If there’s one thing that’s amusing about the antivaccine movement, it’s the disconnect between its members’ perception of their own importance and the reality of it, which is that they tend to be a pretty pathetic, risible band. They post their blogs, full of the rage of Dunning-Kruger, thinking that they are putting forth the most sophisticated scientific arguments that real scientists, who have spent their entire professional life studying vaccines and autism, somehow missed and finding evidence of a link that no other scientist can. Of course, pesky things like rigorous study design tend to get in the way of real scientists finding the same things that antivaccine crank scientists, like Mark Geier, Christopher Shaw, Andrew Wakefield, or the like do.

Particularly pathetic in general have been antivaccine “protests,” starting with the infamous “Green Our Vaccines” march on Washington, lead by none other than Jenny McCarthy herself. The only reason that march got the attention it did was because Jenny McCarthy and her then-boyfriend Jim Carrey led the march. Other “protests” in which there isn’t celebrity leadership (or at least a celebrity face) have been much less “impressive,” consisting often of small bands of loons standing outside the CDC or the American Academy of Pediatrics and waving placards. Alternatively, it consists of a bit of antivaccine activism at places like Freedomfest. I’ll admit that there are sometimes exceptions to this rule, such as when antivaccine views combine with a natural American tendency not to be want to be told what to do by the government, as happened last summer in the opposition to California SB 277, the bill passed into law that will eliminate nonmedical exemptions beginning with the 2016 school year.

The most recent pathetic display by antivaccinationists of just what fringe cranks they are is scheduled for this Saturday, October 24, and is being promoted by—of course!—the merry band of antivaccinationists at the crank blog Age of Autism in a post filled with typical hyperbole entitled The Week American Parents Demanded Truth from CDC. It’s something I’ve known about for quite some time now, but now that it’s almost here I feel an obligation to mention it:

And:

Oh, goody. It’s the “CDC Whistleblower” manufactured scandal again, the one that produced a book by Kevin Barry that fizzled. Yes, the fruits of William Thompson’s betrayal of his CDC colleagues is still in play, complete with the false claim that the CDC covered up “smoking gun” evidence that the MMR vaccine causes autism in African-American boys. Notice the specificity. As I joked the very first time this whole “CDC whistleblower” nonsense popped up, it’s amazing how the very study being touted by antivaccinationists as having been altered to cover up this, even if taken as represented by antivaccine activist Brian Hooker’s “reanalysis,” proves Andrew Wakefield wrong, as it showed not a whiff of a hint of a whisper of a correlation between MMR and autism in any subgroup other than African-American males.

Of course, as I explained time and time again, this correlation only showed up in African American boys because of small numbers and failure to properly correct for confounders, which is why it disappeared when better analyses were made. It’s depressing how someone who really should know better, namely Dr. Thompson, so easily fell for this mistake and has apparently been torturing himself with “guilt” over his failure to speak out about this “cover up” since 2004. There was a time when I thought that Thompson was just misguided, but these days I think he’s gone full-on antivaccine. Not surprisingly, the videos above include the usual misinformation about the “CDC whistleblower’s” revelations and promises involvement of the Nation of Islam. As I said when the antivaccine movement cozied up to the Nation of Islam, if you want your movement to be taken seriously, the best thing to do is to cozy up with loons like the Nation of Islam, which has become in essence a wholly owned subsidiary of the Church of Scientology. Cranks of a feather, indeed.

