The wackier inhabitants of WingNutDaily are apparently thrilled by the news that some nutjob in Georgia scoured his home state until he found 24 other people nuttier than himself, swore them in as a "Citizen Grand Jury", took "sworn testimony" from various birther loons, and "indicted" President Obama. (He won't say what they indicted him for, citing the need to maintain secrecy so as to not impede the forthcoming prosecution.) They've "served" the "indictment" on various Federal and Georgia officials, and are threatening that unless action is taken within 40 days, they may:
...distrain and oppress the government in every way in their power, namely, by taking the homes, lands, possessions, and any way else they can until amends shall have been made according to the sole judgment of the grand jury.
Ed Brayton picked up on all that this morning, but he seems to have missed the best part. I waded a little farther into the nutjob's website, and found this gem of a quote. I swear I'm not making it up:
When the colonies separated from England, King John retaliated by revoking the charters. Technically, the colonies were without any legal authority to operate. However, civics (the branch of political philosophy concerned with individual rights) was generally taught and known by the people who asserted their rights and maintained order by applying the common law. The people united in the form of common law grand juries and continued the functioning of government.
That's right. King John retaliated against the evil colonists. You know, the ones sitting on the continent that Europeans wouldn't find out about for another 200+ years.
The really sad thing is that I'm almost certain this website isn't intended to be a joke.
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Wait now - America was colonised by the English in the 1400's?
And here was me thinking Jamestown was founded in the early 1600's (ie around 400 years after John's reign ended). Silly Dingo! - :)
King John, King George - what's the diff?
Common law grand juries, Real law - same reality.
Scoured the state? Local pub more like.
Ah, I understand now. He's talking about the English possessions in Normandy that were lost by King John (reigned 1199-1216). I'm not sure what charters would have applied there, since Magna Carta was largely a restatement of conventional English aristocratic wisdom since late Saxon times, but I'm sure he revoked then like a good 'un. Pity those Norman grand juries never stood much of a chance against the king of France.
And then, just when all was lost, Robin Hood appeared and saved the Colonies. Then he and Marion forced the Magna Carta, and brought it to Gen. Washington. Gen. Washington rejected it, because he knew Robin Hood was a theif, thus not a christian, and instead went and gathered the fathers together to found a christian nation. And so, America was formed while a star shone and the virgin Marion gave birth to Baby Patriot Jesus who gave a biblical constitution to the fathers which was subsequently stolen and hidden away in a secret cave by evil secular progressives who secretly wanted islam to dominate. Because they were atheists.
Come on. Teach the controversy.
lol
I'll bet they have a secret handshake, and maybe a treehouse in the back yard. It probably has a sign saying "No gurls."
Wow, we are looking at neutron star densities of stupid there.
1. King John revoked colonial charters more than 550 years after his death?!
2. By definition, a new government has "no legal authority to operate" when the old one is overthrown.
3. The ideas behind civics, which was new at the time, were "generally taught" to people, many of whom never learned (or needed to learn) how to read and write?
4. You think that a colonial government which has just voted to separate from the King would obey an order from said king to dissolve? And new leaders would arise spontaneously?
5. Even if all of the above were granted, a grand jury is the first priority in creating a new government?
I think MikeMa is being generous--it probably took several pubs worth of inebriated idiots to find this crowd.
Mike, I doubt the sane people of the world have any more scoped the wackiness of Wing Nut Daily than they have the weirdness of invertebrate reproductive practices. Just when you think there's nothing weirder than an octopus that tears off a tentacle and offers it to his mate, after lathering it with his sperm, you run across a spider who breaks off his male organ and purposely leaves it inside his mate. The octopus, at least, grows another tentacle.
This grand jury business? That's only fair to middlin' wackiness, from the kind of people who take Glenn Beck seriously. It gets much wackier over at Wing Nut Daily.
And whenever I think it can't possibly get any wackier... well, I've stopped thinking that.
Eric Lund
No, I'm afraid they were most likely sober. In some places in the world, the pubs are filled with rational people trying to drink away the pain caused by the sea of stupid surrounding them.
Is it just me, or has Wing Nut Daily's rhetoric inched closer and closer to endorsing violence since Obama's inauguration
"...drink away the pain caused by the sea of stupid surrounding them."
I'll have what that gentleman over there is having.
For a good laugh about all the birther stupidity check out the forum over at politijab.com! They have been following and mocking the birther madness for months!
Those aren't inches; they're yards. And they are being measured out in goose-steps.
Well, it seems you guys are just being partisan maybe... Im no fan of W, but if this guy is lying about his BC, then he is a liar right? Taitz says she also has multiple BC's registered in his name years ago. I'm sorry, I bow to no man, and I will never defend a liar. This should be examined, he should release the BC, by not, he is giving the so called clowns credibility. No?
Kelly, the clowns wouldn't be assuaged by the original birth certificate. In case you missed it, their pretend concern for that is mixed with arguments that even granting Obama's certificate is accurate, he still doesn't qualify for a variety of reasons. So, no, there is absolutely no reason for Obama to make any step toward placating the wackos. The wackos will not be placated. Period. They should be ignored and treated like children, fitting their behavior.
The COLB Obama did provide is exactly the same certificate that Hawaiian citizens use to acquire passports and otherwise prove their citizenship and birthplace. The notion that it is somehow inadequate from a legal stance is totally bogus. And yeah, I've heard the arguments. a) Hawaii has sometimes provided COLBs to those not born there? Sure. But do those then document then state the place of birth as being Hawaii? No, of course not. b) Hawaii says the COLB is inadequate to the purpose of land grants to those of native Hawaiian descent? So what? Whether someone's family is native Hawaiian is an entirely different issue that Obama is not claiming, that has nothing to do with his US citizenship status, and that yes, requires documentation beyond Hawaiian birth.
Umm, Kelly...
The BC Obama released to the public is exactly what any citizen who needs to order a certified copy of their birth certificate from their natal state to, for example, obtain a drivers license after moving to another state, will receive.
Obama doesn't have the power to release the original from the state archives because that is specifically prohibited by Hawaii law.
Purely out of curiosity, are you really an idiot or do you just play one on the internet?
