Edward Current must be a highly trained theologian

We needed his deep insight to understand the plane crash on the Hudson river, and the media response to it.

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Edward Current is the Poe master.

By Reginald Selkirk (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

The problem with Mr. Current's "theory" is that we can be 100% sure that Satan had nothing to do with the Hudson river landing (though Satan may have had something to do with tthe flying geese), but we can't be 100% sure that Satan had nothing to do with the more tragic events mentioned by Mr. Current. Checkmate. Nice try though from Mr. Current! God bless him for tryin!

By anointynoit386sx (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I hope the pilot appears on TV saying "screw God; it was me who landed the plane".It's the same with medical doctors. They have every right to be pissed off when they fix someone and the first thing people say is "thank God".

"gravityism"=win

"... the laws of gravityism..."

love that one

Waaaaait a minute! Is he saying that it wasn't a miracle?

Even the good old left-wing editorial cartoonist for the McClatchy newspapers fell into line with the God-praise. The plane was saved by "God's hands".

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Sadly, this kind of logic really does seem sound to a great number of people.

the geese had free will
but the pilot was divinely inspired
priceless!

For all those who may not get it... Edward Current is an atheist... and a brilliant satirist. Check out his u-tube channel. For the unpleasant revelation that christianity does not have a monopoly on morons... that there are plenty of atheist morons, too... check out the comments to Current's videos.

Posted by: Matt Heath | January 19, 2009 10:19 AM

I hope the pilot appears on TV saying "screw God; it was me who landed the plane".It's the same with medical doctors. They have every right to be pissed off when they fix someone and the first thing people say is "thank God".

That's why at least one in two doctors should have House's attitude towards patients. "'Thank god'? "God's the one that gave it to her!"

What happened to "Not a sparrow falls ..."?

Well ... I guess a goose is not a sparrow.

This is obviously satire, folks. You're missing the point. I laughed my ass off. My favorite: Tragicle.

I heard a survivor saying that there were angels on that plane, & she was an eye witness, obviously, so it must've been.

And it wasn't Yahweh who saved those folk, (unless he ordered the angels to help out, but if that's the case, why didn't he clear the geese to save the trouble before it happened? Maybe because he wanted to put the fear of himself up somebody, or bugger-up the airline schedules for the day, or screw someone's connecting flight. Well, the fecker does move in mysterious ways).

But seriously, it'd save a whole load of trouble if more people realized that chance events are simply that - chance.

By Richard Harris (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Would that be the same God they're thanking, who put the birds in the path of the aeroplane in the first place? Anyway, everything about the incident is perfectly explainable by the laws of nature.

It was a European-designed Airbus plane, which are designed to be able to float if landed in water. And the pilot was an experienced glider pilot.

Aeroplanes do not "defy the laws of gravity" -- rather, they play off two forces against one another. Anyone who understands that pressure * volume = a constant ought to grasp the principle; the air above the wing has further to travel than the air underneath, it expands and so exerts less pressure. Hence there's a force pushing upwards.

An aeroplane without functioning engines is to all intents and purposes a glider. Landing a glider isn't an easy job compared to landing an aeroplane, precisely because you have no way to correct if you slow down too much.

To suggest even for one moment that a magical sky fairy was somehow responsible for the safe landing of the aeroplane is not only to belittle the hard work of everyone at Airbus and the flight crew, but also to insult the memory of those whose deaths inspired aircraft designers to incorporate modern safety features.

I think Tony's a Poe.

how do you spell credulous?

By Porco Dio (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

@3 Ha... It was all Satan. Several of the individuals saved in this satanic miracle were on their way to commit heinous crimes in Charlotte, and God put that flock of birds in the way to stop them. Alas, due to Satan's intervention they survived to carry out their nefarious deeds.

By TheOracle (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Andyo: It would be nice if I could think of a character on TV (in any country) who told the same truths as House without being a dick.

It's so easy, don't you see? If there are survivors it's because of their god's love. If none survive they will tell you their "God's Ways Are Inscrutable"... Either way, they win.

I really like this guy.

Poe. My meter first tripped at the bit about the three dictionaries... look at it again. And real wackos don't do snark that well.

Matt,

The main character on The Mentalist. Though funny enough, not nearly as hilarious as good Greg. By the way, the other 1 out of 2 should be Wilson.

