Hey, it's been awfully quiet around here — it's been one of those lost weekends for me. Sorry about that, I've been up to my eyeballs in busy-ness, and it doesn't look like it'll get much better today. So I guess I'll steal something from the May/June edition of Skeptical Inquirer, by permission of managing editor Ben Radford.
14 (+ 1) Reasons Why Creationists Are More Intelligently Designed Than Evolutionists
Paul DesOrmeaux
"Creationism" comes before "evolution" in the dictionary.
Radiometric dating has determined that Kirk Cameron is between 6,000 - 10,000 years old.
The banana has obviously been perfectly designed by a designer for eating and for using in other creative, non-edible ways.
Where the hell are those transitional species, like flying squirrels, for example?
If we evolved from monkeys, why don't we look more like the Planet of the Apes chimps?
Ben Stein offers a perfect example of irreducible complexity "wherein the removal of any one of the parts [such as dying brain cells] causes the system to effectively cease functioning."
Especially when filled with animal crackers, my Noah's Ark cookie jar is an exact replica of the real deal as depicted in my illustrated Bible.
Evolution violates the second, third, fourth, and any future laws of thermodynamics that science types can dream up.
If the earth were actually billions of years old, all the water from the Genesis flood, which currently covers three-fourths of the Earth's surface, would have disappeared down the drain by now.
After supposedly "millions of years," tetrapods haven't evolved into pentapods.
Evolution is only a theory, like the theory of the Scottish origin of rap music.
There are well known, professionally published scientists who believe in God and who think dogs can telepathically communicate with humans.
If you leave bread, peanut butter, and Fluff on a counter long enough, does it eventually evolve into a Fluffernutter sandwich? Not likely.
Contrary to claims by Darwinists, Ann Coulter is not a transitional fossil.
If creationism isn't a valid alternative theory, then what are we going to do with all that crap in the Creation Museum?
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Duh, we knew that. Or much else either Trannie. You are an intellectual loser.
Yep Trannie, that describes your imaginary deity, mythical babble, and unscientific nonsense called creationism to a Tee. Unintelligent loser written all over it.
Of course not. You don't understand evidence, or scientific inquiry. You just understand what an ignorant preacher told you. Loser written all over it.
There you go describing you and your friends again, just like the loser you are. No evidence, no intelligence, just believe what an alleged "man of imaginary deity" tells you. Loser written all over it.
Wrong, Adam didn't exist. That book is mythology. You might as well say Zeus knew Hera. Meaningless loser nonsense.
Compared to you, who has shown no authority on any topic, much less the mythical babble, a very loser statement. We know what we talk about. You don't. You show nothing but loserhood with your uncogent posts. Why don't you do yourself a favor, and quit embarrassing yourself by posting here. Idjit losers like you don't fare well. They don't have the intelligence to argue right.
For example, still no evidence for you imaginary deity of mythical babble. That is bullshitting loser hiding from what is required to get our repect. SHOW THE EVIDENCE, OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. That would be non-loser in action.
Oh, and Trannie the loser, I have an AARP card. You cannot try to play the old wise authority, as I am one too. You are outranked, out thought, and out educated.
(believe it or not I do understand ToE)
And yet you ask if a reptile will become a human. In light of this, asking if one believes if 2+2=grapefruit is appropriate. You understand the theory of evolution as well as you understand the millions of people over many centuries believed that the curse of Ham justified keeping Africans and their descendants in bondage. You nick picking over biblical stories does not change a thing. Just like your nonsense question is not a blow against the truth of evolution.
Nerd, please stop with the Trannie bullshit. You are playing the same game as those who call *nn C**lt*r a man. I expect you to be above that.
Oy, Nerd. Get another insult or shut the fuck up. Trans people are often awesome. This trainwreck is not.
Having a trans person teach kids: fine. Having this douchecanoe teach kids: fucking upsetting.
Okay, end of *******.
Fucknozzle, your hero, Ken "pig rapist" Ham has a poster showing Ham's descendants going to Africa.
Certain Christians use the notion that Africa is just chock full of Ham's descendants and that Ham's descendants were cursed by Noah to justify slavery. That's what PZ was talking about.
Your pretense this is a lie just shows how stupid and ignorant you are. But you're a creationist. Ignorance and stupidity are your stock in trade. If you weren't ignorant and stupid, you wouldn't be a creationist.
