This whole conversion story in Afghanistan has been in the news recently. The Christian Science Monitor attempts to put the issue of conversion from Islam to another religion in an international perspective. I am cautious about making large generalizations without qualifications, but I will offer that as a civilization, "Dar-al-Islam," has particular issues with conversion when set against "Hindu" or "Christian" civilization. Though the difference is quantitative, not qualitative, some facts are so naked that caveats can not truly cover up the shame.
There are "Muslim" nations where conversion to other religions is socially acceptable. Albania and Indonesia are two such cases. In Albania the dereligionization of Communist period has been followed by a feeding frenzy of religious activity as Muslim and Christian groups have entered the country and turned it into a rational choice competitive marketplace of memes. I am to understand the current issue of First Things has an article by Stephen Schwartz where he notes that Muslim clerics in Albania do not begrudge conversions to Christianity (specifically, Roman Catholicism, another one of Albania's traditional religions, as evidenced by Mother Theresa). In Indonesia after the 1960s there were widespread conversions to Hinduism by Communism sympathetic nominal Muslims (whole villages sometimes converted due to animus against orthodox santri Muslim landlords and their right-wing thugs), and to this day there tends to be acceptable religious flux in this nation as Christians, Hindus and Muslims make conversions from each other's camp. In Africa there are also many conversions from Islam to Christianity, I recall Pat Robertson bragging that thousands of members of a tribe that was traditionally Muslim was converted to Christianity in Burkina Faso thanks to the activities of missionaries.
Nevertheless in wide swaths of the Muslim world standard sharia injunctions against conversion away from Islam are normative. For example, in Pakistan and Bangladesh Christian missionaries have targeted the Hindu minorities because the Muslim majority will not tolerate evangelization. The same pattern can be found in Malaysia, where Christians proslyetize amongst Buddhists, Chinese folk religionists and Hindus, but avoid the Muslims for fear of political retribution. I also recall that back in the 1990s Go Chok Tong warned Christian fundamentalists about upsetting the religious balance of the city-state in part because of anger from the Muslim Malay minority.
How to interpret this? First, one must note that horror at conversion to another religion has never been limited to Islam, one only need to look at the Hebrew Bible, or injunctions against Jews owning Christian slaves and statues against Judaizing to know that other branches of the Abrahamic family tree have been ill at ease with individual defections of creed. The long history of interaction between pagan and Christian in Europe between the 4th and 12th centuries was one of transition from the former to the latter, in large part because reversion from the latter to the former was rarely accepted. Within bounds Christians still are not especially comfortable with conversion away from their own flock, the "anti-cult" movements on the fundamentalist fringe of American Christianity are often focused on critiquing New Religious Movements which are perceived as a missionary threat bent on "stealing" their youth (in the course of being instruments of Satan of course). In The Future of Religion Rodney Stark and William Bainbridge report data which shows that Americans who are most supportive of the Great Commission are also the least favorable toward allowing non-Christian missionaries to freely operate within the United States (Seventh Day Adventists were an exception). I also recall years back when John Paul II proudly told Indians that the Catholic Church would not turn aside from its missionary program in South Asia, this, at the same time the Church was vociferously objected to the intrusion of evangelical Protestants into Latin America (Roman Catholics might fairly contend that the analogy does not work because the latter case was "sheep stealing," but of course my understanding is that Catholicism has always been a missionary religion in Protestant lands where such activity is feasible).
There are several issues here. First, intolerance and disgruntlement at defection from group identity is normal. The recent flair ups against Christian missionaries in India and the occassional "Satanism" hysteria in the United States show that it lurks under the surface in cultures where conversion is accepted and protected. I think it is to some extent an emergent property of human "groupishness," of "doing what your neighbor does." In some societies, like the United States conversion from various religions to others is common enough that the social stress is limited to an interpersonal level, community censure is simply too weak to be powerful. There are exceptions, for example I have heard of Mormons who leave the religion not being able to live a normal life in parts of southeastern Idaho because day-to-day interaction is not possible due to ostracism. But in most of the United States the intersection between religious pluralism and social mobility results in a cocktail where "church shopping" is common.
