This is terrible. I've kept her under the radar for so long, and now this recent incident has blown her cover.
Shocking information has reached us that PZ Meyers trophy wife (paid for by the tax payers of state of Minnesota) was taking names of the movie goers to, and I quote her words, "be put first in line for the gas chambers once we overthrow the Constitution". That is correct, this state funded mistress was making a list of local Christians for eventual extermination.
All that money invested in her ninja training, wasted.
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Let's face it, PZ. The Christians will stop at nothing to dominate the world. Not even a ninja battalion will stop them!
Let's face it, PZ. The Christians will stop at nothing to dominate the world. Not even a ninja battalion will stop them!
Ahhhhhh. Landover Baptist Church. I should have known it was a gag. There are plenty of loose wingnuts out there but nobody could be that deluded in real life.
Actually, this kind of upsets me (even though it is comical in another way).
That is really malicious and low. Even for a rabid fundementalist self-styled 'Senior Minister'.
On the other hand, this nonsensical persecution style hoopla that seems to be accompanying this exceedingly stupid 'Expelled' film seems to suggest to me that they know that it's a shoddy piece of work and are rabidly trying to divert their faithful disciples' attention from it by focussing them on new and completely fabricated conspiracy theories.
My commiserations to both of you for having to endure this kind of moronic abuse.
PS, keep up the ninja training!
RayCeeYa, you obviously never knew my mother before the Alzheimer's set in.
Ygern, it's a joke. Landover Baptist is a notorious parody site.
RayCeeYa - I grew up in a fundy household and I can tell you that there absolutely are people out there who are that deluded. When I was a kid I actually did hear suggestions, and not only from my parents, that there were secular conspiracies in the works to eliminate the christian population. Sad but true.
What happened to your Ferrari?
I can't decide it that's hilarious or just sad. It's probably a little of both.
i can haz taxpayer-funded trophee wife?
But it's a lie! Your lovely trophy wife was simply seeing if anyone wanted anything from the refreshment stand before they went in to see the movie! And once Richard Dawkins started in with his usual "buttered popcorn, but have them put the butter-flavoring on the side in a little cup and be sure they get the fresh stuff from the top before they put all that salt on it" nonsense it just got too hard to remember in her head ...
PZ, you dog! You never told us that you used your taxpayer-furnished salary to buy yourself a mail-order ninja bride from Russia!
Even before I clicked through to the Landover site, I knew it was a joke.
Parody hints: If it says "PZ Meyers," it's nothing you need to take seriously. It's either a joke, or self-involved idiots who can't be bothered to get their most basic facts right.
Ditto for "athiest" and "Steven Hawkins" -- both of which you see a LOT from the opposition.
Ah, good old Landover Baptist...that's effective parody of religion...they're just ridiculous enough to tip their hand and wink so you know it's fake...but damn, don't real fundies come pretty close sometimes...some milder parts of the commentary on Landover's site are an exact analog of the real thing...
Not even a ninja battalion will stop them!
You're forgetting about the hustling and bothering squad. Nobody can get past the hustlers and botherers. Hustle bother!
Incredible! There doesn't seem to be a lower bound for their vitriol. The other comments on this site are equally vile, full of hate and racist. This congregation seems so attract some seriously disturbed people. I am still amazed how low some Xians are willing to go. Nothing is too malicious to be not compatible with Christianity.
Oh, how I adore Poe's Law.
You atheististic bastards better not start on messing with LBC. God'll get ya.
Not even a ninja battalion will stop them!
How about a single ninja. It has been known for eons that while ninjas are very weak in a large group, they are invincible alone. Physicists refer to it as the Inverse Ninja Law (or something like that).
Landover Baptist (or Babtist, not sure how they spell it) is a parody site, of course. The trouble with this sort of parody is that it's really hard to go far enough so that it's not mistaken as real. Nearly impossible, in this case.
The problem with Landover Baptist is that it's gotten more and more difficult to parody the Christian right. I'm sure some visitors to the site take it completely seriously. God forbid (if you'll excuse the expression) that my parents ever get a link to it. They'd eat it up (except for the virulently anti-Catholic part, which they understand they have to endure so that John Hagee can help John McCain lead us into the promised land).