So we understand why you keep claiming PZ is a liar. You're too ignorant and stupid to understand otherwise. That's what Christianity has done for you. Aren't you proud, Fucknozzle?
Trinity,
On Knockgoats,
On Owlmirror,
Hehehe...you just couldn't be wronger. Is there ANYTHING you get right?
Try-hard (and fail) Trinity wrote:
Did you mean ‘doggone poster’?
Did you mean ‘self-congratulating’?
Is that a question? If so, you should put a question mark on the end.
Did you mean ‘goober’?
A fairy tale is a story, usually including some kind of message or moral. Evolution, on the other hand, is a demonstrated fact; it has veritable mountains of evidence to support it - and there has never been any scientific evidence against it.
Plus there is no moral to evolution. It just is - hence why it's infinitely more intellectually satisfying than the mad ramblings of scientifically illiterate, superstitious goat-herders.
But I'm wondering - which aspect of evolution – or the Theory of Evolution (they are different things, by the way) do you believe falls down in terms of explanatory power?
That is the argument from personal incredulity. It is a fallacious argument.
Please convey our commiserations to them on their substandard forebear – and our hopes that they will overcome this hurdle to become thinking human beings rather than the deluded, credulous cretins you’d like them to become.
‘Duuf’? Is that a word you made up? What does it mean?
This makes no sense. Try again – but proof read for coherence before hitting the ‘submit’ button.
If being 4500 years distant means he can’t interpret meaning, how do you know that anything you take from the bible is what the author intended you to take from it? If so, how do you know that if removal from 'culture and context' affects interpretation?
Do you often bow to troughs? Have you ever known anyone to?
But here's where you've made yet another mistake based on your foolish assumptions regarding the posters here. Because, IIRC, Owlmirror is one of the several Pharyngulites who can read and write Greek and Hebrew and who has studied scripture in those languages.
Can you read and write in Greek and Hebrew, Trinity?
So there's yet another tip for you , dumbass – don’t assume for a second there aren’t people here who know a metric fuckton more about the bible and Christianity than you do. Yes, we’re atheists – but that doesn’t mean all of us have always been atheists, and in that pre-atheist period there wasn't an awful lot of learning going on.
NOR - "grampy pigfucker" works just fine. And he is one, because he believes that a common ancestor for humans and reptiles aren't possible, but talking snakes are!
I case our rather monomaniacal Troll comes back, a quick Google of the curse brings up (after the almost obligatory Wikipedia hit) this charming piece of racist bigotry . Now however accurately or otherwise you believe this to reflect your interpretation of the fairy tale, others clearly don't show your understanding of the detail.
PZ claims that the poster displayed illustrates a theory that has been used to justify racism - the first link I came across searching Google uses the Theory to justify racism. However you interpret your book of fables, others use it in the way PZ characterised, thus I conclude he has not, in this case, lied, but you have, in this case, massively misrepresented him - still as a Christian no doubt misrepresentation comes naturally, no?
Pete d, being an old fart, who learned a difference between public and private voices, I prefer not to use the "f" word in public unless provoked. Of course, deliberately mangling PZ's names to insult him is provocation. Now to grab some popcorn and watch the carnage continue.
BnD Wrote:
What? You do? It is all just a coincidence?
And to think I’m ridiculed for my blind faith.
Whatever is right.
Nerd:
Uncle!!! AARP… I most certainly am out-ranked. However, this does explain a lot of your posts…
Foul Mouth Mistress Gay Chick… I don’t get your post. Sorry. Are you saying that since I believe the Bible then obviously I am incapable of understanding ToE? or are you saying… well… I don’t posses the cognitive ability to understand said process? Not following.
Nepenthe wrote:
You are out everythinged.
Yep, as you keep proving.
Twinkle, what you believe is irrelevant. What the evidence says is totally relevant. And the evidence says you are wrong. Your belief is your delusion. After all, the babble is a book of mythology.
What an oxymoron. The babble is incorrect more than it is correct. That is why it is a book of mythology, and you are a delusional fool.
What hero? There is no worship or adoration of PZ. He set up this blog to get his ideas out, and allows us to comment here on your stoopidity, which you post and think is intelligent. We just have fun.
So loser, still no evidence for your deity or babble, still no cogency, still no intelligence, still no deity, still no inerrant babble. But you believe all the same. Delusional fool is written in large letters across your forehead...
Lil Peter wrote:
Well, I no longer care what the phallically challenged one has to write. His fixation with swine sex only leads me to believe that about the only member of the opposite sex he could satisfy is that same chicken he clucks like.
