Kleck's critique of the public health literature

It is disingenous for Kleck to take a quotation of Kellerman's out of
context to make it appear that Kellermann was asserting that only 2%
of of homicides were lawful defensive homicides.

Dan Day wrote:

Well, your own summary isn't entirely accurate either. Here's the
passage in question:

Less than 2 percent of homicides nationally are considered legally
justifiable. [11,13] Although justifiable homicides do not
include homicides committed in self-defense, the combined total
in our study was still less than one fourth the number of criminal
homicides involving a gun kept in the home.

I've reread that a number of times and still can't figure out
exactly what Kellermann is trying to say. The best I can make out
is that Kellermann is claiming that self-defense homicides are not
legally justifiable (?)

You missed the bit where he defined the meaning of those terms:
"Self-protection homicides were considered "justifiable" if they
involved the killing of a felon during the commision of a crime; they
were considered "self-defense" if that was the determination of the
investigating police department anf the King County prosecutor's
office.[11]" Reference 11 is the FBI definition of "justifiable
homicide".

Given how Kellermann contrasts "legally justifiable" homicides with
"self-defense" homicides, and the passage as written, the point that
Kellermann underplayed the number of "lawful defensive" homicides
seems a valid one, since it appears he tried to imply that the
defensive homicides which fall outside the 2% "legally justifiable"
category weren't in fact lawful.

No, he was pointing out that were lawful homicides that fall outside the
2% legally justifiable.

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Pim Vanmeurs wrote: I think you'll find the Netherlands does a pretty good homicide rate. Indeed 1.2/100,000 total and 0.3/100,000 firearms related compared to US 7.6/100,000 total and 4.5/100,000 firearms related
The study found that having a gun in the home was not associated with any increased risk of non-gun homicide, only with gun homicide. Dan Day writes: Gun homicide in the home of the victim, Tim, which is what the study examined.
Dean Payne said: Centerwall made his comparisons with and without the major (pop. > 1M) metropolitan areas. With these areas, I get the same numbers you list. Without, I get 3.1 for Canadian provinces, and 3.7 for the US states.
Dan Day wrote: I've reread that a number of times and still can't figure out exactly what Kellermann is trying to say. The best I can make out is that Kellermann is claiming that self-defense homicides are not legally justifiable (?)