What Did You Do to Celebrate Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week?

I dressed my kid up in a costume and went door to door collecting candy in an ancient pagan ritual designed to piss off the Christofascists, er, Islamofascists.
I forget, which ones are which. I mean, I have Muslims in my neighborhood, but none of them have tried to change my school science curriculum.

Don't let us down again. We expect full coverage of Christian-Fascism Awareness Week

I contemplated the importance of prominent Muslim democrats and reformers in the struggle against Islamist totalitarianism, people like Irshad Manji, Shadi Hamid, Benazir Bhutto, Ghazal Omid, Salim Mansur, Naser Khader, Asra Nomani, Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi, M. Zuhdi Jasser ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naser_Khader

Dangit, I knew I forgot something. Dang Final Fantasy Tactics... Sorry, FFT, I can't stay angry at you.

ChrisH

Your glib comments seem a bit grotesque juxtaposed with the image of what appears to be an honor killing. You deride "deniers" of your apocalyptic anti-CO2 religion while trivializing a phenomenon that has already killed tens of thousands of innocent people.

If you think the Bush administration is a drag on scientific inquiry, you better hope you never live in a country that imposes Islamic law. Take a look at a globe. Islamic populations cover large areas of the world. If Islamic fundamentalism were to take root and be vested with the power of government you might not find the topic quite so amusing.

Of course maybe you'd be happier in a world where the clock was turned back to the middle ages. I'll bet Osama Bin Laden has a tiny carbon footprint.

anti-CO2 religion

psst....science is not a religion.

I agree with you; religion should not be in charge of government. We kind of already have a constitution that says that, so I think we'll be okay.

"If Islamic fundamentalism were to take root and be vested with the power of government"

this will not happen in the USA.

"Of course maybe you'd be happier in a world where the clock was turned back to the middle ages."

I don't think we would be happier, but that is certainly the mentality of the religious right in this country and their anti-science views.

That's a short but traumatic week (five days?).

As it concluded, I watched Norman Podhoretz and Fareed Zakaria get into fistacuffs. Norman resurrected Hitler into the discussion at least three times, and concluded by shrieking like a banshee.

I celebrated by pointing out repeatedly and in various venues, especially the Notes & Comments section at the excellent Butterflies & Wheels website, that David Horowitz and the collection of mostly extremist right wing ideologues and war-mongers he gathered to speak for "Islamofascism Awareness Week" back an agenda that has more in common with fascist political ideals and methods than any real opposition to them.

For cryin' out loud, Horowitz recruited Ann "women shouldn't have the vote" Coulter to talk about the oppression of women in Islamic countries. He also recruited Rick Santorum to speak out against religious extremists who want to use the power of the state to force their religion and its rules on everyone else. How the hell do you top that level of blatant double-talking hypocrisy?

Well, I suppose if you want to drum up support for a war on Iran given the American public's current disenchantment with the Bush administration's Iraq debacle, you have to get awfully creative....

@Lance, that's the image from the awareness week website. I didn't make it.

Wait, what scary religion that tries to teach only it's own views in schools covers most of the world?

http://www.wadsworth.com/religion_d/special_features/popups/maps/matthe…

Hmm.

If you think the Bush administration is a drag on scientific inquiry, you better hope you never live in a country that imposes Islamic law.

Well, I live in a country that is not ruled by the Bush Administration (and whose government, by and large, respects evidnece from science), yet is not under Islamic Law. There are quite a few of them.

Lance, I won't try to explain how such a paradoxical thing can be, but I suggest you consider travelling a little outside your own country. Try Canada to start with.

My mom told me about this special week last weekend and I thought it was a joke.

@Lance--I'm sorry, I don't want to make fun of the problem of things like honor killings and the other gross practices that one sees in some places where Islam is hegemonic. I'm making fun of the idea that we need a week to heighten awareness of it. If we're going to have it, let's have one to raise awareness of the disgusting practices of extreme Christianity and Judaism.

ChrisH,

As a scientist and an atheist I'm all for exposing the excesses of religious fanatics of all stripes. Here in Indiana the state legislature, under the direction of both party leaders, opened each session with a sectarian prayer. One especially zealous Christian pastor was asked by the house speaker to "Bless us with a song" he then treated the assembly to "A little walk with Jesus". Many in attendance walked out in protest.

