Geologists are Republicans?

I was poking around Fund Race 2008 and was curious how different scientist professions were giving in regards to political parties in the USA. Below is what I found....

profession Repub # Dem # Repub $ Dem $ Ratio # Dem $
mathematician 18 98 13740 72837 5.44 5.3
physicist 86 532 65722 425105 6.19 6.47
chemist 172 397 111058 247742 2.31 2.23
biochemist 23 117 16567 100415 5.09 6.06
biologist 27 278 13809 156868 10.3 11.36
geologist 321 294 321835 195143 0.92 0.61
electrical engineer 321 374 184539 244717 1.17 1.33
mechanical engineer 155 149 109542 86466 0.96 0.79
civil engineer 555 419 488337 284625 0.75 0.58
chemical engineer 123 97 87113 54524 0.79 0.63
economist 205 798 239043 784461 3.89 3.28

I suspect that geologists are explicable when you note how many are employed in natural resources industries (e.g., oil).

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You should have checked "astronomer" (53/5). Adding in astrophysicists (26/0) gives a net ratio of 15.8, a record.

Of course, if we picked the president I'm guessing the results of the last couple of elections would have been substantially different. :-)

And biologists are apparently the cheapest scientists, whereas economists have a lot of money to throw around (comes with the territory, I guess).

"chemist" is a little surprising, since most of the ones i know tend to lean republican. i'm not surprised by the ratio under "civil engineer", though:

Q: how do you know that God is a civil engineer?
A: just look at human beings! what other type of engineer would put the plumbing through the playground?

thanks for this post. very interesting.

By Tevebaugh (not verified) on 10 Jun 2008 #permalink

I think that the numbers are seriously skewed by GW Bush. With an old fashioned rational conservative (e.g. GHW Bush) I think that there'd be many more Rs.

In general, more practically / materially oriented people tend R. In a different survey you published, nurses and HS teachers showed up much more R than I would have expected, given the two groups common interest in government spending on health and education. But these two professions include a lot of job-oriented, practical people. (A second factor, especially in nursing, might be religious motivations.)

By John Emerson (not verified) on 10 Jun 2008 #permalink

As a geologist, it all comes down to mining and petroleum geology.

Neither are friendly to the environment. And some of the biggest professional-scientist audiences to global-warming skepticism come from petroleum geologists. The Canadian Society of Petroleum Geologists is one of the last professional organizations to have a completely backward stance on AGW.

By Miguelito (not verified) on 10 Jun 2008 #permalink

I used the Huff Po's FundRace as an assignment in my interactive design class last semester. The assignment was to coax unexpected data from a select.

Congratulations Razib!

The trends seen here will almost certainly reflect the acceptance of ID/creationism. [Dissenters from Darwinism]

By natural cynic (not verified) on 10 Jun 2008 #permalink

Take a look at these numbers:

Profession==============R#====D#===(Ratio)=====R$======D$===(Ratio)
programmer____________522__1,135__(2.17)__374,480___74,7653__(2.00)
computer programmer__416__1,176__(2.83)__259,097___785,734__(3.03)
software programmer____14____26___(1.86)____6,703____12,157__(1.81)
computer engineer______58___134___(2.31)___29,138___117,078__(4.02)
software engineer____1,030__2,926__(2.84)__742,473__1,843,831__(2.49)
computer scientist______48____238__(4.96)___36,868____204,255__(5.54)

Notice that (except for the electrical and software engineers) that engineers lean towards the GOP as well. I think it comes down to two factors.

First, the percentage working in industry. The Republican Party has, throughout its history, been the party of business; thus people working in industry (well, at least the management) would be more GOP-friendly.

But that wouldn't explain the chemists or the computer experts, who probably work in industry at rate as high (or higher) than geologists and engineers. I think it may have to do with the culture common with geology and engineering. I notice , in my limited experience (undergraduate Earth Sciences), that the geology and engineering undergraduates seem to be more conservative than the student body at large. Also, many of the geology majors start in engineering.

By Christopher (not verified) on 10 Jun 2008 #permalink

I didn't realize that economics was considered one of the sciences.

remember that these are self-reported professions. i think by and large someone who is working as a mathematician is working in math in a really obvious way. OTOH, i think 'biologist' might cover lots of different categories (various types of techs all the way to research scientists). 'software engineering' is a catchall field where you have people doing 'blue-collar' code-monkey stuff and then search industrial hard-core professionals. ee, civil, me and ce engineering are totally different because unlike software engineering they're fields constrained by licensing regimes and an expectation that you have an undergraduate background in engineering (though obviously people from physical and mathematical science backgrounds do move horizontally into engineering as well).

Here's a pie chart from the American Geological Institute showing the proportion of geologists in various industries. Oil and mining account for 55% of all geologists. And those two industries skew much more Republican, I imagine, than "industry" in general - environmental regulation affects them directly. (And the oil industry geologists not only imagine that their jobs are threatened by attempts to slow anthropogenic global warming; they learned in their sedimentary geology classes in the 1970's that climate has fluctuated for hundreds of millions of years, and they make the unreasonable assumption that anything that was natural in the past must be natural in the present.)

That would also explain why they tend to be Republicans, but not anti-evolution. They also studied paleontology and historical geology in school; they aren't going to have patience with people who think the Earth is 6000 years old.

Isn't it also the case that conservatives tend to be richer and therefore to donate more?

By David Marjanović (not verified) on 11 Jun 2008 #permalink

Isn't it also the case that conservatives tend to be richer and therefore to donate more?

well, not in absolute levels in this cycle. this is also below the $2500 donations cap.

Academic geologists, however, are overwhelmingly liberal. At least, anecdotally. I've only ever met one conservative geologist in academia; most of them are liberals ranging from apathetic to firebreathing, slanted heavily toward the latter.

Well, the GOP has been as unfriendly to the academy as its been friendly with mammon.

As an aside, I also suspect that the geoblogers lean leftward, and are probably disproportionally academics.

By Christopher (not verified) on 11 Jun 2008 #permalink

I worked in a computer lab once alongside both programmers and electrical engineers. The former were all flaming liberals while the latter were all diehard conservatives. It made for some interesting conversations.

I agree with John Emerson about the skew due to GW Bush. I think there is a second very important skew, which is the race between Obama and Clinton. I suspect numbers were closer in many professions three months ago, and will be closer again in three months.

This really isn't a very good way to estimate political preferences by occupation. These stats are only what they are, a snapshot during an unusual political season.

By infopractical (not verified) on 11 Jun 2008 #permalink

This really isn't a very good way to estimate political preferences by occupation. These stats are only what they are, a snapshot during an unusual political season.

but it shouldn't shift the rank order.

Since the profession name is self-reported, I wouldn't be surprised if academics are over-represented in these samples. Those with postgraduate degrees in the listed fields may have very different job titles if they are employed in the private sector.

It's also useful to speculate how many of these donors are simply squaring themselves with the conventional political wisdom of a Democratic victory. What did the numbers look like during the last election? I'd be very interested to see a statistical analysis of donations per party correlated with expectations of that party winning.

So, it's all about the money and funding, eh?
Any talk about voting for something like education in evolution and creationism isn't important.
The geology case shows voting left or right often is I bet 90% all about FISCAL conservatism not SOCIAL conservatism isn't about social issues or gay marriage, that all takes a backseat to whatever party secures your paycheck.