Dear Obamatards:
Only rocket scientists such as yourselves would vote for a complete unknown with no credentials and a shady background simply because he is the Jackass Party Candidate. GUess what...Obama has done everything within his power to avoid showing his real birth certificate, college records, medical records or passport records. Why? If we are "wing-nuts" for wanting some actual proof of who this clown is and where he came from, then, you guys are beyond stupid! If we are kooky, Obama must be out of his ever-loving mind because he could put this to rest by just producing the documents. Instead, he spends a million dollars on attorney fees to keep anyone from seeing his records. Only a criminal with something to hide would do that. It is typical of Democrats to call names when people confront them with facts. THey have no answers that make any sense so name calling is all they have left. Keep drinking your Obama Kool-Aid folks. THe party aint over yet. When Obama is removed from office, you will be proven to be the fools that you are. Let's face it, this guy was a nobody, know-nothing that suddenly got annointed to be your candidate by the liberal press. HOw does that happen? Who are you going to run in 2012...some homeless bum who lives in a shopping cart? Look at the great job Obama is doing so far. At the rate this moron is going, we'll all be living in shopping carts within the year! Talk about clueless or...just perhaps he is the New World Order guy sent here to ruin America. If the latter is the case, he is doing a real fine job. Nobody could actually be as stupid as this guy about economics. I suspect he knows exactly what he is doing or has been told to do by his handlers. I wasn't born in a communist, third world country and I'll be damned if I will stand by and let this worthless piece of crap ruin my country without a fight. As for you folks, if you like what he is doing, I suggest you move to Cuba if that is your idea of paradise. Obama is a fraud and a traitor to the USA. You who support his agenda are also traitors or just plain stupid. Take your pick. I suggest you wake up from your Obama induced coma long enough to find out what you actually voted for...an illegal alien, black muslim communist. THat's the CHANGE you can believe in.
@#16 - is there the political equivalent to a Poe? If so, I think Dave qualifies for it. Same tired rhetoric, same tired bullshit, projection, projection, projection, and won't listen to an ounce of facts because it doesn't jive with what he fantasies about.
But it's okay, Dave. You can go back to your little authoritarian wet dreams now, and let the smart people discuss the fate of this nation for the first time in 8 years.
*pats Dave on the head*
Enigma
I am sure that immature names and totally sweet put downs really justify your point on how Nutty and looney these people are, however when people do not agree with your viewpoint, is not claim enough to call them nutty. We have a great future ahead for us, we just need to ask Germany.
You forget, though. He's not just any citizen. He's dark-ish and has an exotic sounding name. Booga booga!
Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you? Did she die in vain?
To The All Knowing Enigma:
I have quite a few facts. I'll put those up against your "facts" any day. Let's see, Obama told you he was born in Hawaii so that's your fact. As I recall, his grandmother swears she was at the hospital in Kenya when he was born. Same for some cousinsand Kenyan officials. Oh..we have his school records from Indonesia and his teacher there who recall he was Barry Soetoro, a muslim Inodonesian adopted by his stepfather. Well now, we have the testimony of college friends at Occidental who remember him as Barry Soetoro an Indonesian student on grant. Now, let's see, he traveled to Pakistan in 1980 on an Indonesian passport. Hey, how about Bill Ayers the terrorist who took Obama to Chicago and gave him a job. How about his boyhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the communist party. Well now, his black muslim friend got his college tuition paid to Harvard by a Saudi Sheik. Then, of course, we have Jeremiah Wright and Obama's Palistinian buddies plus Tony Rezko who bought Obama's house in Chicago. Let's not forget Louis Farrakan (a good buddy). I can go on and on. You see, all of Obama's friends, associates, mentors in life and backers were all communists, muslims, black radicals and criminals but hey, that never rubbed off on Obama or did it? Now, I won't even get into the gay allegations out there. Next, Obama spends a million dollars to hide all of his records.Why? Ponder that! We have over 50 lawsuits filed to make Obama prove his eligibility. He won't reply.Oh, I bet he's just shy and likes his privacy. We have experts who can prove that his so-called COLB which is not proof of anything is in fact a forgery as well as a forged Selective Service registration pointed out by a retired official of the Selective Service but what does he know? We have found over 100 derivations of Barack Obama listed at different addresses with different social security numbers, one of which was listed at his college address but actually belonged to someone 108 years old! There's more but I guess these aren't enough to arouse your curiosity. You can rely on a phony document posted by factcheck.org and Obama's word. Finally, I say, look at what this guy is doing to our country or don't you read about all of the socialist policies that he and the Democrats are sneaking through Congress at the speed of light? I know, being a community organizer for ACORN is equivilent to being Warren Buffet, George Washington and Jesus Christ all rolled into one. He has no business experience. He has no legislative accomplishments whatsoever. He can't even speak without a teleprompter. He is the world's biggest abortion advocate. He is a huge gay advocate. He is anti-Chrstian in every respect while pretending to be one. He is making nice with every arab terrorist on the planet and wants to screw Israel. He wants to tax everything that moves, take away everyone's guns, set up a his own little SS corp in the US, pay back every liberal whacko organization known to man while wasting trillions of our dollars that will bankrupt America. He wants to take over the banks and a lot of industry. Sure... we'll buy into that from a guy who can't even show who he is, what his real name is or where he was even born. You say we are nuts. I say you are totally screwed up in the head. I also forgot to mention that Obama attends the Bilderberg meetings and the Trilateral Commision and Council on Foreign Relations meetings. You know..the whole New World Order, One World Government crowd. Go back to sleep and dream about your little Obama communist paradise. Dream about all of the welfare you will get, the "free" government healthcare but don't get old because it will only be available to young workers comrade. When you get old and sick, you get to die. Yes, America will start to look like North Korea pretty soon. You must be having an orgasm just thinking about it. Please tell me about your "facts". I'll bet old Barack or Barry or whatever his name is probably sent you a text message telling you don't worry...he has some change for you to believe in. Of course, he won't tell you what that means but no need to overtax your little brain, he'll take care of your thinking for you. He'll tell you what kind of car to drive (more likely a bicycle). He'll fix global warming. In fact, the earth has been cooling for seven years now. The messiah retroactively has that fixed already. He'll make you energy independant. It's simple, just don't use any. He'll let another 20 million illegal aliens flood across the border to take any jobs left so you won't really need to use any energy. You can just lounge around all day long listening to Barabara Streisand music and collect your welfare check courtesy of me and those like me who actually produce something and pay taxes. Of course, good old Barry will save us a lot on our defense budget. He'll just cut it down to nothing because he can persuade our enemies to just leave us alone through the power of his glorious persona. Like the shrink recently wrote in his book..."liberalism is a mental disorder". I'll bet you never served in the military of this nation, are an athiest and support gay marriage. You're probably a vegetarian tree hugger and spent half of your life studying at some liberal college where you got in touch with your feelings. I doubt you run your own business or meet a payroll, probably a government worker or a big union member. Yes Enigma, YOU are what is wrong with America and why we are in the mess we are in. Oh..I bet you thnk George Bush caused the housing crisis instead of Clinton and Barney Frank. You probably don't even know that Republicans passed all of the civil rights legislation and Democrats were the racists. Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican and hated the Democratic party. Did you know that? I guess real knowledge is not important to your kind, it's all about "feelings". If you want to argue with me...get some facts to argue with. Don't say I don't know what I am talking about. I don't depend on MSNBC to tell me what to think, I do my own thinking and I have two eyes that see what is going on. Go back to sleep little Obamatard, you have no ammunition to argue with.
