People are missing the importance of Trump's voter fraud claims

You know that Donald Trump has been claiming very clearly and precisely that he won both the electoral and popular vote, and that it only looks like he did not win the popular vote because of voter fraud, meaning, that a certain number of American citizens voted twice, or otherwise rigged the elections. In fact, he explicitly says that millions of Americans voted illegally, accounting for the >2 million popular vote margin that Secretary Clinton currently holds.

Messing with voting in this manner is a serious crime, perhaps often a felony.

What we have here is Donald Trump accusing a large number of his opponents of being criminals when he doesn't even have to. More recently, he asserted that American citizens who express their First Amendment constitutional rights should have their citizenship stripped, and should also be jailed.

Trump isn't even president yet, and he has made the assertion that he would prefer that a very large number of Americans who disagree with him politically should be jailed and/or their citizenship cancelled. He has previously said that many non-citizens should be rounded up. And once rounded up, shipped out of the country.

What happens if there is not a place to send such individuals? Or, if the government insists that people leave, but they don't have way to do so, or a place to go? Since they are no longer citizens, they can be detained. Where? Well, if there are a few of them, in jails. If there are a lot of them, perhaps work camps along the Mexican border, where they can be pressed into labor building The Yuge Wall. Or, concentration camps.

But a lot of people are going to be expressing their First Amendment rights, and disagreeing with Trump, if that happens. But if he, along with the Congress he will fully control -- because Republicans know nothing other than walking in goose step with their party -- gets his way, and laws are passed that strip citizenship from Americans who speak their mind, those concentration camps are going to start getting pretty full.

For that, a solution will have to be found.

This is not funny, people. It is extreme sounding, I'll give you that. Almost impossible to believe. It can't happen here. .

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The Tangerine Fascist has insisted there must be no recount of ballots; yet he also insisted balloting fraud has happened. Gosh, if he believed the latter why would he oppose the former?

By Desertphile (not verified) on 29 Nov 2016 #permalink

Yes, America is becoming Nazi Germany all over again. Only this time with high tech and nuclear weapons.

Sieg heil, my friends! Sieg heil!

By Brainstorms (not verified) on 29 Nov 2016 #permalink

Now that Donald Trump is in the final stages of his takeover of the Republican Party, often referred to by the acronym GOP, he will be officially renaming his party to something more pleasing and suitable to his agenda...

Henceforth, the former Republican Party will be known as the Nationalist Alt-right/Conservative Special Interests Party. The preferred way to reference it is with its acronym: The NACSI Party.

By Brainstorms (not verified) on 29 Nov 2016 #permalink

That was good brainstorms! Thanks!
When he sets his name to the Mickey Mouse Club Theme Song and calls it the Nacsional Anthem, we will know we are done.
"Who's the leader of the gang that's made for you and me?@
D-O-N-A-L-D-,,T-R-U-M-P!"

After January 20th, His Tangerine Holiness will prefer to be known as "Der Furor".

As in, "Don't get on his bad side, or you'll be in for more than just a Tweet Storm" from Herr Obertweetsturmführer...

By Brainstorms (not verified) on 29 Nov 2016 #permalink

I think all of us, Americans and other nations loose track and focus by overlooking the importance of non-discriminating love and of common sense. So much awful is happening on this planet, and all what we can do is fighting amongst ourselves about power and money, in the meanwhile forgetting that we all need each other to overcome the huge challenges of this era, like wars, terrorism, economic and financial crises, refugees, climate and planet change (watch the poles), and that it is urgent to address these problems as adequate as possible. What does nature require of us, to save this planet and life? Aren't we forgetting that we are all responsible and that each of us is accountable for his or her deeds? In times like these Matthew 25:31/46 31 could bring some enlightenment back in our brains and souls. “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
In short a life lesson of interrelated mutual respect and mutual safety and togetherness without any form of discrimination as described in the UN declaration of human rights and fundamental freedoms, (UN 10 December 1948). You don't need to be a believer, you may be atheist, agnostic, Buddhist, Muslim, Christian, catholic, protestant, or whatever, but there is one almighty question of nature and natural law, or Godly law, how do you behave, what do you do to improve life for and with all of us and for this planet? Laren NH, Tuesday 29 November 2016, 19:56 PM Dutch time.

By Gerrit Bogaers (not verified) on 29 Nov 2016 #permalink

Herr Obertweetsturmführer... his chief of staff, Rheinhold Richard (Dick) Priebus.... and their pit bull Alt-Right lover Stevie Bannon... Is there an evolutionary biologist in the audience? Please. This team is going to bluster around until they break something big and then, just like the last Reich, everybody in the world is ( assuming there is anybody left ) going to get on their case and give them a thorough beat down. Great.