Usagchan wrote:
No… he claims that the museum is promoting racism.. which is a lie. Meaning… he is a Sleazy liar.. If he doesn’t understand the Dispersion of the Tower of Babel, why is that their fault? Are they to be responsible for every idiot that walks through their doors? Why is it that all of the historical abuses of Christianity need be laid at the feet of every contemporary Christian group? Perhaps Usaa…aaa..g… is willing to defend the abuses of neo-Darwinism in the last 150 years? Ya-unna take that one on? If not, then perhaps a new perspective is required here.
Umm, you were saying that of Knockgoats, not Owlmirror. Anyway, I was responding to your claim that he is 15 and "has absolutely no idea about life in general." Knockgoats is extremely knowledgeable about many things and I'm pretty sure he has a Ph.D.
Owlmirror, as Wowbagger mentioned, has extensive knowledge of Greek, Hebrew and the Bible. I hoping he responds to you by citing the verses in Hebrew.
Sorry. Are you saying that since I believe the Bible then obviously I am incapable of understanding ToE?
Once more, your lack of reading comprehension just fucks you over. At no point did I ever say that your believing in the bible makes you unable to understand evolution. If that was the case, I would be lying about millions of christians who do not doubt the evidence for evolution. But I will say this clearly. But there is still the great chance that you will not comprehend.
The fact that you are a closed minded idiot who is pleased with your own ignorance is the reason why you cannot understand evolution. You are stupid because that is how you want to be.
Damn, the fart of a flea in your ear can fucking displace your brain. What makes this sad is that you fucking choose to be this way; a fucking dumb ass for the pleasure of your deity. And a less then decent example of humanity.
Also, fuckwad, here is why Nerd is a better human then you can hope to be. He respected me enough to stop his insult, a word that is a slut to many people. You, one the other hand, cheerfully call 'Tis, Herself. As if it is an insult to be a woman.
Fuck you and everything you stand for.
Describing yourself again Twinkie, I see. Can't stop your self abuse, can you?
Describing your belief in your imaginary deity and mythical babble again. Not doing yourself any favors.
Still mangling things. Darwinism is one small piece of the totality that is evolution. Evolution includes genes, genomes, DNA, sequencing, biochemistry and other disciplines to make it a solid scientific whole. And it has a million or so scientific papers that support it, both directly and indirectly. Unlike you babble, which can't even be shown, only taken on faith, to be inerrant.
Yes, the new perspective is require by the delusional fools like yourself who believe without evidence. They need to get rid of their delusions and accept reality. What are you doing to get rid of your delusions? If nothing, you are a loser.
What an asshole.
Trinity, comprehension fail again -
So, as long as you remain ignorant of the properties of something, it doesn't have those properties? Ah, as a Xtian, I can see where you're coming from here - we have different standards of proof and evidence.
Hmm, if you can give an example (needs to explicitly mention Darwinism and be propagated by otherwise disconnected organisations in such a way as to appear to support (or at least not refute) the abuse), I will gladly give it a go. Couldn't think of any off the top of my head though.
Trinity wrote:
If by ‘coincidence’ you mean ‘there is no underlying reason or purpose’ then yes, that’s exactly what ‘it’ is. That’s what the evidence combined with critical thought tells us.
What evidence do you have to suggest that isn't the case?
But it is promoting racism. It cites the bible, which is an inherently, necessarily racist book, as if it were fact rather than folk superstition mingled with the occasional historical occurence. Ergo, promoting racism. Also slavery, homophobia, misogyny, genocide, infanticide and other monstrous, unjust behaviour.
Not everyone who walks through their doors is an idiot – though, since the vast majority of visitors are Christian then it’s accurate to say most of them are. But some of them are atheists looking for a laugh at the incompetence and ignorance - and, even better, some are Christians when they go in but atheists when they come out, mostly because of how lame it is, how bigoted it is, and how much they don't want to be associated with lame, bigoted morons anymore.
They shouldn’t lie to them, though. But I'm not surprised that they don, since they’re Christians and therefore required to lie to themselves; it’s not all that surprising they’ll lie to others.
Of course you are. As is anybody. However, we don’t accept evolution on faith – we have mountains of evidence. Therefore we don’t need faith.
If that logic – that you are more right than Nerd because you are younger than he – holds then I am more right than you because I am younger than you.