I wonder what the godbots have to say about the evangelical church in Brazil that collapsed the other day in the middle of a service, leaving 7 dead and over 50 injured? Evidence for God's wacky sense of humour perhaps? Or is the Almighty really on the side of the Catholics and just taking the opportunity to smite some heretics?

By Dave Hughes (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

It must have been a stromg tornado that blew through the junk yard that created that airplane!

By Naughtius Maximus (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Chris | January 19, 2009 10:39 AM

It's so easy, don't you see? If there are survivors it's because of their god's love. If none survive they will tell you their "God's Ways Are Inscrutable"... Either way, they win.

Well, they have had a few thousand years to iron out those sorts of details on that con job.

why didn't he clear the geese to save the trouble before it happened?

It's simple, really. God put those geese there to disable the plane so he could test the passengers. The passengers prayed hard enough, so they passed the test and were saved. If it had been a plane full of atheists, they would have screwed.

Naughtius Maximus It must have been a stromg tornado that blew through the junk yard that created that airplane!

Well, that's a very stupid idea. Aircraft are designed by engineers, but I thought that everyone knew that.

By Richard Harris (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Phew! It is a Poe after all. I was getting more and more outraged at the blatant fundie stupidity until the 'God doesn't control birds' statement at about 1:35. This set my Poe Alarm ringing and I had to stop and check the comments. Now I can go back and enjoy listening to the rest. I do wonder, however, how many fundies will take this at face value.

SteveN

Daft Greg, ...they would have screwed.

Shit themselves, more like.

By Richard Harris (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Yeah, this is the PrayerMax 5000 guy

While I sympathize with him completely, I've always found him to be not quite funny enough.

This video was quite good though, and the word "Tragicle" is my new favorite word! Brilliant! Finally we have a word that can remind the nutjobs that they can't have their cake and eat it too - if God gets the credit for the good, then....

By Frederik Rosenkjær (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Thank god for this... and that!

It was adequately summed up a year or so ago after a twister that struck a township somewhere in the bible belt...(where in America is it not bible belt?) and it caught a young mother and her son...deposited them a few hundred feet further on and Mum was killed outright but her son survived...
On the News channel the uncle was 'prasin de lawd' fit ta burst because his nephew was divinely delivered for the claws of death...

'It is a miracle and god was responsible...praise god...!' he beamed happily...not a word about his poor sister or the fact that his god blessed 5 year old nephew is now motherless...'praise de lawd!'

How many godbots would not bat an eye at master Ed Currant's piece of information?...and that is a real tragical!

By strangest brew (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

The term "tragicle" is indeed incredibly useful, and indispensable for theodicy. (For that matter, most of the divine intervention in the Old Testament can be described as tragicles, given how smite-y they tend to be.)

Hallelujah, it's a tragicle!

So if the plane went down and all were killed, the morons will probably say that their god was testing them. How the hell would they know they were being tested if they are freaking dead? My comments lie with Matt Heath @ #4, and if I was ever in a similiar situation where I survived and other did not, I would scowl, "what god and where was that dead person's god when it needed it"? How about those dead Brazilians whose own god's house roof caved in on them and left many more injured? "Okay, I'll take you and you, and leave you next thirty, now you with the baby, you're next". Utter insanity that Silver Fox is only capable of explaining.

"I don't give a hoot what Webster says"

LOL

By Don Smith, FCD (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Posted by: SteveN | January 19, 2009 10:53 AM

Phew! It is a Poe after all. I was getting more and more outraged at the blatant fundie stupidity until the 'God doesn't control birds' statement at about 1:35.

Webster didn't do it? Time to change that Poe alarm's battery.

I felt they did a good job of giving the pilot credit for his skills.

Methinks anyone on the plane that insists 'twasgodwotdidit' should be automatically required to land the next aviation emergency single handedly with god for their co-pilot! ;-)

By strangest brew (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Parody, folks. My favorites:

"it's a miracle that planes can defy the supposed laws of gravityism" and "tragical".

For reasons that will remain undisclosed, I've seen other videos by this guy, and they all strike me as a parody. I don't believe he is being serious, but hey, I refuse to believe that people can as stupid as to believe in ID, and I'm often proven wrong...

Did anyone really have any doubt that this wasn't blatant satire? If you did, all I have to say is "wow".

By Turing E. (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

"Edwin Current is a genuine gift from god"

One hopes that God has a generous return policy.

