Uh-oh. The creationist expectation of an abrupt transformation from one species to another has been demonstrated: the picture below is of a chicken egg that was cracked open to make a meal, and inside … a dead gecko. A bird giving birth to a reptile?
Actually, no, sorry. A chicken giving birth to a lizard is the kind of thing creationists imagine that evolution predicts, but which would actually surprise and disturb scientists if it happened — we'd have to rethink a lot of genetics if a solid instance were documented.
In this case, there's an alternative, if rather disgusting, explanation. The poor mother hen had a gecko crawl up her cloaca (probably in a pushy attempt to sell her insurance), die somewhere in the oviducts, and then got incorporated into the egg before the shell was laid down. The deposition of a calcium-containing shell is one of the last steps in egg production, so it's possible…it would just take a very persistent suicidal gecko, or one that was profoundly lost.
Don't tell Geoffrey Simmons — he's been on a credulity junket lately, crowing about every functional adaptation, including the egg, as proof of purposeful design. I don't know about you, but a system that muddles excretion with reproduction and that allows random lizards to crawl up your butt and squat in your oviduct doesn't sound like great engineering to me.
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Ha!
Its clearly a baby crocoduck.
Is that a gecko in your oviduct or are you just happy to see me?
This could also be evidence of a, shall we say, sexually experimentative chicken.
In other news, Persistent Suicidal Gecko would make a decent band name.
Gross. I was hoping the gecko made a meal of the embryo. Reminds me of the candiru, a fish with a penchant...
WOW now I really feel sorry for chickens.
Mmmmmm. Chigecken.
turduckengo?
I heard Richard Gere had a gecko crawl...
oh never mind
The Australian Egg Corporation? I love it that it happened in Darwin. Man, that is gnarly. I hate eggs.
Don't tell John A. Davison. He's rather fond of Goldschmidt and other proponents of hopeful monsters.
So fine, all of our experiments trying to get a dog to give birth to a cat have failed. We now have our chicken laying an egg out of which a fully formed gecko came.
It's a triumph for every strawman constructed by creationists, then.
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
Walter Garstang, 1922: "The first bird was hatched from a reptile's egg."
Actually, this is technically true (given that classificatory scheme). But not in the way that creationists would imagine.
A normally rational, but edging-on ID, friend once tried to argue to me that the perfect balance and intention of the universe could be seen in the fact that "a dick fits inside a pussy."
I must've pushed her to the limits, because usually her arguments are a twa more sophisticated.
So I agreed that, yeah, a dick does generally fit a pussy, although there are certainly exceptions. But it also fits into a bottle (of various mouth sizes, depending), a mushy banana, a donut hole, your mouth, and, if you work at it, your anus. Plus, it's also where a man pees out of.
In birds and reptiles, urine, feces, and babies/eggs all come out of the same hole.
And aphids and some fishies can reproduce without ever having known the joy of that perfect dick/pussy union.
But, yeah, the fact that the human male and female reproductive organs fit together TOTALLY proves that God has a plan, and not just that evolution tends to modify pre-existing structures to perform new functions. Of course not.
May a thousand geckos invade your oviduct!
Clearly the simplest explanation, and to be honest, the only one that makes sense is that God (tm) designed hens to occasionally lay eggs with lizards in them instead of baby chicks.
Oh, praises be to god!
;]
I do not welcome, but fear our Chicken Butt lizard overlords.
But on the upside, I just saved a ton on my car insurance!
Aussie chooks don't wear underwear? That explains a thing or two.
Imagine you're a chicken and a gecko, albeit a very small gecko, crawls up your ass. What do you... Do you even notice... never mind; scratch that; let's not imagine it at all. Compared to the egg, it's just kinda oddly shaped, and maybe tickley.
Do those microgrippy gecko toes work on a mucous surface? Or was it sheer scrambling persistence on the part of the gecko? Inquiring minds want to know, though just now they're not sure they want to picture it any more.
"Clearly the simplest explanation, and to be honest, the only one that makes sense is that God (tm) designed hens to occasionally lay eggs with lizards in them instead of baby chicks."
Sadly, I think this is just about what the IDiots would like to see biological journal articles (and biology courses) reduced to. We could fit a whole year's subscription into a thin volume the size of a couple Chick tracts! Biology 101 can be wrapped up in a one-hour night course!