Or do you wish to retract that and try again?
She doesn’t need to say it – you’ve demonstrated it for all to observe.
You can’t even keep track of which (laughable) ways you’ve tried to insult posters here?
What Janine said.
It's obvious that the Trinity from which the jizz junkie took his screen name is Curly, Larry and Moe.
Last call, Trinity. Find something different and please, interesting to say. Your obsession and thickheadedness have worn out their welcome.
If all you can do is continue to repeat yourself, demonstrating your inability to comprehend anything, you'll be facing the banhammer tomorrow.
Plus what we now view as neo-Darwinism is actually the modern evolutionary synthesis, which hasn't actually been around for 150 years. Most of the "abuses" that one might point to precede actual neo-Darwinism.
Wowbagger:
Right. None. No evidence at all. I guess the easiest question here is what type of evidence would falsify this theory? Fossil? Genetic? What?
Moral? Morals? You mean there is right and wrong? Something that which is moral or immoral? Careful, you are almost speaking theistically.
Ouh… a trick question… whether or not you feel it was meant that way. Wondering if you posses the ability to discern the difference?
It is Church speak for Fucknozzle.
What is worse… paying for your own crime or the one thing you love more than life paying for your crime?
Nope… not with any amount of certitude. I’ve taken classes… and …. well… I sa-uck. I’ve lived in Panama and Italy for over 8 years and still struggle with both languages… to the point I got lost on the sub-way in Rome because I didn’t completely catch the difference between left and right. This is one skill I simply wish I were better at.
But… always big ole but… that still doesn’t preclude error from him or any other anceint language scholar.
Sounds to me that you have a lot of resentment built up. Musta most certainly been us fundies who pushed you away.
Nerd… I think… wrote:
Is your wife or girlfriend named “Wyandotte”. Something about your fixation with this process just leaves a dry taste in my mouth.
Is your wife or girlfriend named “Wyandotte”. Something about your fixation with this process just leaves a dry taste in my mouth.
This, coming from the animated bag of toxic sludge who kept going on about...
Oh, what is the fucking use?
Good bye. You will not be missed.
Trinity blurted:
Yeah, every day in every way. That's what we've been trying to tell you all week. Your fifth period class would have figured it out the first day.
Say a Cambrian rabbit. Start digging.
Nope, your imaginary deity and mythical babble aren't required to explain morals. Humans had those long before Yahweh was invented, one of the thousand plus gods invented by man.
We can, you can't. Loser.
You don't show your learning. Must not have stuck.
Or you making an error. Until you can acknowledge you make errors, you will keep making them. Like your continued posts.
The deliberate errors and outright lies continue. Good behavior by an Xian who shouldn't bear false witness. *snicker*
By the way Twinkie, that is Dr. Myers to you loser. Try addressing him properly. We might even respond in kind, but since you started the name calling first, you end it first. An apology would also be appropriate. Or, is this all part of good xian behavior, deliberately insulting people?
Several types of evidence. If you're looking for smoking guns, then precambrian rabbits would do just nicely - anything along those lines in the fossil record really. As for forms, hybrids like a crocoduck or a centaur would falsify evolution. Cats giving birth to dogs would falsify evolution for example.
But on a wider point, remember that science is theory-laden. The success of evolutionary theory is because it can explain the evidence that exists. Every fossil, every genetic sequence, every look at species distribution, observations of natural selection, observations of speciation, looking at morphology, comparative embryology - all this is the data point that the theory needs to explain. What needs to be found is data that the theory can't be modified to explain; a currently unexplained phenomenon isn't a problem, a contradictory piece of data is.
If you want to falsify evolution, you'd need to show that it doesn't fit the data - or that the data it does fit is fraudulent.
Trinity wrote:
Take your pick. Any kind of scientifically valid evidence that cannot be explained by the Theory of Evolution. Fossil rabbits in the Precambrian being the most well-known example.
But you imply you have such evidence – feel free to present it at any time.
Er, no – that’s why the word ‘no’ came before ‘moral’ - i.e. there is no moral to evolution, as opposed to a fairy tale, which always has a moral.
Try reading for comprehension, idiot.
Nice evasion. If you’ve got an example, present it. If you haven’t, stop pretending you have and admit that the only reason you dislike evolution is because it makes your religion even more invalid.
Except that ‘fucknozzle’ is a portmanteau word in which the meaning is quite straightforward and therefore doesn’t make the person who used it look like a moron. ‘Duuf’, on the other hand, lets the reader know exactly how stupid the person who used it is.