"Bird Free Will" I love it!
That's what this site is all about, the wonders of nature.

By Lucky, Montana (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

When Hurricane Ike came through Houston, most substantial structures were left standing, unless they had a steeple.

I did not see a steeple left standing anywhere, and when Gawd takes his steeples back a good portion of the roofs goes to heaven as well.

It was the Ike Carrumba magical tragicle steeple people sweepul

The Hudson Miracle

Chorus:

All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful,
The Lord God made them all.

Each little flower that opens,
Each little bird that sings,
God made them hit an Airbus,
And broke its shiny wings...
(chorus etc.)

By Richard W (Sus… (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I loves me some Edward Current! Those of you calling Poe are correct, but don't be too embarrassed if you didn't pick up on the satire at first -- he is very, very good at this. I've been enjoying his videos for a while now...the evolution ones especially are hilarious.

Tragicles are God's way of saying he hates us.

He is very goddamn funny! Tragicle! The doesn't give a hoot about Webster is not only when I caught on, but almost pissed my pants laughing!

By firemancarl (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I feel sorry for those geese. They were minding their own business and some jet flies right into them.

The brain-dead Christians who called the successful crash landing a miracle are insulting the pilot. It was his fast thinking under pressure and his skills that saved everyone's life. The Christian god fairy didn't have anything to do with it.

I've been a big fan of Edward Current for a long time. I like the way he ridicules religious insanity.

Very funny, but mostly people read 'Hudson Miracle' as a figure of speech meaning 'very unlikely good outcome on Hudson'. Nothing to do with the supernatural.

I am ashamed to admit that I missed that it was satire. I was working up an indignant froth at the sheer stupidity and then I started reading the posts. Ah well, thankfully if I am in the mood for fundamentalist stupidity, you can still find collected here quicker than a goose can get sucked into an engine. Thanks fellow readers for setting me strait on this one.

Dave @ 25
"I wonder what the godbots have to say about the evangelical church in Brazil that collapsed the other day in the middle of a service, leaving 7 dead and over 50 injured?"

I guess I would be considered a godbot. I think some one built a bad roof. God's not a roofer; he's not going to prop up every flimsy roof on earth. If you have bad wiring, the building is likely to catch fire. God's not an electrician. Could God intercede to see that those things don't happen - yes; is he going to - probably not.

By Silver Fox (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

It sounds much more interesting when mixed with Takemitsu's serialist soundtrack to the film Black Rain playing at the same time.

By Joe Shelby (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I love Edward videos. They mock
religious wackos in miraclous ways.
I wonder if i can made it into Fox News...
Im sure they would call him a terrorist.

By Lord Zero (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Excellent poe. he had me going until he said "gravityism", still wasn't sure (I took the oxford dictionary ref and webster in stride - didn't see webster himself till the second viewing) then the "birds have free will".

I agree. Tragicle is great. I have heard that dictionary compilers collect their new words if they see them used some threshold number of times in the mainstream press in the previous year (I think they target a select number of these publications). Maybe we should be writing more letters to these media outlets to force words like tragicle into dictionaries. I would also like to nominate fucktard (not sure that will make most dictionaries).

By Peter McKellar (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

@54...

Great, now PETA will be calling for the end of air travel, due to the chance it might harm birds...

By Wiley Post (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I would also like to nominate fucktard (not sure that will make most dictionaries).

With a picture of Kent Hovind next to the entry!

By Don Smith, FCD (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Oops, forgot the linky. NB: NSFW!

By Don Smith, FCD (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

God's not a roofer; he's not going to prop up every flimsy roof on earth. If you have bad wiring, the building is likely to catch fire. God's not an electrician. Could God intercede to see that those things don't happen - yes; is he going to - probably not.

If you saw your beloved child's house had a flimsy roof and bad wiring, knew that such would eventually kill them, and it was in your power to prevent it, would you? Wouldn't we think that any parent who didn't do so didn't really love their children?

OK - this guy had me going for a while. He was going to get my standard "Whatafuckingnutjob" title. Then, I read DuckPhup (#11) and his comment on Edward Current being a comic, and this stuff being sarcastic.

Edward Current has a new fan. Check out some of his YouTube videos.

And in the bizarre case that he is really serious, but Suchafuckingnutjob that his spewage becomes funny when viewed as being sarcasm? Well, that's scary (but still funny).