I have serious doubts that the site is a parody as some claim here. Look around a little. (for example the very inspiring forum rules of the pastor). And who would go through so much work to set up such a parody site, and for what audience? No, through this site like-minded people communicate (i.e. reinforce their hatred for various other groups). Granted, some people without doubt post some outrageous comments there just for the fun of it. But don't kid yourself, most of them are real.
You just can't beat atheist efficiency: Poe and Godwin in one short post!
Steven,
Poe's law can't even be relied on.
Do you want the "it's impossible to parody religious fundies" version or the version below from the 'Urban Dictionary' (sorry no link, my HTML is pathetic):
"Poe's Law" is a Christian theological principle that states: "Elements of the Gospel speak to different levels of spiritual concern in different cultures at different times." It is taught to modern evangelists as a way to better target the message of the Gospel to different audiences for maximum salvific efficacy. The law was named after theologian Dr. Harry Lee Poe, a cousin of Edgar Allan Poe, who promoted the concept in his book "The Gospel and Its Meaning: A Theology for Evangelism and Church Growth."
To those insisting that it isn't a parody, read the first post in the thread.
I'll admit, some of the later ones seem perfectly serious (which is scary, really. I mean, how messed up are things when there's a chance that a thread like that could be taken seriously because of how close it is to reality?), but it's definitely a parody.
Gee I seem to remember a list of Ten Commandments. One said something about not bearing false witness (lying). Oh but that was from the god of the Jews. Probably doesn't apply to Christians. Sorry I must have the wrong god - this religion stuff is so confusing it's hard to keep track.
Once you've made Landover Baptist, you've arrived. You can die happy. But not yet.
Every time I forget about Landoverbaptists, something happens to remind me of them! That some people can't immediately recognize the satire is kind of frightening I think.
I just slogged my way though the TOS for the forum. There's some real gems in there.
The irony in this debate is, whether it's intentional satire or not is irrelevant.
Either way, it is still satire.
Sadly, you're wrong. Sane, perhaps. But definitely deficient in correctness for this area.
Time to give another $10 million for absence-only sex ed! They need more public money. Wait, why not give a $500+ million contract to two conservative companies to "help with passports", and those companies can direct company donations to these wing nuts? Oh, never mind, that already happened.
Nice story.
#24:
You are right, the first one is definitely a parody (I stopped reading after the quoted part (I just had breakfast!), and up until then it could have been perfectly real, only after the quote block it becomes too much). But, as you pointed out, some of the other ones could be real (Isn't it very telling that we even have this kind of discussion? Parody is sometimes indistinguishable from real Xian diatribes, as somebody else already pointed out somewhere above.) However, that some comments on this site are parody does not mean that one can dismiss everything on this site as a joke. My guess is that a substantial fraction of it is quite real.
FYI, if you haven't seen it, there is a clip of RD and PZ discussing the "event" here . (http://richarddawkins.net/article,2389,Discussion-on-PZ-Myers-being-exp…)
#22
Brother or Sister Futility (as an aside, let me just say my, 'Futility' what an appropriate name for regular visitor to this atheism interblog!)
You are absolutely correct, and apparently about the only one of many Lost Souls on this PZ Myears Interblog who might have an outside chance at salvation. Perhaps the Lord gives you such wisdom? Worth considering.
The Landover Baptist Church is a well known, deceitful Dark-Sided parody of a pardody of Churches that are trying to do the Lord's Work.
The 2nd Dominion Church, and my award winning Interblog, fully supports the Prayerful efforts of Objective Ministries to shutdown LBC, once and for all, and to stop making a mockery out of making a mockery of God and his Holy Son (who's Miraculous Resurrection from Death coincidentally, happened almost EXACTLY 1975 years ago Tomorrow).
http://objectiveministries.org/shutdown/
-RPTH
RE #34.
There you have it. For any who think that the Landover site is over the top as a parody, it pales in comparision with the real thing. They actually think they have a case against landover based on hate crimes laws! They say they're willing to do "whatever it takes" to put a stop to this ridicule. I guess it's the nature of dangerous totalitarian lunatics that to themselves they sound quite reasonable.
Wow, that anti-Landover site is really a peach. Last update on thw progress page was June 2003. I'm still having a hard time deciding whether THAT site is some kind of meta-satire or whether it's real. I don't know, my satire meter is broken.
