Another reaction from Carl Wieland to the Global Atheist Convention

"Atheism sucks :)"

I guess that could be a sideways umlaut. I never tire of this clip!

Another Downfall winnah!!

Theist claim that Hitler was an atheist in 3... 2... 1...

Wow. For me that's utterly pointless. Being German and able to understand every word it's really hard to concentrate on the retarded subtitles. This is just desperate.
Oh, and by the way: Melbourne, Australia is NOT called Frohnau and Pankow in German... ;-)

Paul J whined,

This is just desperate.

Um, what?
This is just a long-running internet meme.
Interesting that you put some kind of sense of importance behind it.

Paul J., this clip has become an Internet meme. (Read about it on Wikipedia if you like.)

Paul J.

Wow. For me that's utterly pointless. Being German and able to understand every word it's really hard to concentrate on the retarded subtitles. This is just desperate.

Wooooooooooooosh

Finally a believer in the bogey man in the sky has stopped saying Hilter was an Atheist and in fact he was a god fearing whack job just like the rest of them.

I'm aware of that this nonsensical subtitling is an internet meme. All I said was that it doesn't work for me, never had, and the desperation I mentioned is in regard to the fact that it's just such a crude job.
Hey, let's do something with Hitler. Oh, and since virtually nobody understands what he says (even we Germans have a hard time understanding this lunatic when he's really agitated), we can add just any other subtitle. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in any way disinclined to making fun of Hitler, even though that's still something like a taboo here in Germany, but I'd rather see it done somewhat more intelligently. Yes, memes are rarely intelligent, but this one simply doesn't work for me.

It's an OK effort but not really up there with the best of the downfalls.

I did like the recent homeopathy one better.

I can also empathise with Paul J. because I had the same problem with Blazing Saddles. Being a sidekick and able to understand Frontier Gibberish, I found Gabby Johnson's comment at the town meeting to be insightful, well-argued and articulate and so not in the least bit funny.

The kids comment at the end is a winner. As is the whole reverse-Godwin aspect of the clip. Bwahaha!

I can also understand the German, so it's a little jarring...but that's the silliness of it all. It's supposed to be a ridiculous mangling of the "translation". Even if you don't understand German, everyone knows he's not really ranting about evolution or football or whatever.

Weiland is quite the whiner.

Umm, I know I'm slow on some of this inntertubes stuff (getting too old to keep up with the hottest stars and innest jokes & I haven't seen a "Hitler meme" before) but it took a while for me to realize that Carl didn't make this - someone else made it as parody on what Carl was thinking.....
I hope that helps the other old farts out there who are a little slow on the uptake; the rest of you can get back to knowing what is going on out there.

I simply turned the sound off. :-) This has the added advantage that this way I was able to watch it in the lab!

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"Weiland is quite the whiner."

Seems to be the cretinist default mode, mind you that have little else to say, the whining is to fill, and be a place holder for, the slots in the conversation where the evidence, they all claim to be privvy to but never quite seems to make the light of day, is supposed to slide into!

And anyway only true xians can bleat martyrdom for their jeebus!

They are doing the traditional sniffle waltz tis all they can do!

"But sir, we have no evidence."
"Organize a debate, then, idiot!"

gold

And Carl Wieland Godwins all over his bad self.

Everyone:

Hitler, he had just one big ball;
Goering had two, but very small;
Himmler's were rather sim'lar;
And Geobbels had no balls at all.

Oh, and by the way: Melbourne, Australia is NOT called Frohnau and Pankow in German... ;-)

Wow, dude! You are, like, so funny!

So the Creationists are the Nazis in this video, right? Why the hell would anyone portray themselves as Nazis?

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"So the Creationists are the Nazis in this video, right? Why the hell would anyone portray themselves as Nazis?"

They struggle with the concept of metaphor...even when extremely apt!

Like the banana fiasco...they , or specifically 'Kumfart', claims that the banana has to have been designed to fit the hand.
Neatly missing the point that the hand might well of been designed for another purpose ;-) but by serendipity has found a banana is also a cozy fit!

In 'Kumfarts' case it might well be wisest to try and imagine what possible other appendage or article could the hand possibly have been designed to grasp manfully in the first place?

I am sure that even a male fundamentally dumb xian might get an inkling of certain possibilities in the morning.

One does hope that 'Kumfart' and the likes of Weiland of course, will one day follow their character and make a very apt discovery!