By Tom Woolf (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Theists really debase the whole idea of "miracle" by slapping it on incidents like this. If the flight crew had been absent, incapacitated or dead (I suppose that would be EXTREMELY incapacitated...)with the plane still ditching safely, then I might think it was miraculous (assuming there was no automatic or remote landing capability (like in the one-off flight of the Soviet shuttle Buran). Otherwise, no miracle here. If the plane had not landed quite so gently and broken up, resulting in fatalities, as long as there were survivors, there would still be claims of "miracle". Hell, even if it had plunged into the river there would have been those who would have said "thank God it didn't crash in the city". Miracles all around. Pretty elastic standards for miraculous if you ask me.

By Your Name's No… (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Posted by: Matt Heath | January 19, 2009 10:19 AM
I hope the pilot appears on TV saying "screw God; it was me who landed the plane".It's the same with medical doctors. They have every right to be pissed off when they fix someone and the first thing people say is "thank God".

---

Amen. I've said for a long time that if I were a cop, firefighter, lifeguard, or some such, and I had just used my underpaid skills (the "underpaid" part might not apply to veteran pilots), risking life and limb in the process, to save someone for a horrible death, and then they turned around and gave the credit to an invisible guy in the sky, I'd throw them back in whatever I'd just pulled them out of.

Edward Current said "gravityism". He's probably ridiculing Christians who call evolution "evolutionism".

Ismism is the rhetorical habit of appending
'ism' to things that don't normally have such a
suffix. Ismismism is the school of thought
which encourages ismism.

By Clevis Linchpin (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I should read the comments first. I was the 5th person to write about the gravityism.

#20 Matt Heath. I work in an ER. My wife has called me a mix between House and Becker. I crack the heads of those that thank god after I have rendered all to human and secular relief. I even had a patient tell me that I reminded her of House. Then she went on to say she was "in love with House". God does work in Mysteriacle ways.

Simply because an event is referred to as a "miracle" doesn't mean that people are attributing it to god. It's not uncommon for the term to be used to describe a fortunate or lucky occurrence, such as a pilot being able to successfully crash-land a plane with no serious injury to any of the 155 people on board. When the press is specifically mentioning god, I think you have a right to be annoyed, but not when they simply use the term "miracle."

Posted by: BobC | January 19, 2009 12:22 PM

Edward Current said "gravityism". He's probably ridiculing Christians who call evolution "evolutionism".

In another video, he called us all gravityists.

Richard Harris:

Daft Greg, ...they would have screwed.
Shit themselves, more like.

Oops, that should have read: they would have been screwed.

By Daft Greg (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Silver Fox @ # 57 Could God intercede to see that those things don't happen - yes; is he going to - probably not.

Well, I guess that beats bumming around smiting people for no good reason. (It's all in the Old Testament.) But I still think he's a nasty fecker. Heck, isn't it a criminal act to just stand by & let something bad happen to someone who you could have helped?

By Richard Harris (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I'm sorry, but "gravity-ism"?!?!?!?! straight away that tells me this guy's opinion, facts and point-of-view can be thrown right out the window. screw you Eddie-boy.

@dj357

So are yew one o' them agravityists?

If you saw your beloved child's house had a flimsy roof and bad wiring, knew that such would eventually kill them, and it was in your power to prevent it, would you? Wouldn't we think that any parent who didn't do so didn't really love their children?

Yeah, but what is God supposed to do about it? It's not like he is omnipotent or anything, is he? Oh, wait...

Theists like to use a bike-riding analogy to excuse God's behavior. It goes something like, "When you teach your child to ride a bike, you sometimes let them crash."

Yes, that's true, but that's because WE AREN'T OMNIPOTENT!!!!! You think that if I could effectively teach my son to ride a bike without letting him crash and get hurt, I wouldn't do it in a heartbeat? (training wheels aren't a great way to teach one how to ride a bike) Only a sadist would let them crash when they had the ability to achieve the goal without them having to get hurt.

But that's God for you.

Actually, the problem is that those making this argument never really think it through. It's the old "Argument from a non-omnipotent (potent?) God."

Edward Current is a parody. How can anyone possibly think he's serious?

BTW I'm adding the word "Tragicle" to my vocabulary. That was brilliant.

Yup, “tragicle” is definitely a keeper.

By Emmet, OM (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I was in the gym yesterday and ended up on a machine next to the Fox "New" cable channel. They had a faithhead who claimed that this was an intervention by God. He also pointed out that bad things happen to people to get them refocused on God.

