Memory Hole: Preserving a post from Uncommon Descent

Over at IDolator Bill Dembski's blog, Denyse "Buy My Book" O'Leary has been on a tear lately, blogging about the supposed racism inherent in evolution. Fellow blog contributor DaveScot responded with a long post observing that the leadership of racist groups today and in the past are often vehement antievolutionists. DaveScot fails to observe that the Klan was prominent at the Scopes trial, firmly opposing the teaching of evolution.

In any event, one might have expected this contrary voice to suddenly disappear from the blog, since Dembski and his sycophants have a long history of censoring dissent and blocking critical voices from posting comments. Balanced against that, we have the recent reshuffling of the site's management, and a new comment moderation policy, which states "that UD, unlike the Darwinists, doesn’t ban or censor ideas… Our role is not to censor ideas but to provide a forum where hard questions can be discussed calmly, fully, and fairly, and we trust that when that happens truth will prevail."

So one might think DaveScot's post would be safe. Not so. A few hours after DS's blog post, it disappeared, replaced by a note to UD contributors:

The moderation policy does not apply to you; you are held to a higher standard. I expect your posts to have at least some tangential relationship to Darwinism, ID, or the metaphysical or moral implications of each. The purpose of this site is not to provide a place for you to jump up and rant on one of your pet peeves. DaveScot will no longer be posting at UD.

So, in honor of UD's proud commitment to providing [a forum where hard questions can be discussed calmly, fully, and fairly," I've included the text of DaveScot's post below the fold.

Racism Sans Darwin - other inspirations:

Since we now seem to be focused on racism instead of design detection and my motto is “When in Rome do as the Romans do” in order to balance the picture of the theory of evolution’s role in racist movements let’s look at some of the other modern history where evolution isn’t the banner around which racists rally.

Selected bits from Religious Tolerance on Christian Identity Movements . Timothy McVeigh, for instance, was a card carrying CIM member.


The Christian Identity movement is a movement of many extremely conservative Christian churches and religious organizations, extreme right wing political groups and survival groups. Some are independent; others are loosely interconnected. According to Professor Michael Barkun, one of the leading experts in the Christian Identity movement, “This virulent racist and anti-Semitic theology, which is practiced by over 50,000 people in the United States alone, is prevalent among many right wing extremist groups and has been called the ‘glue’ of the racist right.”

The largest Christian Identity movement has traditionally been the Ku Klux Klan which was reorganized in 1915 by William Simmons, a Christian pastor. He had been inspired by the film The Birth of a Nation which portrayed the KKK as a champion of white civilization. The KKK slid into obscurity by the second World War, but was revitalized in the mid 1950’s as a reaction to enforced racial integration in the southern US.

Quoting the FBI’s Megiddo Report on domestic terrorism: 5

“Wesley Swift is considered the single most significant figure in the early years of the Christian Identity movement in the United States. He popularized it in the right-wing by ‘combining British-Israelism, a demonic anti-Semitism, and political extremism.’ 6 He founded his own church in California in the mid 1940s where he could preach this ideology. In addition, he had a daily radio broadcast in California during the 1950s and 60s, through which he was able to proclaim his ideology to a large audience. With Swift’s efforts, the message of his church spread, leading to the creation of similar churches throughout the country. In 1957, the name of his church was changed to The Church of Jesus Christ Christian, which is used today by Aryan Nations (AN) churches.”

“One of Swift’s associates, William Potter Gale, was far more militant than Swift and brought a new element to Christian Identity churches. He became a leading figure in the anti-tax and paramilitary movements of the 1970s and 80s. There are numerous Christian Identity churches that preach similar messages and some espouse more violent rhetoric than others, but all hold fast to the belief that Aryans are God’s chosen race.”

Other current organizations which follow Christian Identity beliefs are: American Nazi Party; Aryan Nations; Church of Jesus Christ Christian, Aryan Nations; Confederate Hammerskins; Jubilee, National Association for the Advancement of White People; The Order; radical modern offshoots of the original Posse Comitatus; Scriptures for America, White Aryan Resistance (WAR) and White Separatist Banner. Many small groups fade in and out of existence frequently.

Beliefs about Armageddon:

Quoting again the FBI’s Megiddo Report on domestic terrorism: 5

“Christian Identity also believes in the inevitability of the end of the world and the Second Coming of Christ. It is believed that these events are part of a cleansing process that is needed before Christ’s kingdom can be established on earth. During this time, Jews and their allies will attempt to destroy the white race using any means available. The result will be a violent and bloody struggle — a war, in effect — between God’s forces, the white race, and the forces of evil, the Jews and nonwhites. Significantly, many adherents believe that this will be tied into the coming of the new millennium.”