Then , and only then, might they realise why folks tend to the smirk rather then the awe when they pontificate on bananas!
And then they might well proceed directly to the premise that bananas have sod all to do with it!

At first I thought that this was a serious video.

But then after seeing the ratings (5 stars as of now), I got a bit skeptical and watched it.

Good thing it's really just another take on the Downfall meme.

What?

WHAT!?

He's.. he's.. He's deliberately saying he's a nazi? He can't be that dumb, can he?

I'm surprised this meme has lasted so long. And I think it's a testament to Bruno Ganz's performance that it's still impressive, even after you've watched him ranting about everything from the Xbox 360 to Michael Jackson.

I am aware of all internet traditions.

Carl Wieland had the offer from me and Rorschach to debate, why is he so afraid to debate us?!?

It is good to know that YEC-Christians think of Hitler as one of them.
I will now fight even harder against Yec/ID.

I must admit I've never collided with this meme before. And I did get some giggles from it…

I've always wanted to grow up to be a Soviet armor division.

Do you take special orders? There's this ridiculously ornate place in central Rome that needs could use a “visit”. The local guards should be pushovers, as they're armed with halberds.

Carl Wieland had the offer from me and Rorschach to debate, why is he so afraid to debate us?!?

Because with you two he can't appear to be facing down the mighty evil atheist professor from the US. You are just a couple of mates from down the road, and you would kill the typical creobot script. Which proves it is nothing but PR for him, He might actually have to think on his feet, which probably causes him to quake with fear.

Because with you two he can't appear to be facing down the mighty evil atheist professor from the US. You are just a couple of mates from down the road, and you would kill the typical creobot script. Which proves it is nothing but PR for him, He might actually have to think on his feet, which probably causes him to quake with fear.

Well yeah, but why won't he debate us?!? He's running scared!!!

Well yeah, but why won't he debate us?!? He's running scared!!!

Sure does. Looks like he was just chased out of town by the Pullet PatrolTM.

I hate to be the negative one, but this only works if you don't understand German. For people who understand German, this is just two narratives running on top of each other.

Basically you are flashing your lack of German-skills by posting this.

Anyway; still an awesome blog.

Be Happy!

I must get round to watching Downfall - I've had it on tape for ages. But now I'll be repeating these subtitles to myself when this clip comes up!

I hate to be the negative one, but this only works if you don't understand German. For people who understand German, this is just two narratives running on top of each other.

This German speaker disagrees with you.

Everyone:

Hitler, he had just one big ball;
Goering had two, but very small;
Himmler's were rather sim'lar;
And Geobbels had no balls at all.

The accompanying melody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB8F8g1-4Uw

I hate to be the negative one, but this only works if you don't understand German. For people who understand German, this is just two narratives running on top of each other.

Know what that mute button does?

I hate to be the negative one, but this only works if you don't understand German. For people who understand German, this is just two narratives running on top of each other. -WilliamJansen

What's the matter? Can't turn off your inner babelfish? :P

This meme always reminds me of the song 'Die Eier von Satan' by Tool, which is a cookie recipe that sounds like a Nuremberg rally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATb8PwzbDk

Kel, after thinking about it, even the Pullet Patrol™ was too smart for Carl Wieland.

While we're talking about German language: I was at Avenue Q last night with a German-American (currently living in Australia); I had to laugh during the song Schadenfreude when Nicky says: 'Happiness at the misfortune of others...that is German!'

I heard her slightly outraged squawk from three seats down...

Basically you are flashing your lack of German-skills by posting this.

You are basically flashing your lack of a sense of humor by complaining about this.

Well the Pullet PatrolTM are a fine flock of cluckheads after all. *beams with matronly pride*

Um, people? Y'all are clear that PZ was joking when he said Wieland posted that, right? I mean, go look at the poster's profile and other videos....

some people!!!

I understand and speak German.. this is a bit fast for me but I saw the movie when it came out and it was great!

I think the Cowboys football one is the best...

"to the GIANTS!! the GIANTS!!!"

"I paid $60 for a TO Jersey!!! "

or the one with.. "Well at least I have my Lehman stock...."

EK, it was filed under humor...

Perhaps some, but obviously not all, German speakers have a more complex set of buttons that are pushed by this clip, (memories of relatives recollections of the era, and so forth) and that kind of messes up the joke.

"A lack of sense of humour" might just be that the joke may be triggering a different set of responses.

Yes, that was moderately amusing. Amusing enough to send to a creationist friend of mine anyway!