Looks like the Invisible Sky Pixy can cover all the bases.

'Pretty elastic standards for miraculous if you ask me'

It would seem that the afflicted have to be elastic in their conference of 'miracles'... otherwise they are on a hiding to nothing...the idea is to claim stuff as miraculous that had a good to middling chance of panning out as it was...great flying by a pilot...but he had gliders license at the least...heard he was an instructor.... and the experience to handle the situation...obviously...
But tis easy to claim divine intervention...simply cos it seems an impossible feat...

Funny that other stuff is relegated to natural phenomena...now't to do with a deity and not gods concern...

Mass murder...Tsunami's...Terrorism...Traffic accidents...Church roofs collapsing on the faithful...etc etc.

And other stuff like life saving surgery ...goes AC/DC...if the patient lives it is god's miracle...if the patient dies they were very ill anyway!...and sometimes the claim is raised that god took them because he is a loving god!

Tis any which way that happens to suit....but in order to accomplish the sleight of arrogance 'Miracles 'are deemed to be anything they think they can get away with!

By strangest brew (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

That was awesome, love this guy... still not as good as the Prayer Max 5000 though. I am so working 'tragicle' into my vocabulary today - and I'm doing a big, important, expensive experiment that is just begging to be screwed up, so it may not be too difficult.

I find Current's videos to be mostly tedious.

The only part I enjoyed on this one is where he said "that's all for now" just before the end.

By NewEnglandBob (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

None of this is a miracle. You know what's a miracle? A miracle is a plane piloted by a large fuzzy blue animated monster voiced by John Goodman. That's a real miracle.

You go, Sully!

Trained? He got hit by a train? When?

By Quiet Desperation (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

*snort* that was awesome. My Poe alarm was ringing all the way from the "gravityism", but the "tragicle" made it obvious

Thanks to all upthread for pointing out this was satire. I wondered about that, but after seeing a number of Pastor Swank links at Sadly,No! and similar over the past several years, it's easy for me to assume that even the most batsh*t insane pronouncements from the loony religious community are sincere expressions of belief. [Or, insane pronouncements meant to be taken seriously in an effort to con the gullible.]

By the way, another clue is in his e-mail address shown at the end - ejc@pisspoor.com. If you go to http://pisspoor.com, you will find links to Eddie Current's MySpace page and YouTube channel. (Pretty funny photo on that page too, if you look closely.)

I am so working 'tragicle' into my vocabulary today

Someone pissed me off this morning, so I kicked him in the tragicles.

By Quiet Desperation (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I shouldn't read this site first thing in the morning. When I heard the word "tragicle" coffee nearly came out of my nose.

I shouldn't read this site first thing in the morning. When I heard the word "tragicle" coffee nearly came out of my nose.

Bah, I got to that point when he asked why anyone cared what Webster (Emmanuel Lewis) had to say.

That was funny.

I think PZ's title for the post threw off some of his more worshipful minions. I'm doing a mental double-take thinking about how secularists were fooled by a satirical secularist doing a parody of religion. WTF?

PZ's solemn and grave sounding title certainly threw me. I was going to make the first post and give old Edward what for.

Thank Christ I didn't - not only would that have been embarrassing, it would have been quite tragicle!

Curiously, it was an early 'father' of the Catholic Church, (St.) Augustine (354-430 CE, Bishop of Hippo), who wrote against such intellectually lax attribution: "We must be on our guard against giving interpretations which are hazardous or opposed to science, and so exposing the work of God to the ridicule of unbelievers." And, also: "Miracles happen, not in opposition to Nature, but in opposition to what we know of Nature." Of course, that was back when the Church was at least trying to maintain an air of propriety, and long before the concept/dogma of 'infallibility'; things have gone seriously downhill since then.

Wow. I'm pretty amazed at the number of people who thought this guy was for real. Blatantly obvious satire right from the start. He had me cracking up the whole way through. Makes me feel sorry for those secularists/atheists who didn't evolve with a sense of humor. They're missing out.

By JoeKSparta (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

As I moved my mouse over to the video, I wondered why PZ would sponsor the amount of clicks his site generates to a religious nutter.
But then I watched the video and had a good laugh :)

*What Webster would say...*

i don't think this is satire.

but to make sure i am going to order the prayermax 5000 and pray for enlightenment. and for a solid gold jet. and an island.

can anyone loan me the 6 easy payments of $69.99? i could get a solid gold jet for you too!