Re #21, too crazy; couldn't read.
#21
"I won't even get into the gay allegations out there."
I haven't heard any of these. Would you post some? I loved your post and want to read more. But could you please break it up into paragraphs?
Who are "we" by the way?
Simple & direct questions for all Obamatards here: (1) What IF it is found out that Obama IS, by SCOTUS and legally accepted definitions NOT "natural born" and (2), by implication, he lied or otherwise tried to conceal or not disclose this information (remember: ALL this started BEFORE he was even NOMINATED by DNC in late August!)....should he be "allowed" to serve as POTUS, or should he be removed and prosecuted for a crime against the U.S. Constitution??
Simple premises, simple question - simple either or answer! Think carefully before you answer - you might be setting a precedent for eventual removal of your own life, liberty or pursuit of happiness.
But it's all true. I know it is, because Roosevelt told me about it when he fixed the Depression by talking on TV.
Reminds me of the global warming deniers who invoke the Medieval Warm period and mention that the Romans grew grapes in England.
Oh, stupid, stupid, stupid Dave, just repeating what he's heard from other stupid wingers or believing what he gets in his right-wing spam mail. The major civil rights bills of the 1960s were sponsored by Kennedy and Johnson, Democrats. Yes, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 required Republican votes to put them over the top because some of the Democrats -- the Southern Democrats -- refused to vote for it despite pressure from President Johnson (a Southerner himself, recall?). Where are those Southern Democrats now? They left and joined the Republican Party, which now dominates the Southern states. The GOP's Southern strategy was to replace the racist Democrats of the South with themselves, not to promote civil rights. Success!
As for the MLK-jr-was-a-Republican meme: bogus. There is no evidence that Martin Luther King, Jr., was ever a registered Republican, although the party of Lincoln once dominated the tiny handful of black voters. The GOP lost them when they spurned Lincoln's legacy.
"I also forgot to mention that Obama attends the Bilderberg meetings and the Trilateral Commision and Council on Foreign Relations meetings."
Strange, I don't see UFOS and crop circles mentioned. Dave's time limit at the library computer must have come up.
I have to laugh at the "retroactively curing global warming" - apparently he caused (also retroactively) the world's global crisis.
It must truly both Dave and those who "think" like he does, that a black man, capable of speaking coherently, has made it to the White House. How did that happen - it had to be a conspiracy - no sane person would elect a non-white.*
* I have no idea if Dave's hatred of the president is based on race, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and conclude he's really just stupid. I have no basis for my assertion that Dave's statements are based on racism. So, both Dave and I have made comments that are not supported by evidence. I did it to make a point, and admit it: Dave is simply lying.
There are very few groups who can make creationists look intelligent and informed by comparison, but the birther crowd certainly qualifies as one. How do these people even manage to turn on their computers without drooling all over the keyboard?
Don't think Obama has to answer to the Common Law Grand Jury? I have a couple book cases of law books that beg to differ. Crying "racism" is the last refuge of the weak minded.
Ed Smith, Face Palm said:
Really? All those law books talk solely on the subject of how a POTUS has to answer to so-called Common Law Grand Juries? If that's the case, then you are quite the obsessive compulsive (or you just don't throw out old editions).
However, that's beside my first point, namely, I feel that your statement is at least slightly hyperbolic. This limits the moral veracity of your statements.
Second, face-palm said:
I much prefer the original quote by Alfred Whitehead: "Religion is the last refuge of human savagery."
> When the colonies separated from England, King John ...
Wasn't that more like four thousand years ago, after Noah's Flood, when the Earth expanded suddenly and all the water drained into the newly hollow middle, and the western half of Pangaea with New York and California on it lurched further westward and Atlantis became the Atlantic Ocean?
I'm sure there was a King John somewhere in there.
If it walks like a duck, if it acts like a duck....
Denials of racism is the first refuge of the weak-minded, actually....
> You're probably a vegetarian tree hugger
There are meat trees somewhere in the South now?
I moved away too early.
Can someone send me some country ham seeds?
@ Hank,
I think the person was trying to say that trees eat only vegetative matter (and maybe eggs, milk, and fish).
There are, of course, some well-known and obscure exceptions, including the venus fly trap (Dionaea muscipula), and the carnivorous maple (Acer carnivora).
GOPwolverine said: "Think carefully before you answer - you might be setting a precedent for eventual removal of your own life, liberty or pursuit of happiness. "
Ummm... Just how will statements on a comments section of a blog post create precedent?
Dave, are you the same fundie whacj Dave I've been arguing with over at the Skeptic's Annotated Bible & Bible Babble?
I know there plenty of whackjobs out there but I find it hard to believe all daves sound alike.
#21, wow. What an ultra-concentrated dose of woo.
Dave Wisker, if #21 was an ultra-concentrated dose woo, then that was also another example of "concentration fail." True, I stopped reading after where the first paragraph should have ended (possibly you did, too).
Wow, big block of text with no carriage-returns.
What are the ODDS that it's a wacko christianist woo-woo rightwing ranting nutjob?
I read it all, LOL. Of course, I couldn't see for a few minutes afterwards.
Let's not forget that OBAMA could release his birth certificate and put an end to this search for the truth.
OBAMA is suppressing the release of his own birth certificate.
Mike Dunford should focus on attaining OBAMA's birth certificate and the reasons why OBAMA is spending millions to hide his birth certificate.
It is still unknown at which hospital OBAMA was born.
SEARCH FOR THE FACTS MR. DUNFORD. MR. DUNFORD, PLEASE ASK OBAMA TO RELEASE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. MAYBE YOU CAN FIND THE TRUTH.
And the stupidity just keeps flowing in. It was only a matter of time before we got some idiot shouting in ALL CAPS.
Sigh...
Let me tell you something about George W. Bush. He's a communist insider who wants to destroy capitalism. He wants to destroy America's war capability by extending America's war capability. He punishes the rich by forcing them to take tax cuts. That's COMMUNISM He rewards the poor by taking away social benefits. That's SOCIALISM. He wants to take over the entire world and subject it to his personal whim, and I'vegot proof for ths, I'm telling you, no joke, he's got twelce electric doctors at his command who can cause AIDS just by looking at people.He kills babies, but that's alright, because he's not an abotionist. He was born on a differnet planet and wants all humans to worship samosas. Even thought these are foreign, they have such a perfoect form that it must eb true He picks his nose and eats it. He writes in paragraphs.
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Blimey, this is difficult. How did Dave manage to write so much?
Then he should be removed from office and prosecuted for (I suspect) perjury. Also, if my wife turns out to be a brain-eating zombie, I suspect I would have to cut her head off with a battle axe or something like that. I can rest easy knowing that I have plans for both eventualities.
I, for one, would love to see the law or court decision that indicates that any random group of individuals can get together and assign additional requirements for the presidency beyond those normally required of any other candidate.