With all our newfound free time, we can get back to what really matters--getting right with Jesus and giving back to our communities. Or, watching extra reruns of American Idol. You know, whichever one Americans are more likely to do.
Another image to add to the scary picture of alligators in sewers: Marauding Butt Geckos!
Healthy Family Hint: Teach your kids to always check the water before sitting on the toilet. Public restrooms, especially those near shopping mall pet stores, are a complete no-no. We won't even talk about outhouses.
Maybe, butt it works fairly well. Within the constraints of bird life, it may work well enough, or even be better than the alternatives.
In fact, birds are almost certainly fortunate in inheriting the reproductive structures that they did, since female bats have to fly around with bat fetuses in them. That saves the time spent on the nest, but the weight during flight means that bats can't produce many young in a season. For that reason, it's likely that birds overall have a "better reproductive design" than bats do, though obviously if a designer were responsible, it would actually think about bat flight requirements, not stupidly stick with a mammalian reproductive system (save monotremes) where design considerations would favor egg-laying.
A single opening might save meaningful weight for birds as well, though that might not matter as much for a chicken as for a swallow. Bats likely would not gain much by being monotremes, except by laying eggs instead of having the young develop within themselves.
Monotremes probably are somewhat disadvantaged compared with the rest of mammals, since whatever weight savings that egg-laying, and even single openings, might afford, hardly matter for their lifestyles.
Glen Davidson
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
I'm not sure a better example of IDers knee-jerk hysteria (as opposed to their other documented hysterium) can be crafted.
05/11 - Beaumont discovered the egg
05/13 - Simmons finds out (how?) and immediately blogs with an entry from his crappy book...which doesn't say anything about the details but still presumes it as evidence of intelligent design
05/15 - Australian news agencies start reporting the story with the scientific explanation
If Simmons had just waited for clarification, he wouldn't look like such a moron for being amazed that eggs are vulnerable to predators.
For any IDers watching this story, let this be a lesson: patience is a virtue.
Which reminds me of the quip by Neil deGrasse Tyson during a presentation at the Beyond Belief 2006 conference which went something like this:
'What Intelligent Designer would put an entertainment complex in the middle of a sewage works?'
So you see TwitterWit some of us are interested in more than just biology, check out Tyson's line of enquiry.
No way, man. You are staring a Hopeful Monster right in the face and don't even recognize it? Next thing you know you'll be telling us that there is no such thing as Virgin Birth....
Has Twitterwill been plonked? He's not in the dungeon, but Lionel's comment seems to be hanging.
Lemmiwinks?
As much as I enjoy Neil DeGT, that is not his original quote. He's a great speaker, but that's an old old joke. FYI.
um humm
Gross!
Um,
Isn't it the simplest explanation that the whole thing is a fake?
The article indicates that the egg/gecko being examined, but doesn't say anyone has yet done anything which rules out fakery.
Kne
Al the Cali marriage threads are old, so this is OT:
Jeff Jacoby: still an ass
"Another" reason? What was the first one, again?
YOU STOP RIGHT THERE, MISTER!
I so do not want to hear about it. Just the name brings a tear to my eye...
Gyaaagh!
I suddenly have the urge to do a silly walk.
Am I the only one who felt an involuntary clenching upon reading that description?
For those who are interested, I am attempting to refute the notion that the people commenting on this blog know the Bible better than most Christians. If you would like to participate: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/05/another_reason_to_wear_underwe.php#comments
In particular, read comments 109, 136, 137, 139, 140 and the ones they are responding to. Then have at it. The battle is joined.
I am humbled. First the Bad Astronomer, now PZ!
Simmons' most recent post regards the rearward facing pouch on the wombat. My response this time around is to ask why stop there? There are a couple of other interesting things about the wombat that favor design more directly. Sounds like someone didn't do all their ID homework.
Dennis N @30:
(From the linked article):
"Men and women are not interchangeable, and same-sex unions - no matter how devoted and enduring - cannot take the place of a married husband and wife. The essential function of marriage is to unite male and female. That is the only kind of union that can produce new life, and therefore the only kind of union in which society has a survival stake." (emphasis mine)
Wow. Another person obsessed with sex sex sex, and making babies. Under his guidance, postmenopausal women, infertile couples, and those who prefer to adopt should probably just get divorced right now. After all, *marriage* is only for baby-makin'. As opposed to, you know, having certain legal benefits, being recognized as a family unit in the eyes of the law, the psychological aspect, etc. Nope, just about that good ol' sperm and egg union, which also CANNOT POSSIBLY HAPPEN outside of marriage. Pshaw.