I got that it was satire pretty quickly- his tone of voice is too snarky! But I enjoyed it.

I didn't get the Webster joke. Is it a particularly US-flavoured joke (I'm a brit) or is it just something I should've known anyway?

By Faintpraise (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

There was a TV show in the 80s called "Webster," starring Emmanuel Lewis (the little kid in the video) and former Detroit Lions player Alex Karras. It was a knock-off of "Different Strokes," both being shows about a white guy who adopts a cute black kid and the hijinx that insue.

Aha, thanks Pablo!
Jeez, you would've thought one Diff'rent Strokes was enough!! Don't think Webster was on over here.

By Faintpraise (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Daft Greg:

The passengers prayed hard enough, so they passed the test and were saved. If it had been a plane full of atheists, they would have screwed.

Oops, that should have read: they would have been screwed.

Nope. You got it right the first time.

Why doesn't God save helicopters from crashing when their engines go dead??

'Why doesn't God save helicopters from crashing when their engines go dead?'

Cos they is driven by Atheists methinks...or optimists seeing as they have no wings to walk on!

By strangest brew (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

The miracle wasn't that the people on the plane survived, it was that Teh Big Puppy of Ye Sky steered the birdies into it. Who weren't terrorist invaders from Canada, but pigeons. 552 of the flying rats. Teh Big Puppy of Ye Sky blogged it, so it must be teh trvth!

I'm sorry, this may sound foolish, but can someone explain POE to me? I'm sure it's something obvious, but I'm just not seeing it.
Thanks

Someone pissed me off this morning, so I kicked him in the tragicles.

[nitpicker]
Actually, his testicles only became tragicles AFTER being kicked.
[/nitpicker]

Really? Eddy Current? Seriously?

@57

I guess I would be considered a godbot. I think some one built a bad roof. God's not a roofer; he's not going to prop up every flimsy roof on earth. If you have bad wiring, the building is likely to catch fire. God's not an electrician. Could God intercede to see that those things don't happen - yes; is he going to - probably not.

A simpler explanation would be that god is not there and bad roofs result in roofs falling down and bad wiring results in houses burning.

No need to complicate things with invisible sky fairies.

revpjack: Poe's Law states that it is impossible to make a parody of fundamentalism that cannot be reasonably mistaken for the real thing, basically because you can't come up with anything crazier than what they already believe in. Sometimes applied to other groups (particularly creationists, but of course there's a lot of overlap there).

By Midnight Rambler (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

@18 "how do you spell credulous?"

I don't know. It's not in any dictionary.

Thus spoke the Raven, "Nevermore"

Sorry

AJS @ 15

Aeroplanes do not "defy the laws of gravity" -- rather, they play off two forces against one another. Anyone who understands that pressure * volume = a constant ought to grasp the principle; the air above the wing has further to travel than the air underneath, it expands and so exerts less pressure. Hence there's a force pushing upwards

Common misunderstanding. That is not how planes fly. Check this link. http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/airflylvl3.htm

By Blind Squirrel FCD (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

GOD HATES GEESE!

Apparently, even if you'd not previously heard of this guy, there were some easy clues that this was parody. The 'Webster's' mention, I believe, was one of them. Some of us are not from America and so we should be forgiven for being slightly gullible in this case. As a poster above mentioned, it really is getting more and more difficult to discern what's Poe and what's just poe-faced.

It is, of course, somewhat obvious how this could really have been a miracle, the river could have turned into a runway - but it didn't, because God's just a big tease.

On another note, 'tragicles' could make a good meme - if George Bush hadn't already cornered the market.

Fulovbulschitz!

PZ, et al., I am not the only one who recognized that the fulminant relious references to "Thank god" were legit!

Thank 'god' indeed! What a bunch of crock!

Bottom line: Thank this piolot's ability (akucky arse) to be talented aka lucky, ala educated/talented/lucky!

Hindsight (for all of you religiously inclined) is better than foresight.

By LeeLeeOne (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Poe's law in action. If I hadn't watched all the way up to the 'Tragicle' bit I'd have had no way of knowing that this was a spoof.

