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How about something new to think about ?
What do you think about skepticism?
How about the art of debate?
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I would suggest:
There are two kinds of skeptics,
complete skeptic (that includes self-skepticism) and
one-directional skeptic (aka contrarian types)
There are two kinds of debate,
one where
learning is the goal,
the other
debate for debate {and fortune'$} sake.
In the first
you listen to and weigh your opponent's information and arguments, with the goal being to use opposing arguments to better understand one's own reasoning and justifications.
To learn from evidence and arguments... allowing the best to inspire reevaluating our own understanding. That's how we learn, and evolve, how we get better and move forward as we travel through our short lives. Hey and sometimes it hurts and our egos get bruised but that's part of the game of life and growing... know what I mean?
The second is
all about personal point scoring
relying on tricks rather than a serious dialogue
it has no interest in learning or truth,
only in "winning".