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Thanks for the Skeptics' Circle plug. Always appreciated.
Since this is an open thread, I hope I won't be abusing PZ's hospitality too much if I take this opportunity to mention a problem I've been having. (PZ can certainly delete this if he thinks it's too far off base, of course.) I've been having big problems with the new ScienceBlogs blog since last night.
Movable Type won't let me publish new posts or rebuild the blog. Whenever I try to publish them, the application hangs. Attempts to rebuild the blog time out with an internal server error, as do any attempts to republish the posts and comments in question. Posts and comments show up in the control panel as "published," but do not show up on the blog. I have no idea what's wrong, but it seems like a database problem.
Believe it or not, I'm actually starting to miss Blogger.
I'll post an announcement on my old Blogspot blog when things are working again. In the meantime, I may publish what I had intended to publish there instead of on ScienceBlogs. Either that, or I'll wait until Monday or Tuesday, and bury the new blog in accumulated posts.
I'll also make sure that all comments appear where they belong, once things are fixed.
Sorry for the inconvenience, and sorry in advance to PZ if I've unduly abused his open thread.
Nomination for Ironic comment of the week:
Iowa State professor shunned over 'intelligent design'
How much Discovery Institute money, provided by religious groups, has Gonzalez taken?
Also, I am accepting submissions to the Circus of the Spineless, to be held on Science And Politics on February 28th.
My Favorite Short Story
If you've never read SEEDS by Sherwood Anderson, now may be the time:
He was a small man with a beard and was very nervous. I remember how the cords of his neck were drawn taut.
For years he had been trying to cure people of illness by the method called psychoanalysis. The idea was the passion of his life. "I came here because I am tired," he said dejectedly. "My body is not tired but something inside me is old and worn-out. I want joy. For a few days or weeks I would like to forget men and women and the influences that make them the sick things they are."
There is a note that comes into the human voice by which you may know real weariness. It comes when one has been trying with all his heart and soul to think his way along some difficult road of thought. Of a sudden he finds himself unable to go on. Something within him stops. A tiny explosion takes place. He bursts into words and talks, perhaps foolishly. Little side currents of his nature he didn't know were there run out and get themselves expressed. It is at such times that a man boasts, uses big words, makes a fool of himself in general.
And so it was the doctor became shrill. He jumped up from the steps where we had been sitting, talking and walked about. "You come from the West. You have kept away from people. You have preserved yourself--damn you! I haven't--" His voice had indeed become shrill. "I have entered into lives. I have gone beneath the surface of the lives of men and women. Women especially I have studied--our own women, here in America."
"You have loved them?" I suggested.
"Yes," he said. "Yes--you are right there. I have done that. It is the only way I can get at things. I have to try to love. You see how that is? It's the only way. Love must be the beginning of things with me."
Read the whole story HERE:
http://www.online-literature.com/sherwood-anderson/1474/
BBC 4 Radio Pointer. This weeks BBC Radio 4 "In Our Time" was on human Evolution. It's good stuff. You can listen to it via the BBC website:
If you're reading this after 24th February you'll need to use the archive to listen to it. You can also get it as a podcast via iTMS for a week at:
Ian
Missed a detail:
Intelligent design belongs to philosophy and religion not science
A few points off a well-intentioned letter to the editor.
PZ, I see that DaveScot's taken another potshot at you with his toy cork gun over at UnavailingDissent. He seems to think you've taken a step to the dark side with your digital electronics analogies. It must be tempting not to use such analogies since any time a serious biologist does so, the IDists wet themselves with excitement. Good for you for not bowing to such temptation.
PZ, I see that DaveScot's taken another potshot at you with his toy cork gun over at UnavailingDissent. He seems to think you've taken a step to the dark side with your digital electronics analogies. It must be tempting not to use such analogies since any time a serious biologist does so, the IDists wet themselves with excitement. Good for you for not bowing to such temptation.
Bible Guides Tour Museums to Counter Science
DaveScot is quite the fool. Suggesting that my ideas provide aid and comfort to Designists is like suggesting that Eric Davidson is also a fellow traveler of the Church of the Butt Propellor.
PZ, I see that DaveScot's taken another potshot at you with his toy cork gun over at UnavailingDissent. He seems to think you've taken a step to the dark side with your digital electronics analogies. It must be tempting not to use such analogies since any time a serious biologist does so, the IDists wet themselves with excitement. Good for you for not bowing to such temptation.
Re: Bible Guide Tours ...
Oh, just shoot me now!
PZ, I see that DaveScot's taken another potshot at you with his toy cork gun over at UnavailingDissent. He seems to think you've taken a step to the dark side with your digital electronics analogies. It must be tempting not to use such analogies since any time a serious biologist does so, the IDists wet themselves with excitement. Good for you for not bowing to such temptation.
Oops - sorry about the multiple posts - all I was getting was an HTTP 500 error, so I thought the post didn't get through. Please delete all dupes.
The phrase "dances with werewolves" comes up empty in a google search.