Gerrit@7: Those are indeed wise words from the great rabbi Yeshua bin Yosef. Unfortunately, there is some context you may not be aware of because you live outside the US. There are many people in this country who call themselves Christians but who read the Bible quite selectively. The passage you quoted, like most of the text printed in red (at least in many English translations), is one of the passages they tend to ignore--perhaps they assume that because the words are printed in red, they must be erroneous. Or if they are aware of this passage, they assume without basis that they will be among the sheep, when the full context makes it quite clear that they are goats.

A quote which is often attributed to Gandhi but of dubious authenticity: "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."

By Eric Lund (not verified) on 29 Nov 2016 #permalink

After January 20th, His Tangerine Holiness will prefer to be known as “Der Furor“.

One of the nicknames I have seen for him on a political blog where I lurk is "Hair Furor".

By Eric Lund (not verified) on 29 Nov 2016 #permalink

Well trumpkin is correct. There has been voter fraud on a large scale...done by rePUKEians and it is called gerrymandering, making it hard to vote, voter ID restrictions, and voter intimidation! And the only voter caught voting twice was a rePUKEian voting for trumpkin!

Well, he's got to find something to do with all those FEMA camps

He'll rename them "Facilities for Exterminating Minorities and Abnormals". But first he needs to create his registries...

By Brainstorms (not verified) on 29 Nov 2016 #permalink

Trump has decided to rename & repurpose the Secret Service once he starts his new Reich.. er, administration. Starting January 20th, they will not just protect Der Furor and his family, but will be expanded to form the new "Protective Squadron" for his NACSI Party.

They shall henceforth be called the Waffen SS, and will be commanded by Reichsführer SS Stephen Bannon.

By Brainstorms (not verified) on 29 Nov 2016 #permalink

Forgot to mention the rationale for Trump's new name for the SS:

Waffen SS = the White/Alt-right Forces For the Empowerment of NACSIsm, Secret Services division.

By Brainstorms (not verified) on 30 Nov 2016 #permalink

From the grandson of a Jewish man who saw the dangers of Hitler in time to get himself and two sisters out of Vienna while the remaining friends and family mocked him for over reacting,. Out of that the grandson developed 3 principles for dealing with a Trump

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/217831/what-to-do-abo…

Below is just a summary of those points - do read the whole article (it's short)

1. Treat every poisoned word as a promise.
2. treat people like adults, which means respecting them enough to demand that they understand the consequences of their actions
3. Refuse to accept what’s going on as the new normal. Not now, not ever

Except for draining the swamp, protecting SS and Medicare, everything Trump said is something you can almost count on him to go forward with and then some

Freedom of speech is very big on his agenda - getting rid of it I mean, and the rest of the Rethuglicans will all be on board with that. With a 4 year term he will have the opportunity to replace up to 3 SCOTUS judges (unless the current elderly democrats manage to hang on.) If that happens it will be 7-2 and you can kiss goodbye to almost everything that they can twist to seem constitutional .

By Doug Alder (not verified) on 30 Nov 2016 #permalink

Doug, Trump promised to "drain the swamp", and he's already started to fulfill that promise...

...He's draining it into the White House.

By Brainstorms (not verified) on 30 Nov 2016 #permalink

I'm waiting for the yuuuge backlash against Trump's considering Petraeus for an appointment. After all, treating classified information as unimportant is a major problem, right? (Unless, of course, the reason for leaking it is to get a well-of middle-aged white guy laid by a "hot young woman": then, apparently, it's perfectly fine.)

IOKIYAR, duh. Remember, to become a card-carrying Republican, you must take the Hypocritical Oath...

If confirmed, shall we take to calling him, "Crooked Petraeus"? Shall we call his classified information leak, 'The greatest “national security problem” this country has ever faced'?

By Brainstorms (not verified) on 30 Nov 2016 #permalink

Brainstorms @17 I know - notice I said

"Except for draining the swamp, protecting SS and Medicare, everything Trump said is something you can almost count on him to go forward with and then some"

By Doug Alder (not verified) on 01 Dec 2016 #permalink

Brainstorms @17 - sorry too early in the am here and I misread your remark - right that's exactly what he's doing

By Doug Alder (not verified) on 01 Dec 2016 #permalink

Did you mean popular where you wrote electoral in the first sentence?

Steve, yes, and thanks for mentioning that. I actually rewrote more of that paragraph to be more explicit about what Trump claimed. Cheers.