I also love his own little slippery slope. I mean, after all, if two women can get married, how long will it before before A PARAKEET AND A DOG CAN GET MARRIED??!!!1111
But can we fit a gecko in one of Chick's tracts?
Strike three, curly.
twatterwill (#34) challenged,
Well, I've been attempting to refute the notion that Christians aren't self-centered and aren't so hyperactive that they put the wrong link in their comments.
You've provided me enough evidence on both counts. Thank'e!
Oh, yeah, that's the stuff. I've been falling behind on my PBF lately.
Christians know the Bible?
I suppose they know the Bible about as well as a dog knows the ingredients in a bowl of kibble.
Might want to check your link before you start trolling the wrong post.
Oops. Trying again. Thanks Ryan.
For those who are interested, I am attempting to refute the notion that the people commenting on this blog know the Bible better than most Christians. If you would like to participate: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/05/ambitious_vandalism.php#comments
In particular, read comments 109, 136, 137, 139, 140 and the ones they are responding to. Then have at it. The battle is joined.
Battle?!?
Sorry. I forgot. A lot of Christians are big fans of hyperbole. Everything has to be a battle or a crusade with you folks. No wonder why you treat a hangnail as cause for martyrdom.
I don't know about you, but a system that muddles excretion with reproduction and that allows random lizards to crawl up your butt and squat in your oviduct doesn't sound like great engineering to me
Hey, don't knock it till you've tried it...
Jeff Jacoby: still an ass
You're being far too kind to that oozing pestule of gecko spooge.
I think this was just a slightly belated April Fools joke on the part of the chicken.
"Heh. That'll teach 'em to make omelettes out of MY kids!"
Could another explanation be that a Gecko laid an egg in the hen's nest and she hatched it? It's hard to tell from the picture what it is.
Or, as pointed out above by Kne, #29, it could just be a fake.
UGH! If that picture is real...yuck! I have 10 two week old chicks brooding in a dog crate right now. You've convinced me PZ, I'm not letting out my ditties with no panties.
I don't know about lizards up the butt (really, I don't!), but I was subjected to the wonderful world of the divorce attorney once. I wonder if that's comparable.
A similar incident took place recently in the town of Kajaani, Northern Finland, where a three-centimeter key was found inside a chicken egg.
Has there been any mention about what the source of the egg is? I know that one of the tricks that some psychics use is to surreptitiously insert a gecko or other small lizard into an eggs as part of a cleansing ritual. Of course, they claim that the gecko appearing in the egg is part of their "magic," but the trust is that they prepared the egg in question.
So I guess what I'm getting at is that could it be that this is one of those eggs, and not a lizard crawling into the nether reaches of the chicken?
And here is another "What are the odds" moment. Brought to you by your very disgusting breakfast.
did the chick masturbate or what
if two women can get married, how long will it before before A PARAKEET AND A DOG CAN GET MARRIED? - EntoAggie
You know, I never liked it when my school maths textbooks dressed up math problems in natural language like this - can't you just state it as a set of PDEs?
Oh, the abomination. When will they start allowing marriage for PYGMIES + DWARVES?
I'm surprized nobody mentioned "Jurassic Park" yet. _I_ think there was a mix-up at the egg producer and one of the eggs from the experimental breeding program in the basement lab got out. THIS HAS TO BE STOPPED! Apparently they are doing their development using geckos, and we all know that geckos are famous for the occurrence of hermaphrodites and of parthenogenesis, not to mention that the sex of the offspring is determined by incubation temperature, not genetics! What will happen when they start doing the experiments with raptor DNA? You'll be cracking-up an omlette, and the last egg you open will REALLY be your last! Grab the pitchforks and torches - we have to DO something!
http://www.pangeareptile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4382
http://www.uga.edu/srelherp/lizards/hemgar.htm
Meanwhile in cdesign proponentist HQ: 'Expelled is a failure, let's stick this gecko up a hen's chuff. That'll convince them!'
It's a basilisk! Don't look at its eyes!