So the Creationists are the Nazis in this video, right? Why the hell would anyone portray themselves as Nazis?

Lots of people with Aspergers posting here.

Just because PZ says it's from Carl Wieland doesn't mean it actually is. And if the dialogue from the movie is distracting, turn off the sound (and if you're an accomplished German lip reader, focus on the subtitles and not the lips). Sheesh.

This meme is taking over the net lol...

Here's the one I posted in the endless thread the other day :

Hitler learns Leno is moving back to late night

As to Wieland, still an obscure figure on the sidelines over here, despite his yelling and screaming, noone cares.

Surprised about the number of humour-impaired in this thread !

Admittedly I thought that PZ was being literal (ain't an Aspie but headed that way) until I actually watched the clip.

The giveaway for me was the YECs don't seem to have a sense of humour when it comes to their belief structure!

SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Are those who speak German seriously unable to read the subtitles without distraction from the German? As noted, there is a 'mute' button.

Even still, is it really so hard? I can be having a one-to-one conversation in my native English and I can still tune out the other speaker without any difficulty. In fact, the hard part is not tuning them out when they get boring or if I see something shiny. In fact, halfway through the second paragraph of this comment I tuned myself out and started thinking of Homer Simpson singing "Nacho, Nacho Man".

Basically you are flashing your lack of German-skills by posting this.

You are basically flashing your lack of a sense of humor by complaining about this.

Zzzzzzzzziiiiiiiiiingngngngngngngng!

This was funny when it was a rant about football because it was just so incongruous. Re-done as a creationist rant it's just feeble. There are so many good arguments against creationism and ID but if we resort to name calling and blowing raspberries it ends up looking like we don't have any confidence in them.

Before coming to this site this morning I was looking for book reviews of a Mike Majerus book and ended up on an ID web-site "Uncommon Descent". Most of the comments that followed a post on Majerus' work on Peppered Moth fell into two categories: a) Majerus looked like a scientist/geek/dweeb and hence must be wrong and b) evolutionary scientists are mentally ill! That's the standard of debate on the other side; lets not descend to their level.

Before coming to this site this morning I was looking for book reviews of a Mike Majerus book and ended up on an ID web-site "Uncommon Descent". Most of the comments that followed a post on Majerus' work on Peppered Moth fell into two categories: a) Majerus looked like a scientist/geek/dweeb and hence must be wrong and b) evolutionary scientists are mentally ill! That's the standard of debate on the other side; lets not descend to their level.

Two points

1. When you've pounded your head against the wall for years if not decades showing the idiocy of ID and creationism sometimes a little big of mockery and taunting is necessary.

2. You just NOW found Uncommon Descent?

Most of the comments that followed a post on Majerus' work on Peppered Moth fell into two categories: a) Majerus looked like a scientist/geek/dweeb and hence must be wrong and b) evolutionary scientists are mentally ill! That's the standard of debate on the other side; lets not descend to their level.

While we may engage in mockery along the lines of point a) and poignant insult like point b), we also have the most important point c), which is the point where we can add to the mockery and insults with actual evidence to back up our claims. Points a) and b) from the ID side would be far easier to take if they had anything resembling point c).

if we resort to name calling and blowing raspberries it ends up looking like we don't have any confidence in them.

And this is not true at all... again, as I pointed out above, it's not the use of mockery and insults that degrades credibility, it's the lack of substance for the asserted claims.

If all the evidence actually pointed to ID the way it does to evolution, and we evolutionists stubbornly refused to acknowledge that evidence, ultimately we'd deserve the mocking and derision, and sitting here complaining about how mean the other side is would not serve to make our claims any more right. It would just make us look stupid and whiny.

As Rev. pointed out above, it's the complete and utter willful ignorance and intentional deception from the ID side that has forced us to resort to pointing and laughing. We first try to educate. If they will not accept the mountains of clear evidence and consciously choose to remain ignorant, the mocking is well deserved.

"Verräter!" (traitors) -> "far out"

Wunderschön!

idealist @ 53,

There are so many good arguments against creationism and ID but if we resort to name calling and blowing raspberries it ends up looking like we don't have any confidence in them.

This ignores the fact that creationists are not interested in and incapable of having a truthful discussion about anything.Spend a few years on Pharyngula or talking to the creeps in real life or on other blogs, and you will soon realise that the last thing those clowns want is an exchange of actual arguments that are based on any sort of scientific research.
Which leaves rational folks who believe in science and evidence no choice other then to resort to mock and ridicule.