So what’s going on in Atlanta this weekend? Take a peak at the CDC Truth website. On Friday night, there’s a rally at the CDC headquarters from 7 AM to 2 PM. (What they’ll be doing all that time, who knows? Probably being annoying but not effective.) Then they’re having a dinner, and you—yes, you!—”could WIN a once in a lifetime opportunity to have an intimate dinner with the Stars of #cdcTRUTH Rally!” Amusingly, as of this writing, only $818 of the target of $4,000 had been raised, which, if I were organizing this event, would would worry the crap out of me a mere four days before the event. Be that as it may, you, too, could hang with the luminaries and stars of this event, were you to win the raffle. These are the same people who will be speaking on Saturday at the rally at Grant Park:

  • Barbara Loe Fisher
  • Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
  • Minister Tony
  • Dr. Brian Hooker
  • Dr. Toni Bark
  • Eric Gladen
  • Alison Folmar
  • Marcella Piper-Terry
  • Stacy Francis
  • The Refusers
  • All Star Blues Messenger
  • Lyn Redwood
  • Ron Cummins

What? No Andrew Wakefield? What’s wrong with these people? After all, he’s Nelson Mandela and Jesus Christ all rolled up into one!

I was amused to see that The Refusers will be there. The amusement comes from just how bad The Refusers are at writing tunes and just how idiotic their antivaccine arguments are. I have no idea who the All Star Blues Messenger is, but I do know The Refusers. I even have one of their CDs (for free, of course). Let’s just say that subtlety is not one of their strong points, as they favor song titles like Vaccine Gestapo. Let’s just put it this way. Originality is not The Refusers’ strong point.

Not surprisingly, the sponsors of this event comprise a cast of the usual suspects, a cornucopia of antivaccine groups such as:

  • Focus for health (Barry Segal’s anti-vaccine outfit)
  • Mississippi Parents for Vaccine Rights
  • educateadvocateca dot com (California autism group)
  • Richie Onori’s Blues Messenger
  • The Mom Street Journal
  • The Weston A. Price Foundation
  • The Refusers
  • Our Kids Our Choice (California anti-vaccine group)
  • The Refusers
  • National Vaccine Information Center
  • Million Mamas Movement (Wendy Silver’s outfit)
  • Mandate the Truth — Voters Call the Shots
  • SafeMinds
  • Moms in Charge
  • VaxTruth
  • Rawesome Juicery
  • The Greater Good Movie
  • The Thinking Moms’ Revolution
  • A Voice for Choice

Barbara Loe Fisher will be there (of course). In her own video, she tries to link this new rally to her own rally 30 years ago over the DPT vaccine:

Note the portentousness:

In the spring of 1986, NVIC co-founder Kathi Williams and I gathered with a small group of parents in Atlanta, Georgia to hold the first public demonstration demanding that the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) be truthful with the American public about vaccine injuries and deaths. We held up signs with photos of children who had died or been brain injured by toxic whole cell DPT vaccine to witness and honor them, the children who had no voice and had no choice.

Now here’s the link to today:

Almost 30 years later, on Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 1 p.m., Kathi and I will again gather with parents in Atlanta, this time for the Truth, Transparency & Freedom Rally in Grant Park. The rally is being organized and sponsored by the parent-led Vaccine Injury Awareness League (VIAL), a small California non-profit founded this year after the Pharma-led forced vaccination lobby descended upon that state’s legislature and attacked the human right to informed consent to medical risk taking so they could eliminate the personal belief vaccine exemption and the civil right to a school education.

There actually is a difference between thirty years ago and now. Thirty years ago, Barbara Loe Fisher wasn’t truly antivaccine. She actually worked with legislators to pass the National Child Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, which set up the Vaccine Court that she now castigates so regularly. In the 30 years since those early rallies, Fisher has become quite antivaccine, to the point where I usually refer to her as the grand dame of the antivaccine movement, because she’s been at it the longest, at least of the current crop of antivaccine activists. In any case, if you don’t believe that her group, the Orwellian-named National Vaccine Information Center, isn’t antivaccine, just peruse the site for a while, particularly its memorial for “vaccine victims” and its pseudoscientific vaccine ingredient calculator, and you’ll see that it’s as antivaccine as they come.

Oh, and the DPT was ultimately exonerated. Larger epidemiological studies done later failed to find a link between the DPT and encephalopathy. As is typical, new scientific evidence failed to sway the NVIC.