Even worse is a supposedly loving god that requires everyone to pay for crimes they don’t commit – and which he could simply forgive.
Oh, I’d suggest there are many skills you should be wishing you were better at: critical thinking, intellectual honesty, reading comprehension, writing comprehension, basic logic…
Nope, no resentment – heck, I’ve never even met a ‘fundie’. But that you assumed – incorrectly – that I was describing myself once again demonstrates how limited your thinking is.
What I was trying to convey is how you utterly contradicted yourself in two sentences. You claim to understand evolution but the way you describe it clearly shows you don't. Not that you will get why.
It's obvious that the Trinity from which the jizz junkie took his screen name is Curly, Larry and Moe.
I've been thinking it must be that he is an atomic bomb of stupidity.
re 509:
I don't know why I keep thinking I can somehow get through your neutronium dense skull, but once more into the breech:
Are you admitting that the poster is nothing but a lie to begin with? That is what you wrote there. And how your analogy of "have you stopped beating your wife" applies at all is a complete mystery.
Once again, based on your posts here I am astounded that you are a teacher. Your grammar and spelling suck. Your understanding of TOE is cartoonish, you claim to be in a PhD program. I'd expect that even a bible school would expect their PhD candidates to be able to write coherent English with proper spelling, grammar and punctuation. But even that could be forgiven if you could make a coherent point and actually respond to what people say rather than just repeatedly saying "no it isn't". I would really hate to see how you grade the papers of you 5th period class.
So after several hundred posts arguing over who was cursed to servitude, it really isn't the issue. It seems that, based on the "beating your wife" analogy, that you are interpreting PZ's statement "promoting racism", that he is ascribing motives to the Museum that he has no way of knowing. And that is what you consider a lie. But that is not what PZ's statement says; he said the poster itself promotes racism. And he even says that the Museum may be doing so unkowingly. So how can he possibly be lying about intent when he actually absolved them of intent and suggested they could well be ignorant of the posters racist overtones?
Last year the BBC aired a documentary series called The Incredible Human Journey, which in its 5 parts explored the journey out of Africa and throughout the world. It's really informative as to where current evidence lies, using a combination of human artifacts, DNA testing, and environmental sciences to construct the best empirical possible as to how it all happened.
Given the topic of the argument and hand here, it's well worth watching.
Trinity:
Were you there?
Transitional fossils are real, direct evidence of intermediate forms (there are many other kinds of slam-dunk evidence for evolution too, as many have pointed out here). Evidence that grows with every excavation and analysis we do, and is open to scrutiny by new methods that - wonderfully and predictably, but not trivially - agree with each other in not disproving evolution.
But to believe your fairy stories about Noah and Adam, you rely on the notional 'authority and credentials' of those who told you that bunch of hearsay anecdote was true. You have nothing else, because all attempts to independently test the accuracy of biblical accounts either find them incoherent and untestable, or show them conclusively to be false. You really are an idiot.
But a remarkably persistent one.
Making a bare assertion is not a valid argument. Do you have the genetic evidence showing that all humanity descended from just two people? Do you have the archaeological evidence to back up this claim? How do you explain all the hominid fossils in the fossil record? How do you explain the fused chromosome pair that corresponds to two different chromosome pairs on the chimpanzee genome? How do you explain endoretrovisus markers that sit on exactly the same place in the human and chimpanzee genomes? How do you explain the morphological similarities we share with other species?
Then I guess there's always the matter of explaining why some people are born with a functioning tail. And junk DNA, especially pseudogenes like genes for synthesising vitamin C. Other mammals have it. Us and other apes don't - exactly the same piece of DNA knocked it out. And for that matter, why does our eye have a blind spot and was wired back to front?
I recommend the german phrase "Nicht eben falsch" (not even wrong) for the really horrendous beliefs/claims.
Trinny,
So your whole justification for Noah laying a curse upon his own grandson is that it would be worse for his son to see him be punished.
What. The. Fuck.
In what world is that not completely and utterly twisted and messed up - don't grandparents dote on their grandkids practically more than they do their own kids? So in essence Noah, having already apparently already been raped by his own son, then decides to punish himself (through his grandson) and his grandson (arbitrarily picked) and every generation after (until Moze and co return to the promised land and put them all to the sword) while his son, who being a father raper (by your, and my, prefered interpretation of the text)probably cares not one jot what happens to anyone - as this is a guy who when he sees his own father naked and passed out decides that raping him is the logical course of action.
