they let pepsi in without talk it first with the blogger

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Brian, I just noticed your revision from hiatus to exodus.

No on is going to hold it against you if you change your mind back. Which you should do.

Remember, think twice, blog once. Then think some more and come back.

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This is all very petulant and sulky, in my opinion..!

Greg, I agree with Brian and Blake on this one. The main issue I have, however, is not that it's Pepsi. It could have been Whole Foods for all I cared. It's just another case of SEED simply treating us like our opinions do not matter, in this case not even letting us know ahead of time, and showing us that we are merely content for them. I don't feel respected here, and I haven't for a long time.

Hey there. I with Brian and many other SB blogers on this one. The thing I objected to right off the bat was that the Pepsi blog wasn't clearly labeled as advertising/advertorial, and in fact presented itself the same as the other blogs, with editorial content overseen by Seed/ScienceBlogs folks. The other big problem: Its feed goes straight into Google News and the other places where our posts are aggregated just like the feeds from all the other blogs, with nothing saying that those posts are advertorials. The most disturbing thing to me is that Adam Bly and the other SB folks don't even seem to see that blog as an advertorial, but as an important part of the "conversation" about science

If Scienceblogs is not treating their writers with respect (I mean, if it weren't for you, Brian, and Rebecca Skloot, Scicurious, and all the other talented bloggers on this platform, they would have no good content whatsoever!) then f-them. Seriously.

What you do is hard. I've just begun my career as a science writer--I know. It takes a lot of diligence, integrity, and talent to be a good science writer/blogger. Your editors should recognize.

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What is important about this case is that legislators in the subcommittee did not base their choices among options on the basis of the analysis, nor were votes on the floor decided on the basis of the study

Now you are going after Zombies? That is low. When I eventually turn into a zombie (which I'm expecting to happen any day now), you are going to be on top of my dinner list.

Now you are going after Zombies? That is low. When I eventually turn into a zombie (which I'm expecting to happen any day now), you are going to be on top of my dinner list.

Hey there. I with Brian and many other SB blogers on this one. The thing I objected to right off the bat was that the Pepsi blog wasn't clearly labeled as advertising/advertorial, and in fact presented itself the same as the other blogs, with editorial content overseen by Seed/ScienceBlogs folks. The other big problem: Its feed goes straight into Google News and the other places where our posts are aggregated just like the feeds f

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A fatal flaw was that they failed to have any representative posts ready to go up when the blog went live.

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A fatal flaw was that they failed to have any representative posts ready to go up when the blog went live.

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Good for you. Yours is one of the few blogs I still read on Sb. Makes me think I should expand Evolver Zone to host the best evolution bloggers. ;-)

This is a gross oversimplification that gives the impression that Scopes was a regular teacher at the schools and had actually taught evolution to his students. (At least, that's how I read such statements before I knew better.) The truth of the matter is that Scopes was a football coach and a substitute teacher, and Scopes himself was uncertain if he ever even covered the topic of evolution while acting as substitute for a science class. Why, then, was Scopes put on the stand?

In 1925 the Tennessee legislature passed the Butler Act which declared;

... that it shall be unlawful for any teacher in any of the Universities, Normals and all other public schools of the State which are supported in whole or in part by the public school funds of the State, to teach any theory that denies the story of the Divine Creation of man as taught in the Bible, and to teach instead that man has descended from a lower order of animals.
As a reaction to this the ACLU offered to defend anyone who so dared to teach evolution in Tennessee, and some local business owners in Dayton thought that their town might be able to get some easy publicity if they were able to come up with someone who they could say violated the Butler Act. Scopes volunteered, and ultimately he was charged with teaching evolution to a high school class. (Scopes was arrested but not detained. ı am learn escort izmir escort

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chocolate stores to peruse chocolates delicacies I will never eat....in like manner, if you do not like jewish Heritage, Jewish culture or Jewish people, then don't hang out where the Jewish people play. And if your Jewish too.

This was great reading Brian. And in fact, much thanks for all the previous posts on whale evolution - I used them as essential background reading when I was writing up my own post.

A fatal flaw was that they failed to have any representative posts ready to go up when the blog went live.