The Indiana Civil Liberties Union brought suit to halt the sectarian (mostly Christian) prayers and was granted relief by a federal judge. That decision was overturned this week by the 7th circuit court of appeals in a 2-1 decision. I found it to be a disturbing development.

So I empathize with your desire to highlight the fact that Islamicists are not alone in their attempts to impose their irrational beliefs on the rest of us. The big difference however is that you don't have Christian fanatics flying planes into buildings shouting "Jesus be praised!"

While there are fundamentalist Christians, like George W. Bush, that claim that their faith and values are the basis for our laws they are, at least for the moment, content to work within those laws to advance their goals. When they cross the line and start strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up court houses instead of filing legal challenges they will be on equal footing with the Islamic extremists.

The Islamic extremists are clearly a greater danger to liberal democracy and the hope of a peaceful and cooperative world community.

I would urge you to not make the mistake of trivializing the threat we face from Islamic extremism because you feel that it is being highlighted by other people that have irrational belief systems. The enemy of your enemy is certainly not your friend in this case.

Boris,

I have seen you express your "faith" in catastrophic global warming in numerous blog posts. Scientology claims to be based on science as well. You think a trace gas, CO2, produced from burning fossil fuels are causing all are ills while they think "engrams" left behind from the souls of alien beings are humanities main theat. Both theories have about the same level of falsifiable evidence to support them.

The U.S. constitution, which you mention, gives you the right to "believe" anything you wish. If however you attempt to pass legislation to stop me from committing carbon "sins" I will oppose you in all ways legal.

I believe the photo is from Afghanistan. The Taliban brought her (the person about to be shot is female) onto the soccer field in the middle of a game. I believe there is also video. Very disturbing.

And excerpt of the story:
"One image, more than any other, reinforced the American resolve that the Taliban had to go. It was a video segment filmed clandestinely in Kabul's football stadium, which the Taliban had turned into a site of public executions.

The stadium is full to capacity, and crowds of male spectators roam the field. Taliban executioners bring out a condemned woman in a pickup truck to the center of the field. She is in a full blue chadari (or burqa), enveloped in anonymity. She is made to kneel. A man in Taliban dress, brandishing an automatic weapon, approaches her from behind. He places the tip of the barrel to the back of her head and fires a shot right through it (we see a bit of dirt scatter on the ground in front of her). She collapses, dead, into a blue heap. A pickup truck pulls up to collect her body. Elsewhere on the field, condemned men hang from goalposts."

No, we sure don't see *Christians* acting like terrorists...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
http://jdallen.org/news/christian-terrorist-attempts-car-bombing-in-iow…

Eric Rudolph
Timothy McVeigh
Doctors slain
Nightclubs bombed
Homosexual men beaten and left to die

Nope, no Christian terrorism here!
Oh, wait... those aren't *TRUE* Scotsmen! Er... Christians. I meant Christians. <grin>

Lance: While there are fundamentalist Christians, like George W. Bush, that claim that their faith and values are the basis for our laws they are, at least for the moment, content to work within those laws to advance their goals.

I suspect that, if you lived in Iraq, you would have a different perspective on Bush's behaviour.

According to Lance, the NAS and Royal Society are equal to Scientologists. Way to go!

Chris H: "I'm making fun of the idea that we need a week to heighten awareness of it."

I believe that many Americans and Westerners would benefit from being better informed about militant Islam. They protest genocide in Darfur but fail to connect it to the larger context of Islamic jihadism, including Sudan's hosting of al-Qaeda and Hezbollah, and Iran's promise to nuclearize that country. They watch the movie 'Syriana' starring George Clooney based on Robert Baer's memoirs but have never heard of Imad Mugniyah, the terrorist Baer calls the key figure - "the grail" - of international terrorism and an operational link between Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imad_Mugniyah

People of goodwill have had their consciences stirred by one seemingly unrelated cause after another over the years - oppression of Afghan women, slavery in southern Sudan, genocide in Darfur, diamond wars in Africa, honor killings in immigrant communities in Europe, execution of gays in Iran, perhaps next the plight of Buddhists in Thailand - while failing to contextualize these in light of the global portrait of militant Islam.

