Adolf Hitler signed into law a decree that any non-Aryan 'civil servant' would lose their job. This included every Jewish scientist and professor. Thus most Jewish scientists packed their bags and moved somewhere their intellect would be appreciated, with fate-shifting consequences. I know Im not the only one that heard the old-wives-tale-- If Germany hadnt EXPELLED its scientific elite, they might have had the bomb before us.
So it should come as no surprise to anyone that the current oppressive regime stifling hard working Creationist scientists in the US will lead us to a similar end. Brilliant Creationists are under constant threat of being EXPELLED if they dont publish research or win grant dollars. Creationists that EARNED tenure before these dark times are now forced to endure a steady stream of dirty jokes and foul language on the internet. We can only expect these geniuses to tolerate so much persecution before we lose them... and now they have an oasis to escape to...
Adnan Okatartarfishypoon has accomplished in Turkey what Creationists in the US have been fighting 200 years for-- To officially EXPEL ban censor disappear 'establish with SCIENCE that Darwin and evilution is a LIE' in Turkey.
Remember, they already EXPELLED banned censored disappeared 'decided Dawkins is a naughty naughty meanie-bo-beenie WORSE than HITLER' last year.
While brave freedom fighters are still battling the evils of Darwin and Dawkins in the US, those clever fundamentalist Muslims are already busy recreating the Garden of Eden. Its only a matter of time before our Creationists get sick of 'science' in the US, and move to Turkey where they are free to force science to submit His will.
Its a dark day in American History.
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Certainly, Germany came up with many novel weapons. Some were decades ahead of their time (radio and television guided bombs, for example).
Indeed, more labor camp victims died making V2 rockets than German enemies died getting hit by them. But what are tens of thousands of dead, when NASA wanted to get to the moon? Science, science, science. We must have Werner von Braun; his science is more important than those he killed.
NAZI Germany is a prime example of the type of government you get when it is guided principally by science.
On the other hand, Heisenberg may have had more to do with Germany failing to come up with the bomb, by directing efforts toward using heavy water instead of graphite. Some believe the great scientist may have intentionally sabotaged the effort to generate plutonium.
If true, this raises the question: Was he guided by science? Or was he guided by conscience? (What is the scientific explanation of conscience, anyway? Do you even believe it exists? Where in the brain is it?)
Why is what happens in Turkey a dark day in American History?
William Wallace: "NAZI Germany is a prime example of the type of government you get when it is guided principally by PSEUDOscience."
There. I've fixed it for you. No need to thank me.
Bob-- Because our scientific ELITE, our Creationists, are going to immigrate to Turkey! All hope is lost!
*blink*
Im being facetious.
Go drink coffee :P
ROFL Bob O'H, is the old Aspergers syndrome catching up?
Oi ERV, you're a comedian of note... and a scientist... rare breed you.
Please puhruhtty please could you please post a few links to articles you have published? Really interested! Puhruhtty please! :)
Yipes!
Hamhead Yomama's cronies have been spamming nature.com's comments with various quote-mines, claims of academic oppression, and the rest of the common canards.
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090310/full/news.2009.150.html
I had known about RD.net being blocked, and Aardvark Octopod's 500lb bible of fallacies, but it's disheartening to witness firsthand the Turkish counterpart to the DiscoTard crap factory in operation, and using almost the very same tactics.
I wonder if Hardeharhar regularly gets together with Stephen Meyer and the rest of the eggheads for wide-stance strategy meetings...
NAZI germani is a prime example of the type of government you get when it is guided principally by a f***ing genocidal lunatic. If I were science, I'd be pretty insulted by your original statement!
Is it just me or did wally just claim that the Nazis were principally guided by science? Now, I'm a scientist, and I seem to have missed the "political guidance: try murderous fascism!" part of my lecture courses. Clearly my education is somehow deficient.
The Nazis did claim that their attempted genocide was a matter of racial hygiene inspired by the work of Pasteur and Koch. We await wally's fervent denunciation of all forms of antisepsis forthwith! Ban bleach, prohibit soap, and moist towelettes must be suppressed for their nazi associations!
"Holy" crap... did any of you read the comments on that nature article from turks? The brainwashing by the fundies in Turkey seems to be very effective.
I have little doubt that those comments are left by a) non-Turks, and/or b) non-scientists.
The very first for-realsies Creationist I interacted with was an Islamic Creationist who babbled about Harynawhatever constantly. This person presented themselves as a 'scientist' and an 'evilution doubter'.
This person was actually a Canadian Muslim, a 6th year psychology undergrad, and was planning on attending medical school (C-average GPA, and couldnt get a decent score on the MCAT, shocker).
Id bet a bottle of single malt scotch those comments are not left by 'Turkish scientists'.
If there are any Creationists who wish to seek asylum in the no-nonsense land of Turkey, I can probably find a few people to help them pack their bags.
Heck -- I'll even chip in on some one-way flight tickets! Get your passports ready, kids!