To go along with the antivaccine embarrassment near the CDC, there’ll be a West Coast rally in Oakland on Saturday as well:

Here we go:

Council for Vaccine Safety, and A Voice for Choice, in collaboration with community leaders, announce that on October 24, 2015 at 12 noon, protesters will rally at Frank Ogawa Plaza in Oakland, Calif. in solidarity with the Truth, Transparency & Freedom Rally happening on the same day at the CDC in Atlanta, Georgia.

Protesters are standing against CDC corruption and the disturbing partnership between industry and government, which undermines the health, safety, and freedom of American citizens. In particular, the protesters are calling for the “CDC Whistleblower” Dr. William Thompson, to be subpoenaed to give evidence to congress, following the revelation by Florida Rep Bill Posey (R) that CDC scientists were allegedly instructed to destroy vaccine research which revealed a link between the MMR vaccine and autism, particularly African American boys.

At 12 noon protesters will rally at Frank Ogawa Plaza in Oakland, California in solidarity with the Truth, Transparency & Freedom Rally happening on the same day at the CDC in Atlanta, Georgia.

The speaker lineup in Oakland will be—shall we say?—a lot less scintillating than the Atlanta lineup:

  • Minister Keith Muhammad – Resident minister at the Nation of Islam mosque in Oakland. He is an educator and activist and has served Bay Area communities for decades.
  • Sister Tesha Muhammad – Tesha is a graduate of University of California at Berkeley, a mother of four including two vaccine damaged sons. The experience of dealing with the challenges associated with autism has motivated her to become an activist against unsafe vaccines.
  • Dr. Tina Kimmel, former research scientist for the California Department of Public Health’s Immunization Branch.
  • Samsarah Morgan, mother and grandmother, and founder of Nia Healing Center for Birth and Family Life.
  • Brandy Vaughan, former Merck employee, and founder of Council for Vaccine Safety.
  • Christina Hildebrand, founder of A Voice for Choice.

What? “Dr. Bob” Sears wasn’t available? Maybe he just couldn’t make the trip up to the Bay Area from his redoubt in the San Diego area. It is a long trip. in any case, this is about as “B” of a “B-team” as I can imagine. In fact, this is more like a C- or a D-team when it comes to antivaccine activists.

Personally, I find this “rally” (or these “rallies”) to be evidence of just how marginalized the antivaccine movement is. I would like to think they are a sad, last gasp of a dying movement, but, if there’s one thing I’ve learned, it’s that the antivaccine movement, no matter how beaten down it is, never dies. Like Michael Myers or Jason in a slasher film, it always returns to endanger our children and kill again.

Comments

  1. #1 herr doktor bimler
    October 25, 2015

    Shoenfeld and Agmon-Levin starred in this earlier Oracpost and comment thread:
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/08/09/antivaccinationists-against-the-hpv-vaccine-round-5000/

    Third editor Tomljenovic has featured considerably more often for her contributions to science-shaped hilarity.

  2. #2 capnkrunch
    October 25, 2015

    JP@202

    Does general indifference* toward the concept (of gender) count as confusion?

    You should probably start chelation therapy just in case.

  3. #3 Denice Walter
    October 25, 2015

    @ JP:

    Yes, Dan is gay and also a dick.

    You say something that brings to mind what I heard about multiple ( 38?) gender labels on social media/ campuses – including none/ aromantic/ neutral. And use of the singular *they* as a pronoun.

    Although this is supposed to be a thing now I do recall quite a few gay/ lesbian/ bi/ straight folk back in the mists of time who made similar statements. To be honest, I don’t strongly identify with what is supposed to be feminine although I do like some – but not all of the trappings- I like men – perhaps a little too much – but I am usually able to ‘manage’ them in a manner that they accept and enjoy.

    Ooh, that sounds very bad.

    At any rate, For a while back then- and not just locally as I was travelling/ studying about the wide world – younger folk seemed to really question sex roles and stereotypes. There’s a different slant on it now though.

  4. #4 shay
    October 25, 2015

    Would you classify the preeminent immunologists, scientists and doctors who collaborated on the new medical textbook, “Vaccines and Autoimmunity” as “antivax” lunatics ??!!