(Interestingly, while progressives protest these specific atrocities, the only "big picture" that many of them are willing to accept is that most of the world's woes are caused by American corporate imperialism.)

Depending on their political orientation, many view militant Islam as a blameless Frankenstein created by blowback for US foreign policy blunders, Third World resistance to Empire, simply a Middle East version the Christian Coalition, a generic mass of mindless evil, or the whole of the Muslim world. These are all gravely inadequate formulations. Too often, Muslim democrats, feminists, and reformers (quite unlike phony moderates like Tariq Ramadan) - some of whom are the bravest people on earth - are invisible.

You can draw connections wherever you prefer in the political world. It doesn't make them meaningful.

For example: We hear often how Iran must be involved in various activities in Iraq because Iranian weapons are being used by insurgents. Ergo, Iran is involved in insurgent activities in Iraq. But wait, the plot thickens! American weapons are also in the hands of insurgents. Therefore, America is involved in insurgent activities!

But wait, the plot thickens! American weapons are also in the hands of insurgents. Therefore, America is involved in insurgent activities!

In our case they're throwdowns.

Factician, I am not arguing that militant Islam is a monolithic conspiracy with some kind of pyramidal organization. It is a heterogeneous family of movements with broadly overlapping worldviews and goals, featuring both factional conflicts and opportunistic cooperation.

Hmmm.... perhaps Christiano-Fascism has been more successful. After all, we've killed at least tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of them (in Iraq alone). And they haven't managed to kill more than a few thousand of us.

Wait, why are we scared again?

Lance.. I think you are missing something. Lets say you lived millions of years and had a house "right on the edge of" where two of the continents drifted apart. That it took 10,000 years to dump your house into the ocean wouldn't make the destruction of your house any less "catastrophic". Scientists sadly have to emphasize the **worst** possible situation to get the attention of some idiots that hear something like, "Well, I suppose its possible that it would take 10,000 years, instead of 50...", and equate that with, "Ah, well, then we don't really **have** a problem do we?" The point isn't how long it fracking takes, its if the problem becomes one that you can't easily reverse. If you hit a point where it is only going to take 50-100 years to melt the damn ice caps, than may very well mean that "natural" processes won't *fix* the problem for 10,000 years, and even human intervention to try to shift things the other direction might take 100 years. This is irrelevant though if, by doing something about it now, only **half** of the ice cap melts in 50 years.

In other words, just because it takes a lot of fracking time doesn't mean we can't be causing or contributing to it, or that we can't at least "minimize" the damage, by, for example, moving your fictitious house a few miles, instead of just pretending the continents are not drifting apart. Only a complete idiot ignores all evidence that a **lot** of CO2 and other gases can and are heating things up, then conclude that because it takes too damn long for it to happen, its pointless to try to minimize the result, or prevent it from actually accelerating, or ending up worse, than it will already.

And at this point, there isn't one scrap of evidence to suggest that its going to "cool" instead, or that we are not having "some" effect on it. Even one degree less of an increase might mean the difference at this point between a world we can feed people in, or one where even more starve, and you can buy beach front property in the suburbs of New York. I would think it would be worth at least **trying** to adjust the outcome a little, even if you think the "catastrophic" effects are exaggerated.

Factician: "And they haven't managed to kill more than a few thousand of us."

That depends who "us" is.

If "us" includes Muslim victims of militant Islamism, in recent years it is a cumulative toll of hundreds of thousands dead in Iran, Lebanon, Sudan, Afghanistan, Algeria, Somalia - political executions by Islamist states and terrorism by Islamist organizations. It also includes tens of thousands in Iraq - any source will reveal that the direct perpetrators of most of those killings were Sunni or Shiite Islamists (even if you assign ultimate responsibility for all of these deaths to the United States). If "us" also includes non-Muslims in the nonwestern world, it is countless more dead in Indonesia, Nigeria, Philippines and many other countries.