Mmmmmm. Basiliskicious.
twitterwill - You do realize that whatever standard of Biblical "knowledge" you demand must also be applied to every other sacred text belonging to any other religion, right? Do you know them all inside and out? Then shut up.
#12: "I must've pushed her to the limits, because usually her arguments are a twa more sophisticated"
Is one of those words missing a terminal 't' or did you have something else in mind?!!
#31: ""Another" reason? What was the first one, again? "
Well you know that the first thing they do if you're in a serious accident is to examine your underwear. If you're not wearing any, what on Earth are they going to find to talk about?
Wasn't there a few similar cases in New York City back in the '80s involving humans and hamsters (or was it gerbils)? Was there any evidence of duct (duck?) tape on the gecko?
Armageddon?
Variation on joke @ #22:
An animal with a cloaca doesn't know whether it's coming, or going.
There was a story once about a duck that apparently swallowed a golf ball, which eventually came out the other end covered in a shell.
duct (duck?) tape
Duck tape is correct. Invented by the army as a waterproof tape for ammo boxes. Used on duct's it is absolutely the worst tape possible. Even cellophane tape works better on ducts.
As for the gecko-in-the-egg story: interesting.
rather like the old tale of a mouse in a beer bottle, only true.
as for the religious person attempting the thread-jack:
Uh, ok.
so, some guy here wants to argue knowledge of a 2000-odd year old book. Uh, you do realize that said volume is posted on the Internet, and that this forum is on the internet?
You know... that place where they have them there search engine thingies ?
SteveM (#67): Thanks. Didn't know that. When I was a whitewater raft guide, we used it for temporary repairs on raft bladders and, in an emergency (we did this once with for an individual coming close to hypothermia) to start a fire (it will burn even when wet). We even used it once to tape together a fiberglass Old Town kayak which had been bent around a small rock.
Looks like somebody's lost a spokesbeast.
When I'd heard the GEICO Gecko was touring zoos, I dinnae think he'd get THAT up close. What a way to go.
What's the point? You've already posted what you think the answers are.
I'm crying fowl. The whole thing strikes me as a bit too ludicrous. a.) Where's the yolk? b.) if there was no yolk, I'm thinking there would be a slight difference in weight c.) if there was yolk, why is the butt gecko fully formed and not deteriorating?
I think there is definitely a marauding butt gecko at work, but that's not him in the pic.........
@67, et al: Duct/Duck tape
real DUCT tape is a solid metallised tape -- I can image using that on an oviduct would leave a very seventies result :)
Duck tape on the other hand is the roadies best friend (sticks everywhere, tears laterally by hand, wide enough for major cable runs, can be used as a repacement for balky latches (there's a bar to get to!))
YMMV
tony
That reminds me, I must pay my car insurance.
re: Twit's request: to refute the notion that the people commenting on this blog know the Bible better than most Christians.
first you need to verify that 'most Christians' can actually read. Then write. Then 'converse' on a blog. then you can make your comparison. Otherwise, it's a self selected population and most definitely not most christians.
Having said that, I'd be surprised if you could win, regardless: almost every poster here is adept at goggle-fu, so irrespective of specific knowledge would whup ass.
toodles.
tony
Public restrooms, especially those near shopping mall pet stores, are a complete no-no.
Obligatory OT: In women's restrooms, the reason it's sometimes nasty to sit on the toilet seat is because too many idjits refuse to sit on the toilet seat.
In an ideal world where every female restroom patron(ess) would just sit on the @#&$*& toilet seat, it would stay dry, and not contact that wasn't cleaner than most people's hands. In the current imperfect world, where inconsiderate mothers still probably tell their little girls to suspend themselves over the seat without touching it, the user sprays urine all over the seat, her underwear, her shoes, and the floor.
Ladies, SIT ON THE DAMN SEAT. If you don't want your butt cheeks to touch it, use the seat covers. If there are no seat covers, put down a couple of pieces of toilet paper first. Sheesh. Don't make my gecko come over there.
Are you "most Christians"? If not, even if you "win", how would that disprove the notion?
re: 76. the reason it's sometimes nasty to sit on the toilet seat is because too many idjits refuse to sit on the toilet seat
I have to agree, but with regards to 'family' restrooms. I repfer to take my daughter to family restrooms if possible (more room, for one thing) but I'm appalled by the frequency of pee on the floor, on the seat, everywhere...
why can't people leave a restroom the way they'd like to see it? no fucking cosideration, that's what!
strangely - men's restrooms tend to be better regarding the seat... but that's about all! I refuse to enter a stall if I need to flush the damn lav!