On the scientific evidence for transition from say, something like a frog, to something like a man - conserved genes, clear gene family trees that match evolutionary family trees (Hb splits showing ancient mammalian split, ABO blood group (if I remember right - isn't it shared between (at least) primates - My O allele is more closely related to a chimps O allele than it is to my wifes A allele), shared genetic code, morphological similarities (the body plan of all vertebrates is so similar on the gross level as to make any divine creator look practically without imagination) 150 years of scientific evidence pointing to evolution as the force that shaped all life, clearly defined mechanism by which random changes in the genetic code, when they confer a fitness benefit over the alternative original code, become more abundant and finally dominant - rinse wash and repeat that over a few billion years and you get the diversity of life we have today.
Your misunderstanding of the mechanism of evolutionary change is typical of someone who willingly doesn't want to believe the theory of evolution - you get to the random part, and that's all you need - missing the part which makes the whole thing work - selection amongst random changes to pick the best. If every generation just advanced with random mutations and no selection mechanism (reproductive success) then your criticism of evolution would be logically sound, however with selection amongst a pool of random mutations evolution is essentially a guarantee - in a generation where all mutations are worse than the wildtype - no change will occur, in a generation where a mutation arises which is better it will have more copies in the subsequent generation, and assuming its advantage persists across generations it will increase in number until it becomes the wildtype. What is not to get about that?
Trinity, morally bankrupt death cultist @ #500:
You really seem to be determined to be as wrong as possible, in as many ways as possible. You've been factually wrong at every turn, and have been repeatedly taken to task for it, but refuse to look at the facts. Your grammatical incompetence is appalling in someone who claims to be a teacher. But I'm going to leave those issues for others, and take a moment to comment on this foul load of shit because this passage here is not just morally wrong, it's fucking SICK.
You are endorsing the torture of innocent children as a means of punishing their parents. You treat this as if it's not only perfectly normal, but actually a GOOD thing to punish a child for the actions of its father. This is not only wrong, it is monstrous and vile.
If you punish an innocent person for someone else's crimes, knowing full well that they are innocent, then yes, you are an evil shit. If you punish an entire family line for the crimes of an ancestor, then you are even MORE of an evil shit. If the innocent people you punish are your own descendants, then you are not only an evil shit but a terrible parent.
Regardless of culture or tradition, abusing the innocent as punishment for crimes they did not commit is unjust and evil. There is no context that makes it just to curse a person for something they did not do, especially for something that happened before they were born. Punishing a child may be an effective way to make the parent suffer, but that does not, and cannot, make it right to punish a child for something he did not do.
It doesn't matter what Ham did, only HAM can possibly deserve punishment for his own actions. Not all his descendants, not even PART of his descendants, not even ONE of his children. But then, what with all that "original sin" bullshit, I guess punishing the guilty and letting the innocent go free has always been an alien concept to christian "morality".
You have demonstrated here once and for all that the morality of your sick death cult isn't worth shit.
Now, I'm not an expert on this, but I vaguely recall hearing stuff about some organized crime groups and criminal gangs having rules against bringing family into disputes. As in, you can kill a man over money or petty insults, but if you murder his uninvolved children that's crossing the line. Apparently neither Noah nor the christian god could even aspire to such a high moral principle as not torturing innocent children for crimes they did not commit, because they're not as virtuous as crooks and thugs. So, Trinity, is your cult's moral code less honorable than the fucking Mafia?
No, not theistically. Theistic 'morality' basically consists of killing non-believers (how many fill-in-the-blank-ites get destroyed in the Old Testament?) and killing ones own kin for breaking silly rules (do you, Trinity, eat shellfish? do you do any labour at all on whatever day you think is the Sabbath? do you wear clothing with mixed thread (which includes just about every pair of men's underwear made right now (unless they have invented rubber cotton))?). Morality is a set of somewhat flexible rules which allow us to live in a civilized manner. No god(s) required.
Perhaps this preyer session has come to a close. In which case, in honor of our interlocutor's namesake, I should like us all to bow our heads, and make the sign of the upside-down cross.
Let us prey.
In the name of the Blather...
And of the Dumb...
And of the HOLY SHIT ARE YOU KIDDING ME...
...Amen.
Hilarious.
I don't do things that are wrong because, and here's a shocking idea, they are wrong.