Colugo,

But that goes both ways, doesn't it? If we include in "us" (we're talking religions, now, right?) we'll have to count the million or so Christians who killed each other in Zaire/Congo over the last ten years. Right? Because we're counting which religion kills the most people, right?

The point isn't that the violence perpetuated by Muslims isn't abhorrent. The point is that violence, perpetuated by whoever against whomever is abhorrent. And every group has pretty bloody hands at this point.

Factician: "we're talking religions, now, right?"

No, we're not. Or at least we shouldn't be. The larger issue is not Islam (nor faith itself), but tyranny, which comes in many forms - fascism, Islamism, militant pan-Arabism (Nasserism, Baathism), Communism (Maoism, Derg, Juche), neo- and post-communist dictatorship (Milosevic's Serbia, Burmese junta). The specific issue is a particular manifestation of tyranny, often called militant Islam. (There is no single perfect label. "Islamofascism" is unfortunate because it entangles the discussion into a debate on the meanings of fascism and "fascism creep" - Christian fascism, Red fascism, friendly fascism ad nauseam.)

The important thing is not the confessional affiliations of those committing any atrocity anywhere in the world. Note that I did not include Islam Karimov of Uzbekistan nor Nasserist organizations in general in my list of Islamist atrocities (although the latter have ties to Islamists - but the same is true of some Christian African diamond warlords). The point is that there is a motivating ideology - which is apocalyptic, Utopian, and elminationist - of a complex set of networks of international terrorists, their funders, and their state sponsors. Young European men are radicalized in Deobandi mosques funded by overseas Islamists, Somali Islamists fight alongside Hezbollah in Lebanon, al-Qaeda threatens jihad if the international community intervenes in the Darfur genocide.

Wait, you say we're only talking about tyranny. So let's talk about tyranny. Let's talk about Zaire, where the government and rebel groups operating there over the last ten years have killed in the neighborhood of 1-2 million people. Mostly Christian (on both sides). But we won't mention religions, because we're just focusing on tyranny. Why don't we bring up Nigeria, where the mostly Christian government kills demonstrators (Christians and Muslims) with impunity because the government has the support of America and European governments. But of course, we're not worried that they're Christian, because we're focusing on tyranny in all its forms. Or we could focus on the (Atheist) Chinese government killing Uighur Muslims in the northwestern China. Oh wait, we're not concerned about the form of the tyranny, just that there is tyranny.

This is what is ridiculous about "Islamofascism week". It calls attention to the tyranny of several groups, but only the ones that are of a particular brand of religion that we don't like. If you want to be honest that we are worried about tyranny, let's have a tyranny week. Call attention to all of the government-sponsored (and rebel-sponsored) deaths in the world. All of them. The ones caused by the Nigerian government. The ones caused by the Chinese government. The ones caused by the North Korean government. And the ones caused by the American government. And let us mourn the deaths of all of the people killed unjustly around the world.

Thank you, Factician; you have made quite clear that you are utterly incapable of distinguishing between the faith of Islam and the radical ideological movement called Islamism.

Colugo,

Editing what you wrote but not, I think, doing damage to the sense:

"Depending on their political orientation, many view militant Islam as... a generic mass of mindless evil, or the whole of the Muslim world."

Which is, as far as I'm concerned, precisely the criticism of Islamofascism Awareness Week.

I dunno if you're going so far as to suggest this, but I think any appreciation of a group or culture, that tries to explain their behaviour as primarily the product of an ideology, is misleading.

Factician,

You seem to have no point other than to obscure any difference between groups. If I declare next week "Cancer Awareness Week" you would no doubt bristle "Well heart disease kills more people, and what about Malaria?"

Islamic extremism is a problem worthy of our attention even though there are other dangerous religious and political organizations and groups. (Not to mention tooth decay.) So how exactly does the fact that other extremists groups are a threat delegitimize bringing attention to Islamicists for one week?

Kagehi,

A careful examination of the scientific evidence has lead me to the conclusion that we face no dire consequences from CO2 emissions from "business as usual" fossil fuel usage. The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are in no danger of melting in the next 1,000 years. Claims to the contrary are motivated by political and philosophical issues not empirical, verifiable evidence.

Your appeals to the "precautionary principle" ignore the very real costs, both financial and human, of abandoning fossil fuels.