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this image is a hoax, there is no way you can grow an embryo without a yolk sac a vitelline membrane etc. which remain stuck to he shell, in addition if the embryo is so small ther should remain yolk
Re #36
A truly intelligent designer, if intending that marriage be solely for procreation, could have set it up so that humans become fertile only after an exchange of vows. It seriously wouldn't have been that hard to do, either. Just hook up some additional neural circuitry linking the part of the speech center responsible for generating the phrase "I do" (or maybe the sensorimotor cortex area that maps to the base of the ring finger) to the hypothalamus, and presto, teen pregnancy becomes impossible!
Given that the designer obviously did no such thing, what does that tell us about his intent?
(BTW, we are only halfway to basilisk, since that critter has to hatch from a rooster egg, if my memory serves. . . .)
#72 and #79, you folks are seriously confused about what is shown here.
The egg has been cracked and emptied. The dead lizard is adhering to the empty shell. Read PZ's explanation again; it makes sense.
Wow. Another person obsessed with sex sex sex, and making babies. Under his guidance, postmenopausal women, infertile couples, and those who prefer to adopt should probably just get divorced right now. After all, *marriage* is only for baby-makin'. As opposed to, you know, having certain legal benefits, being recognized as a family unit in the eyes of the law, the psychological aspect, etc. Nope, just about that good ol' sperm and egg union, which also CANNOT POSSIBLY HAPPEN outside of marriage. Pshaw
It's not just Jacoby. It's the New York Court of Appeals as well.
Partially buried in the shell in fact. This whole thing both amuses me and makes me squirm.
Also makes me wonder if some enterprising company is going to start seeding chickens like oyserts for pearls only wiht breakfast foods.
All this talk of ducts is causing me to have a 'Brazil' moment.
Bobby "Tuttle" Earle
Okay, mechanistically, fine, but:
Why the hell would the gecko go up there?
It's not like an open cave--he'd have to push his way in and up.
Something's not right here.
Arrest that guy for sexually abusing his chickens.
If Pharyngula readers have trouble remembering to attire themselves in the proper foundation garments, I have concocted a little song to help them: (To the tune of "Jealousy")
"The Underwear Tango"
Underwear!
Always wear clean Underwear!
Into a bus you'll blunder,
And you'll be torn assunder!
Then you'll be glad you're wearing Underwear!
So your bottom isn't bare,
You'd be embarassed,
And what would Mother say?
(It'd ruin her day)
Well, that's just the verse, there's a "bridge" too, but it should be enough, don't you think?
The essential function of marriage is to unite male and female. That is the only kind of union that can produce new life
And therefore, should be the most closely regulated, perhaps even banned!
The essential function of marriage is to unite male and female. That is the only kind of union that can produce new life
There is a group of whiptail lizards at the door who would like to have a word with you.
I guess Jeff Jacoby never went to high school prom...Marriage is definitely not the only union to produce life.
I don't really get that whole "marriage is only for having children" argument. Does anyone really think that restricting the definition of marriage will produce more child-bearing families?
"Well, I can't get married to the man/woman I actually love, so I guess I will give up this whole 'homosexual lifestyle choice' and have some kids! Oops, but get married first, obviously! Thanks, Jeff Jacoby!"
It's so sad, I thought we'd be past that crap in the northeast. Alas, even the Boston Globe pays people to be ignorant.
it's not that "marriage is only for having children" but that women should only have babies for jeebus(tm)
obviously, to make sure those lyin' whorin' jezebels do the right thing means locking them down tying them up in binding them joining them in matrimony
tony :)
They will have to wait in line. The amoebas and Bdelloid rotifers are ahead of them.
I don't recall my cat's mother being married either for that matter.
Whenever I see a rant about the US goin down the t00bz, I always hear statistics about "out of wedlock births". Is that valid criteria? I don't see anything wrong with babies born outside of a marriage.
My personal, highly scientific opinion is:
EWWWW!!!
raven, that's too funny - I actually typed "bdelloid rotifers", then switched it out for the lizards. So many parthenogenic species, so little time!