Nice asset.
Is Objective Minsitries just a subsidiary of Landover? Because really, it couldn't be played better if it was. Paul H., fabulous job, and if you think you're for real, you're a parody.
Silence Hipple!
Everyone knows your church is nothing more than a bunch of hate driven Quad-Cavalists heretics! You dare tear a page out of the Monkey worshipers very own play book by claiming Jesus' Favorite Church is a parody. HAVE YOU NO SHAME SIR? You Hipple are the JOKE and We TRUE Christians are laughing with our loving Savior Jesus Christ! REPENT Hipple before Jesus sends one of His warrior angels to go all judgmental on your backside!
As for the rest of you Monkey worshiping, Jesus hating rationalist. Enough of the LIES! Landover Baptist is as REAL as the very FIRES of HELL ITSELF! When is comes to the love of Christ nobody is more FULL OF IT than Landover! REPENT before you are bent over a magma vent by Lucifer Himself!
YIC
BJ Tabor
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/index.php
Observer #35:
Just for the record, Objective Ministries is also a parody site, and the Rev. Paul T. Hipple a beloved member of the Pharyngula regulars. Try this -- go to his site and click on the Objective Ministries Online Shop and take a gander at their "Laughing Jesus THONG (Made in the USA)." Hmm. Is that the sort of thing a legitimate Christian site would have?
I happen to own and use the "Mr. Gruff the Atheist" Coffee Mug -- and a very nice mug it is, too.
Observer: Rev. Hipple and Objective Ministries are also satire. Frankly, I wish some of them would quit it though, because there's only so much material to go around, and the "hall of mirrors" effect gets wearisome after a while.
See? Good satire can still be distinguished from the real thing. :-D
Objective Ministries, too, is satire, but not very good satire...
Oh. I retract my claim about Objective Ministries in shame.
Stop spreading lies, Sastra. Parody is something Mary worshipping Cathy Lickers do.
not sure what's funniest today - is it the futility of explaining parody & satire to Futility, or is it the Mad-Magazineesque Satire vs. Satire bit?
This is the Perfect Church for FTK. If only she could attend their services.
It's also the Perfect Church for Paster Ted Haggard and Sean Hannity, if the latest rumors are true. If you know what I mean. And I think you do...
Argg! My parody detecting powers are weak. Rev. H's powers too strong. Fading fast.
Alright! Stop it! Stop it right now! I am picturing people who worship Mary Worth licking panels of Cathy comics. Let me tell you, that is one bad trip.
First list 'em then bust 'em. That's what Cromwell said about the English Monasteries, the warty-faced git. It worked, too.
I am picturing people who worship Mary Worth licking panels of Cathy comics.
That's better than what I was picturing. Which was the character of Cathy being licked by...never mind. If you haven't pictured it yourself I'll refrain from putting the image in your brain.
I told you that the truth was out there. You didn't believe me.
Also, PZ, you have not yet commented on what price you were asking for your daughter. Where you trying to trade her for a ticket to the movie? I am shocked and appalled. Please be nice to your daughter even if she is a bad student in your class.
"On report explains the mystery man who distracted police from Dawkins presence was none other than infamous atheist blogger PZ Myers. Myers was reportedly attempting to sell his daughter Skatje Myers to passing strangers when police were forced to intervene. "
I have some experience with the Landover Baptist people and I can tell you that it is NO parody. Every word they say or type is as true as any word in the Bible.
Now its true that the site gets trolled regularly with silly comments, by BJ Tabor is a real True Christain and a man to admire
I'm with #10.
Do they do have a trophy husband grant program? I could use some help with heavy lifting around here.
'.Frankly, I wish some of them would quit it though,...'
I can see your point, but if you had time on your hands you have to admit would be tempting to spend it in parodying these people. It's a reasonable hobby, like knitting.
Besides, it's fun watching rationalists get all exercised over obvious parody sites. We should mock them more, to hone their critical reading skills. Some tough love is in order for those who are confused about Landover.
I can't tell if he's kidding, his signature says: "A free people have the freedom not to question their leaders".
If she's a ninja this can only be an elaborate deception on her part. Everyone knows you don't see ninjas coming until it's TOO LATE.
I had a trophy wife. My bowling trophy respected me more and wasn't so demanding about being cuddled afterward.