Brain drain! We're going to lose our cutting-edge Christian woo researchers to Turkey! Waddle we doo?!
When the dust settles we'll have hardly any YEC-researchers left in this country, and we'll have to dispatch press gangs into the anti-vaxxers pancake socials to recruit replacements!
OMG!!
I know Im not the only one that heard the old-wives-tale-- If Germany hadnt EXPELLED its scientific elite, they might have had the bomb before us.
The usual insinuation of "old wives' tale" is that the information in question is false.
Leaving aside William Wallace's questionable version (I dunno his age or marital status, but the phrase "old husbands' tales" comes to mind), and the well-established tendency of Nazi politicians to counterproductively interfere with research projects, why call that story an OWT?
I think the response to 'they would have gotten The Bomb before us' is that the Allies would have taken out their manufacturing facilities before they could have completed/tested it anyway, so it wouldnt have really mattered.
Re #14: The Allies' strategic bombing campaign had serious flaws. We certainly can't assume that we would have been able to find, much less destroy, what would have been a well-hidden target facility.
Mac
The Norwegian heavy water sabotage was a series of actions taken by Norwegian saboteurs during World War II to prevent the German nuclear energy project from acquiring heavy water, which could be used to produce nuclear weapons. The raid was aimed at the 60-MW Vemork power station at the Rjukan waterfall in Telemark.
In 1934, at Vemork, Norsk Hydro built the first commercial plant specifically to produce heavy water. It had a capacity of 12 tons per year. During World War II, the Allies decided to destroy the heavy water plant in order to inhibit the Nazi development of nuclear weapons. In late 1942, a raid by British paratroopers failed when the military gliders crashed and all the raiders were killed in the crash or shot by the Gestapo. In 1943, a team of British-trained Norwegian commandos succeeded in a second attempt at destroying the production facility.
Between 1942 and 1944 a sequence of sabotage actions by the Norwegian resistance movement, as well as Allied bombing, ensured the destruction of the plant and the loss of the heavy water produced. These operations â codenamed "Freshman", "Grouse" and "Gunnerside" â finally managed to knock the plant out of production in early 1943, basically ending the German research.
From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage
Non-scientists for sure, but I'd bet that they were some of Oktar's little flying monkeys. Or maybe just one, posting under several aliases. Certainly they were all working from the same garbled script.
The claim to be a "scientist who rejects evolution" is something that seems to be a lot more common online these days, and not just among creationist engineers. These days, it seems like any 12-year-old can get all hopped up on Jesus and Smarties and post some semi-coherent rant based on the long-debunked canards he just learned at homeschool that day, then top it off by claiming to be a "scientist."
My pet theory is that they are acting exactly in the tradition of the pious frauds that had a hand in creating their religion: they are taking on the voice of the "good Christian scientists" that they are certain exist in such great numbers -- after all, aren't they told that "more and more scientists are rejecting evolution"? It's all the same way that the various authors and compilers of the Bible claimed that the Pentateuch was written by Moses (even the parts after his death), or that the gospels were written by "eyewitnesses" (despite detailing events that none of the disciples were privy to).
Just makes me wonder if this is a conscious tradition of pious fraud, or if they're both just derived from a common propensity toward the sort of dishonesty (even to oneself) that would lead one to be a fundamentalist.
Abbie, do you get the feeling that Harun Yippy-Skippy and Fred Phelps would get along very well together?
They even made it into a film (with Kirk Douglase, yumm ...).
Bugger fuck cocking wankbollocks.
I bloody well want Turkey in the EU. And then they pull a stunt like this.
Here's another perspective on a purported Nazi A-Bomb: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4348497.stm (one which I don't think has been confirmed, and don't expect to be).
Even after expelling the Jews, Germany had a lot of top-rate talent in physics. Fortunately, the Nazi leadership neither motivated nor heeded them very much.
The Wonderful World of Wally proclaims:
"Indeed, more labor camp victims died making V2 rockets than German enemies died getting hit by them."
Ummmm.... so the Allies should have held off on attacking the enemies weapons factories???
"But what are tens of thousands of dead, when NASA wanted to get to the moon?"
Ahhh! So the Allies, specifically, the US, and particularly, the US governmental agency that hadn't even been conceptualized yet, knew that they could justify their attacks because an obscure naval officer in the Pacific who would be President two decades into the future would set into motion a science/technology program to put men on the moon. Now that is clairvoyant!
Say! Maybe God told them, eh? But then that would mean that God knew those poor people would be killed, and ... oooohhh! Better not go there Wally!
"Science, science, science. We must have Werner von Braun; his science is more important than those he killed."
Oh, even better! They knew exactly which scientist they would need for the bold project to take place in the future.
Huh! Who would thunk that? Why Wally, of course. Your history may just be worse than your religious babbling, Wallace. At least you usually get the time-line right there.
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Yes, yes, William. We already know that science leads you to killing people.