Have you noticed? Did you hear the other shoe drop? (very very quietly, yes, but I'm sure I heard it...)
The present news cycle appears to not refer to Hillary Clinton. At all.....
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I've decided to respond to Ana, Larry, and others in a new post rather than in a comment. This is partly because it is easier and more reliable for me to post than to comment under the present conditions. Which in truth are not really conducive to any kind of writing, but here goes.
Ana, yes, I…
Updated to include polls through Oct 26th (AM, more polls later in the day on the 26th will be added at the next update):
Updated, 25 October AM
As I expected, and demonstrated much to the consternation of everyone, the ever widening double digit lead of Clinton over Trump in an increasing number…
I'm starting to become a little unnerved by the situation with the Democratic party. I'd like to lay out a couple of questions and arguments for discussion. I'm hoping very much that certain people will chime in on this. You know who you are (like, when you get my email asking you to chime in…
And, how did my model do?
There was a lot of talk about California, and a lot of back and forth, but in the end I stuck with my original model to predict the outcome of that race. See the table above for the results, but the bottom line is that I predicted that Clinton would get 57 percent of the…
I'm wondering if anyone would care to write an argument in favor of Obama? I've yet to see anything that would lead me to beleive is any different from anyone else, including McCain.
Joel: Obama is a) not a Republican, and b) not related by blood or marriage to any previous president.
If you can show me that Obama is a registered Republican, and his father or spouse was the president, I'll gladly apologize.
[Also, you're arguing from ignorance. Google is your friend. If you haven't seen anything, it's because you haven't looked.]
HP, That's it? That's the only reason Obama should be President? You are aware a few hunder million people have those qualifications, aren't you?
Joel, he's also willing to bring CHANGE! and will gladly imply that the change you want is precisely what he'll put into practice once he's elected.
Remember: the qualifications are for being elected, not for successfully managing the office.
Joel, you dodged the point to focus on a joke. If you want to know about Obama, go to Wikipedia or Google. No one's going to give you a lecture on his life story (except Obama. Both his books are very well written).
Colin, HP's statement was no joke, it's typical. I've RTFM, I haven't seen any difference between the candidates. Caledonian sums it up nicely...
One argument in favor of Obama is that he's willing to say there are problems. He says it even when it's not a popular message, despite Caledonian's insinuations to the contrary.
When you say you don't see any difference between the candidates, I'm torn between two conclusions. One, you're lying in an attempt to sway others. Two, you're too cynical for even our political process. Obama is not Clinton is not McCain.
One argument in favor of Obama is that he's willing to say there are problems.
Finally! A democrat has the spine it takes to say life isn't perfect. Leibniz never mastered that all his life.
I have heard both Hillary and McCain state there are problems, McCain has even described Bush's Iraq policy as failed.
One, you're lying in an attempt to sway others. Two, you're too cynical for even our political process. Obama is not Clinton is not McCain.
When you say that, I'm not torn between conclusions, there is only one. You cannot describe any differences between the candidate and you become critical of the person asking the question.
How about:
Clinton voted yes and Obama voted no on the bill authorizing the war in Iraq.
Clinton and Obama have somewhat different health care plans.
There are other differences. Joel, insisting that there is no difference and demanding that others prove you wrong is lazy and short sighted.
Obama and Clinton are not that different as they are both good Democrats. The two are different from the republicans in many ways.
To claim that there is no difference between the candidates is asinine. I'm willing to be generous and assume that Joel is simply attempting to use hyperbole to express dissatisfaction with our political system, but really, to claim that you cannot see any difference between McCain and Obama just makes you sound like a moron. Three words: gas tax holiday. That should be a fairly simple enough place to start: one supports the idea, the other opposes it. Then you can move on to considering the fact that one (however critical he may be regarding execution of the war) thought invading Iraq was good idea, one did not. Then try reflecting on the type of justices each candidate is likely to nominate. If you wish there were more significant differences, fine - I even agree - but try not to overstate your case so much that you appear to be a complete ignoramus.
Joel, you ignored the second part to my statement about being willing to talk about problems, which makes me lean toward dishonest. But hey, in the interest of all being friends together and asking simple questions with no agenda beyond discovering truth: if they're all the same, why not vote for Obama?
Elizabeth -
Obama has talked a lot about his having "opposed the war from the start", and so I understand your confusion (similar to that of those who believed that Iraq had something to do with 9/11), but he did not vote against the bill. He was not yet a Senator.