"Lets face it my fellow Christian (Republican Baptists); the Constitution is nothing more than a rag to atheist that they could wipe their backsides on. The have no respect for anything outside their narrow agenda and firmly believe that evolution justifies anything they do. Atheists will lie, cheat and steal without blinking just to achieve their ends."
If only that douche had actually read the constitution. What a fucking tool. Full of bat shit inanity of the most repugnant and idiotic kind. You can't satire this shit. It is self satirical.
OT, but for your archives, you have been noticed by the French press. In regards to the Proteomics thingy.
"C'est le 7 février que l'affaire apparaît vraiment au grand jour, quand P.Z. Myers, professeur de biologie à l'université du Minesotta (Morris), entreprend de démonter l'article sur son blog à grande audience Pharyngula.
Il le décrit comme étant à 90% un exposé précis et correct de l'état des connaissances sur le sujet. Mais les dix pourcents restants sont une autre paire de manche."
http://tinyurl.com/ys3384
Voilà, "his blog with a large audience".
"Moins de 24 heures après la publication de l'analyse du professeur Myers, au terme d'une curée d'une redoutable exhaustivité, les commentateurs auront prouvé qu'au moins 20% de cet article de quinze pages est un collage de passages, tirés d'une demi-douzaine d'articles non crédités dans la liste de références."
Now, this post really cracked me up...
(Warm wishes and all the best to the Trophy Wife, of course)...
man, I hope at least a few managed to see the thread that post came from:
"Richard Dawkins Runs Amok in Minnesota Theater"
I do hope that helps resolve for some whether Landover is a parody site or not.
LOL
Damn you! I got suckered in and believed this was real for half the thread! Guess that goes to show you, you'd better read the first post...
PZ and his Ninja Trophy Wife home video.
I have achieved vicarious online immortality by exposing PZ Myers' trophy wife and extravagant lifestyle.
I am close to godliness.
These Christians. Aren't they so brilliantly logical :)
I know at least one Christian who thought Landover was real when I sent him to the site. I let it run for quite awhile. It was fun.
hahaha. don't give up the fight, mighty Aryan! sieg heil!
i can't believe these people are serious...
Pffft... BWAHAHAHAHA!
Ah, what a laughter. See that? That was the laughter of "OH MY GOD THAT'S SO PATHETIC"
now that was funny! ".. or God will eat your children"
Of course a battalion won't, don't you know how ninjas work? Now a single ninja, he could take out the whole damn lot...
Is that like a joke site or something?
''Well, I have it on good authority that this Dawkings character was born in Kenya, so he's at least part nigra.
They love sneaking into movies without paying. No different than stealing pies and cheating on welfare, if you ask me"
A post from one of the 'senior pastors' wow
The Trophy Wife(TM) is also a kunoichi? You lucky bastard! Where can I get me one?
Anyone else notice the KKK avatar that guy had for the forum post? I think this guy qualifies as a dangerous, but total nutjob.
"Category: Humor"
Some people seem to have missed this.
Way to go PZ - trophy wife! Not that I mean that in a way that at all diminishes her as an individual...
The rest is hogwash, of course. Having never met you or your wife, I can be certain those are not her words.
I second the question Charles asked above. Is that a joke site? It reads like the Onion except in very very poor taste. If the site is serious (goddess forbid), those folks shouldn't be allowed to drive or hold responsible jobs, much less raise children.
That's what we've been trying to tell you for 69 comments!
Some people say absolute morals don't exist. They're wrong. Commenting without having read all previous comments is evil -- absolutely.
Glory!
It's almost as if AOL has unleashed a new batch of noobs.
#45:
Alright, make fun of me! It's satire, but I already said that in post 32. My satire meter seems to be broken. You have to admit it's hard to say nowadays. I talked to christians who excrete nonsense like the stuff found on this site. Who goes through so much trouble to set such a site up? I guess, it's a hobby like knitting ...
Various rules are invoked regularly in the course of commenting here, e.g. Hume's, Poe's, Benford's, Godwin's, etc. We may need a new one: Charles' law.
If, after 50 or more comments, a known object of parody is still being seen as authentic due to a failure to read the comment thread, then this person will be deemed to have LOST THE INTERWEBS FOREVER.
