Yet another bunch of nutters

Except, of course, it is actually the same recycled nutters under yet another name. Thanks to BB for the link, but the original source is the Smoggies. Not to be confused with the Moggies. The new name is "Independent Committee on Geoethics"; not to be confused with the apparently respectable but to me unknowe International Association for Promoting Geoethics.

Wittily, their flyer for their events could have been faked up by Russel Seitz but appears to be genuine:

Their laughable membership includes Charles Darwin - yes, the Darwin - which brings Robert Carter to mind, in an odd sort of way.

Update: images

Here's one of their folk in action:

And here are some of the others:

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Special advisor
Attila Grandpierre (Hu)

By Nick Stokes (not verified) on 05 Feb 2016 #permalink

What does "internationally respected journalist" mean again?

@GregH, it means the same thing as "appointed by the IPCC as an Expert Reviewer."

By Raymond Arritt (not verified) on 05 Feb 2016 #permalink

Willie Soon is a special advisor to the 'Independent Committee on Geoethics'...

By Robert Way (not verified) on 05 Feb 2016 #permalink

William gives me too much credit: I didn't 'fake up ' the #CLIMATESIGN project, The project is real enoggh to have commandeered the Eiffel Tower to show off their gonzo graphics during COP-21

I've just cut and pasted some of the more bizarre posts from their website, - just check the link I've blogged.

The Climate Reaity Project's weirdest efforts at cultural behavior modification still can't really compete with Watt's cohort, but the gap seems to be closing.

By Russell Seitz (not verified) on 05 Feb 2016 #permalink

In Membership, one also finds:Albert Parker aka Alberto Boretti,
Giovanni Gregori (It), and Cliff Ollier (AU)

Those familiar with Journal of Scientific Exploration (my favored dog astrology, quoted by Montford, for example .. may find similar material in New Concepts in Global Tectonics.

Read the Aims with care.

Its Editorial Board includes some familiar names.:
Dong R. Choi, Australia (Editor-in-Chief;
Ismail BHAT, India (
Louis HISSINK, Australia (
Gregori GIOVANNI, Italy (
Cliff OLLIER, Australia (
Nina PAVLENKOVA, Russia (
David PRATT, Netherlands (
Karsten STORETVEDT, Norway (
Takao YANO, Japan (
Boris I. VASSILIEV, Russia (

They also write many of the articles, as do John L. Casey, N A Mrner,and Those with a taste for such may peruse Contents and see the Dec 2015 list.
And Issues has links to the journal issues. They are large.
The Dec 2015 issue offers many possibilities, including Gregori's p.544-560 article.

For example:"
Stanislav A. GRIGORIEV, Orientation of ancient cultic objects and polar drift ... don't know what that is, but sounds promising.

Gennady G. KOCHEMASOV “Ice”(Pluto) and “flame” (Sun): tectonic similarities of drastically different cosmic globes

Nina I. PAVLENKOVA Degassing and expanding Earth: New model of global tectonics

Karsten M. STORETVEDT Geoscience urban legends (Arthur Holmes messed up in supporting Wegener) " Since the late 1980s, I have argued that the continental drift/plate tectonic revolution in the late 1960s was little more than a quasi-scientific cultural invasion"

Giovanni P. GREGORI Anthropic global warming (Gregori is a theoretical physicist in Italy, and wrote one of the blurbs for Casey) p.544, I looked at it, sadly.
"Niels-Axel Mørner and Václav Němec invited me to give a contribution on geoethics, on the occasion of a recent meeting in Prague, where the ICG (Independent Committee on Geoethics) ( has been established; this explains my emphasis on ethical issues.3"

Nils-Axel MÖRNER The approaching new grand solar minimum and little ice age climate conditions

By John Mashey (not verified) on 06 Feb 2016 #permalink

I see that their steering committee includes names like Monckton, Nova and Tattersall. That's a lot of albatrosses around one neck.

By Lars Karlsson (not verified) on 06 Feb 2016 #permalink

Will their house journal be called Pattern Recognition In Physics by any chance?

By Fragmeister (not verified) on 06 Feb 2016 #permalink

Gennady G. KOCHEMASOV “Ice”(Pluto) and “flame” (Sun): tectonic similarities of drastically different cosmic globes

Are you sure this one isn't a Poe? I don't know whether that's a genuine surname or an attempt to make "coach myself" sound Russian. Also, tectonics on the Sun? There is such a thing as helioseismology, but that looks at what the convection in the outer part of the Sun is doing--there isn't anything solid at those temperatures. As for Pluto, our data consists of one flyby last year. I happened to see a colloquium about this a week ago: at this point we can neither confirm nor rule out that plate tectonics is happening on Pluto.