You need the threat of a bullying big sky daddy in order to keep you in line.
Who's really doing the right thing for right thing's sake?
two words left to say:
ban.
hammer.
Let him explain how creationism can explain all the evidence that normally fits the pattern of common descent. I'd really like to see how he can reconcile the genetic variation seen in humans with a ~6000 year time frame. Especially with a starting point of just two people and bottleneck some 4500 years ago. And would love to see the creationist explanation for pseudogenes and endogenousretrovirus markers and vestigial structures.
And for that matter, I wonder where he stands on astronomical observations. Does he accept the "dogma" that the speed of light is a constant? So when something is 4.5 light years away, it means that the light took 4.5 years to travel to earth. So would that mean that all stars and galaxies observed more than 6000 light years away be out of sight? Or does he support the Omphalos hypothesis where God created the light en route to Earth? I wonder how he explains Supernova 1987a - a supernova that happened in a nearby dwarf galaxy. The dwarf galaxy is 168,000 light years away meaning the supernova happened 168,000 years ago. So does this mean the supernova was merely an illusion created by God - that he created the light not only of the dwarf galaxy (~10,000,000,000 stars) but he created the illusion of the explosion too? Or did the explosion really happen? The former would mean that God is lying to us, the latter would mean that the universe has to be old. Heck, if we factor in galaxies that the light took over 12 billion years to reach us, the universe must be really really really old!
It would appear that Fucknozzle has taken his lying ass elsewhere.
Yup, beaten. Though experience tells me that the rationally-challenged rarely give up.
I hope he comes back. It's taken some 500 posts to get onto the subject of evidence instead of arguing about interpretations of the bible so I hope he can actually explain why the evidence is the way it is.
Shucks, and I had three shapened prongs on my stick, dipped one prong each in wasabi, habanero, and purified capsaicin. *quick tosses out the spices before the Redhead finds and uses them*
I hope he comes back as well. I'd like him to explain why he thinks calling me a woman is insulting. I can think of all kinds of ways someone could insult me but that's not one of them.
I'm still LMAO that Fucknozzle barged in on a thread devoted to mocking creotards and was appalled that he *gasp* was being mocked!
If ignorance is bliss, Trinity is walking around in a perpetual state of orgasmic ecstasy.
But to be fair to the little pisher, while he is bone-ignorant on a wide range of topics, he makes up for it by not knowing anything about everything.
And I will give him credit for something else--his puffed up opinion of himself and his abilities provides strong evidence that the Dunning-Kruger effect is not just idle speculation.
That's harsh. Before he shortened his name, he was awesome.
Wow...Isaac @551 is a grade "A" slap down. *Looks at lists, adds a name...*
Well thanks, Nerd. I do my best, but there are some superlatively talented cretinist mockers here--your name coming readily to mind, for instance.
Thanks again for the comments. I think I might stay a while.
Still hasn't come back yet... hopefully he's out scanning the comparative genomes to demonstrate a 45000 year bottleneck that would make the last 500 posts of argumentation something more than counting pin-dancing angels...
That should be 4500, not 45000...
Though whenever he wants to put the flood date, I look forward to looking at the theoretical framework that explains the fossil record, geological record, genetic record, and biogeographic distribution.
Trinity, where are you? Please come and show that the evidence supports your conjecture...
SIWOTI !!!
(Trinitrotoluene probably blew up, or off, but.)
And of course, you curse your grandchildren for the acts of your children all the time...
As I wrote above, I pity them all for having you as an ancestor.
Because that makes you want to curse their children instead of the children themselves?
So... Noah wanted to hurt Ham more cruelly by making Ham's son suffer a life of anguish, suffering, pain for something that Ham did?
And you think that this is right and proper and how life should work? Cruelty heaped on top of cruelty?
Isn't that exactly what the proponents of the "Curse of Ham" did and do?
Right. It doesn't indicate a single damned thing.
No. It doesn't indicate that. You don't get to come in here, snarling and cursing and spewing stupidity all over because of you thinking that somebody said something that the bible doesn't indicate about the curse, and then turn around and argue that we should pretend that the bible says something that it doesn't say to excuse the whole curse in the first place.
You and Noah are evil shits because you on the one hand excuse evil, and he on the other did something monstrously evil, regardless of culture and context.
I will gladly do so if you forgive me for calling you the hypocritical evil shit that you are.
I guess Trinity isn't coming back...