So, if I had a picture of an IceMouse inside an ostrich egg shell half, what would the IDiots make of that?
Well, about the time I read that, I realized that's no commenter, that's the damn Loch Ness monster!
Magic Mormon Underwear™?
Everyone remembers chicken suits, right? There were all the internet buzz a while back:
http://www.chickenssuit.com/english/the_story/
Did anyone else hear about the mob in Kenya that murdered 11 "wizards and witches"? They're calling it the worst such incident in many years.
Now you know why the chicken crossed the road... I mean, come on! If I had a gecko up my butt, I would have run barefeet from here to hereafter!!
I don't think the photo is a faithful image of the suggested event(s). After all, it is a lot easier to put a small lizard carcass in an empty egg shell than it is to satisfy all of the problems of the suggested event(s).
And always remember this, kids!
Semper ubi sub ubi.
I'm surprised the thread went on for so long with no mention of Subservient Chicken. I'm not sure what Subservient Chicken would do with a request to "insert a gecko into your oviduct", but hey, that's what empirical research is for!
Isn't it?
I recall reading about someone inserting little paper messages into the body cavity of laying hens. The eggs would be like fortune cookies.
There is a problem with inserting radio tracking transmitters into the body cavity of channel catfish. The catfish will grow the intestine around the transmitter, get it inside the intestine, and defecate it. This seems improbable and was not understood for some time. Researchers kept finding their transmitters on the bottom of the pond with no clue as to how they got there.
Nah, getting the Gecko in the chook was easy - its the Goanna that is giving me the problems now!
Oh, man, my multipurpose vent aches just thinking about that one.
HJ
Now I know where the Australianism, clacker, came from. As in "I'm going to boot you right up the clacker", or "You're a pain in the clacker".
Cloaca = clacker. QED. I never realised. Love those light bulb moments.
Now I've gotta hit the frog'n'toad... Have to feed the chooks...
That is really crazy! Life is something serious. Anything can happen in this world.
Ya know, chickens that could climb walls and run across the ceiling would be pretty neat... unless you were a chicken wrassler that is (or whatever they're called).
I do find it suspicious that there's no mention of the rest of the egg's insides. To be true, this would have had to be an egg "plus". The shell wouldn't have formed around just a suffocated gecko, right?
I have to say, geckos are a Floridian's best friend. My cat's too lazy to hunt bugs, but letting a gecko or two have the run of the house keeps the place roach-free.
Waiter! There's a ________ in my _________!
Shhhh! Everyone will want one!
I don't know - if you look at it in the right way....doesn't that gecko look like....
Jesus?
Barn Owl (#65),
There was a young man of Ghent
Whose dick was so long that it bent.
So to save himself trouble,
He put in in double.
And instead of coming he went!
woops-a-daisy (#111),
A certain young lady of Crewe
Found an elephant's wang in her stew.
Said the waiter, "Don't shout!
"And waive it about!
"Or the others will all want one too!"
Yeah ... sorry about that.
Whaddaya know! Haeckel was right! Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny!
That ain't no gecko! That's a baby iguana, haven't any of you heard about the iguana being the chicken of the tree (gallina de palo)
"A normally rational, but edging-on ID, friend once tried to argue to me that the perfect balance and intention of the universe could be seen in the fact that "a dick fits inside a pussy.""
Are you absolutely certain that arguing was what she had in mind?
That is both hilarious and disturbing. As were the comments, lol.
Oh, thanks a lot! I packed myself a hard-boiled egg as part of my lunch and sat down to read Pharyngula. I'm not quite so hungry any more...
Sili: completely excellent last line.
And for those unaware, the town of Crewe exists, it is in Cheshire in the north west of England and today is having a Parliamentary byelection in which it is widely anticipated the candidate of the governing Labour party will be slaughtered.
The teaching of evolution and separation of church and state have not been issues in this election.
This mainly shows the stupidity of chickens I feel. I would have thought that if you suddenly found a Gecko by your holiest of holies, you'd maybe move...
That eggshell looks very clean. Round here we have a variety of geckoes, of which one (the Zigzag gecko, a small species of Oedura) sometimes thinks the space between the top of a door and the lintel would make a good diurnal retreat. You open your back door next morning and a freshly-dead gecko falls on your head - Magic! Three times in the last four years (OK, not on the head every time, but once).
