Federal Marriage Amendment, the Sequel

But they have to keep on trying, don't they?

They way I see it, a constitutional amendment is the only way to prevent same-sex marriage from becoming a reality.

I thought the point of the immigration fuss was for emotional leverage in the elections. It did certainly come up as an issue at a random time. Now they need another issue to shake their heads about in attack ads?

John said: They way I see it, a constitutional amendment is the only way to prevent same-sex marriage from becoming a reality.

And maybe not even that. Constitutional Amendments have been repealed before. I remember reading an article in a Seventh-Day Adventist publication (I don't recall which - it was just waiting-room reading at my wife's grandmother's nursing home) that acknowledged this, saying that Christians really needed to pick up on their Witnessing, because unless society itself changed, changing the law meant nothing.

I don't sympathize with their goals or even believe that they're possible to achieve, but I give the SDA's credit for going about it in a more sensible and humane manner.

Sometimes I have to wonder what other fundies - and don't get me wrong, SDA's *are* fundies - think: do they really believe that if they outlaw (for example) homosexuality and abortion, that homosexuality and abortion will disappear? Or do they just want to ostracize and punish the "sinners" (all the while protecting themselves and "the children! Won't somebody please think about the children!" from contamination, of course)? Either way, I can't help but think that the ancient Palestinian carpenter who hung out with hookers and had some definite ideas about who had the right to cast the first stone would not approve.

But I digress.

My original point is: if the Religious Right couldn't get this done with this President and this Congress, they can't do it at all - and they'll never get a better chance. Their power is only going to wane from here on, at least on this issue - they complain that homosexuality is growing more acceptable all the time, and I think they're right. It's just that I think it's a *good* thing.

They just want to get in a few last kicks in their legislative queer-bashing while they can.

The Republican party - The party of fear, hate, and loathing.

do they really believe that if they outlaw (for example) homosexuality and abortion, that homosexuality and abortion will disappear? Or do they just want to ostracize and punish the "sinners"

A lot of fundies see the acceptance, not just tolerance, but acceptance of so many "sinfull" behaviours as another sign of the fullfilment of Revelations and the end of this world. I think that many of them are afraid of that happening and think that outlawing these behaviours will stave off teh end. It is easy for them to say that they look forward to the second coming but secretly it scares the hell out of most of them. It has made for some lively debates with people in my church. I tend to argue that a. sin is between an individual and God,(a major tenet in my church's belief) and b. the bible clearly deliniates that Christians are to be in the world not of it - i.e. we live by our faith in spite of what teh "world" throws at us. Oddly, even many of the conservatives in my church agree with me after we get to the heart of the argument. The brick wall usually doesn't come up until I mention my belief that the legal standing afforded marriage should be abolished. . .

Funny thing is, even people like James Dobson can't stay on message:

Dobson has also made dire claims about the alleged threat of same sex marriage and feels so strongly that he advocates the passage of a Federal Marriage Amendment against same sex marriage and has created a lobbying group ( Focus On The family Action ) to fight against same sex marriage. But Mr. Dobson, in a Wednesday Indiana newspaper advice column, failed to include the alleged threat of "gay marriage" in a list of [12] divorce risk factors.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/18/9515/98751

I remember reading an article in a Seventh-Day Adventist publication ...that acknowledged this, saying that Christians really needed to pick up on their Witnessing, because unless society itself changed, changing the law meant nothing.

In the one sociology course I took in college - the Sociology of Protest Movements - there was a theory that went something like "legislation is the last gasp of a social movement." When a social movement has to resort to encoding in law what had once been accepted as the norm in society, it is doomed to failure, because social change is nearly impossible to reverse. In a situation like this, the social concept of marriage is undergoing a change, and the state and federal laws and amendments are the last opportunity for those that resist the change to stop it - and even they must know it is a lost cause in the end. All of this legislation can be reversed, and the opinions of the younger generation clearly show in what direction society's beliefs are moving.

Even if the far right were able to get this amendment passed, it likely would be as big a failure as Prohibition, because both amendments tried to blame all sorts of social ills on a specific cause. The removal of that cause in the case of Prohibition did nothing but exacerbate the social problems, and its relatively quick reverse.