Mobile, AL school system loses its mind

After just finishing my series on the last 100 years in astrophysics, I was surprised to read an article in Bust Magazine that seems like it ought to be from 100 years ago.

You see, 100 years ago, segregating boys and girls was commonplace in schools. Not only that, but girls took "girl classes" like home economics, while boys took "boy classes" like trigonometry. One would think that we're past that by now.

One would hope so.

But clearly, this isn't true everywhere. The Mobile, Alabama county school system went way over the line starting last fall (2008). From the ACLU's site:

Without notifying parents, the Mobile County School System segregated by sex the entire student body of Hankins Middle School by sex for the 2008-2009 school year. The policy went so far as to bar boys and girls from even speaking to each other in school hallways.

Now, that's bad enough. There were seven other schools in Mobile that had implemented gender segregation as well, all of them without even notifying the students' parents. But at this one school -- Hankins Middle School -- there was a step that went even farther over the line.

Under the sex-segregation program at Hankins Middle School this year, teachers had been instructed to treat boys and girls differently. At a teacher training, teachers were informed that boys should be taught about "heroic behavior" but that girls should learn "good character."

Segregating boys and girls and treating them differently? Doesn't that sound like, oh, I don't know, separate and unequal? Teaching only boys about heroic behavior, why? Is the impliction that girls can't be heroes? Teaching only girls about good character, why? Implicity, because boys shouldn't be expected to have good character?

But it gets worse. Check this tidbit out (emphasis is mine):

Teachers were told that male hormone levels directly relate to success at "traditional male tasks" but that when stress levels rise in an adolescent girl's brain, "other things shut down."

I can't even believe that somebody thought this in this day and age, much less implemented this as a school-wide policy. But how can people expect children to learn how to deal with one another when they aren't even given the opportunity to interact with the opposite gender? When they aren't even treated as mental equals to one another? When they aren't held to the same standards?

Now, before you get too outraged, the issue is already resolved. The ACLU fought this and won, overturning it, and causing all Mobile schools to reintegrate starting this fall. But there are, somehow, people pushing for these backwards-moving reforms. Remember what Thomas Jefferson said, "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." Don't let people get away with things like this. Don't let important things like this slide. It's your freedom, it's your life, and (regardless of your politics) it's your country, too. Treat it with the high value it deserves.


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"Teaching only boys about heroic behavior, why? Is the impliction that girls can't be heroes? Teaching only girls about good character, why? Implicity, because boys shouldn't be expected to have good character? "

Why not use the same terminology for each side?

Girls can't be heroic? Boys can't have good character?


Girls shouldn't be expected to be heroic? Boys shouldn' be expected to have good character.

I'm surprised to hear about this. Mobile, AL, is within an hour's drive of Pensacola, FL, where I live. In fact, most of our local news channels originate in Mobile (not that I watch them). However, this is the first I'm hearing about gender segregation of any kind. Very weird.

Thanks for informing!


I didn't use the same terminology because I don't think the implications are the same.

In teaching boys "heroic behavior", they're holding boys to a very high standard. Why? Because most people aren't heroes. But they're teaching them the importance and value of being heroes. In not teaching girls that, the obvious implication -- at least to me -- is that girls are not suited to being heroes. And that's why I said "can't".

In teaching girls "good character", that isn't a very high standard. This isn't "average character" or "decent character", but it also isn't "heroic character". And it isn't something that boys are taught either. So it isn't that boys can't have good character, but it isn't something that's valued enough for them to teach it.

So yes, I have treated the two cases unequally, because I think the phrasing that the school system used held the different genders to different standards. I'm sorry that I didn't make that clearer in my initial article.

I think Ethan is right to phase the two differently. The main problem I have with those kind of things is that by kind of assuming guys are better than girls they put a value judgement on different behaviours: in this case the assumption made is that it is better to be 'herioc' than 'good'.

God knows why. I would have thought it was the other way round myself.

If only those damned females would just do as they're told. The muslims have it good - if they don't obey you can beat them and if they still don't obey and die from the beatings that's their problem.

Yup, about 100 years after womens' suffrage and some people just can't deal with the gals being able to choose what they do. Mobile is one of those places like Waco that make it to the news every few years and it's never good news. Speaking of Waco, it's been a few years since it's been on TV.

By MadScientist (not verified) on 29 Jul 2009 #permalink

I'd just like to point out that "good character" doesn't mean how to be a decent human being, it means being an obedient Barbie doll. How to treat your husband so he doesn't run away or beat you, how to act like a Lady rather than a Whore, hoe to entertain your man's guests, etc. You should pick up a girls' training manual from, oh, maybe 1930 to see what I mean. A friend showed me such a manual from Australia published in 1968 and I thought it was even worse than my grandma's manual from ~1930. (Then again that could simply be some bias since I hadn't seen my grandma's manual since my early teens.)

By MadScientist (not verified) on 29 Jul 2009 #permalink

Sex segregated private schools are quite common here in the UK. I went to one. They don't have to be sexist like this one clearly is, though.

LanguageLog's Mark Liberman has done a lot posts tearing into the bad science behind the non-coëd movement.

I'm not convinced that separating the sexes and using different paedagogies for them is a bad idea, but I'd like to see some proper research.

Teaching them completely different subjects like this, though, is bigotted madness.

Sili, the sexes may very well benefit from different pedagogies, but this is still overgeneralizing. You'd be much better off segregating individuals based on their abilities and learning styles. Using gender as the sole means of determining aptitude remains ridiculous. It wouldn't matter what the research says, as the result is still a generalization applicable only to a population as a whole.

I wonder how far one would have to dig to find some good Christian motives behind all this.

By the backpacker (not verified) on 30 Jul 2009 #permalink

Funny, I live in Mobile and totally forgot about that! Yes, the news IS rather biased here, how did you know? I guess I thought it was resolved right away, didn't realize they were STILL doing it. I mean, HELLLLOOO, haven't we learned our lesson Alabama?

Or maybe I forgot because there's so many more nonsensical government decisions and actions. It's like, as far as Alabama is concerned, there is only one Constitutional Amendment, Right to Bear Arms Y'all. Every day a gunshot death is reported. Yet City insists on 'Police Checkpoints' to 'check license, insurance etc. & get the drunks off the road' with hardly any drunk driving fatalities. What happened to My pursuit of Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness? My Right to be free from search & seizure without probably cause?

Yes, my friends, it truly is like a different country here (I'm from Detroit, so I can see there's a difference). But hey, the beach is real pretty and they have one great radio station.

Oh, the school issue? I'd be curious on other states and their schools. Seems like here, from middle middle class on up, everyone sends their kids to private schools, while public schools are closing for lack of money. Wasn't like that where I grew up.

Thanks for letting me vent.

& to prove the news bit, headline after this one today 'Black Deaf & Disabled Man tasered & peppersprayed by Mobile Police'
followed by
'15 year old girl shot to death by friend.'

LA Girl,

I'm sorry that there's so much that makes you unhappy about where you live. All I had heard of in the way of recent absurdity down there was this, which goes right in line with your complaint about wasted resources.

Still, I know some wonderful people who've come out of Mobile, AL!