Since you Obamatards can't read without neat little paragraphs, I'll make it simple for you.
You like to call names because you have no facts other than what you hear from the likes of Keith Olbermann.
If you don't believe that MLK was a Republican, see what his own family members say at the National Black Republican website.
I don't defend Republicans. Bush was a usefull idiot for the New World Order, same as Obama.
I enjoy poking fun at you people because you are clueless and as I suspected, you are athiests. See how that works out for you when you end up in Hell for eternity.
You believe in evolution and global warming? You really ought to find out about some real science. As I said, the earth as beeen cooling for the last seven years. That is a proven scientific fact. Of course, you didn't hear that from Al Gore so I guess you wouldn't know about it.
I'll bet you guys believe those commercials that say the Polar Bears are in trouble! Guess what, the Polar Bear population is healthy and has been steadily increasing. I know you'll say I'm nuts about that because some left-wing animal rights activist told you different.
As I have said many times, you left-wingers are like putty in the hands of the propagandist socialist elite media. You'll believe whatever they tell you.
Come on back with some more names, please. That is your only available response when confronted with the truth.
One last question. If Obama pisses on your head and tells you it's raining, will you believe that too?
SUCKERS!!!!
Since you Obamatards can't read without neat little paragraphs, I'll make it simple for you.
No moron, we can read neat little paragraphs, it's the complete lack of paragraphs that are a problem.
I enjoy poking fun at you people because you are clueless and as I suspected, you are athiests. See how that works out for you when you end up in Hell for eternity.
There is no hell moron.
You believe in evolution and global warming? You really ought to find out about some real science.
Yes, as a matter of fact I do. But then I'm not an inbred rutting moron, I pay attention to actual science.
I'll bet you guys believe those commercials that say the Polar Bears are in trouble! Guess what, the Polar Bear population is healthy and has been steadily increasing. I know you'll say I'm nuts about that because some left-wing animal rights activist told you different.
No, I'll say your nuts, because that's demonstrably provable. I'll say your flat ruttin deluded, because scientists who actually pay attention to things like polar bear populations say that polar bears are in trouble.
As I have said many times, you left-wingers are like putty in the hands of the propagandist socialist elite media.
I don't pay a lick of attention to what the mainstream media says about anything. I base my opinions on what the folks who are actually involved in the various scientific endeavors I happen to have an opinion about.
One last question. If Obama pisses on your head and tells you it's raining, will you believe that too?
Thus far, he's given me little reason to believe anything that comes out of his mouth, which is not really any different than 99%+ of politicians out there. I have no doubt however, that he's legally entitled to be president - seeing as he was elected.
Old Russian saying, You can tell same lie 1000 times but not change truth.
Difference between USSR Communist media and USA "mainstream media"
In Russia government make media say what they want - even if lie.
In USA "mainstream media" try make government what they want - even if lie..
.....eventually they become same thing?!
I Igor produce Obmama birth certificate at www.igormarxo.org
Just to set the record straight for old Dean out there. I didn't mention anything about Obama's race. I didn't vote for him because he is an illegal alien, muslim, communist. I don't vote for white communists either.
You don't have to wonder whether or not I am a racist nor do I have to defend any such implication or inuendo that I might be.There are many fine blacks that I would vote for as President in a heartbeat but they are Christians and Conservatives. You probably call them "oreos" or "Uncle Toms".
Democrats like to keep the blacks angry, in poverty and dependant by promising them a few government crumbs and telling them they are too lazy and stupid to make it on their own and require special treatment so they'll keep voting for your party. I call that the Democratic Plantation System. It's been working pretty well but it has just about destroyed the black race and family in America. That is simply the truth of the matter. That is evil racism at its worst.
Get some facts man. The Democrats are the real racists and always have been. They are always the ones who bring it up even when nobody else mentions it. That's the old worn-out communist ploy, blame the opposition for doing the dirty rotten shit that you are actually doing and deflect the blame onto them. Keep doing it long enough and pretty soon, people will believe the lies.
It is true that the lunatics like Dave don't necessarily have to be racist. Remember all the nutjobs who crawled out of the woodwork during the Clinton era, forming militias and such (which all seemed to mysteriously dissolve for the duration of a presidential era when Constitutional rights really were under attack). Conspiracy theories were rife back then, too, about all the people Clinton had supposedly murdered.
I'm just sayin', it's not entirely fair to attribute malevolence to people who are quite clearly just completely insane.
It's hard to argue with old Duh-Wayne since he obviously believes that HE evolved from some prehistoric pond scum and does not believe in God, Heaven or Hell. We think Duh-Wayne has not evolved much at all!
Duh-Wayne is in for a real shock when he stands before God on Judgment Day. Further, We can not debate any science with him since he thinks that moveon.org is some kind of reliable scientific journal and Al Gore is the intelectual equivilent of Albert Einstein.
Duh-Wayne...It really pains us to say this but for your own good, we must.
Get a f--king brain, you LIBERAL MORON FUDGEPACKER!
DuWayne:
No moron, we can read neat little paragraphs, it's the complete lack of paragraphs that are a problem.
So you can't parse thought processes?
There is no hell moron.
Since the afterlife or lack thereof is not empirically provable what makes him a moron? Or you smart because of your denial?
Yes, as a matter of fact I do. But then I'm not an inbred rutting moron, I pay attention to actual science.
Two words: transitional form.
No, I'll say your nuts, because that's demonstrably provable. I'll say your flat ruttin deluded, because scientists who actually pay attention to things like polar bear populations say that polar bears are in trouble.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1ea8233f-14da-4a44-b839-…
I don't pay a lick of attention to what the mainstream media says about anything. I base my opinions on what the folks who are actually involved in the various scientific endeavors I happen to have an opinion about.
See above.
Thus far, he's given me little reason to believe anything that comes out of his mouth, which is not really any different than 99%+ of politicians out there. I have no doubt however, that he's legally entitled to be president - seeing as he was elected.
The Mel Martinez argument? Wow. That was like a double shame for me, as a Hispanic conservative. Please read the constitution. Election by majority alone doesn't make a president valid. If we could vote in immigrants, I'd rather vote in my mother-- or Arnold Schwartzenegger. After how he took down the Predator, this is a leader we need.
Minimalist:
Is that your handle or...a description of the size of your brain? Given your political thinking, I strongly suspect the latter.
I used to think that Bill Clinton was the biggest piece of shit to ever set foot in DC but now I've had to re-adjust my thinking. OBama wins, hands down! He's fucked up more stuff in two months than Jimmy Carter did in 4 years. At this rate, we'll officially be a third-world, communist- welfare state by the 4th of July!
Now that's "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN". You dumb bastards actually bought into his...um, aw, oh, oo, um, ah BULLSHIT!
Your new messiah is nothing more than a stuttering ACORN organizer from Chicago by way of Indonesia and Kenya, bought and paid for by muslims, communists and terrorists.