    Short answer? Yes.

  5. #5 JP
    October 25, 2015

    At any rate, For a while back then- and not just locally as I was travelling/ studying about the wide world – younger folk seemed to really question sex roles and stereotypes. There’s a different slant on it now though.

    Oh, we (I suppose) have always been there, in one form or another, and pretty much always the marginal-among-the-marginal. One of the things that I found super obnoxious about the new Stonewall movie is the way it totally stripped the event of all the tough butch dykes and drag queens, let alone other trans people. The suburban-aspiring non-hets don’t like being associated with such freak show riff-raff, I suppose.

    The film was also super white-washed in terms of race. Just generally kind of ugh.

  6. #6 herr doktor bimler
    October 25, 2015

    the new medical textbook, “Vaccines and Autoimmunity”

    Dare I ask about the courses which will be taught using this book-shaped artifact as the text? Or is “textbook” used here merely to endow it with an aura of acceptance?

  7. #7 herr doktor bimler
    October 25, 2015

    capnkrunch:
    You should probably start chelation therapy just in case.
    Chelation doesn’t work when the mercury is bound up with testosterone. Didn’t the Geiers’ work teach you anything? That’s why they introduced the Lupron protocol.

  8. #8 doug
    October 25, 2015

    Have I just not been paying attention, or is “Children’s Medical Safety Research Institute” something new?

  9. #10 doug
    October 25, 2015

    Danke, herr doktor.
    I didn’t turn up either of the posts you linked into when I tried searches. I wouldn’t have found Tara’s, since I searched only RI (tried the search box for CMSRI, then the full name).
    Am I being a dolt and searching incompetently, or do you have a astounding memory?

    I wish I’d put on my best cringing shawl before visiting the CMSRI site.

  10. #11 Puddin' Tane
    October 25, 2015

    In honor to the protesters at the CDC:

    “Vaccines cause brain damage: the mothers know.” (Jon Rappoport/No More Fake News):

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/09/02/vaccines-cause-brain-damage-the-mothers-know/

  11. #12 Narad
    October 25, 2015

    Jon Rappoport/No More Fake News

    “I have experienced no pressure or retaliation and certainly was not escorted from the building, as some have stated.”

  12. #13 Dangerous Bacon
    October 25, 2015

    “Those anti-vaxxers will have the last laugh”

    As predicted in the following cartoon (imagine the audience is reacting to a documentary showing the return of vaccine-preventable diseases, and a solitary antivaxer is having “the last laugh”):

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5ISf9UtYcMg/TwhNs07drHI/AAAAAAAACEI/VOzBjAJbyK4/s1600/Addams+sad+movie.jpg

  13. #14 capnkrunch
    October 25, 2015

    I see the CMSRI also likes to JAQ off. Are they profiteering FUDdruckers? “Makes you wonder.”

    Comment by Jim Easter from herr doktor bimler’s second link:

    Behind the false fronts, there are only a handful of anti-vaccine cranks, with Shaw, Tomljenovic and Shoenfeld at the center, all citing one another.

    IIRC, this trick was used briefly in the early days of SEO but Google stomped it out pretty quickly. roguepharmacy.ru must be legit, look at all the incoming links (from rogue-pharmacy.ru)! Just like these guys must be legit, look at all their references (to their other papers).

    Just goes to show that Google’s algorithms have better critical thinking skills that Jackie Horton. Shocking for an antivaxer.

    Denice Walter@205

    And use of the singular *they* as a pronoun.

    Lack of a gender neutral singular personal pronoun always struck me as a glaring omission in our langauge. I’m of the ‘no singular they’ camp (in writing at least) but man is he/she (or she/he, it don’t matter) ugly. And referring to someone in speech as he or she or she or he just seems offensive. We really need a new word because misappropriating they is not the least bit elegant.

  14. #15 Narad
    October 25, 2015

    IIRC, this trick was used briefly in the early days of SEO but Google stomped it out pretty quickly. roguepharmacy.ru must be legit, look at all the incoming links (from rogue-pharmacy.ru)! Just like these guys must be legit, look at all their references (to their other papers).