A careful examination of the scientific evidence has lead me to the conclusion that we face no dire consequences from CO2 emissions from "business as usual" fossil fuel usage.

What makes you think you have 1) been more careful than the actual climatologists and 2) seen all the evidence?

The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are in no danger of melting in the next 1,000 years.

This is an argument from ignorance, and answers point 2) above.

The eastern Antarctic ice sheet is indeed out of danger, unless we trigger a major methane burp. Unlike the western sheet, it seems to have survived the last 45 million years without interruption.

Greenland will more or less inevitably be green in a few hundred years, as it was in the exceptional interglacial 400,000 years ago. For a starter, I recommend

Jonathan M. Gregory, Philippe Huybrechts & Sarah C. B. Raper: Threatened loss of the Greenland ice-sheet, Nature 428, 616 (8 April 2004)

And while you're on the Nature website, do a little search. You'll find several more and bigger papers.

In the meantime, kiss Bangladesh goodbye. That's where the "very real costs" lie.

Incidentally, the paper I mentioned is based on data from the previous (3rd) IPCC report. The new one is generally scarier. Being over 3 years old, the paper also doesn't include the latest observations that show Greenland is melting faster than already expected.

Aggh. Stop feeding the troll!

Lance is a global warming crank. Ignore him, he's not convinced by evidence or data despite his cries of being a scientist. He's hijacked and run amok on this thread and I'm just going to disemvowel at this point (if Chris doesn't object it being his thread).

MarkH,

I believe disemvoweling is a technique employed to censor offensive language and malicious personal attacks. As far as I can tell the only personal attack was you calling me a crank. Perhaps you should disemvowel yourself.

I replied directly to the topic of this thread in a cogent and respectful manner. The subject of this thread is Islamofascism. I made a passing remark in regard to your favorite religion, AGW, and then responded to the direct posts of others. I note you don't accuse them of highjacking.

Much as the Islamic Mullahs will not tolerate any discussion they consider heresy, you are attempting to censor remarks you find offensive to your faith.

Maybe we need a week to highlight eco-fascism.

As far as I can tell the only personal attack was you calling me a crank. Perhaps you should disemvowel yourself.

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I made a passing remark in regard to your favorite religion, AGW...

So let me get this straight. You claim that you being called a crank is a personal attack, but that you referring to anthropogenic global warming as a religion (when its proponents claim that it is well supported by scientific evidence) is not a personal attack? I would call that... interesting. I would also call it blatant hypocrisy.

Anyway, let's all agree that global warming is off-topic for this thread.

In the meantime... if I were a woman in the United States, my chances of being killed by a Christian terrorist would be considerably greater than my chances of being killed by an Islamic terrorist. Since I am a man, the odds are a little more even - but still vanishingly small either way.

Mithrandir: "my chances of being killed ... vanishingly small"

By that logic Nazism, Japanese imperialism, and Communism were never significant threats to Americans.

Perhaps the 'Deck of Cards' analysis should be applied to certain responses to the threat of militant Islamism.

Note to Factician: A militant Islamist is not simply any terrorist or dictator who happens to be Muslim, much less any Muslim.

By that logic Nazism, Japanese imperialism, and Communism were never significant threats to Americans.

"Islamofascists'" chance of gaining any actual power in the USA: between slim and none.

Just-plain-fascists' chance of gaining any actual power in the USA: quite plausible, given george w. bush's willingness to disregard the Constitution, cheered on by frightened alarmists like "Colugo".

I wish I had a 1970's vintage police cruiser to disrupt the events, as demonstrated here.