If you really believe that this phony was born in the USA, prove it! You can't because HE won't. HE won't because HE can't! You just have to accept it because to question it means you have to question why you were stupid enough to vote for this clown in the first place.
Oh, by the way, did you catch The Obamanator bowing down to the Saudi Arabian King? and you think he's not a muslim? However, I will give you this...it is widely rumored that Obama has done a lot of getting down on his knees in front of other men if you catch my drift?
Finally, you really need to know one more thing. His real name is Barry Soetoro although he has used many aliases in his life...Barry Dunham, Barack Dunham, Barry Obama, Barack Obama. He learned that from his whore mother who used at least twelve aliases in her life that are known and documented.
ZOMG OBAMMER BOWD IN FRUNT OF THE SAUDI KING!!!!!!! DAT MEENZ HES A MUZLIM!!!!!!!
I haven't been this pointlessly outraged since George Bush proved himself to be Vladimir Putin's transvestite Japanese secret lover!
Dave, too, has been addressed by many names during his life - "Fuckwit", "Shit-for-brains" and "Waste of cum and eggs" amongst them. Can we really trust someone who has taken so many names? Since names are the measure of credibility for some unfathomable fucking reason?
Which is more fact-free, Dave @21 or Dave @53 ?
Dave, I'm not going to bother with everything you've stated but rather focus on a single thing. You said
"we have his school records from Indonesia and his teacher there who recall he was Barry Soetoro, a muslim Inodonesian adopted by his stepfather." Can you explain how that has any relevance to anything at all?
dave @49: Try going back and reading my original post again - better yet, here is the end of it:
"I have no idea if Dave's hatred of the president is based on race, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and conclude he's really just stupid. I have no basis for my assertion that Dave's statements are based on racism. So, both Dave and I have made comments that are not supported by evidence. I did it to make a point, and admit it: Dave is simply lying."
Notice that I didn't say you were a racist: I made the comment in the first paragraph, then explained that, like you, I was making a totally unsubstantiated comment, and that it wasn't true, UNLIKE what you were doing (and continue to do): repeat claims that have been shown to be false and assert their validity.
You've reinforced your dishonesty: I think you've also demonstrated your inability to comprehend the written word.
It is my philosophy of internet posting. It requires minimal effort to set whackjobs off on foam-at-the-mouth rants, as you adequately demonstrate.
Please do take this as an opportunity to spew many more paragraphs of hilarious crazy, though. Don't forget the RANDOM CAPS!
Oh my word, it is TRUE that liberals have no facts. You can't argue a point with any facts if your lives depended on it. You guys sure know how to come up with a lot of name calling though, don't you? I'd like to take a try at this. You hated Bush because he was born white. He stands up for Christianity and speaks out for the unborn. You've got to be kidding me. He speaks out for the unborn? What a hater!! Total, complete hater! Oh the audacity to care about babies! Hater, closed minded, stupid! How did I do guys? Did I portray you well or do I need more practice?? Hey Dave, YOU ROCK!!
Oh, geesh guys. I forgot to use paragraphs so you could understand my post better....Sorry. Just do the best you can. Ok? Just read it very ssslllooowwwlly.
Has Dave just had a sex change?
Up Yours -
We think Duh-Wayne has not evolved much at all!
Are you fucking royalty or what?
We can not debate any science with him since he thinks that moveon.org is some kind of reliable scientific journal and Al Gore is the intelectual equivilent of Albert Einstein.
Lie much moron? I'm pretty sure I've never visited moveon.org in my life and really don't care for Gore - I certainly wouldn't call him an intellectual equivalent to Einstein.
Duh-Wayne...It really pains us to say this but for your own good, we must.
Bullshit. I'm pretty damned certain it doesn't pain you in the least, if it did, you would probably spell my name right and talk about praying for me. I get the distinct impression that you're one of those sick fucks who believes in hell and absolutely loves the idea that people you don't like are going.
Get a f--king brain, you LIBERAL MORON FUDGEPACKER!
I'm not a liberal dipshit. Nor am I a moron, given the rate I am working through school. And while there is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality and I don't identify as straight, I have a distinct preference for women.
DeJoe -
So you can't parse thought processes?
Quite well thank you, it's solid blocks of text without break that give me a fucking headache.
Since the afterlife or lack thereof is not empirically provable what makes him a moron?
Not at all, it's the mountain of evidence he provides with his comments that prove him a moron.
Two words: transitional form.
And your point would be?
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1ea8233f-14da-4a44-b839-…
I see, so the mainstream media is fine when it agrees with what you believe. But when it doesn't it's liberal, evile and untrustworthy.
Gotcha.
Please read the constitution. Election by majority alone doesn't make a president valid.
Offer me a lick of fucking evidence that Obama isn't actually constitutionally qualified to hold the office and your argument might make a lick of fucking sense dipshit.
Simple & direct questions for all birfers here: if there's ANY real evidence that Obama is not qualified to serve as POTUS, then why didn't Hillary Clinton and the Republicans pick up on it BEFORE the election? They've seen Obama coming for FOUR YEARS, so why didn't anyone raise the alarm about his eligibility in all that time?
If you really believe that this phony was born in the USA, prove it!
If YOU really believe he (or whoever helped him fake his proof of citizenship -- you've never been clear on that) is guilty of a CRIME (yes, this is a criminal charge you morons are levelling here), then the burden of proof is on you. Innocent until proven guilty, remember?
Your new messiah is nothing more than a stuttering ACORN organizer from Chicago by way of Indonesia and Kenya, bought and paid for by muslims, communists and terrorists.
Yes, we're dealing with raving lunatics here. These guys fail even by conspiracy-buff standards -- they can't even articulate a coherent conspiracy theory, let alone prove any of it.
Oh, geesh guys. I forgot to use paragraphs so you could understand my post better....Sorry. Just do the best you can. Ok? Just read it very ssslllooowwwlly.
In your case, a dose of lithium would be a better aid to understanding than paragraphs.
If you really believe that this phony was born in the USA, prove it! You can't because HE won't. HE won't because HE can't! You just have to accept it because to question it means you have to question why you were stupid enough to vote for this clown in the first place.
The certificate that was examined by FactCheck.org is good enough for me. After all, it does read, âThis copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.â
And there's the fact that the courts have consistently shot down the birthers' cases.
Oh, by the way, did you catch The Obamanator bowing down to the Saudi Arabian King? and you think he's not a muslim?
Wasn't the right-wing going into hysterics over Jeremiah Wright and claiming that Obama had been going to this (Christian) church for two decades? Isn't that a rather odd way of pursuing one's Muslim faith?
But let's not bother you with consistency.
However, I will give you this...it is widely rumored that Obama has done a lot of getting down on his knees in front of other men if you catch my drift?