Greg, I agree with Brian and Blake on this one. The main issue I have, however, is not that it's Pepsi. It could have been Whole Foods for all I cared. It's just another case of SEED simply treating us like our opinions do not matter, in this case not even letting us know ahead of time, and showing us that we are merely content for them. I don't feel respected here, and I haven't for a long time.

ncidentally I didn't see anything in Bly's CV about education in or experience with journalism...

A fatal flaw was that they failed to have any representative posts ready to go up when the blog went live.

It's pretty important to have a boss you like and respect, and even more important to feel that they respect you...

Thanks for including me, and many thanks for the comprehensive coverage you've produced on this topic recently - you really have put the news to shame.

I agree with CNA "This was great reading Brian. And in fact, much thanks for all the previous posts on whale evolution - I used them as essential background reading when I was writing up my own post."

Apparently, according to the new post at Page 3.14, there is going to be a cleaner distinction regarding the blog. Fine, and if that is not clean enough we should complain. Personally, though, I want to see more assurance (in action, when the time comes) that the blog posts themselves are not bullshit. And that will happen when they are written and we ... address them in our own bloggy way.

that it shall be unlawful for any teacher in any of the Universities, Normals and all other public schools of the State which are supported in whole or in part by the public school funds of the State, to teach any theory that denies the story of the Divine Creation of man as taught in the Bible, and to teach instead that man has descended from a lower order of animals

Good for you. Yours is one of the few blogs I still read on Sb. Makes me think I should expand

iggered the succession of different forms (he did not advocate evolution nor did he support multiple creations, and he generally kept his religious beliefs out of his

thank you A fatal flaw was that they failed to have any representative posts ready to go up when the blog went live.

Apparently, according to the new post at Page 3.14, there is going to be a cleaner distinction regarding the blog. Fine, and if that is not clean enough we should complain. Personally, though, I want to see more assurance (in action, when the time comes) that the blog posts themselves are not bullshit. And that will happen when they are written and we ... address them in our own bloggy way.

I agree "I'd like to see Science Blogs make it clearer that the Pepsi Blog is a Pepsi Blog and not independant science. Being able to evaluate sources properly is important. If it were clear that this is a paid-for corporate blog, I don't think it'd be much worse than you having to share Science Blogs with other blogs that are terrible. You have Cassubon's book, which is nothing but terrified, uninformed reaction to environmental problems and you have Greg Laden, ignorant blatherer extroidinaire. Not everything here on Science Blogs is worth reading, sometimes you share space with blogs that shouldn't be here. I understand that corporate shill is a different kind of bad blog than individual crazies, but in the end, crap is crap. Stick around "

I agree "I applaud your principled decision, Brian. A writer of your calibre will make it regardless of where he blogs and I will of course do my best to promote your writing wherever you end up"

I'm staying and I'm not necessarily liking the corporate model. I think the corporate blogs, if they are actually needed (and they may well be) need to be kept low in number, distinguished better, not be allowed to be shills for the corporations but rather outlets for scientists working in R&D divisions, and otherwise watched closely.

Brian, I just noticed your revision from hiatus to exodus.

No on is going to hold it against you if you change your mind back. Which you should do.

Remember, think twice, blog once. Then think some more and come back.

I agree "I applaud your principled decision, Brian. A writer of your calibre will make it regardless of where he blogs and I will of course do my best to promote your writing wherever you end up"

I'm staying and I'm not necessarily liking the corporate model. I think the corporate blogs, if they are actually needed (and they may well be) need to be kept low in number, distinguished better, not be allowed to be shills for the corporations but rather outlets for scientists working in R&D divisions, and otherwise watched closely.

thank you A fatal flaw was that they failed to have any representative posts ready to go up when the blog went live.

Just out of sure curiosity, will you leave this blog up as an archived site? There are some posts of yours that I found very interesting (notably one about the diets of Pleistocene cave hyenas, and one on Australopithecus sebida), and I'd hate to see them go in case I want to view them in the future.

I agree "I applaud your principled decision, Brian. A writer of your calibre will make it regardless of where he blogs and I will of course do my best to promote your writing wherever you end up"