Sadly, it won't work, or at least it won't stop the people commenting without reading the thread, for lo, they won't read the comment in which someone invokes the Law. :)
That's OK, Candy - it's for entertainment purposes only.
Oh, and I misspelled a word, too! "THE" should read "TEH".
Indeed! There goes your cred! :)
Seriously, it is amazingly hard to tell the difference between parody and the real deal these days, whether it be wingnuts, religious fanatics, or more usually some combination of the two.
Futility #79:
You caught on quickly and made a humorous retraction. You're not the problem. What's strange is people coming into a long thread and evidently not bothering to read any of the comments at all -- and yet asking a question which one really should guess has probably been asked and answered one way or the other already.
expose all cult members for what they are: jews, christians, muslims, and of course mormons.
... And then there's someone like #85, who doesn't appear to have read anything more than the blogpost's title.
Just to add to the "yes, people really are that deluded," my own fundamentalist mother used to tell me that all those 100,000-seat stadiums that were being built for college and pro teams across the country were part of the end times plans---namely, those arenas would be where, during the tribulation (after all the faithful christians had been raptured out of harm's way), the christians who hadn't been faithful would be fed to the lions for the amusement of huge cheering crowds of hellbound heathens.
Yes, she was serious.
I don't understand how anyone could see the "Christians United and Not Timid" banner and STILL not understand its satire...
"Dear, do these ninja pants make my asset look subtle?"
It's been years, but I still brag on having had a nice long phone chat with Judy O'Christian. My, how I miss Judy.
Here's a funny address by Pastor Deacon Fred of the Landover Baptist Church to an American Atheists Rally.
Unfortunately, the Westboro Baptist Church is real.
Damnit PZ!!! First you have a Trophy Wife (TM) and now you tell us you got her ninja lessons?!?!?! Just how in the world do you expect us mere mortals to make nice with our womenfolk when you do stuff like that??!!
"I know at least one Christian who thought Landover was real " Well then that was one Christian with more brains than you!
I surely hope, however that your friend was a Baptist and not a mMethodist or a lLutheran or any one of those other hell-bound sects. My understanding from my friends is that Landover is set up for American Repbulican Baptists and everyone else is unwelcome.
And the lord forbid if your friend was a catholic because that churhc is considered a pagan cult setup to provide young boys to the church leadership.
Don't be so quick to dismiss LBC as a fake. I think we need to keep a sharp eye on them because, while they claim they are bound by civil law (e.g. they don't hunt and kill witches unless they are on Landover property) they are still dangerous to secularist and darwinist and we should be prepared.
My congratulations to Landover Baptist Church for the butt load of Loki Points recently earned from this thread.
Just remember that your old friend Michael Korn, who at one time was threatening biology profs for teaching evolution, really thinks that atheists should be rounded up and forcibly converted or killed.
I believe that Landover Baptist Church *itself* is a parody, but do we know for a fact that all the comments are?
"Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S."I am shocked at your total ignorance. Demons must be knawing away at your soul via your colon as we speak. We all know that Carbon Dating is a bunch of bunk. Take a piece of paper, that's carbon. Take a pile of steaming negra-dung. That's mostly carbon. Take a piece of charcoal, that's carbon. They all must be the same age -- biiiiiillions of years old, right?
Enjoy hell, heathen."
It's the racism that makes me think this one's for real..
Then again, I just took a look at the rest of the comments, including the guy who has an album coming out called "Jesus is Gonna KILL YOU!" Boy, they're good. I was fooled, I confess.
"Ernest C. Ville" = E. Ville = evil.
It's a joke, son.
Hey Rev Paul Hipple,
Checked out the kids section on your site and downloaded a few of the paper projects. I cant wait to tackle one of the more complex ones.
but do we know for a fact that all the comments are?
of course they aren't.
part of the site's value is it's ability to attract flies and laugh at how they get stuck.
You need to have a good sense of irony, satire, and parody if you want to judge for yourself.
practice makes perfect.
damnit, now I did it.
ITS
I love Landover.
Even though I figured out loooong ago they're a parody (and I find them extremely funny), they got me. I read on their site that Will Ferrell is gay, and for 18 months, I just accepted that as the truth. So when I saw some Ferrell movies, some of the stunts weren't that funny.