    A few checks of non-Shoenfeld items in the TOC suggested that more than a few such items are rehashes of stuff that has already been published by the same people but with Shoenfeld as a coauthor.

  15. #16 JP
    October 25, 2015

    Lack of a gender neutral singular personal pronoun always struck me as a glaring omission in our langauge. I’m of the ‘no singular they’ camp (in writing at least) but man is he/she (or she/he, it don’t matter) ugly. And referring to someone in speech as he or she or she or he just seems offensive. We really need a new word because misappropriating they is not the least bit elegant.

    I mean, “they” as a singular pronoun for a person whose gender is unknown has been standard English usage since at least Chaucer. (“Somebody left their gloves on the table.” “Somebody called and asked for you this morning.” “Did they say what they wanted?” And so on.) It’s really a funny kind of schoolmarmishness when people get bothered about, saying it’s “incorrect,” and so on. I mean, “you” is grammatically plural, for Pete’s sake.

    That said, I do find it feels unnatural to refer to a specific person, like someone who’s in the room with me, as “they,” but I definitely do it if somebody asks me to. I mean, it is at least an attested English usage, as opposed to pronouns like “xie” and so on, which never did seem to catch on at all.

    I wonder if it feels unnatural just because I’m so un-used to it. I personally just go with “she,” because it makes life simpler, but I have never minded being taken for a he. Being called “it” is unpleasantly dehumanizing, though.

  16. #17 herr doktor bimler
    October 26, 2015

    Am I being a dolt and searching incompetently, or do you have a astounding memory?

    Now I cannot admit to having a less-than-astounding memory without calling Doug a dolt.
    I resorted to the Gougle, for the Scienceblogs search option only looks at the original post, not at the comment thread.

  17. #18 Alain
    October 26, 2015

    JP (ref:http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/10/20/yet-another-antivaccine-rally-yet-another-yawn/#comment-419971),

    I really really don’t want to disrespect you or make you uncomfortable; thus, am I allowed to have a crush on you?

    Alain

  18. #19 JP
    October 26, 2015

    @Alain:

    Haha, yes, of course you are allowed. 🙂

  19. #20 Alain
    October 26, 2015

    Has,

    Don’t worry, Lord Draconis is one of our best client out there 😉

    Many thanks JP,

    For reference, mine is in the top left corner of this page:

    https://scholar.google.ca/citations?user=TknNZcAAAAAJ&hl=fr

    Alain

  20. #21 Helianthus
    October 26, 2015

    @ Liz Ditz #171

    Makes you wonder how t parents without such educational advantages manage. I’ll give you a clue: they don’t, and their children are under-served.

    Add “being from a non-English*-speaking country” to the mix, and the success rate of correctly filled forms drops even further.

    *well, non-local-language. Filling forms in French is not easier than filling them in English if you only have a basic grasp of the country’s language and next to nil knowledge of the local bureaucracy.

  21. #22 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    October 26, 2015

    Lack of a gender neutral singular personal pronoun always struck me as a glaring omission in our langauge.

    Back when I was a lad, there was a gender neutral singular personal pronoun in common use. Anybody could use it as he needed to. It also happened to be spelled the same as the masculine singular personal pronoun.

    Another that has been in use is “one”, and it’s a handy word to add to one’s arsenal. However, this seems not to have caught on*, and it doesn’t really work well in certain contexts like “McCartney is a guitar player and one used to be in the Beatles” or “Bernie Sanders? Who’s one?”

    Of course, one could simply use either “he” or “she” as a genderless term, applying corrections as desired. Example: “I just read a book by Kim Stanley Robinson.” “What’s she written?” “He wrote ‘Blue Mars’.”

    But then, that would lead to snickering.

    * I blame Harry Nilsson.