Links, Info on the 'Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week'
Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week - Terrorism Awareness Project

During the week of October 22-26, 2007, the nation will be rocked by the biggest conservative campus protest ever Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week,
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/

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Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week kicks off; Update ...Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week kicks off; Update: Just in time for IFA Weeka new bin Laden tape.
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/22/islamo-fascism-awareness-week-kicks-off/

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Interview on Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week on National Review Online, Its Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week the brainchild of David Horowitz, warrior for truth on American college campuses. Horowitzs Terrorism Awareness ...
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDI5NDA2YTFiMDkyZTJkYjI3NDIyMzhlOTc5MDc3ZjM=

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Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week Begins An open invitation to any college students who havent been brainwashed: email your photographs of Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, and they may be published ...
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27649&only&rss

Islamo-Fascism Week Spotlights Terrorism Even Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejads Islamic Republic News Agency is getting into the fray, issuing two press releases to help students at Columbia University protest Horowitzs appearance at his alma mater later this week.
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/islamofascism_week/2007/10/23/43339.html

Jihad Watch: Iran notices Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week His sole purpose for being on the show, in which he was given plenty of time to expound upon, was to protest the Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week. ...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018517.php

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Far Left Loons Begin Their Nutty IAW Campus Protests
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/far-left-loons-planning-protests.html
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Whos Afraid of Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week?

PUBLISHED OCTOBER 15, 2007

Why is an idea so frightening to some members of the Columbia community that they need to organize a campaign to suppress it before it is even aired? Why have some Columbians taken it upon themselves to conduct a hate campaign against students who want to discuss issues that affect us all? Why, on the other hand, were many of these same groups determined to welcome to Columbia a dictator who is providing weapons to kill American men and women in Iraq, who has called for the extermination of the Jewish state, and who presides over a regime that has murdered 4,000 gays and hung women from cranes for alleged sexual improprieties? If the welcome mat was okay for Ahmadinejad, why do these people want to deny a platform to Columbia students who are concerned about the threat of Islamo-Fascism?

Is Islamo-Fascism a threat? In fact, this is exactly the kind of question that will be discussed during the week of Oct. 22-26 at Columbia, unless campus leftists obstruct it the way they did Jim Gilchrists attempt to discuss the border issue last year. The fascist threat is real, and not just in Iraq or Iran.
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/node/27440

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"I was happy to return to the US on the evening of Sept. 10th. 2001. The next morning I saw the second airplane hit the twin towers, I knew Jihad has come to America. Muhammad Attah was from Cairo, the same city I came from. I called several friends in Cairo, they were all in denial and said How dare you say that Arabs did this? Dont you know this is a Jewish conspiracy?'

You owe it to yourself to read the whole article.

Nonie Darwish vs. Berkeley Left On Islamo-Fascism ...
http://vdare.com/walker/071024_darwish.htm

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Egyptian Journalist: Arabs Dont Need Land, They Need Tolerance
http://iris.org.il/blog/exit.php?url_id=55308&entry_id=2565

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"We, Arabs are fighting an imaginary Jew of our own creation".
http://womenslens.blogspot.com/2007/10/islamo-fascism-awareness-week-day-2.html
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Robert Spencer @ Depaul University! [videos] Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week!
http://freedomfolks.com/blog/2007/10/23/robert-spencer-depaul-university-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/

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No Pasarán! - Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2007/10/islamo-fascism-awareness-week.html

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STOP KUFFARPHOBIA DEMO LONDON - INFORMATION:: The subject of the demonstration is Islamic Persecution.

Political parties are not welcome, but individuals may attend.

Persecuted minority groups likely to be represented are

Armenians
Assyrians
Copts
Hindus
Sikhs
Indonesian Christians

And others

There will be speakers from these groups.

If any persecuted non-Islamic group wishes to be represented please contact SIOE England directly.

There will be a contingent of people opposed to Turkeys entry into the European Union.

Flags of persecuted groups will be permitted, subject to prior approval.

Banners highlighting the plight of persecuted minorities in Islamic countries are permitted.

SIOE banners and slogans obviously are permitted and may be obligatory if other banners are used.

http://sioeengland.blogspot.com/2007/09/islamo-fascism-awareness-week.html

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Christopher Hitchens: Defending Islamofascism - Its a valid term. Heres Why.
http://www.slate.com/id/2176389/fr/nl/

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Dr. Daniel Pipes Discusses The Threat Of Radical Islam At Scuttled Islamo-Fascism Awareness Event

Dr. Pipes told the audience that radical Islam is the problem and moderate Islam is the solution and warned that the greatest danger to the West was in legal Islamism which is crafted to work, through the system.