Yes, and even if it is true, I don't care. Believe me, not all of us are not into your leering homophobia, which only indicates a fundamental insecurity about your sexual identity. Making innuendos that Obama is gay doesn't actually damage him in my estimation.
Finally, you really need to know one more thing. His real name is Barry Soetoro
So he was named after a stepfather who wasn't in his life until after his parents' divorce in 1964? That's rather bizarre, wouldn't you say? Perhaps strong evidence for precognition.
although he has used many aliases in his life...Barry Dunham, Barack Dunham, Barry Obama, Barack Obama.
The last name being the name of his birth father, a far more plausible candidate for him to be named after than a stepfather who didn't meet Ann Dunham until years after his birth.
He learned that from his whore mother who used at least twelve aliases in her life that are known and documented.
Ah, of course! Any woman who weds not just one non-white but two is obviously a âwhoreâ.
But don't worry. You don't sound racist (or misogynistic) in the slightest.
P.S.,
Dave, I didn't vote for Barack Obama in the presidential election, but I don't suppose that will hinder your lunatic assumption that everyone who disagrees with your birther nonsense is obviously an Obama supporter.
"I also forgot to mention that Obama attends the Bilderberg meetings and the Trilateral Commision and Council on Foreign Relations meetings."
Okay, so what, many influencial politicians attend those meetings. I wish I could get an invite to those meeetings.
I am a little surprised that Obama was included, I would not have thought that crowd would welcome Obama but if you are the POTUS you should be there.
Re: "He could put this to rest by just producing the documents."
If you are referring to the original birth certificate, he cannot. Hawaii no longer releases copies of the original birth certificate. It only releases summaries of the original, which are known as Certifications of Real Birth (COLB). However, the COLB is a legal document that is accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by such federal departments as the State Department and the US military.
Other states also issue summaries instead of copies of the original birth certificate, and that is increasingly the trend.
If you are referring to his college records, his college records are--and should be--just as private as my college records or your college records. If I were asked nicely for my college records, I might give them out. But if someone sued me claiming to have the right to see my college records, I would fight--because they do not have the right.
However, if you really think that there is something in Obama's original birth certificate or college records that would disqualify him, here's what to do. Hawaii is under a Republican governor, so is California. Get them to pass special laws saying that there is ONE exception to the privacy of birth records or the privacy of college records--the President of the United States.
Such laws would not be opposed by Obama. He could hardly do so without losing face, and no reasonable Democrat would oppose such laws.
So why doesn't Obama release the documents now? (1) in the case of the birth certificate unless he has the original he can only issue what the state of Hawaii has sent him, the Certification. (2) In the case of the college records, under the law he has the right to keep them private, and there is nothing wrong with defending that right.
Dave,
Can you provide any evidence Obama has spent $800K, $1mil or whatever is claimed?
Any *actual* evidence at all?
A bill? Canceled checks? Statements by Obama or his lawyer(s)?
One lawyer (Bauer) said he's working Pro-bono.
If you don't believe that, where is YOUR evidence?
Will your "evidence" come in the form of a question or argument or a factual object?
May I also point out that the Indonesian school record clearly lists Hawaii as his place of birth?
To The All Knowing Enigma:
I have quite a few facts. I'll put those up against your "facts" any day. Let's see, Obama told you he was born in Hawaii so that's your fact. As I recall, his grandmother swears she was at the hospital in Kenya when he was born. Same for some cousinsand Kenyan officials. Oh..we have his school records from Indonesia and his teacher there who recall he was Barry Soetoro, a muslim Inodonesian adopted by his stepfather. Well now, we have the testimony of college friends at Occidental who remember him as Barry Soetoro an Indonesian student on grant. Now, let's see, he traveled to Pakistan in 1980 on an Indonesian passport. Hey, how about Bill Ayers the terrorist who took Obama to Chicago and gave him a job. How about his boyhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the communist party. Well now, his black muslim friend got his college tuition paid to Harvard by a Saudi Sheik. Then, of course, we have Jeremiah Wright and Obama's Palistinian buddies plus Tony Rezko who bought Obama's house in Chicago. Let's not forget Louis Farrakan (a good buddy). I can go on and on. You see, all of Obama's friends, associates, mentors in life and backers were all communists, muslims, black radicals and criminals but hey, that never rubbed off on Obama or did it? Now, I won't even get into the gay allegations out there. Next, Obama spends a million dollars to hide all of his records.Why? Ponder that! We have over 50 lawsuits filed to make Obama prove his eligibility. He won't reply.Oh, I bet he's just shy and likes his privacy. We have experts who can prove that his so-called COLB which is not proof of anything is in fact a forgery as well as a forged Selective Service registration pointed out by a retired official of the Selective Service but what does he know? We have found over 100 derivations of Barack Obama listed at different addresses with different social security numbers, one of which was listed at his college address but actually belonged to someone 108 years old! There's more but I guess these aren't enough to arouse your curiosity. You can rely on a phony document posted by factcheck.org and Obama's word. Finally, I say, look at what this guy is doing to our country or don't you read about all of the socialist policies that he and the Democrats are sneaking through Congress at the speed of light? I know, being a community organizer for ACORN is equivilent to being Warren Buffet, George Washington and Jesus Christ all rolled into one. He has no business experience. He has no legislative accomplishments whatsoever. He can't even speak without a teleprompter. He is the world's biggest abortion advocate. He is a huge gay advocate. He is anti-Chrstian in every respect while pretending to be one. He is making nice with every arab terrorist on the planet and wants to screw Israel. He wants to tax everything that moves, take away everyone's guns, set up a his own little SS corp in the US, pay back every liberal whacko organization known to man while wasting trillions of our dollars that will bankrupt America. He wants to take over the banks and a lot of industry. Sure... we'll buy into that from a guy who can't even show who he is, what his real name is or where he was even born. You say we are nuts. I say you are totally screwed up in the head. I also forgot to mention that Obama attends the Bilderberg meetings and the Trilateral Commision and Council on Foreign Relations meetings. You know..the whole New World Order, One World Government crowd. Go back to sleep and dream about your little Obama communist paradise. Dream about all of the welfare you will get, the "free" government healthcare but don't get old because it will only be available to young workers comrade. When you get old and sick, you get to die. Yes, America will start to look like North Korea pretty soon. You must be having an orgasm just thinking about it. Please tell me about your "facts". I'll bet old Barack or Barry or whatever his name is probably sent you a text message telling you don't worry...he has some change for you to believe in. Of course, he won't tell you what that means but no need to overtax your little brain, he'll take care of your thinking for you. He'll tell you what kind of car to drive (more likely a bicycle). He'll fix global warming. In fact, the earth has been cooling for seven years now. The messiah retroactively has that fixed already. He'll make you energy independant. It's simple, just don't use any. He'll let another 20 million illegal aliens flood across the border to take any jobs left so you won't really need to use any energy. You can just lounge around all day long listening to Barabara Streisand music and collect your welfare check courtesy of me and those like me who actually produce something and pay taxes. Of course, good old Barry will save us a lot on our defense budget. He'll just cut it down to nothing because he can persuade our enemies to just leave us alone through the power of his glorious persona. Like the shrink recently wrote in his book..."liberalism is a mental disorder". I'll bet you never served in the military of this nation, are an athiest and support gay marriage. You're probably a vegetarian tree hugger and spent half of your life studying at some liberal college where you got in touch with your feelings. I doubt you run your own business or meet a payroll, probably a government worker or a big union member. Yes Enigma, YOU are what is wrong with America and why we are in the mess we are in. Oh..I bet you thnk George Bush caused the housing crisis instead of Clinton and Barney Frank. You probably don't even know that Republicans passed all of the civil rights legislation and Democrats were the racists. Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican and hated the Democratic party. Did you know that? I guess real knowledge is not important to your kind, it's all about "feelings". If you want to argue with me...get some facts to argue with. Don't say I don't know what I am talking about. I don't depend on MSNBC to tell me what to think, I do my own thinking and I have two eyes that see what is going on. Go back to sleep little Obamatard, you have no ammunition to argue with.