Other nations are not like this. And to some extent the United States is an aberration, the only real analogy being countries like Albania where traditional religious institutions have been totally demolished and have not had the time to recover and monopolize the social space they once held. Most nations with long histories do have "established" churches, whether via custom or law. Russia has the Orthodox Church. Sweden has the Lutheran Church. Malays are Muslim. Spaniards are Roman Catholic. Jews are, well, Jews. These are what I term "cartel cultures" where higher order religious goods & services are monopolized by one particular umbrella institution. Some of these cultures have sizable secular minorities who no longer participate in the transactions mediated by the monopoly (communal prayer, mass, etc.), but there is little competition from other umbrella institutions. In cultures like Russia the monopoly religious institution is not just a religious institution, it is an organic and necessary part of the communal culture. This inseparability means that defection from the Russian Orthodox Church toward a Protestant Christianity is far more threatening than simply lapsing in practice. This might explain the phenomenon of Jews and Muslims in Christian cultures expressing more hostility toward converts to Christianity from their own ranks as opposed to the non-religious who reject the creedal points but do not replace them with an alternative set of beliefs. Unbelief does not necessarily imply rejection of the community, but alternative beliefs do.
The cartel system has been the modus vivendi for many cultures over the past few thousand years. The millet system under the Ottomans was one of the more explicit manifestations of this, each religious leader was responsible for his own community. Elsewhere, rabbis in much of Eastern Europe became princes of their people, and where Roman Catholics were a minority they organized their own counter-cultural institutions against the Protestant majority. In The Netherlands the "pillar" system reflected the self-organization of Catholics, Protestants and the unaffiliated. Of course this system isn't etched into our cultural DNA. Small-scale peoples do not construct doctrines and institutional churches which promote and execute creeds and practices. Nevertheless, the basic tools were already in place, ostracism and other social pressures already had developed to an advanced stage to enforce group conformity and coherence. They were simple scaled up, with an extra layer of rationalistic sophistication (theology, doctrine, etc.) wielded by a specialist class (clerisy) sitting atop the system.
Where does this leave us? In regards to Islam as it is practiced and enforced in much of the Middle East and South Asia it seems that the cultural form is simply a refined expression of a common stable state. Familial, clan and ethnic honor are intertwined with religious profession in a set of interlocking contingent norms and practices with serve as cultural boundaries. In some parts of the Muslim world, in the Balkans, Africa and parts of Southeast Asia the magnitude is attenuated and there is more give and take with other cultural communities. Similarly, in India and and in much of Europe conversion from one religion to another is legal, but subject to social costs and strain. In the United States and South Korea and in parts of Africa conversion is so common, and switching so ubiquitous, and the pace of economic and social development so rapid, that the normal modus vivendi has been overturned and religion has become, to some extent, McChurch. It has been torn away from custom and tradition and stability of generations, and into more ad hoc fluid organizations which serve individualized needs and preferences.
This is important because to some extent in international contexts there seems to be tendency to frame the debate as if the religiously fluid situation in the United States is the norm throughout the world, or that it should be. George W. Bush is a Methodist, his father is an Episcopalian, while his brother converted to Roman Catholicism. Karl Rove is not religious. Marvin Olasky, the father of "compassionate conservatism," is a convert to evangelical Christianity from Judaism. The point is that George W. Bush's experience has primed to see conversion as only a personal choice, when in most of the world it is a profoundly transgressive act that is a rebuke to kith and kin. The recent problems caused by South Korean Christian missionaries in Iraq also point to the same mentality, taking for granted religious conversion as a normal part of life when it isn't. Some of the Christian Churches of the Middle East have a nearly 2,000 year old history, so they are particularly affronted when evangelicals from the United States attempt to "convert" their youth.