  22. #23 Denice Walter
    October 26, 2015

    It seems that the CDC rally included a speech by RFK jr, who issues this challenge:
    ” Frank De Stefano, if you didn’t poison these children, you need to sue me right now and shut me up”
    AoA displayed a recording of him ( that didn’t play)
    and also put out a “virtual debate” of Offit vs Haley.

    Those actions should summarise the anti-vaxxers current state of being:
    talking to themselves.

  23. #24 Broken Link
    October 26, 2015

    @Denise #225. Why on earth would DeStefano worry about suing such a sad little rump of people? According to reports I’ve seen, they had 200-400 people at the Rally. And this is after a large amount of time to prepare and the NOI behind them.

  24. #25 Denice Walter
    October 26, 2015

    Broken Link, I think it’s funny how these people toss about insults like ‘research fraud’ when most of them idolise AJW.

  25. #26 has
    October 26, 2015

    Renate@193:

    These people should try their hand on writing fiction instead of telling people they bring out some secret truth.

    Write it? They live it!

  26. #27 JP
    October 26, 2015

    @Alain:

    I see we have the same barber.

  27. #28 Brian Deer
    October 26, 2015

    Firstly, CDC doesn’t sue. Secondly, if it did, Kennedy would be screaming a defence of Ist amendment, protected speech, hyperbole, about fifteen seconds later.

    It’s sad to think that anyone has ever been represented by a lawyer of such low calibre.

    As a journalist, I’d obviously kill for documents of the kind he speaks of. Sadly, I’ve read some of the reports that he says accuses CDC of being a “cesspool of corruption”, and they don’t.

    Nor did Thompson accuse anybody of fraud in anything I’ve seen.

    So I won’t be holding my breath.

  28. #29 Denice Walter
    October 26, 2015

    ” Firstly, CDC doesn’t sue.”

    Which is probably why he made the statement, He KNOWS it ain’t gonna happen.

  29. #30 herr doktor bimler
    October 26, 2015

    ” Frank De Stefano, if you didn’t poison these children, you need to sue me right now and shut me up”

    That’s comment-thread trolling tactics. “Here are some delusional and barely comprehensible claims; if you ignore me and fail to refute them at length then you are ADMITTING THEY ARE TRUE, hurr hurr”.

  30. #31 Brian Deer
    October 26, 2015

    I noticed that he also played the “show me the paper” gambit, which was a favourite of the old Aids denialists.

    Show me one paper that proves that HIV…. blah, blah.

  31. #32 herr doktor bimler
    October 26, 2015

    Kennedy would be screaming a defence of Ist amendment, protected speech, hyperbole, about fifteen seconds later

    It would require the purportedly defamed individuals to show that Kennedy had enough credibility and standing in the community for the stupid spilling out from his mouth to injure their reputations.

  32. #33 Denice Walter
    October 26, 2015

    For some reason, I am frequently invited to a Spring garden party for an environmental advocacy group held at an historic estate where Kennedy is speaking or present.

    So far, I have resisted the opportunity for close-up observation and sarcasm.

  33. #34 ChrisP
    October 26, 2015

    I think that Kennedy’s speech tells us all we need to know about him. He is an irrelevant bump on history that not even the tabloids will take seriously, trying to trade on his famous name and failing. And he knows it.

    His “You’re a liar. So sue me or it is true” exercise is seriously scraping the bottom of the barrel.

  34. #35 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    October 26, 2015

    If Frank De Stefano doesn’t challenge Kennedy to a duel and defeat him then he admits that everything Kennedy says is true, that pigs fly, and that Bilbo Baggins is the real King under the Mountain.

  35. #36 Narad
    October 26, 2015

    That’s comment-thread trolling tactics. “Here are some delusional and barely comprehensible claims; if you ignore me and fail to refute them at length then you are ADMITTING THEY ARE TRUE, hurr hurr”.

    It was nice of him to throw Wakefraud under the bus, though – after all, he never followed through on his promise to sue Emily Willingham.

  36. #37 ChrisP
    Australia
    October 27, 2015

    Apparently Judy Mikovits was there as well.