“The view of what Armageddon will be varies among Christian Identity believers. Some contend there will be a race war in which millions will die; others believe that the United Nations, backed by Jewish representatives of the anti-Christ, will take over the country and promote a New World Order. One Christian Identity interpretation is that white Christians have been chosen to watch for signs of the impending war in order to warn others. They are to then physically struggle with the forces of evil against sin and other violations of God’s law (i.e., race-mixing and internationalism); many will perish, and some of God’s chosen will be forced to wear the Mark of the Beast to participate in business and commerce. After the final battle is ended and God’s kingdom is established on earth, only then will the Aryan people be recognized as the one and true Israel.”

“Christian Identity adherents believe that God will use his chosen race as his weapons to battle the forces of evil. Christian Identity followers believe they are among those chosen by God to wage this battle during Armageddon and they will be the last line of defense for the white race and Christian America. To prepare for these events, they engage in survivalist and paramilitary training, storing foodstuffs and supplies, and caching weapons and ammunition. They often reside on compounds located in remote areas.”

The leadership of the more radical “CI” groups advocate, but do not themselves engage in violence against Jews, Blacks, and Homosexuals now, rather than waiting for Armageddon to begin.

The Watchman web site contained a quote from a Christian Identity leader which gives a flavor of their style of rhetoric, and their predictions for the future of North America:

“We are going to build the Kingdom of our God on this continent if we have to turn it into a Bosnia first! Death may find you in front of your one-eyed church of Satan or in the filthy bingo parlors where you worship your devil god, but be sure that you will not escape the consuming fire that is the real baptism of the Holy Ghost, The God of Racial Israel.2

There’s a lot more at the link along with references linked to the numbers. I’d like to ask the audience to consider where we can find more people in positions of socio-political leadership: Christian church members or people who hold a PhD in evolutionary biology? Darwin, I contend, was a piker when it comes to fomenting racism.

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"Adherents of Christian Identity follow a theology that is admittedly bizarre. The Bible, to them, is the history of the white race. Jews are the biological descendants of Satan, who impregnated Eve in the Garden of Eden."
Southern Poverty Law Center, Fall 2005

By R Hampton (not verified) on 16 Mar 2009 #permalink

Even DaveScot's too honest for Uncommon Descent.

I'm confused. What could have inspired this sudden outburst of intellectual honesty?

By Josh in California (not verified) on 16 Mar 2009 #permalink

Even DaveScot's too honest for Uncommon Descent.

Hell has just frozen over.

Woot! time for ice skating.

Liberal Christians and the non-religious saw all humans as related and opposed slavery on such grounds. On the other hand the conservative Christians used creationism as a justification for slavery. They believed that God had created Africans as inferior humans; subhumans who needed to be enslaved as that was their purpose in creation. They didn't like Darwin's notion of common decent. Evolution meant that God's "mark of Ham" would be wrong, and in order to maintain a literal understanding of scripture Darwin had to be opposed.

Creationists continue their beliefs of literal scripture, they just happen to ignore the more racist traditions. Blaming evolution for racism is mere projection, the traditional advocates of racism are the creationists.

No doubt about it, DaveScot was a ball buster, but at least he turned away from the Darkside at the end.

Liberal Christians and the non-religious saw all humans as related and opposed slavery on such grounds.

Not entirely accurate. There were non-religious people who believed the different races were different species for "scientific" reasons, and were generally supportive of slavery.

Of course, that nonsense was finally destroyed by Darwin's theory of evolution, as I pointed out a while ago.

Too bad one has to remind the IDidiots: Hitler was opposed to Darwins idea, the thought that the "white race" could have descended from african origins infuriated him.

He also clearly stated in part 2 of "mein kampf" that the aryan race was given the duty to reign over the planet unequivocally by "god".

Hell has just frozen over.

Woot! time for ice skating.

With creationists out there, we really don't need to worry about burning in hell - it just freezes over way too often. It's the best way to escape global warming: Go to hell!

The UD insistence that it treats all posts equally (" long as they aren't...") brings to mind another communicator: The unashamedly ultra-Right Fox News Cable Channel. Its slogan is "Fair and Balanced".