I was tickled today to see a full-page ad running in the Times (Page A13) asking readers to reject the "Mob Veto." What mob veto? The gay mob veto! The gays are engaging in "violence and intimidation" against the Mormons because of their support for Proposition 8 (California's gay marriage ban.)
I never thought I'd live to see a gay mob. Yes, there are many public events in San Francisco with many gay people, but they're never violent, even when wearing scary biker gear.
Maybe I take this more seriously if the authors of this advertisement (the Catholic League and other usual suspects) would take out a full page ad against the evangelical mob, groups like the Westboro Baptist Church.
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Oh, and what was Prop 8 in the FIRST PLACE?
The mob rule, that's what.
I've got a few words for these ignorant godwallopers, most of them about four letters long. I can't believe these morons can still piss me off so badly.
...there seems to be a "tell us your story" thing. And somewhere to add names. If it didn't look like it was adding support, I'd be all for flooding them with the nonsense names that you always sign in hotel registers.
What a bunch of hypocrites.
What is the denial of rights to a minority by a majority but mob rule? It is disingenuous for individuals and institutions to lie about issues, inflame public opinion by preying on the ignorance and bigotry of the mob of their followers and then prattle about freedom of speech.
Where was their promotion of free speech and the criticism of those advocating violence during cracker-gate?
Are these groups supporting the freedom of speech of atheist organizations to spread their message that belief in God is unnecessary to lead a good and moral life?
I believe it was President Kennedy who said; Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable.
*What* violence against mormons are they referring to?
THE GAY MOB?????? Where do I join up? I wanna veto somethin'! :D
Make all the jokes you want, but gay, straight - somewhere in between - doesn't matter. You do NOT want to piss off the gay mob.
Nice house you have there. It would be too bad if someone redecorated it, now wouldn't it?
Let's propose an amendment to the constitution to make Mormonism illegal. After all, most of the country isn't mormon.
They did pass a law to make Mormonism illegal, remember? It was when they outlawed polygamy 150 years ago.
Mormons complied, and everyone now seems to agree that the nation is better off for this "limitation of rights." The nation will be better off in this case, too, if the gays will simply follow the Mormons' policy, as stated in their articles of faith (and I quote):
"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."
You didn't see a bunch of Mormons dressed up weird with offensive, stupid signs protesting at gay bars and other hangouts when gay marriage was legalized in California, did you? Their behavior in this case simply points out why such an immature group of people, though loud and annoying, should not be allowed to push the majority around, as they are attempting to do.
Yes, we shouldn't allow immature people to push us around!
Why, exactly, will that make the nation better off? Is it better to always avoid conflict, or is there an inherent problem with gay people marrying? Some other reason?
That's a silly analogy. Gays weren't taking anything away from Mormons by marrying. People who supported Prop 8 (including the Mormon church) were taking something away from gays.
Incidentally, I'd like to add that I have a problem with allowing a superstitious majority to push around others who don't share all of their goofball beliefs.
Clay it is very clear fact not all Mormons complied and still practice polygamy, with underage girls at that.
@clay: Yes, and those uppity slaves should've known their place and not asked to be freed. The law said they had to obey their masters and, well, the law's the law, you have to obey it, y'know...
Over the top? A little. But the Mormons are crying "discrimination" because people are standing in front of their churches and exercising their right to free speech, and trying to amplify every badly behaved person into a domestic terrorist. If the Mormons were currently enduring police raids and police beatings and publication of their names in the newspapers for purposes of public shaming (like gay people experienced up through the 1970s), or something else of that magnitude, then they would have a solid argument that they were being discriminated against. But if people are standing in front of their church and saying stuff, well, tough. Them's the breaks for wading into a political quagmire.
Oh, and we San Franciscans did see religious nuts dressed up weird with offensive, stupid signs protesting at gay bars, gay churches, city hall... the Phelpses were, naturally, at the top of the "guest" list, but there were others as well.
Yes, the Phelpses are not the Mormons. But if you kick a person when they're down, you're not really making yourself look better by saying, "Hey, I didn't kick you as hard as that guy, so stop complaining!"
I like the last line in the "No Mob Veto" ad: "Furthermore, beginning today, we commit ourselves to exposing and publicly shaming anyone who resorts to the rhetoric of anti-religious bigotry -- against any faith, on any side of any cause, for any reason." As prominent Evangelicals and Jews and Civil Rights advocates are agreed on this, we can finally expect effective action to bring an end to "radical atheism". Crawl back into your foxholes, atheists!
Guess you weren't around for the white night riots in San Francisco. That was a real gay mob, none of this pussyfooting around singing songs and holding signs and making very funny internet videos.