According to Pipes, The key battles in this warare the political battles between ourselves and in that conflict public opinion was more important than soldiers on a battlefield. He outlined two goals, the first being to, marginalize radical Islam and the second, to strengthen the moderates.

Dr. Pipes concluded his address, Noting that the problem ultimately isbetween Muslims among themselves and that Islam was not radical a few decades ago.

As proof of this he compared it to the countries formerly operating under the ideologies of fascism and communism which are now considered allies of the West, stressing that we must help the moderates and that it was Muslims themselves who needed to be in the forefront of the reformation of Islam.
http://www.pipelinenews.org/index.cfm?page=pipes10.23.07.htm

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No one is Free Under Sharia!
...Moderate and liberal Islamists promise to be kinder gentler masters than the Taliban or the Iranians.

A slave to a kind master is still a slave.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/189854.php

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Islamo-Fascism Denial [Oct. 23 07]

There is nothing artful or contrived in the term "Islamo-Fascism." It is derived from history itself. Hassan al Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood (from which today's radical Muslim groups descend) was, after all, an open admirer and supporter of Adolf Hitler -- as was the principal theorist of the modern jihad, Sayyid Qutb. During World War II, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, cousin of Yasir Arafat and spiritual godfather of Palestinian nationalism, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, prouncounced his pro-Nazi sympathies openly and proudly. In May 1941, he issued a fatwa calling upon the Germans to bomb Tel Aviv, and in November 1941 traveled to Berlin and met with Hitler. He implored the Nazi dictator to help implement a Final Solution in the Middle East. Then he went to the Balkans, where he spearheaded the creation of Muslim units of the Waffen SS.

In terms of the specific terrorist groups and entities mentioned in the MSA packet, all of them -- along with many others -- have indeed made clear that they wish to destroy the United States and dominate the world under an oppressive caliphate -- that is, a unified Islamic state ruled by Islamic Sharia law:

Al-Qaeda: Osama bin Laden has said that the 9/11 attacks strengthened the Muslims, "which is a very good sign and a great step towards the unity of Muslims and establishing the Righteous Islamic Khilafah [caliphate] insha-Allah [Allah willing]." His second-in-command, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, has declared: "The war with Israel is not about a treaty, a cease-fire agreement, Sykes-Picot borders, national zeal, or disputed borders. It is rather a jihad for the sake of God until the religion of God is established. It is jihad for the liberation of Palestine, all Palestine, as well as every land that was a home for Islam, from Andalusia to Iraq. The whole world is an open field for us."
Hamas: The Hamas Charter sets out its Islamic mission as global: "Its spatial dimension extends wherever on earth there are Muslims, who adopt Islam as their way of life; thus, it penetrates to the deepest reaches of the land and to the highest spheres of Heavens. . . . By virtue of the distribution of Muslims, who pursue the cause of the Hamas, all over the globe, and strive for its victory, for the reinforcement of its positions and for the encouragement of its Jihad, the Movement is a universal one." Universal in what way? The Palestinian Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi exhorted believers in 2002 "Oh beloved, look to the East of the earth, find Japan and the ocean; look to the West of the earth, find [some] country and the ocean. Be assured that these will be owned by the Muslim nation, as the Hadith says . . . 'from the ocean to the ocean.'"

The Muslim Brotherhood: Its founder, Hasan Al-Banna, wrote that "it is a duty incumbent on every Muslim to struggle towards the aim of making every people Muslim and the whole world Islamic, so that the banner of Islam can flutter over the earth and the call of the Muezzin can resound in all the corners of the world: God is greatest [Allahu akbar]!" Despite recent claims to the contrary, there is no evidence that the Brotherhood has renounced this goal.

Hezbollah: Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has made clear that he wishes to pose a threat to the United States: "Let the entire world hear me. Our hostility to the Great Satan is absolute.I conclude my speech with the slogan that will continue to reverberate on all occasions so that nobody will think that we have weakened. Regardless of how the world has changed after 11 September, Death to America will remain our reverberating and powerful slogan: Death to America."

The Islamic Republic of Iran: While as a Shi'ite he does not wish to see the establishment of a caliphate, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad harbors similar dreams of Islamic domination. He said in 2005: "we will soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism and will breathe in the brilliant time of Islamic sovereignty over today's world."