Myself, I think the instability of the new world is a byproduct of radical individualism. I like this, I enjoy the choice that volition it introduces into the self-creation of individuals. But, I do not think that its future ascendence is going to be without bumps and rocky patches. And, I don't think it is "normal" in any straightforward sense of the word, humans are a social animal, and the customs and traditions of almost all traditions rebels against the radical choice which enslaves the culture to the whim of the individual.
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Perhaps I'm simply not converscent in the details of Randian thought, but wouldn't the idea of choosing a religeon based on Objectivist principals would have Ayn spinning in her grave? I thought atheism was one of the tenants of objectivism.
Unfortunately when a major portion of the current Republican base is seeking an increasingly "Christian" norm for America, I don't think the ideal being defended is that religeon should be freely chosen, but that conversion to Christianity specifically is a good that must be protected.
I could be a bit cynical on that regard though. =)
lwf, well, i meant 'randian' in the loose sense of hyper-individualism. as for the christian base of the republican party...there are issues here, like the fission between theonomist calvinists and evangelical arminians which lurks under the surface. my contention would be that american christianity is an expression of the radical reformation in its individualistic & anti-communitarian extreme. i suspect our president, a product of this subculture, has a difficult time understanding more 'organic' cultures where religion is more explicitly and fundamentally an expression of communal norms, values and relations, as opposed to a 'personal relationship' with the deity.
ummm...shouldn't that be dar ul islam?
;-)
ul, al, who knows? do you?
The "u" at the end of nouns in Arabic usually means it's in the nominative (or subject) case, as opposed to being the object. "The" is "al," but sometimes they get rid of the "a" and just slur together the "u" + "al" as "ul." If you've ever seen the contractions, it's just the same thing -- "li" + "al" = "lil."
Point taken Razib, I just thought the juxtoposition was interesting. :)
It's a very interesting view on the whole topic, and one I agree with you as a whole. It does have me thinking more about the role of religeon on a community scale within the United States itself, and between American and Canadian multicultural systems.
One thing though: "i suspect our president [...] has a difficult time understanding more 'organic' cultures where religion is more explicitly and fundamentally an expression of communal norms, values and relations, as opposed to a 'personal relationship' with the deity."
I wonder if that deals with Bush's relationships with the Falwells and Dobsons in our country who seem determined to drag us back to that style of cultural religeous unity.
I wonder if that deals with Bush's relationships with the Falwells and Dobsons in our country who seem determined to drag us back to that style of cultural religeous unity.
i think the 'culture of religious unity' is an illusion, it exists as an ideal to march under against 'secular humanists.' there are many divisions underneath the unity of the religious right. for example, jerry falwell, a fundamentalist, does not really totally jive with the pentecostals like pat robertson. re: pentecostal vs. fundamentalist split (the two intersect and are somewhat orthogonal categories, but bear with me) robertson advised g.w. bush not to go to bob jones university in 2000 because he knew that that college, with its calvinist-reformed-fundamentalist ethos, was probably way outside the mainstream.
in other words, the nature of radical protestantism makes 'religious unity' impossible. the perception of unity is only when there is an 'enemy' to fight, whether it be the pope in rome or secular humanists....
I've always thought it interesting that the Calvinist/Arminian split just doesn't seem to be that big a deal in modern America, even though it still exists and was once the basis for civil war in England.
...well, part of the basis...
I've always thought it interesting that the Calvinist/Arminian split just doesn't seem to be that big a deal in modern America, even though it still exists and was once the basis for civil war in England.
in theological incorrectness d. jason slone argues that 'arminianism' is cognitively optimal and so '5 points calvinism' will always default back to operational free wills stances. but in any case, read this mother jones article on reconstructionism and you will note that a hard-core of calvinists-theonomists do operate as 'influencers.' not that i think calvinism per se has anything to do with it (i think theology is mostly gibberish that serves as a group identifier).