I had a discussion with a fundamentalist Christian woman a few weeks ago. She started talking about how amazing it is that god created all these wonderful things for us, because he could have made existence awful, lacking in things such as: puppies, fluffy things, good food, etc. I chimed in with "tooth decay." She informed me that "Not tooth decay. That's our fault. God created all the good stuff, but we sinned and brought bad stuff into the world."

So that's why it took me a few minutes to decide whether this video was real. He may be satirizing, but I'm certain that some of the people he's criticizing will nod in agreement with everything he says.

When people start banging on about miracles I'm always reminded of this quote...

"When someone is saved from certain death by a strange
concatenation of circumstances, they say it's a miracle.
But of course if someone is killed by a freak chain of
events - that must also be a miracle.
Just because it isn't nice doesn't mean it's not miraculous."
Terry Pratchett - Interesting Times

By Andrew Shepherd (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

What bull$%it! The credit and praise goes to the flight crew and cabin crew. These folks deserve cheers. Not some mythic entity.

By tripencrypt (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

"... the so-called laws of gravityism."

That's awesome. I'm so using that.

tripencrypt@125

May God's Ray of Love shine on you and show you the Wisdom of his ways. Were it not for the God-given skills of the crew there would have been more ways.

I am reminded of the story of a town in the midwest that got flooded. A family of the faithful were stranded on the roof of their home as the flood waters arose. Their neighbors came by in a rowboat and offered to take them to safety. They declined, saying the Lord would save them. Then along came a police boat to take them to safety. Once again they declined, putting their devout faith in the Lord, Our Father above.

Finally, as the water lapped at their feet a Coast Guard helicopter showed up to rescue them. For a third time they refused rescue, as the Lord would surely keep them from harm.

Finally the water rose over their heads and their spirits ascended to the Pearly Gates. There they met the Lord, and beseeched him as to why he had not answered their prayers and saved them from the flood. The Lord, The Almighty, looked down on them and said, "What do you mean? I sent two boats and a helicopter!"

By Mirror Charge (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Mirror Charge,

Funny, that's the exact same bullshit story that the catholic brothers I used to hang out with liked so much. I hope you are not being serious!

So what new word could we coin for a witness's testimony to a miracle? ;)

To anointynoit386sx, way back @3...

Actually, if you're a strict Bible interpreter, then Satan had everything to do with the crash. You see, Satan was responsible for ensuring that Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge, thus giving us the gift of reason and independent thinking.

This gift enabled us to develop and build aeroplanes. It allowed the pilot to learn how to fly a plane in the first place, as well as give him the curiosity to seek out other skills, such as learning how to fly a glider. It gave the engineers who built the plane the ability to look ahead and determine possible failure scenarios, thus designing into the plane the ability to float on water long enough to evacuate. And so on.

And, of course, as you point out, Satan put the birds in the way of the plane. Thus everything about the crash was an act of Satan, which is just as well, because acts of God aren't covered by insurance.

[nitpicker] Actually, his testicles only became tragicles AFTER being kicked. [/nitpicker]

OK.

Someone nitpicked me today, and I punted their testicles into tragicle land.

There. Better?

By Quiet Desperation (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I find it interesting that Sully's wife didn't mention "miracle" nor did she "witness" for God in the interview videos I've seen. Thus far, she seems a cut way above average and quite refreshing in that she talked about his passion for planes and his professionalism. I'll probably end up being disappointed but, so far, there's not been a pile of religious puke coming from her or Sully (the interview scheduled for today (Mon) with the wretches of the TODAY show has been postponed).

inkadu:

Why doesn't God save helicopters from crashing when their engines go dead??

If God had meant for helicopters to fly, he would have given them wings.

Actually, a helicopter's main rotor will auto-rotate if its engine fails, thus slowing its descent and allowing it to come to ground much more slowly and gracefully than most planes. (Lucky God thought of that, huh?)

If God had intended Man to fly, he'd never have let us invent the railway.

(With thanks to Michael Flanders for the quote.)

By 'Tis Himself (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Well, as an aircraft structures engineer whose job it is to ensure that aircraft are able to survive this sort of situation, does this mean I can just stay home and collect my paychecks?

The big guy's got it all covered, right?

No miracles - except the miracle of nature..

Andyo@128

Everyone knows that those heathen catholics are no christians, the cult of the pope. I am certainly not one of *them*.

That is the Glorious thing about Our Lord Above, He works through us, unseen and undetected. What appear to be the works of normal people are really His Blessings in disguise! The world is the looks the same as it would if He did not exist, but we of the True Faith know they are his Hidden Works.