And in terms of Saddam Hussein, suffice it to say that there was a reason he trained thousands of Islamic jihad terrorists from all over the Middle East at camps in Iraq over the four years preceding the U.S. invasion.
http://www.aina.org/news/2007102311299.htm

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Islamo-fascism Awareness Week a success

October 29, 2007

Islamo-fascism Awareness Week is not about racism, bigotry, Islamo-phobia or a claim that all Muslims are radical and seek to harm those who dont agree with them. It is to raise awareness about the growing group who are.

Islamo-fascists are a group whose deadly fascistic ideology has affected close to every country on the globe, made almost 9,000 attacks since September 11, 2001, and now kills about 1,300 people per year.
http://thedaily.washington.edu/article/2007/10/29/islamofascismAwarenessWeekASucces

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The Left and the Term "Islamo-Fascism"
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23132&page=1

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Why 'Islamofascism' correctly identifies threat [Oct. 25 07]

Islamofascism is an ideology that seeks a global theocracy under the dictatorship of a caliph. Everyone will be converted to their extremist interpretation of Islam, and any one who resists will be killed in the name of Allah. These extremists, however, do not represent the basic beliefs of Islam, and their message and methods resemble Nazis more than Muslims. Their goals are almost a mirror image of Hitler's dreams of world domination and extermination of the Jews, except their justification claims to be rooted in Islam rather than German nationalism.

How is "Islamofascism" a racist term? It isn't. The term has nothing to do with the ethnicity of our enemy, nor should it. The term is a fusion of Islam - which is a religion and not a race - and fascism. Most of the terrorists are ethnically Arabic, but the membership of al-Qaida and similar networks is not exclusively Arabic. The focus of the word is fascism, which is used to describe the terrorists' methods and goals.

How does the phrase "militant fundamentalist Muslims" more accurately describe who we are fighting? It doesn't. Our enemy is indeed militant and claims to be Muslim, but their breed of Islam is not fundamentalist. The fundamentals of Islam are faith, worship, charity, sacrifice and pilgrimage. Islamofacism has interpreted Islam as not only a religion but an entire political and economic system as well. They have twisted the meaning of holy war into a tangible fight against infidels when the concept of jihad is supposed to be an internalized battle within the human conscience.
http://media.www.lsureveille.com/media/storage/paper868/news/2007/10/25/Opinion/Why-islamofascism.Correctly.Identifies.Threat-3059132.shtml

Maria:

Within the skeptic / atheist / science community there are many who are sympathetic to your view - Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Ibn Warraq, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, David Deutsch - and myself. But please do not link to the paleoconservative, xenophobic site VDARE. We in the community opposed to militant Islamism, especially freethinkers, need to be wary of some of those who claim to be our friends. We should remember that our allies are democratic and reformist Muslims, not ethnonationalists.

Between Daniel Pipes and David Horowitz, how much more do you need to make this a circus? Yes, adding vdare to the mix would certainly put this over-the-top.

I hope that others will join me in voting for Rudy Giuliani during the next election, so that the good advice of these sensible advisers can be implemented.

Muslims Against Sharia congratulate David Horowitz FREEDOM CENTER and Mike Adams, Tammy Bruce, Phyllis Chesler, Ann Coulter, Nonie Darwish, Greg Davis, Stephen Gale, David Horowitz, Joe Kaufman, Michael Ledeen, Michael Medved, Alan Nathan, Cyrus Nowrasteh, Daphne Patai, Daniel Pipes, Dennis Prager, Luana Saghieh, Rick Santorum, Jonathan Schanzer, Christina Sommers, Robert Spencer, Brian Sussman, Ed Turzanski, Ibn Warraq and other speakers on the success of the Islamofascism Awareness Week.

Islamofascism (or Islamism) is the main threat facing modern civilization and ignorance about this threat is astounding. We hope that this event becomes regular and reaches every campus.

A great many Westerners do not see the clear distinction between Islam and Islamism (Islamofascism). They need to understand that the difference between Islam and Islamism (Islamofascism) is the same as the difference between Christianity and Christian Identity Movement (White Supremacy Movement).

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