What if a gecko was sleeping on top of a kitchen cupboard door over where some guy put down the eggshell he'd just cracked... Anyway, 'hoax' and 'lizard crawled REALLY FAR up chicken's clacker' are not the only alternatives I can see.
the town of Crewe exists, it is in Cheshire in the north west of England and today is having a Parliamentary byelection in which it is widely anticipated the candidate of the governing Labour party will be slaughtered.
The teaching of evolution and separation of church and state have not been issues in this election. - Peter Mc
Maybe they should have been - Blair has allowed creationist rot a foothold in the school system by giving Vardy control of an Academy, and the Anglican bishops still sit in Parliament and obstruct reforms with overwhelming public support, such as medically assisted suicide. However, I've just seen the first reason to prefer Labour to the Tories for several years: voting in the Commons this week on the regulation of biomedical research and fertility treatment, including abortion, split largely along party lines despite being "unwhipped" - so if the Tories win the next election, we could be in for some serious god-bothering with women's rights and biomedical research.
Ah well - if they do win, I could be a citizen of an independent Scotland by the end of 2010!
Nick: if they do win, I could be a citizen of an independent Scotland by the end of 2010!
Something my brother-in-law & his wife (Stewart Hosie & Shona Robinson) have been working towards for years! If such comes to pass I may even be tempted to give up my house and pool and warm weather and large obnoxious vehicles to come back!
tony
Re #122 Actually, I'm "No True Scotsman", having lived in Scotland only 10 years, but I'd probably vote for independence. However, if you hear, post-independence, that I've ended up having to appeal against internment or explusion as an enemy (English) alien, please get Stewart and Shona on my case!
Nick: Having shared many a dinner table with them, believe me... you do NOT want them on your case ;)
tony
ps. Sorry guys ;););)
"...or one that was profoundly lost."
man, what an understatement, gah!
@#30 Dennis N --
I really don't get this argument, despite having heard it time and again:
Try changing this to:
Hmmmm.....
Hey, cloaca is Latin for sewer so I can't believe some magical thinker hasn't posited that this is god's way of confirming (in his usuall roundabout way) that alligators really are in sewers. And no, the gecko doesn't look like Jesus, it's clearly and ALIEN gecko. The eyes! Don't look into the eyes!
Dang my llll sticks, no, really I can spel.
Turgecken?
Though no turkey is present.
Way to piss of the vegans - politician bbq. Still, as a way to remove an incumbent it seems a little extreme...
Wait just one damn bloody minute! Are gecko's really from Australia?
I've got three Australorps amoung my Wyondottes, Barred Rocks and Rhode Island Reds. They are two weeks old - but I don't want any gecko's in my future eggs. You Aussies gotta get some warning stickers on those chick's asses! ;)
Wait just one damn bloody minute! Are gecko's really from Australia?
AFAIK, geckos have a pretty global distribution (including Australia), and they are quite a large family, lizardwise.
No wonder one of the younger ones moved out to go shack up with some chick.
No wonder one of the younger ones moved out to go shack up with some chick.
LOL
hey, have you ever TRIED to get a gecko to wear a condom?
talk about not believing in contraceptives.
And then an acorn fell on the chicken's head. She moaned and the gecko's last words were...
A gecko crawled way up my butt!
I'll tell you, 'twasn't funny.
My egg no longer has a yolk
Whose up side could be sunny.
Uncomfy's really not the word
I'd use to tell the tale.
No matter how I squawked and squirmed,
That gecko did prevail.
He crawled around my oviducts
And munched my progeny.
But evolution never can
'Splain his phylogeny.
He got himself inside my egg
Before I got the shell on.
He ate the insides all clean out,
And made it his new dwellin'.
My egg contained a creature that
Had ne'er been seen before.
It was a little "gecken" babe
Who caused such a furor.
But gecken, sadly, didn't live
To see the light of morn.
His egg was cracked for breakfast,
Just before the kid got born.
I've heard of* a woman passing a new-born snake after getting frisky in the lake (the doctor didn't tell her it was a snake, not wanting her to freak out), so why not a gecko up a chicken's hoo-ha?
*From a biology grad student whose professor provided the second opinion on the non-worm-ness of the pass-ee for the doctor.