The Grigoriev paper might be a genuine scientific article, if the "polar drift" he's talking about refers to the secular variation in the Earth's magnetic field. The rest of that is, at best, pseudoscientific drivel.

By Eric Lund (not verified) on 06 Feb 2016 #permalink

Those names. Will Vivian Smith-Smythe-Smith be there? What about Nigel Incubator-Jones?

Viscount Ridley? Taking The Bras Off The Debutantes should be interesting at least.

[Worth adding -W]

Eric, Kochemasov is real alright. He's also 80 years old, so I can't refer you to his institutional website.

Stewart Agnew MEP in action

IIRC this was on UKIP's youtube channel, but for some reason they took it down ;o)

[Thanks for that. But looney as he clearly is, listen to how poor the response is. It doesn't address his point at all. His point is stupid, and can be ripped to shreds. Yet the guy responding is clearly as ignorant as Agnew; the only difference is that his preference is in a different direction -W]

By Dikran Marsupial (not verified) on 06 Feb 2016 #permalink

The smile on Pitella's face at 0:31 suggests he saw how absurd the question was, but I agree he could have answered the question better.

By Dikran Marsupial (not verified) on 06 Feb 2016 #permalink

#9 Eric
I haven't tried to look at most if these articles in any detail, but i think Poe's are extremely unlikely.
Thus us wuite like JSE if fog astrology infame: absolutely serious. I mentioned Aims. What might this tell?
"Aims include:
1. Forming an organizational focus for creative ideas not fitting readily within the scope of Plate Tectonics.
2. Forming the basis for the reproduction and publication of such work, especially where there has been censorship or discrimination.
3. Forum for discussion of such ideas and work which has been inhibited in existing channels. This should cover a very wide scope from such aspects as the effect of the rotation of the Earth and planetary and galactic effects, major theories of development of the Earth, lineaments, interpretation and prediction of earthquakes, major times of tectonic and biological change, and so on.
4. Organization of symposia, meetings and conferences.
5. Tabulation and support in case of censorship, discrimination or victimization"

By John Mashey (not verified) on 06 Feb 2016 #permalink

Having Darwin on the board doesn't seem likely to sit well with a large portion of the denier base. Even among the movement's "luminaries," isn't there a fair amount of overlap between climate denialism and creationism?

By Michael Wells (not verified) on 06 Feb 2016 #permalink

Michael Wells:

Even among the movement’s “luminaries,” isn’t there a fair amount of overlap between climate denialism and creationism?

Indeed there is.

By Mal Adapted (not verified) on 06 Feb 2016 #permalink

re #20
"Last year, in a Portola Valley, Calif., high school, a teacher who had shown her class Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth was challenged by a parent who demanded that the school provide “balance” with a debate between a climate change scientist and a global warming denier. The teacher’s union representative contacted NCES, and the Center argued that while policy issues — energy consumption, cap-and-trade, global warming adaptation — were legitimate subjects to debate in a social studies class, a science class should deal only in consensus science. School officials agreed and the debate was cancelled."

That's my town and I knew the teacher, who was very good.
(Although story was off: it's a middle school across the road, I think it was sixth grade and I think the parent wanted to debate a climate scientist.)

I helped out a bit (and was involved with helping NCSE folks), and this was one of the earliest hints this could happen *anywhere*. This own is the one just uphill from Stanford U, hyper-educated, and very green ... but it only takes one parent. The teacher said there was one every year.

Normally, debates are bad ideas, since it is easier to cause confusion, and especially, having a science debate in front of sixth-graders....

I was actually slightly disappointed the debate never happened ... as I hoped for a videod debate to go up on YouTube ... because in this case, I knew several potential moderators and scientists who live around here, and I though it might be fun to record what happened.

[Debate vs no debate is a tricky one; I think in practice I agree with you, unless it can be well moderated -W]

By John Mashey (not verified) on 06 Feb 2016 #permalink

"? Taking The Bras Off The Debutantes should be interesting at least.

[Worth adding -W]"

The world must be peopled.

By Russell Seitz (not verified) on 08 Feb 2016 #permalink