Just a note. As of right now, it appears that the links for "Skeptic's Circle" and "Carnival of the Godless" are linking to the same place.
Oops, that's not true. I was searching Google news, not the whole web.
It's not just in the U.S. -- Australians are complaining that their govenrment is toning down a major report of climate change and, in particular, left out their conclusions and recommendations.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/sensitive-material-cut-from-clim…
Researchers have developed a three-dimensional model that catches a virus in the act of infecting a host cell.
I was fascinated by a news article I saw about the above: "The researchers photographed about 15,000 frozen viruses and fed the images into a computer. The images were then used to construct a 3D-model based on common features." Imagine the delicate grabbing and balancing act required to maintain the 'docking' while the virus injects its rogue DNA into the victim bacterium.
Probably an FAQ (but I don't remember seeing the answer), but I gather that the ID-ists consider the bacteerial flagellum 'intelligently designed', yet the DNA injection apparatus of this virus looks just as complex to me. Do they say that it is 'intelligently designed' too? If so, what does that say about the designer? Why do they say the designer designed and implemented such nasties?
The Bible Guide Tour folks have nothing on this guy and his fascinating theology. Please tell me it's satire.
Better buy your white kids some brown baby dolls:
. . . new studies have found that by this agethree monthsmany babies start to prefer faces of people from their own race to those of another race. This early favoritism may represent the first glimmers of racial prejudice, psychologists say.
http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/060212_racefrm2.htm
But can any psychology folks here explain how you even detect racism in a 3 month old? The article states that the length of time a child looked at the image of a face indicates racial preference. Am I missing something, or does this seem not particularly convincing?
Chris, aliens == demons is a fairly common belief amongst fundamentalist Christians. The problem they have with aliens is that they aren't accounted for in the Bible. Since the only other sentient beings mentioned in the Bible are angels (and fallen angels) then "logically" any ET encounters must be with one of those.
It says much of their credulous nature that they would rather believe that these alien/demon encounters are real as opposed to simply saying that they didn't happen in the first place.
Apart from the sheer excitement that such a discovery would bring, should we detect an ETI signal, I would be fascinated to see what these fundies will make of it. I would bet a sizable amount that many will ditch the "demon" explanation for something a little more plausible (but equally as wrong).
"A few points off a well-intentioned letter to the editor."
Not a good letter. Later on: "In certain Scandinavian countries, the appendices of babies are intelligently removed sometime after birth to spare them the agony of appendicitis in later life."
Where do people get such nutty ideas? And it would probably be both harmful and unethical, I can't believe the risk of such an operation in outweighs the risk of appendicitis. (I can't find any data to conclude either way, though.) And possibly stupid, we know that the appendix plays a role in the immune system.
"Please delete all dupes."
You would like that, wouldn't you?
I'm wondering what folks are thinking of < ahref="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/books/review/19wieseltier.html?ex=1298005200&en=9ecb4016f9ff8682&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss">Leon Wieseltier's diatribe against Dennett's latest book?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/books/review/19wieseltier.html?ex=129…
there's a paleoclimatic datapoint that present climate understate the increase in temperatures as CO2 increases in concentration, balancing certain claims they overstate it.
it's just one datapoint, but disturbing if so.
as i wrote, i couldn't make out what he was saying. maybe that liberal arts college education wasn't worth it after all.
one of the significant problems i saw with Christianity, when i was nominally a Christian, was its problems with the idea of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. whether or not such life would be detectable or recognizable, a religion (or for that matter philosophy) which based its creed upon a visition by an aspect of a godhead to Our Green Planet for the purpose of saving us from Original Sin implied this Planet and this Species were singular and special.
options seemed: (a) we were special, or (b) the aspect of the godhead visited everywhere, or (c) few if anyone elsewhere was in need of salvation. well, "(a)" seems counter-Copernican. "(b)" seems a bit like Santa Claus. and if "(c)", being sinners makes us special and i really should join the Playboy Club.
i concluded that while a Christian hierarchy like Catholicism might make a valiant post factum attempt to adapt their theology to a confirmed contact with an offworld intelligence, such a transformation would not be accepted by all sects, would take a long time, and, if successful, would necessarily leave a theology markedly different from its present. it would, to me, confirm Christianity as a failed religion.
BTW, it's Mikolaj Kopernik's birthday.
BTW, anyone who wants to read Wieseltier's review of Dennett's "Breaking the Spell" can read it at the International Herald Tribune -- these days the NYT seems to be missing the spirit of the Web and has gone back to paid content -- how very 1997. Fortunately, the IHT reprints many NYT articles -- and with open access.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/17/arts/idlede18.php
My opinion of the review is mixed. While I'm always glad to see bogus Evolutionary Psychology arguments deflated, I'm not convinced that's Wieseltier's only motive.
BTW, before members of the cult of Dennett eviscerate Wieseltier under the assumption that he is some Discovery Institute mole, realize at least that he has written some good stuff attacking ID in the past.
no cult here. as said, i'd be happy to evaluate and appreciate Wieseltier if only i dug what he was saying.