By Mirror Charge (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

@139: You remind me of some other pilots who could thank god for successful Missions, the pilots of the Enola Gay.

How many blessings was in the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima? One hundred mega-blessings? And do the blessings only count if the people were vaporized instantly? If it took them several days to die from radiation, was that only a half-blessing? (What were the half-lives of those blessings?)

I call Poe's Law on Mirror Change.

Mirror Charge #139,

OK, gotcha *wink, wink*

Almost threw me there with all the unnecessary capitalizing. Well done, though Poes are really getting tiring around here.

My apologies for overdoing the Poe bit, I was aiming more for mocking derision ... but I guess that is covered under Poe as well..

By Mirror Charge (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I don't think an Airbus A320 is much of a glider. I'd guess that it glides a lot like a big stone. Oh, well, this blithering idiot isn't capable of thinking too clearly anyway.

By bigjohn756 (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Wouldnt the testicles have to survive the kicking to be considered tragicles??

By flashbazzzbo (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

bigjohn756@144

From what I've been able to find, it looks like the A320 has a glide ration of about 17, which means from 3000 feet it would travel a little under 10 miles

By Mirror Charge (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I love Edward Current. He's sooooooo funny. He and Pat Condell should do a TV special!

#57 Silver Fox

Could God intercede to see that those things don't happen - yes; is he going to - probably not.

Why not?

By Sauceress (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

Anybody else get the Google Ad "Christian Mom makes $5000/month from free U.S. government grants"? Was she "God's own welfare cheat"?

"I heard a survivor saying that there were angels on that plane ..."

It's one of those damn Nephilim--they're always looking to score with human women.

"Atheists are blaming God"

Hm..... An Atheist who blames god isn't and Atheist to begin with.

And now planes getting off the ground is a miracle. I guess miracles occur pretty often! The principle of flight can be proven using a single piece of paper but no, "It's a miracle".

I am not from the US and I know Americans are capable of amazing things but its frightening thinking that there are people so stupid with so much exposition in the world's mightiest nation. Kudos to this site and everyone else out there fighting off the raving maniacs.

By spacemonkey (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

What? God miraculously made the plane crash into the river?

Nice work buddy.

By rod dalager (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

"Miracle" is a nice short word. I would love for it to lose its religious overtones, and just come to mean a unlikely benign outcome to some event that could easily have ended in tragedy. The German equivalent is "Wunder", as in "Das Wunder von Bern", which dealt with the West German victory in the 1954 football World Cup, the "miracle" being the fact that it poured with rain for the final, which negated the fair superior talents of the Hungarian team. "Wunder" is similar to the English word "wonder", so perhaps that word could be used in place of "miracle"?
There is a German website "Die Wunder Seite" http://www.diewunderseite.de/
Now if there is a super crackpot site, this must be it. Not only does it take the various religious delusions as true, it also accepts crop circles and UFOs.

By Wayne Robinson (not verified) on 19 Jan 2009 #permalink

I forgot! Saying this was a miracle from God is practically a direct insult to the pilot, the cabin crew, the passangers and the rescue workers. Oh, and also to the people who taught these people how to do their job extremely well.

By spacemonkey (not verified) on 20 Jan 2009 #permalink

- Daft Greg, ...they would have screwed.
- Richard Harris ...Shit themselves, more like.

No, they would have screwed. It's a lot more rewarding screwing than praying.

Well, I am stunned. I was about ready to view the video and yuk it up with all the commenters....when a MIRACLE occurred. When I hit the play arrow, a little popup ad appeared at the bottome of the video:

"Christian mom makes $5,000 a month with government grants"

As Edward would say, CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS.

Edward Current is up there with Pat Condell.

By Roger Scott (not verified) on 20 Jan 2009 #permalink

I couldn't help but think, "it looks like the miracle you needed was not falling out of the tree in the first place." Seems appropriate here as well. :)

By SquidBrandon (not verified) on 20 Jan 2009 #permalink

"I don't think an Airbus A320 is much of a glider. I'd guess that it glides a lot like a big stone. Oh, well, this blithering idiot isn't capable of thinking too clearly anyway."

Where you talking about yourself? This is satire. Does the onion confuse you? Get mad at Landover baptist and whitehouse.org?

By Chris mankey (not verified) on 17 Feb 2009 #permalink