Posted by: Dave | April 3, 2009 3:50 AM
.......................too much dave. honestly. i would like to understand where ur coming from but u obviously think its all really honky and happy to 'fix' America...... i HOPE for the love of god that he IS attending those meetings... maybe he might have such a heart to destroy the banking system and result to using our own country's currency... ridding us of the fed... how about that? do u know almost every war and sick deed u can think of was funded by them? who are sick enough t fund both opposing parties to profit? therefore bringing BOTH to ruins before coming in claiming debt and possesions.. if we refuse abide by them the banking will continue worldwide leaving us defenseless and totally crapped because no one will sell us weapons... or we dont have enough soldiers.... see, this 'obama youth camp' sounds odd but what do u think will save us in such a scenario? a bunch of fat people who listen to soulja boy and spend their free time supermaning that h#o? really? the truth is that it'd be great to give people guns and money to do as they please, but the fools cant too much figure out how shady everything has been the past eight years because theyre too busy watching 'the hills'. so my suggestion is, to stop trying to fight getting this guy out of office just yet without aiming for a good cause... because who are our othr options? the same bankers represented by half drugged and half alive republicans or biden... lord knows we need neither! Obama spread a very good message and no one has ever seen the level of political might this man has... do not crap on it and throw it to the trash because believe it or not, AMERICA is the one with that president... WE have the power and more power than ANY other country in the world! this is now an opportunity for everyone to voice out what it is they want in times like this. the problem is that not everyone is educated... because see, running us into bankruptcy might not be such a bad thing..... if u know anything about the monetary system you'd see its basically a fraud.. and a lot of it is ridiculously funny. energy indepence a bad thing? r u an idiot? r u upset at obama personally or what he's doing? u sound VERY ignorant right about now... it'd be in ur best interest to help us become energy independent.. might it be HORRIBLE to imagine every house w a generator? not using the oil from a not so nice dictating of a country like say russia? whos dominating oil demands in china and eu... or perhaps the arabs with their fine... uh.. political and fair policies... yeah... listen, ud be a FOOL to not prefer OUR dictator over any one else's... because more than likely, the other ones might not care about u as much......
Dear President Obama:
The world was transfixed on that remarkable day in January when, to poetry, song, and dance, you gazed upon Abraham Lincolnâs likeness at the Lincoln Memorial and searched for wisdom to navigate these difficult times. Indeed, you have so many things in common with that venerable President that one might imagine you were his reincarnation in different dress. You are both thin and wiry, brilliant speakers, appearing on the national stage at pivotal times. Fertile imaginations could envision you coming back dressed in that African heritage you freed, to help heal the great scar of slavery and prove once and for all the proposition that all men are created equal and can achieve great things if given a fighting chance.
As Wordsworth said, however, our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting; and if that is true, you may have forgotten a more subtle form of slavery from which Lincoln tried less successfully to free his countrymen. You may have forgotten it because it has been omitted from our popular history books, leaving Americans ill-equipped to interpret the lessons of our own past. This letter is therefore meant to remind you.
President Obama, we are now met on another battlefield of that same economic war that visited Lincoln and the Founding Fathers before him. For you to finish the work Lincoln started would be a poetic triumph no American could miss. The fate of our economy and the nation itself may depend on how well you understand Lincolnâs monetary breakthrough, the most far-reaching âeconomic stimulus planâ ever implemented by a U.S. President. You can solve our economic crisis quickly and permanently, by implementing the same economic solution that allowed Lincoln to win the Civil War and thus save the Union from foreign economic masters.
Lincolnâs Monetary Breakthrough
The bankers had Lincolnâs government over a barrel, just as Wall Street has Congress in its vice-like grip today. The North needed money to fund a war, and the bankers were willing to lend it only under circumstances that amounted to extortion, involving staggering interest rates of 24 to 36 percent. Lincoln saw that this would bankrupt the North and asked a trusted colleague to research the matter and find a solution. In what may be the best piece of advice ever given to a sitting President, Colonel Dick Taylor of Illinois reported back that the Union had the power under the Constitution to solve its financing problem by printing its money as a sovereign government. Taylor said:
âJust get Congress to pass a bill authorizing the printing of full legal tender treasury notes . . . and pay your soldiers with them and go ahead and win your war with them also. If you make them full legal tender . . . they will have the full sanction of the government and be just as good as any money; as Congress is given that express right by the Constitution.â
The Greenbacks actually were just as good as the bankersâ banknotes. Both were created on a printing press, but the banknotes had the veneer of legitimacy because they were âbackedâ by gold. The catch was that this backing was based on âfractional reserves,â meaning the bankers held only a small fraction of the gold necessary to support all the loans represented by their banknotes. The âfractional reserveâ ruse is still used today to create the impression that bankers are lending something other than mere debt created with accounting entries on their books.1
Lincoln took Col. Taylorâs advice and funded the war by printing paper notes backed by the credit of the government. These legal-tender U.S. Notes or âGreenbacksâ represented receipts for labor and goods delivered to the United States. They were paid to soldiers and suppliers and were tradeable for goods and services of a value equivalent to their service to the community. The Greenbacks aided the Union not only in winning the war but in funding a period of unprecedented economic expansion. Lincolnâs government created the greatest industrial giant the world had yet seen. The steel industry was launched, a continental railroad system was created, a new era of farm machinery and cheap tools was promoted, free higher education was established, government support was provided to all branches of science, the Bureau of Mines was organized, and labor productivity was increased by 50 to 75 percent. The Greenback was not the only currency used to fund these achievements; but they could not have been accomplished without it, and they could not have been accomplished on money borrowed at the usurious rates the bankers were attempting to extort from the North.