    Which reminds me. If Judy didn’t sue Abbie Smith for showing the labels on a blot had been changed, does this make Smith’s claims all true?

  37. #38 Lisa morelli
    October 28, 2015

    Orca is a troll who spreads lies because he gets grants from pharma and then does studies with that money. Orac will go to hell for not protecting people. What comes around goes around.

  38. #39 Alain
    October 28, 2015

    Annual salary of a bank CEO in Canada:

    http://www.canadianbusiness.com/lists-and-rankings/richest-people/top-100-highest-paid-ceos-2015/

    Annual salary of a medical doctor:

    http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Family_Physician_%2f_Doctor/Salary

    Dear Lisa Morelli, are you saying that medical doctor are in it for the money?

    If so, why the top of the cream of every university medical school justify the absolutely insane choice of going into medicine instead of becoming a banker and making a ton more money; legitimately of course?

    Alain

  39. #40 LouV
    France
    October 28, 2015

    Orca is a troll who spreads lies

    Alright, which lies ? And I suppose you have evidence to back up your version ?

  40. #41 Denice Walter
    October 28, 2015

    ORAC.
    Orca is over at whale.to.

  41. […] that I didn’t discuss the antivaccine rally scheduled to be held in Atlanta last weekend that I wrote about last week. As you might recall, this rally consisted of two crappy tastes that taste crappy together, namely […]

  42. #43 herr doktor bimler
    October 28, 2015

    Orca is a troll who spreads lies

    Perhaps Lisa has a confused recollection of Orcus, one of the Roman gods of the underworld, punisher of broken oaths.Or perhaps of the supernatural figure of the same name in Saberhagen’s “Empire of the East: trilogy.

  43. #44 LouV
    France
    October 29, 2015

    Or it could simply be an autocorrect fail. *shrugs*
    Still waiting for concrete demonstrations of lies by the way.

    Orca is a troll who spreads lies because he gets grants from pharma and then does studies with that money.

    Pharma influence, although pervasive, is not that simple, and the author himself offered his version of this accusation.
    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/in-which-i-am-once-again-in-the-crosshairs-of-age-of-autisms-pharma-shill-machine-gun/

    Also, yes, if a study is funded by industry, it has to be read with an extra degree of skepticism. But this is far from sufficient to declare it wrong from the start.

  44. #45 Narad
    November 12, 2015

    Hey, guess what Shoenfeld has been up to lately (PDF).

  45. #46 herr doktor bimler
    November 13, 2015

    I learned from Narad’s link that the Petitioner had a couple of hepatitis shots, and six months later went to see Dr Harold Buttram, and then fell part completely. From which (by the principle of temporal proximity) we can conclude that exposure to anti-vax cranks can seriously damage one’s psychological health

  46. #47 Helianthus
    November 13, 2015

    @ hdb

    From which (by the principle of temporal proximity) we can conclude that exposure to anti-vax cranks can seriously damage one’s psychological health

    You are joking, but:
    Given that exposure to a convincing salesperson or a talented religious preacher is known to have some success at influencing people decisions, be it buying a bigger car or converting to a new religion*, that may not be so far-fetched an hypothesis.

    * Or like the Norwegian student who killed herself in Nice in 2008 right after visiting the local branch of the Church of Happyology and taking their personality test. But I digress.

  47. #48 Science Mom
    http://justthevax.blogspot.com/
    November 13, 2015

    That was interesting Narad, thanks. HDB notes the interesting “physician” the petitioner initially sought out. I had no idea that soliciting prostitutes was a vaccine side effect. It’s not on the package insert.

  48. #49 Helianthus
    November 13, 2015

    @ Science Mom

    I had no idea that soliciting prostitutes was a vaccine side effect. It’s not on the package insert.

    Eh, 95% of people* patronizing a peripatéticienne are vaccinated. Coincidence? I think not.

    * or whatever the % of vaccinated people is in the general population…

  49. #50 shay simmons
    November 13, 2015

    “Peripateticienne.”

    Gawd. This is why I love French.

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