Then I figured out, HEY, Will Ferrell ain't gay. So now I see some scenes in recent movies, and those scenes are even funnier now. This kissing scene in Talledega Nights; the skating scenes in Blades of Glory.
And it's even funnier when I remember: Landover got me good.
This may be one of those things where you had to be there, but I don't think so.
And another thing: Betty Bowers is also hilarious stuff.
I read on their site that Will Ferrell is gay, and for 18 months, I just accepted that as the truth. So when I saw some Ferrell movies, some of the stunts weren't that funny.
It's great you figured out it was parody, and I have nothing to add, except to say that if a parody site like Landover can affect you that much, you might want to think about limiting your internet time.
read some good books instead, like one of these maybe?
http://www.springfieldlibrary.org/reading/classicgaylesbian.html
Well, you see, the sad part is that I figured out they were satire in 5 minutes. Got the joke instantly. But the got me on the Ferrell joke.
I have no idea why.
None.
That would be "THEY got me..."
Grr.
This entire incident is still so unbelievable to me. You won, that's for sure.
Here's one problem with me staying off the internet, Ichthyic: I'm a web-programmer. I can't help it, I'm always here. It's what I do. Except when I'm riding my bike. But I have been pointing out these problems to my kids. I think this is a good lesson in integrity (as in, the lack thereof).
My 13 year-old daughter recently got a huge, long rant from one of her Christian friends. I'd love to post it somewhere. But not without permission. When I saw it, my exclamation was, "Jesus Monkey!", one of the things my daughter taught me.
Ah Landover. I love that place. Wide-Open's (A moderator) title of "perhaps the only decent heterosexual in all of europe" always makes me giggle.
Off topic.
You know you're a "late night Pharyngula" reader when the last 3 recent posts are your own. But I'll be damned if I wake up early for anything other than matinee shows.
The thing that gets me about LBC is all the "rationalists" who show up to argue with them. Check out the "25 Questions for Evilutionists" thread. The questions were cribbed from "Dr." Kent Hovind supposedly. Wave after wave of people showed up to reason with them. I felt so bad I thought about regestering just so I could PM them to tell them it was a parody site. I didn't want to spoil anyone's fun. So I stopped reading.
But I'm so cynical I think at least a quarter of the nonsense at UD is Tardmining. And I sincerely hope that RaptureReady and CARM have a higher percentage of trolls than UD. Otherwise.....*shudder* If you ever want to remind yourself why we are fighting, check out those two. I have a pretty epic tolerance to the Tard, but those two sites can leave me gibbering in no time flat.
... And then there's someone like #85, who doesn't appear to have read anything more than the blogpost's title.
Posted by: Sastra | March 22, 2008 9:35 PM
pfftt, you wish.
"Even though I figured out loooong ago they're a parody "
WHY DO you hate America? The LBC is the purest expression of GOD's love for the world, (i.e. white baptist republicans)and therefor the greatest hope for the redemption of Amercia. If you hate LBC then it surely follows that you hate America, and Jesus, and the Post Man.
why why why ? do you persist in these lies?
#62
Now that was seriously funny.
I live in Ireland, and as an atheist, I don't spend much time on purported religious forums, so perhaps I have been fooled. But I still see no evidence that Landover Baptist is a parody forum. There may well be members who do write parodies, but that is not the same thing.
Have a look at this thread http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=5610
''The purpose of this site is to praise and glorify the Lord, Jesus Christ. It is a place for Christians to fellowship and worship...Perhaps you've heard that we are a joke, satire or parody, and you came to our site for a few cheap laughs ...'' It then launches into some atheist bashing ad nauseum.
I fail to see the parody.
Ygern,
Check out the video I linked to at #90 - this is from the "head pastor" of Landover, and is much more clearly parody.
This is hilarious. I would have loved to have been standing behind the Myers with a big bowl of popcorn. They are dying to be persecuted.
But the damn Christians have that down to a... dare I say... science?
See? Good satire can still be distinguished from the real thing. :-D
Objective Ministries, too, is satire, but not very good satire...
Oh. I retract my claim about Objective Ministries in shame.
That's what we've been trying to tell you for 69 comments!
Some people say absolute morals don't exist. They're wrong. Commenting without having read all previous comments is evil -- absolutely.
Glory!