Lincoln succeeded in restoring the governmentâs power to issue the national currency, but his revolutionary monetary policy was opposed by powerful forces. The threat to established interests was captured in an editorial of unknown authorship, said to have been published in The London Times in 1865:
âIf that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic during the late war in that country, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debt. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.â
Lincoln was assassinated in 1865. According to historian W. Cleon Skousen:
âRight after the Civil War there was considerable talk about reviving Lincolnâs brief experiment with the Constitutional monetary system. Had not the European money-trust intervened, it would have no doubt become an established institution.â
The institution that became established instead was the Federal Reserve, a privately-owned central bank given the power in 1913 to print Federal Reserve Notes (or dollar bills) and lend them to the government. The government was submerged in a debt that has grown exponentially since, until it is now an unrepayable $11 trillion. For nearly a century, Lincolnâs statue at the Lincoln Memorial has gazed out pensively across the reflecting pool toward the Federal Reserve building, as if pondering what the bankers had wrought since his death and how to remedy it.
Building on a Successful Tradition
Lincoln did not invent government-issued paper money. Rather, he restored a brilliant innovation of the American colonists. According to Benjamin Franklin, it was the colonistsâ home-grown paper âscripâ that was responsible for the remarkable abundance in the colonies at a time when England was suffering from the ravages of the Industrial Revolution. Like with Lincolnâs Greenbacks, this prosperity posed a threat to the control of the British Crown and the emerging network of private British banks, prompting the King to ban the colonistsâ paper money and require the payment of taxes in gold. According to Franklin and several other historians of the period, it was these onerous demands by the Crown, and the corresponding collapse of the colonistsâ paper money supply, that actually sparked the Revolutionary War.2
The colonists won the war but ultimately lost the money power to a private banking cartel, one that issued another form of paper money called âbanknotes.â Today the bankersâ debt-based money has come to dominate most of the economies of the world; but there are a number of historical examples of the successful funding of economic development in other countries simply with government-issued credit. In Australia and New Zealand in the 1930s, the Depression conditions suffered elsewhere were avoided by drawing on a national credit card issued by publicly-owned central banks. The governments of the island states of Guernsey and Jersey created thriving economies that carried no federal debt, just by issuing their own debt-free public currencies. China has also funded impressive internal development through a system of state-owned banks.
Here in the United States, the state of North Dakota has a wholly state-owned bank that creates credit on its books just as private banks do. This credit is used to serve the needs of the community, and the interest on loans is returned to the government. Not coincidentally, North Dakota has a $1.2 billion budget surplus at a time when 46 of 50 states are insolvent, an impressive achievement for a state of isolated farmers battling challenging weather.3 The North Dakota prototype could be copied not only in every U.S. state but at the federal level.
The Perennial Inflation Question
The objection invariably raised to government-issued currency or credit is that it would create dangerous hyperinflation. However, in none of these models has that proven to be true. Price inflation results either when the supply of money goes up but the supply of goods doesnât, or when speculators devalue currencies by massive short selling, as in those cases of Latin American hyperinflation when printing-press money was used to pay off foreign debt. When new money is used to produce new goods and services, price inflation does not result because supply and demand rise together. Prices did increase during the American Civil War, but this was attributed to the scarcity of goods common in wartime rather than to the Greenback itself. War produces weapons rather than consumer goods.
Today, with trillions of dollars being committed for bailouts and stimulus plans, another objection to Lincolnâs solution is likely to be, âThe U.S. government is already printing its own money â and lots of it.â This, however, is a misconception. What the government prints are bonds â its I.O.U.s or debt. If the government did print dollars, instead of borrowing them from a privately-owned central bank that prints them, Uncle Sam would not have an eleven trillion dollar millstone hanging around his neck. As Thomas Edison astutely observed:
âIf our nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good, makes the bill good, also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets money brokers collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%, whereas the currency pays nobody but those who contribute directly in some useful way.
It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30 million in bonds and not $30 million in currency. Both are promises to pay, but one promise fattens the usurers and the other helps the people.â
A Wake-up Call
Henry Ford observed at about the same time:
âIt is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.â
Today we the people are starting to understand our banking and monetary system, and we are shocked, dismayed, and furious at what we are discovering. The wizard behind the curtain turns out to be a small group of men pulling levers and dials, creating an illusory money scheme that, behind all the talk and bravado, is mere smoke and mirrors. These levers are controlled by a privately-owned, unaccountable central bank called the Federal Reserve, which has recently dispensed billions if not trillions in funds to its banker cronies, without revealing where these monies are going even under Congressional inquiry or in response to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. As Chris Powell pointed out recently in conjunction with an FOIA request brought by Bloomberg News, which the Fed declined to comply with:
âAny government that can disburse $2 trillion secretly, without any accountability, is not a democratic government. It is government of, by, and, for the bankers.â4
There was a time when private central bankers were the heavyweights in control, able to run their ultra-secret agenda with impunity; but that era is coming to an end. The bankers are scrambling, trying to patch up their crumbling creations with schemes, bailouts and sleight of hand. That effort, however, must ultimately prove futile. As investment adviser Rolfe Winkler said in a recent article:
âThe great Ponzi scheme that is the Western Worldâs economy has grown so big thereâs simply no âfixingâ it. Flushing more debt through the system would be like giving Madoff a few billion to tide him over. Or like adding another floor to the Tower of Babel. To what end? The collapse is already here. The question is: How much do we want it to hurt? Using the publicâs purse to finance âconfidenceâ in a system that is already kaput may delay the Day of Reckoning, sure, but at the cost of multiplying our losses. Perhaps fantastically.â5
The bankers are on the run, feverishly trying to use the collapse of the current system to steer us toward an âAmeroâ-style North American currency, or a one-world private banking system and privately-issued global currency that they and only they control. We the people will not accept those solutions, however, no matter how bad things get. We demand real solutions that empower us, not further enslave us.
Abraham Lincoln had such a solution. President Obama, you can finally bring his monetary solution to fruition. Manifest the vision of Lincoln, Jefferson, Madison and Franklin, and we the people will make sure you are placed in the pantheon of our greatest leaders and are revered for all time. Americaâs greatest days can still be ahead of us; but for this to happen, we need to expose and root out the deceptive banking scheme that would enslave us to a future of debt and increasing homelessness in this great country our forefathers founded. The time has come for democracy to rise superior to a private banking cartel and take back the power to create money once again. Such a transformation would represent the most epochal and empowering shift that humanity has ever seen. As you recently said:
âThis country has never responded to a crisis by sitting on the sidelines and hoping for the best. Throughout our history we have met every great challenge with bold action and big ideas.â
Your words are a timely reminder of our long legacy of action and bold solutions in the face of adversity. Can we do this? Yes we can.
Uh, weenie, you do realize Obama doesn't read this site, right? Get your own blog, instead of clogging up the comments on other people's.