And here I've gone and just posted a dismissive opinion of his review. I thought it was very poor -- he's indignant about something, all right, but he's so busy whining about materialism that he trips over his own transcendant shoelaces.
Oh, and I'm not a member of the cult of Dennett. I dislike Darwin's Dangerous Idea rather intensely.
Well, I think the key part of what Wieseltier is saying is the following:
Exactly the key problem with EP. Once you accept that human behavior is more complicated than mere instinct, it doesn't make much sense to talk about human behaviors like religions "evolving" in a biological sense. There is nothing particularly "biological" about, for example, the idea of religion. One could easily imagine an society of intelligent computers or robots inventing a religion -- as indeed many SF authors have. Yes, there is the pop-science idea of "memes", but they don't act at all like genes and only "evolve" metaphorically, and in a Lamarkian sense to boot.
"its problems with the idea of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe"
And think of the problems religions may have if we can communicate, however slowly and piecemeal, and those intellects have conceived religions totally different from our own anthropomorphic ideas!
I like to think of a succesful SETI as a much needed kick in some butts, my own probably included. (And a new playground for biologists and anthropologists.) Which is why such a small probability is still cherished.
One day left in the Great Backyard Bird Count.
On the other hand (re: EP), the psychosocial "modules" (units of selection from the behavioural perspective) used by religion might have gotten coopted from others. This seems to be the thesis of Pascal Boyer's book. (http://prime.gushi.org/~kd/Professional%20Web%20page/books/reli.html towards the bottom) I agree that determining the evolutionary origin of something is difficult, but perhaps one step at a time - first discuss "naturalistic" origins in general via convention psychology and sociology of religion and then slowly link to EP, etc. (Incindentally, the SofRel has been around as a field for well over a hundred years by now - begining with, say, Feuerbach's The Essence of Christianity, etc.)
Tweaking the design: Can we get pirate mode back?
"And think of the problems religions may have if we can communicate, however slowly and piecemeal, and those intellects have conceived religions totally different from our own anthropomorphic ideas!"
The problem is that they'd probably just conclude that the aliens were sinners and the religion demon worship or some such and completely ignore or become actively hostile when faced with any challenges to their own views.
Academic Freedom? or Tyranny of Faith?
The state where I was born is trying to offend me greatly, it seems. Here is the full text of a Senate Bill (SB1331) regarding community colleges and universities and the instruction they provide:
Ben Edwards would be proud. As s holder of a California Community College Credential, I am insulted that anyone would consider this.
I will leave it to you all to admire this work....
Actually this is a standard measure of interest/boredom, etc. Moving it to racism is likely in the discussion section of the paper. Keep the methods and results as those are data and likely solid. Take any inference from the discussion with some salt. (Or Mrs. Dash, as the case may be...!)
Eggs? EGGS???
You put eggs in the banners?
I'd 've thought dubloons and a sword or two.
Another Meyers sighting in The Minnesota Daily:
This Meyers fellow sounds like a bright guy. I should look him up.
If only you had put the Simpsonification link in here, then you could have had "Barting and Tweaking".
yeah, i want PIRATE MODE!
then again, i might get back to Drab Reality and mention the Discovery Institute's latest prank.
BTW, why do those institutionalized at the Discovery Institute care about things like the FCC's proposal to reform cable franchising? is that about science, too?
Grauniad reports on Creationism in the UK
Call for Intelligent Design coalition
It's written by a Pastafarian, and it's a spoof.
"The problem is that they'd probably just conclude that the aliens were sinners and the religion demon worship or some such and completely ignore or become actively hostile when faced with any challenges to their own views."
Yes, some would do that. But others may (have to) be as tolerant to those new religions as they are to the old they share this Earth with. And it may be much harder for them.
Jerry Bergman says: scientific study proves God is indeed creator
Pity he didn't have time to include a single shred of that evidence in his article.
I can't imagine what it would have consisted of. Well, I guess I can imagine but I agree; it would have been nice if he included his evidence.
I wish I had discovered this site sooner. I just finished "PZ Myers' Own Original, Cosmic, and Eccentric Analogy for How the Genome Works -OR- High Geekology". It had a different kind of feeling to it. Sure it talked about the danger of using an analogy to understand the genome but it wasn't the same as a recent post on the use of metaphors. It was fun. I think the change has to do with the "Bush Derangement Syndrome" prevalent here. I found the same thing on other older posts too. The one on digit development. (I can't find it now) I think he even had a light hearted jab at a IDer (as opposed to a voracious attack) if I'm not mistaken.
It's also a pity he didn't invest a small percentage of the time he allegedly spent investigating biology to study up on the historical, philosophical and moral underpinnings of Christianity.
What the USA will be like soon if the converged political/religious right has its way:
Pastors and prophecies call Uganda election
Follow the money, part A:
Dover ID bill: $1M
Follow the money, part II:
Public schools need open debate on intelligent design
$1000 for you, $1000000 for your school district. Hmmmm.
Now why would she compare ID to a religious issue?
Malene Arpe says: